Luke 6: WHY Would Jesus Heal on the Sabbath??? Rabbi Michael Skobac - 1811

[@marscano222]

The interpretation that Deuteronomy 23:25 applies to anyone, rather than specifically to workers, comes from the broader context and intent of the Mosaic Law, which includes provisions for the welfare of the community and the care of the needy. Here are some key points supporting this interpretation: 1. Context of the Law: The Mosaic Law contains several provisions that explicitly care for the poor, the traveler, and those in need. For instance, Leviticus 19:9-10 and Deuteronomy 24:19-21 instruct landowners to leave the corners of their fields unharvested and to leave behind gleanings for the poor and the sojourner. This demonstrates a general principle of allowing those in need to gather food from others’ fields. 2. No Mention of Workers: Deuteronomy 23:25 does not specify that the permission to pluck grain is limited to workers. The language used is general and does not restrict the act to a specific group of people. 3. Parallels with Other Laws: Other laws in the Mosaic code, such as the one found in Leviticus 19:9-10, are clearly aimed at providing for the poor and the stranger, indicating that the community’s resources were to be shared with those in need. 4. Cultural and Historical Interpretation: Historical and rabbinic interpretations often view this provision as part of the broader social safety net. Jewish tradition has long held that these laws were designed to ensure that no one went hungry, including travelers and those not employed in the field. In summary, the general and inclusive language of the law, combined with the broader context of similar provisions in the Mosaic Law, supports the interpretation that Deuteronomy 23:25 was intended to allow anyone in need, not just workers, to pluck grain by hand to satisfy their hunger.

[@beardedbrave4950]

After 1,000 of them were mercilessly killed by a bunch of pagan idolaters, the Maccabees figured it would be best to defend themselves on Shabbos. However, they didn't go out and start any battles on Shabbos. If the fight was brought to them on Shabbos, then they'd fight. But if there was no fight being brought to them on Shabbos, the Maccabees rested on Shabbos. Sometimes you have to aid your fellow man on Shabbos, especially if that fellow man is a fellow Jew. Breaking a mitzvah to keep other mitzvot.

[@ruth4019]

Healing is not “work”. It is not forbidden on the Sabbath.Jesus Christ healing the sick on the Sabbath was to remind people of why God instituted the Sabbath day of rest. The Sabbath was meant to benefit people as much as to glorify God.The Sabbath helped people recuperate mentally and physically after a week of work and redirect their focus from the daily routine to God. Jesus Christ's healing on the Sabbath was therefore very much compatible with God’s purpose for the Sabbath.

[@Yehonatan613]

These are seriously underrated

[@User-x5s3x]

​​​@Raizel613: ????!! Remember what we discussed! You're NOT helping yourself to heal!! If this is the path you've chosen, that is your right. Janis Hart, from my phone.

[@User-x5s3x]

​@Raizel613: I will continue to remember you and your family in my prayers. Janis

[@User-x5s3x]

​@Raizel613: Thank you, Raizel. I only want to help you.

[@miriamlevinson185]

Excellent presentation! Loved the cross-references to the Talmud as well as the halachic analyses.

[@ruth4019]

Healing is not “work”. It is not forbidden on the Sabbath.Jesus Christ healing the sick on the Sabbath was to remind people of why God instituted the Sabbath day of rest. The Sabbath was meant to benefit people as much as to glorify God.The Sabbath helped people recuperate mentally and physically after a week of work and redirect their focus from the daily routine to God. Jesus Christ's healing on the Sabbath was therefore very much compatible with God’s purpose for the Sabbath.

[@RightOnBro72]

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[@achildofthelight4725]

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[@MohitDass-jt4ue]

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[@covenant157]

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[@avnerstein4776]

Thankfully there are many Christian supportive of Israel (45:50), but Rabbi Tovia Singer has noted that all the Church fathers saw the Jews as enemies of God (in his video _Did Jews Deliberately Hide Isaiah 53, Daniel & Zechariah?)._

[@johnruby1363]

Rabbi Tovia is wrong! The vast majority of supporters for Jews and Israel are Christians. If ALL the church fathers were against Jews, then there would be zero supporters. Yes, the early Catholics were against the Jews, though we need to understand why? Try to understand the historical grievances. The "Mamilla Pools" massacre is one example.

[@gregblair5139]

There is no prohibition on "healing" as such on Shabbat. Various methods of healing might ordinarily be against the laws of the Sabbath. However, healing takes precedence, even over shabbat!

[@algabba]

32:00 💯!

[@sendiesel23]

If a Jew worshipped an idol to save his life, couldn't he then later repent and ask for forgiveness? Or is that sin unforgivable?

[@demonking86420]

I think that's forgivable, since that violates the 2nd commandment(You shall not take other gods before me, idols, graven images) and the unforgivable sin is the 3rd commandment(You shall not take the name of your Lord Adonai in vain)

[@RachamPerez358]

Deuteronomy 23:26 When you enter another man’s field of standing grain, you may pluck ears with your hand; but you must not put a sickle to your neighbor’s grain. Deut 23:25 When you enter another man’s vineyard, you may eat as many grapes as you want, until you are full, but you must not put any in your vessel. The Torah is clear that plucking grain to eat while walking and not loading vessels or using sickles is not harvesting but rather a mercy Hashem bestows on his children. The Talmud confirms a passerby is not a laborer. Talmud Bava Metzia 92a “Isi ben Yehuda says that with regard to the verse: “When you come into your neighbor’s vineyard then you may eat grapes until you have enough at your own pleasure” (Deuteronomy 23:25), the verse is speaking of the entry of any person who passes alongside a vineyard, not only a laborer.”

[@lisamarie6611]

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[@houseofmagna2365]

Sabath for people or people for Sabath?

[@peruvathoma]

What happens if a lady goes into labor on a Sabbath day?

[@miriamlevinson185]

There would be no prohibition for getting to the hospital right away, if that was the plan.

[@mikieemiike3979]

She can't. She needs to hold it. If she crosses her legs this can be achieved for typically 1-20 hours unless she drank too much water. In that case, she can momentarily uncross her legs and cross her fingers. 😂

[@User-x5s3x]

@@mikieemiike3979 Hahaha!! Good one!!

[@sulongenjop7436]

The lady committed sin if she laboured on Sabbath!😂

[@peruvathoma]

@@miriamlevinson185 That's assuming the hospital staff are working on the Sabbath. So doing good work is allowed. What then is wrong about Jesus healing a sick man on a Sabbath day?

[@GetSaltySalt]

There are enough misrepresentations in the New Testament However you seem to have made an error here there were men with David in 1 Samuel 21

[@ruth4019]

I Samuel 21 doesn't say that Ahimelech was High Priest. It says that Ahimelech was just a Priest.Jesus Christ didn't say that the High Priest gave King David shewbread to eat.He said that this incident happened during the time when Abhiathar was the High Priest.

[@ruth4019]

I Samuel 21 doesn't say that Ahimelech was High Priest. It says that Ahimelech was just a Priest.Jesus Christ didn't say that the High Priest gave King David shewbread to eat.He said that this incident happened during the time when Abhiathar was the High Priest.

[@ericericgoodwin8147]

If the ox is stuck in the mudd it has to come out..... Sabbath or not... if you loose your livelihood. Over your foolishness... they'll be no more Sabbath s for you to worship..... taking your beliefs to the extreme isn't profound or glirious.glorious.. its pure stupidity..........

[@louishaywood4999]

The Mark version say Abiathar was high priest. 1 Sam 21 say Ahimelech was high priest. This is a serious contradiction proving the new book was not inspired by the “holy spirit” but rather a ver confused spirit.

[@ruth4019]

I Samuel 21 doesn't say that Ahimelech was High Priest. It says that Ahimelech was just a Priest.Jesus Christ didn't say that the High Priest gave King David shewbread to eat.He said that this incident happened during the time when Abhiathar was the High Priest.

[@louishaywood4999]

@@ruth4019 really? Abiathar was the son of Ahimelech (1 Sam 22) who was killed by Saul after the incident with David. He only became high priest after the death of Ahimelech

[@ruth4019]

@@louishaywood4999 YES, REALLY. Nowhere in 1 Samuel 22 it is written that Ahimelech was the high priest. It's written "Ahimelech the priest" means Ahimelech was not the high priest but just a priest. 1 Samuel 22:11 King James Version " Then the king sent to call Ahimelech the priest, the son of Ahitub, and all his father's house, the priests that were in Nob: and they came all of them to the king." Here it says that Abhiathar was Ahimelech's father. 2 Samuel 8:17 King James Version "And Zadok the son of Ahitub, and Ahimelech the son of Abiathar, were the priests; and Seraiah was the scribe;" I Chronicles 18:16 King James Version "And Zadok the son of Ahitub and Abimelech the son of Abiathar were priests, and Shavsha was secretary." One possibility is that Jesus Christ is referring to a different person since he says ‘high priest’ in Mark 2:26, but it does not say “high priest” in 1 Sam. 21 & 1 Samuel 22 as well. Surely, as they were priestly family Abhiathar who was Ahimelech's father must be serving in the tabernacle as the high priest and Jesus Christ refered to him, Abhiathar the father and not Abhiathar the son,otherwise this is a serious contradiction proving the old book was not inspired by the "holy spirit" but rather a very confused spirit.

[@ruth4019]

@@louishaywood4999 @louishaywood4999 YES, REALLY. Nowhere in 1 Samuel 22 it is written that Ahimelech was the high priest. It's written "Ahimelech the priest" means Ahimelech was not the high priest but just a priest. 1 Samuel 22:11 King James Version " Then the king sent to call Ahimelech the priest, the son of Ahitub, and all his father's house, the priests that were in Nob: and they came all of them to the king." Here it says that Abhiathar was Ahimelech's father. 2 Samuel 8:17 King James Version "And Zadok the son of Ahitub, and Ahimelech the son of Abiathar, were the priests; and Seraiah was the scribe;" I Chronicles 18:16 King James Version "And Zadok the son of Ahitub and Abimelech the son of Abiathar were priests, and Shavsha was secretary." One possibility is that Jesus Christ is referring to a different person since he says ‘high priest’ in Mark 2:26, but it does not say “high priest” in 1 Sam. 21 & 1 Samuel 22 as well. Surely, as they were priestly family Abhiathar who was Ahimelech's father must be serving in the tabernacle as the high priest and Jesus Christ refered to him, Abhiathar the father and not Abhiathar the son,otherwise this is a serious contradiction proving the old book was not inspired by the "holy spirit" but rather a very confused spirit.

[@ruth4019]

@@louishaywood4999 I mentioned earlier that one Abiathar is Ahimelech's father and another Abiathar is Ahimelech's son in the Old Testament. Jesus Christ must be referring to the high priest Abiathar who was the father, or perhaps your hypocrite rabbis altered the text to make it seem like Jesus Christ misquoted the story of 'King David eating shewbread on the Sabbath'.

[@sulongenjop7436]

God would be silly to deny healing on Sabbath!

[@joecheffo5942]

But why isn't it all silly then? If people can just break the commandments what is the point? Anyway, God seems to deny healing all the time. Millions, maybe billions are denied every single day, not just saturday. So a few people thousands of years ago can get healed but billions of sick people today can't? There are no valid cases of people being healed in modern times. If Jesus is alive the Supreme being, why is he not helping us today?

[@menmustchangebeforekingdoms]

@@joecheffo5942- "why is He not helping us today ?"..It is Written: "And he did not many mighty works there BECAUSE OF THEIR UNBELIEF" (Matthew 13:58). Despite what you "believe", God is RIGHTEOUS, and 'Righteousness" cannot FORCE anything on anybody. This is why Jesus, who ALREADY KNEW that the blind man wanted his 'sight" back, STILL ASKED HIM, "what do you want me to do for you" ? (Matthew 20:32-34). Jesus said that "All things are possible WITH God", meaning WE must be in AGREEMENT WITH HIM.

[@joecheffo5942]

@@menmustchangebeforekingdoms Believers get sick and unbelievers can get better. There is no correlation. And how do you know what Jesus said? I am not trying to argue with you, my friend. That was thousands of years ago, and Jesus didn’t write anything himself in the gospels were decades later.

[@NatanKohen-b3k]

Why you don't ask yourself: why we ended up in a concentration camp!

[@Michael-Martell]

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[@shirleyannelindberg1692]

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[@Michael-Martell]

@@shirleyannelindberg1692 I have a membership.

[@miriamlevinson185]

The live show was on Monday morning. This is a re-run.

[@ruth4019]

Healing is not “work”. It is not forbidden on the Sabbath.Jesus Christ healing the sick on the Sabbath was to remind people of why God instituted the Sabbath day of rest. The Sabbath was meant to benefit people as much as to glorify God.The Sabbath helped people recuperate mentally and physically after a week of work and redirect their focus from the daily routine to God. Jesus Christ's healing on the Sabbath was therefore very much compatible with God’s purpose for the Sabbath.

[@menmustchangebeforekingdoms]

@ruth4019 - Amen !! Well Spoken sister. I would just add that the Sabbath is NOT about "NOT doing work", it is about realizing that God has ALREADY DONE ALL THE WORK. Adam & Eve entered the Garden on the "Day of Rest', AFTER GOD had done ALL THE WORK. And Jesus has ALREADY done ALL THE WORK regarding the New Covenant and for our "spiritual" lives, "It is FINISHED". (John 19:30). Even God in Ezekiel 36 & Jeremiah 31 reveals that the New Covenant is 100% HIS WORK & 0% "mans' work.

[@RachamPerez358]

Maybe Rabbi forgot that an average Ox weighs up to 4,000 pounds. And the animal had to be helped out of a ditch on Shabbat. How many jews with no power equipment did it take to bring up those oxen? Many, and it is a Mitvah! A nursing cow, goat, sheep who had her calf slaughtered had to be milked on Shabbat and not left in pain of lactation. It is a mercy. How much more a child of God suffering on the Sabbath in a physical burden?

[@pilipinostorytv7960]

How about the man gathering fire woods on shabbat to cooke meal for his family why moses and hashem punish Him,@@RachamPerez358

[@lisamarie6611]

Hashem says yet Shuva matters,

[@andrewmays3988]

There is no evidence that the Hebrew TANACH or Greek New Testament contains the inspired words of the proverbial God of Abraham. Furthermore, it's absurd to allege that the Creator of our universe would have designated any one group of human beings as "chosen." So, it looks like it's up to the 'living' to figure out how to live peacefully and harmoniously with one another.😇

[@KjB-t3p]

Chosen for a specific mission..to bring in knowledge of the 1 God, commandments, laws to live by , to write it down (the bible) so all could know it. Not chosen to exclude, but to include all Earth's inhabitants in upliftment by its ordinances 🌿🌼🍷🌠

[@dc3303]

What is being teach here is religion, man made rules that are not in the bible.

[@menmustchangebeforekingdoms]

Rabbi Michael said, "Jesus SEEMS to accept the fact that what his students were doing was problematic". Not so, Jesus CLEARLY said, "The Sabbath was made for man, and NOT man for the sabbath: therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath". (Mark 2:27,28).Another CLEAR example of the "Letter" of the Law, (which is dead), being brought to Life by the Spirit, who is the ONLY ONE who can 'interpret" God's Word, and which is the ONLY WAY that 'YOU" can "understand" the Words of God. Jesus is CLEAR, He said, "It is Lawful to do GOOD and NOT EVIL on the Sabbath Day". What don't you understand about that ? It is the same with the NEW REVELATION that Jesus brought regarding "Adultery", which does NOT "contradict" the 10 Commandments, but is only an "extension" of understanding the "root" cause of "Adultery", that it starts and is "consummated" in the "HEART", NOT in the "physical" act, because the real "YOU" is the "spirit", NOT the "body", which is only the "house" you live in.

[@torahlove7693]

If Shabbos is merely a day that it is prohibited to do evil, that does not tell us much, since doing evil is prohibited everyday. That doing evil is prohibited on Shabbos, does not tell us anything unique about Shabbos from any other day. The fact that it is prohibited to do evil any day, means the acts that are prohibited on Shabbos are not evil, but can be good to do on a different day of the week, which means there are things that are good to do but not good to do on Shabbos. There are some good things that are not to be done on Shabbos. The New Testament is not the standard to rely on. The Torah is the standard. If there is a question, Deut 17 says to follow the judges, they have transmitted to us what G-d says is prohibited or not on Shabbos. NT Jesus was not a judge of Israel, he has no authority to act against the rulings of the court. NT Jesus violates Torah and tells others to violate Torah. Such as telling men it is ok to choose to not fulfill the mitzvah of be fruitful and multiply

[@covenant157]

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[@mirib5007]

Do you recommend tearing pieces of toilet paper Before Shabbat?

[@User-x5s3x]

Yes, all Orthodox Jews prepare amounts of toilet paper well before Shabbat, so as to not violate the Shabbat by 'tearing', which is prohibited on that day, and also for the other holy days mentioned in the Hebrew scriptures.

[@peruvathoma]

@@User-x5s3x How about having labor pain on a Sabbath day?

[@ruthgreen2014]

I have to ask...how does keeping the Shabbot prohibition of "tearing with intent to reconnect" (tearing fabric with intent to sew it) have to to with personal hygiene?

[@miriamlevinson185]

@@ruthgreen2014 It has nothing to do with personal hygiene. The prohibition is tearing for a creative purpose, to make it into something useful, versus tearing to destroy. Many people just use tissues.

[@ruthgreen2014]

​@@miriamlevinson185not to be crude but tp is for personal hygiene and I hope not to be used for anything else after.

[@nikopaschali]

Deuteronomy 23 ALLOWS one to pick on the sabbath to eat from ….not to put a sickle so as to benefit financially to sell or harvest.

[@MichaelSkobac]

That passage, which I quote in the video, is not discussing the Sabbath day.

[@nikopaschali]

@@MichaelSkobac The passage in Deuteronomy isn’t even specifying which day…..

[@RightOnBro72]

@@nikopaschali, this seems to be more of just a reversal of Leviticus 19:9 & 23:22, which says not to reap the corners of your field. Therefore, the poor are provided for (like Ruth when she was seeking someone to marry, and picked grain in Boaz's field.) This has nothing to do with the Sabbath, a day upon which a devout Jew would not even do this.

[@RightOnBro72]

@@MichaelSkobac, ​​⁠ I cannot find anything in the Talmud's Yoma 85b which says anything like "the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath." Can you please explain this? As I have mentioned for Mark 2 and Matthew 12, Yoma 85b mentions the words of Exodus 31:13-14 & 16 as justifications that "Shabbat is given into your hands, and you are not given to it to die on account of Shabbat," but Jesus' followers were not about to die. Again, I have to totally disagree with Rabbi Yonatan, Rabbi Yehuda, and others in Yoma 85b, as they completely skip the end of verse 14 as well as all of verse 15 which states, "Whoever does any work [מְלָאכָה] on the Sabbath day shall be put to death." (Nobody, especially Jesus, seems to bring up the case where God told Moses, Aaron & the "all the congregation" to put to death the guy who simply gathered sticks on the Sabbath. [see Numbers 15:32-36] Was that melakah, or was it avodah?) While I believe in forgiveness & that "God will forgive" is a common statement I hear Orthodox Jews saying when I see them violating the commandments, it seems clear that just like with Christians eating pork & other un-kosher food & ignoring the commanded feasts (as well as distorting them to be ceremonies like Communion designed to worship himself,) Jesus is totally encouraging his followers to violate the commandment not to work on the Sabbath, and is therefore doing exactly what he said he would not do -- i.e. "abolish" the commandments. Just because a group of Rabbis writing the Talmud between 450 and 550 CE used the same manner of left-wing thought as Jesus does not mean it is consistent with the Torah as commanded by God & written by Moses. The Talmud is supposed to be a "study," and sometimes, important issues are danced around & totally missed. My main question is, should we be obeying the "Oral Torah" if it violates the clear message of the literal Torah? (I still remember the scene in "Schindler's List" when Itzhak Perlman eats an egg on the Sabbath, because it's the only food he can be sure is kosher. Why didn't he just say he didn't want to die, and eat lots of un-clean food & then tell everyone to get back to work? This is certainly the ideology Jesus seems to be encouraging. Plus, he goes one step further in claiming either himself, or all of Christianity to be "Lord of the Sabbath." Notice that Jesus isn't dealing with whether we should or shouldn't have a blue stripe in our garments, nor is he debating whether a yarmulke should be worn in the synagogue -- he goes straight for the Sabbath, destroys God's commandment for a writ of divorcement, and even encourages men to make themselves eunuchs, in violation of Deuteronomy 23:1/23:2 in a Jewish Bible.) This raises a simple question that I would ask to all the Rabbis -- are we supposed to obey the Rabbis, or are we supposed to obey God? I think this is the TRUE test of the Christian Bible, and I think both Jews & Gentiles have been failing at it. Jesus also destroys the first of the 10 Commandments ("You shall have no other gods before me,") a total blasphemy, which when combined with the Book of John is a direct attack on Judaism. I am very glad that around the 32:20 mark, you mentioned the fact that whoever wrote the gospels is constantly being Anti-Judasim & Anti-Semitic. Please keep up the great work, and I really hope you dive deeper into the real motivations behind all this.

[@mirib5007]

YHVH wouldn’t withhold healing in Shabbat, never mind what’s “rabbinically” correct or what the Pharisees say Can you go for a walk on Shabbat? Were they outside the eruv?So, a few kernels of corn were picked. Can you pick a flower on Shabbat? This hairsplitting drives me crazy.

[@hrvatskinoahid1048]

The commandments are meaningless abstractions without specific details.

[@User-x5s3x]

Your 'feelings' about how God commanded us to live, are totally irrelevant! We don't live by our 'feelings' but by OBEYING God's words to us!

[@miriamlevinson185]

And yet the Christian bible mentions "a Sabbath day's journey" (Acts 1:12).

[@menmustchangebeforekingdoms]

@@hrvatskinoahid1048 You are correct and that Is Why Jesus came to REVEAL THOSE DETAILS. For example, "Adultery" is NOT the "physical" Act of being unfaithful outside of Marriage, but 'Adultery" is "birthed" & "consummated" IN THE HEART without even committing the "physical" Act.

[@menmustchangebeforekingdoms]

HYPOCRITES ALL !! Jesus said, "If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath Day, so that the Law of Moses should not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made a man COMPLETELY WELL on the Sabbath Day ??. Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." (John 7:23,24).

[@joecheffo5942]

You say Jesus said, but he never wrote anything and nothing was written contemporaneously. All four gospels have him saying four different things before he died. Which one did he say? Which ones did he not say? These gospels were written decades later, John maybe 50 years. How can you say "Jesus said" as if we really know? Now according to NT scholar Bart Ehrman he thinks some things he probably said, some he probably didn't, using historical science. I don't think we even were able to piece together any full gospel till hundreds of years later, at least 150 from what I understand.

[@menmustchangebeforekingdoms]

@@joecheffo5942 - #1. Jesus said ALL OF THOSE THINGS before he died and they were ALL A FULFILLMENT of Scriptures in the Old Testament, look them up. #2. If you have repented and received the SINLESS Blood of Jesus the Christ for the remission of your sins, and have received the free gift of the Holy Spirit, then you can "KNOW" that Jesus said ALL of those things because NOW you have the "Witness of God" LIVING ON THE INSIDE OF YOU. #3. Jesus never wrote anything because He said, "If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true." (John 5:31) Also, the scriptures say, "Let another man praise thee, and NOT THINE OWN MOUTH; a stranger, and NOT THINE OWN LIPS." (Proverbs 27;2) So Jesus had to FULFILL ALL SCRIPTURES. God said in Deuteronomy 19:15 that "at the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses" every mater shall be established. That is why we have the 4 Gospels bearing witness of Jesus, Matthew & John being the ones who walked with Jesus. This is the WHOLE PURPOSE of the New Covenant, God LIVING ON THE INSIDE OF YOU, being your TEACHER, NOT "man". (Ezekiel 36:26,27) (Jeremiah 31:32-34) (John 16:13) (1st John 2:27)

[@davidjanbaz7728]

​@@joecheffo5942HIS Apostles of three years could remember what he Said: you're silly if you can't remember what you were told in your youth.

[@joecheffo5942]

@@davidjanbaz7728 The gospels were written in Greek. It was unlikely the apostles knew Greek. Thats why its thought the gospels were writren later by other people. So they were probably second or third hand or more. If they were now wriiten by Roman Christians thats a different perspective than the original apostles. They were also subject to copying errors and a few intentional changes over the next few hundred years. I dont think its all wrong, but its not perfect. Does Jesus say “there will be a perfect book about me”?

[@menmustchangebeforekingdoms]

@@joecheffo5942 -Of a matter of fact, Jesus did say that... "Heaven and Earth shall pass away, BUT MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY." (Matthew 24:35)

[@XRay-T50]

JESUS IS GOD 👑✝️🕊️

[@thetruth871]

Jesus is God and He is the Lord of the Sabbath, and the Apostles obeyed Him because they new who he was. and they new that they would not sin, because of it.

[@NatanKohen-b3k]

@@thetruth871 yes! Sabbath, is by Him and For Him, this is the qualification of Absolute (God)! As well as His Creation! We, the soul, parte and parcel, are ment to serve the whole!

[@Growmetheus]

Uhhhhhh no, he was saying dont put physical *necessity* AFTER the Law because the Law is there as it says in Deut, "to give you life, so choose life." Jesus is not God, you have to be thoroughly explosively unfamiliar with the Scriptures to think that. Jesus would vomit at your idolatry

[@thetruth871]

@@GrowmetheusGalatians 2:20 - I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

[@E.K.2424]

Psa 107:20 He sent his word, and >> healed them,

[@Darisiabgal7573]

Who has ascended and descended from, who’d controlled the four winds. Technically speaking that would be Adapa, the first abgal of Enki. Moreover the namesake for which the story of Ioannes is named after Oannes. His title. If we want to preach from the Scriptures, take note there are far older scriptures out there.

[@E.K.2424]

@@Darisiabgal7573 It is not so much about the writings or their age ,but their authors....

[@User-x5s3x]

You need to realize, research, and accept, that NOWHERE did God ever mention the "Jesus" character to us, NOWHERE did He tell us that we need to be "saved", and NOWHERE did He tell us that He requires HUMAN BLOOD (a purely pagan ritual that God ABHORS!!) as atonement for our sins. NO FURTHER SCRIPTURES were given to mankind by God AFTER Mt. Sinai, therefore, Christianity absolutely did NOT come from God! PLEASE buy a Hebrew Bible (says "Stone Edition TANACH" on the cover), and Rabbi Tovia Singer's books, as well as Rabbi Stuart Federow's book "Judaism and Christianity: A Contrast", to help you understand why Christianity absolutely did NOT come from God.

[@User-x5s3x]

​@@Darisiabgal7573: The ENTIRETY of the Hebrew scriptures were given to Moses at Mt. Sinai. ANY OTHER teachings are totally irrelevant and blasphemous, and are absolutely NOT what God said to us!

[@E.K.2424]

@@User-x5s3x The last, that the Great Moses said: Deu 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a > Prophet < from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. Deu 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto > my words < which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him Jos 1:1 Now after the death of Moses the servant of the LORD it came to pass, that the LORD spake unto Joshua / Yahoshua the son of Nun, This Yahoshua claims this prophesy is fulfilled in Him : Jhn 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? > the words < that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Jhn 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

[@menmustchangebeforekingdoms]

BLIND GUIDES who only know the "Letter" of the Law, but NOT the "Spirit" of the Law. "For the written Letter of the Law brings DEATH; but the Spirit gives LIFE." (2nd Corinthians 3:6)

[@User-x5s3x]

What you are choosing to ignore, is that the "NT" is absolutely NOT scripture that was given to mankind by God, since NO FURTHER SCRIPTURES were given to mankind by Him AFTER Mt. Sinai, therefore, Christianity absolutely did NOT come from God. PLEASE do some honest research on this subject!

[@menmustchangebeforekingdoms]

@@User-x5s3x - Janis, I am "sincerely" concerned about your state of mind because I give you your own scriptures that "refute" your argument and it is like you FORGET ABOUT IT and continue to send "duplicate" responses using the "Copy & Paste" feature. God through Jeremiah CLEARLY SAYS in Jeremiah 4:14 that you NEED TO BE SAVED, but yet you REFUSE to comment on that, WHY ??

[@janishart5128]

​@@menmustchangebeforekingdoms: If you actually READ that verse you quoted, you would learn that it's NOT, in ANY WAY, referring to being "saved", in the Christian sense - i.e. saved from sin by another HUMAN BEING! It's CLEARLY speaking of Israel (Jerusalem) saving THEMSELVES by repenting of their OWN sins, and NOT depending on any MAN to "save" them from their sins! Here's what that verse says in the Hebrew Bible: _14. Cleanse your heart of evil, O Jerusalem, so that you may be saved; how long will you lodge your iniquitous thoughts within yourself?_ It says absolutely NOTHING about being "saved" from sin by anyone named "Jesus"! READ TO UNDERSTAND!!

[@menmustchangebeforekingdoms]

@@janishart5128 - You are "contradicting" what God says in your OWN Hebrew scriptures Janis. If you could "cleanse your own heart" of evil, then God would NOT have to "...sprinkle clean water upon you" and cleanse you from your filthiness, (Ezekiel 36:25), and God would NOT HAVE TO "remove your stony heart", which He does in the New Covenant, (Ezekiel 36:26), which is 100% God's Work & 0% your work. Understand now ?

[@janishart5128]

@@menmustchangebeforekingdoms: I see that you're having problems determining what only happened BACK THEN, in Biblical times, and what is PROPHESIED for the future. Get that straightened out, and learn from the Orthodox Rabbis, as commanded by God in Deut. 17:8-11, as thousands of us have already done, and you'll understand what the Hebrew scriptures ACTUALLY mean! Btw, there is absolutely NOTHING you can gaslight me with, since I WAS a born-again, baptized, Evangelical Baptist Christian, and then a 'Messianic' Christian, for 40+ YEARS, until I actually LISTENED to what the Rabbis had to say about Mt. Sinai, and then, out of respect and obedience to God, I could no longer remain in false, pagan, man-made, blasphemous "Christianity", that MOCKS and preaches AGAINST what He actually said to us at Mt. Sinai. I would suggest you do the same, before it's too late.

[@JeanSmith-sz4uu]

💐💐💐💐 I am not a Christian, I am member of the Bahai Faith. If Jesus was sent by God to deliver a new covenant then he had every right to change anything he deemed as necessary as God had commanded him, just as Moses was sent by God and he changed and renewed many of the old traditions that both Noah and Abraham had revealed in their own dispensations. Was not the covenant revealed to Noah entirely different than the covenant revealed to Abraham? And how vast the difference was between the covenant given to Abraham as suppose to Moses? Was not Moses in turn told that another new covenant will come after him? So why be surprised of the new framework that Jesus revealed through God? why be afraid of the word "new"? God's religion is one single entity which is ever-evolving by God. The school of God is one single school but with many diverse teachers and different grades; each grade has a different curriculum with different teachers. These differences are not divisions, but necessary needs in order to develop capacity. The religion of God is the same thing.

[@miriamlevinson185]

If you watched the Rabbi's presentation, you would see that Jesus wasn't introducing anything new, but confirming what the Pharisees regarded as the correct interpretation of the Torah. Jesus didn't bring a new covenant. Jeremiah 31's new covenant will be with the House of Israel, and it remains a future prophesy.

[@jf5177]

Jewish Jesus didn’t teach his Jewish followers anything they didn’t already know. The greatest Commandment is Det 6:5 The 2nd greatest Commandment is Lev 19:18 Jesus taught Torah to his Jewish followers and even tells them in Matthew 5 to follow the Torah until “heaven and earth come to pass”.

[@menmustchangebeforekingdoms]

@@miriamlevinson185 It remains a "future" Prophecy ONLY FOR THE JEWS, since they REJECTED the New Covenant through the SINLESS BLOOD of Jesus YOUR MESSIAH. Don't you understand that God KNOWS ALL THINGS, so He would have "known" if His People were going to "reject" their Messiah or not, and because of that, God brought the GENTILE NATIONS into His Kingdom WHO RECEIVED JESUS, to "provoke" the Jew to JEALOUSY. (Deuteronomy 32:21) (Isaiah 65:1) (Isaiah 52:15). You should know by now that God is able to "put us in our place" so that we will not continue to "believe" that we "know it all".....

[@ricklamb772]

Very wise.

[@hebrewgreek7420]

The new covenant is defined already in Deuteronomy 30, in Jeremiah 31, and in Ezekiel 36 as the LORD revivifying Israel, changing them from the inside, and causing them to return to the Land of Israel and to obedience to the Torah that Moses gave them. Ezekiel 37:24 also says that Israel will keep the Torah under the headship of the Messiah. The new covenant does not do away with what came before.

[@Paulenchucker]

I don’t take no stock in what Jews think about Jesus. Stay in your lane.

[@laurasilverstone9735]

Because JESUS CHRIST HAMASHIACH IS ALMIGHTY GOD AND HE DID WHAT HE WAS SENT TO DO

[@louishaywood4999]

if he was God, who send him?

[@laurasilverstone9735]

Because He and the Father are one, it was preordained that JESUS CHRIST HAMASHIACH ALMIGHTY GOD WOULD COME IN THE BODY PREPARED because God is a Spirit

[@beardedbrave4950]

😂😂😂😂

[@menmustchangebeforekingdoms]

@@louishaywood4999 - You are a human being made up of 3 parts, spirit, soul, & body. Do you say that there are 3 of you ?? When your "body" does something, which of your 3 "parts" gives the command ?? The Truth is, WITHOUT any of the 3 parts that make you ONE, you do not EXIST. But if you want to remain in "ignorance", that is your choice....

[@krii2fly]

⁠@@menmustchangebeforekingdomsyou can’t explain the trinity without any analogy without calling into heresy The analogy you just gave fell into the heresy of partialism.

[@thenazareneperspective2734]

I'm not a Greek NT fan, as they are truth mixed with untruths, the simple answer to the marquee question is that the Sabbath is a picture of the future Messianic Kingdom age. Jesus (the Prince of the Messianic Kingdom, ruling under God), is "l"ord of the Sabbath, and he will heal Messianic Israel and the nations at that time. As the 2nd Moses, who has the authority to enact/retract the commandments of Moses, Jesus has the authority to change what Moses enacted. The narratives of the healing and the grain (sustenance) are pictures of the future Messianic age. In the "grain" narrative, it can be interpreted that the disciples (the poor) fall into the category of those in Lev 23:22 and were eating from the 4 corners of the field. If the Sabbath is a picture of the Messianic Kingdom age (to which mankind will return to the pre-Flood state of vegetarianism), God will provide the means of sustenance which will be free to those who need it. The grain in the corners of the field.....Lev 23:22 left for the poor....Ebionites (the poor).

[@menmustchangebeforekingdoms]

@thenazareneperspective2734 - You said, "Jesus has the authority TO CHANGE WHAT MOSES ENACTED". What ?? So you must be saying that God DID NOT give Moses the Laws he "enacted" right ?? Please post the scriptures where Moses makes up some Laws to give to the people that God DID NOT TELL HIM TO GIVE TO THE PEOPLE ?? I'll be waiting....

[@thenazareneperspective2734]

@@menmustchangebeforekingdoms You said; "You said, "Jesus has the authority TO CHANGE WHAT MOSES ENACTED"." My reply: Yup. And you and I have been over this time and again, but, we'll go through the dance again. Jesus as the Prophet (like unto Moses) had the same (and more) authority as did Moses. God gave the Big 10 set in stone (written by his own finger), and Moses (who had the authority), being a Prophet who had the Spirit of Prophecy and Discernment, gave the rest of the minor commandments to curb the Egyptianized Israelites' desire to commit idolatry, by a strict authorative regimen. Jesus retained the Big 10 and all of the Mosaic Commandments (except for the "blood" and animal sacrificial commandments). Jesus replaced the "blood" and animal sacrifices with "water baptism" for the remission of sins (to the same effect). So, it really wasn't a removal...just a replacement. You said; "What ?? So you must be saying that God DID NOT give Moses the Laws he "enacted" right ??" My reply: Refer to the first reply. You said; "Please post the scriptures where Moses makes up some Laws to give to the people that God DID NOT TELL HIM TO GIVE TO THE PEOPLE ??" My reply: Jer 7...and focused on 7:22-23 (in the context of the surrounding circumstances which were similar to what the Egyptianized Israelites were doing in the days of the Exodus.) You said; "I'll be waiting...." My reply: Hopefully not too long.

[@thenazareneperspective2734]

@@menmustchangebeforekingdoms Also...I forgot to ask in the previous reply... How many Apostles of the Lamb are there?

[@menmustchangebeforekingdoms]

@@thenazareneperspective2734- You are the biggest "pretender" of PURE BS that I have EVER had the displeasure of listening to...... Wow !!

[@janishart5128]

@@thenazareneperspective2734: There are ZERO "apostles" in the Hebrew scriptures! You are following a false, pagan, man-made work of fiction that absolutely did NOT come from God!

[@GRXMotorsPNW]

Huh? Jesus was the most popular human and thus doesn't line up with Isaiah 53? Really? Wow, I guess he was so popular he was ultimately crucified. The Rabbi was actually very accurate up until that point. I guess I'll never understand the Rabbis

[@menmustchangebeforekingdoms]

HYPOCRITES ALL !! Jesus said, "What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and LIFT IT OUT ? How much then is a man, (who Jesus healed), better than a sheep ? Therefore, IT IS LAWFUL TO DO WELL ON THE SABBATH DAY" (Matthew 12:11,12).

[@User-x5s3x]

Actually, the "Jesus" character never said ONE word that's attributed to him in the false, pagan, man-made "NT", since he was already DEAD for at least 40 years, by the time it was written.

[@menmustchangebeforekingdoms]

@@User-x5s3x Also, God CLEARLY spoke through Jeremiah, "Thus speaks the Lord God of Israel, saying, Write ALL THE WORDS THAT I HAVE SPOKEN UNTO THEE IN A BOOK." (Jeremiah 30:2). So God did GIVE YOU SCRIPTURES AFTER MT. SINAI Janis. Why will you not address this TRUTH? I am very concerned about your "cognitive" state....

[@peruvathoma]

@@User-x5s3x Many characters like you have lived and died since but Jesus is the only Jew who conquered Rome. Besides no other Jew but Jesus arose from the dead by own power. I'd rather listen to the Jew who conquered death and then conquered Rome than to a lesser Jew. "For you will not abandon my soul to Sheol, or let your holy one see corruption." Psalm 16:10. Anyone calling himself the 'Holy Seed' should prove He can resurrect from the dead before making such a claim. But your Rabbis have lied to you that faithful Jews are the Holy Seed. That's blasphemy. God alone is Holy. Holy Seed is YHWH incarnate as promised to Abraham for whom he abandoned even his own fathers house and became a nomad. The Holy Seed is the central theme of authentic Judaism. All other particulars are auxiliary aspects that make sense only around this central theme. But as the terebinth and oak leave stumps when they are cut down, so the holy seed will be the stump in the land. Isiah 6:13. Your fathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would consider you to be a pagan rather than a Jew because they believed in the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob birthing from their loins (their lineage) via God's immutable covenant while you accept the prospect of a man-only messiah, a mere political leader. You follow Rabbinism and not Judaism.

[@User-x5s3x]

@@peruvathoma: But NOWHERE did God EVER mention the "Jesus" character to us, and NO FURTHER SCRIPTURES were given to mankind by God AFTER Mt. Sinai, so.....!!

[@User-x5s3x]

@@menmustchangebeforekingdoms: Uhhh....just NO!!! When He gave us His words at Mt. Sinai, He specifically told us that those words are ETERNAL...look up the meaning of that word!!

[@ababba7519]

Hello , Read about Islam and prophet Muhammad Allah promised in His book the Quran who entered into Islam will live in paradise forever after day of resurrection , supplicate to Allah our creator our God.

[@hrvatskinoahid1048]

The main doctrine of Islam is not idolatry, since it calls for belief in one God. However, it is forbidden to uphold an innovated religion that people introduced after Mount Sinai.

[@Bobbel888]

@Raizel613 You are right about Judasim, better stick to that

[@Bobbel888]

"Hello, Read .... " - nice to meet you

[@geraldbennett8703]

😢😮😅 what else can you say against Hashem who is Jesus, because Isaiah said a man Born is God Emmanuel in the flesh Jesus is the one In the Temple work is done on the sabbath too that is allowed not a big deal Jesus is the one coming Back 🙏