How 3 Schools Lost Power Conference Status

A lot of discussion has been made about Oregon State and Washington State losing their status as power conference programs after the majority of schools left the Pac-12 Conference. It's the same conversation that was made about Kansas State and Iowa State after Oklahoma and Texas left the Big 12 and there were thoughts everyone else would land in a power conference except for them. Oregon State and Washington State are living Wildcats' and Cyclones' nightmares right now. But as far as losing power status goes, the Beavs and Cougs aren't experiencing something entirely new in the college sports world. At least three other universities have experienced the drop in prestige that occurs with their conference collapsing around them and finding no power conference to escape to---and all 3 of them haven't found a power 4 landing spot yet.
The Temple and Rice Owls and USF Bulls, victims of the collapses of the Southwest and Big East Conferences, provide the blueprint for the worst-case scenario for the Pac-2. While teams like Louisville, TCU, and SMU have found ways to make it back to the power conferences after the collapse of their old ones, these three schools still haven't found a way back. The short answer as to why? Well, you've gotta be good at football.
In this video, I'll be examining Temple, USF, and Rice, and seeing what led to them losing power conference status---if they even had it in the first place---and how their situations compare to Oregon State's and Washington State's.
All media featured in this video does not belong to me and is used under KZbin's copyright qualifications for the purpose of education. Video was sourced from KZbin's library and music was sourced from KZbin's audio library.

[@zanethecane]

dalukes and Empire are like discovering Josh Pate during Covid. Absolute GOATS.

[@johndadon2673]

josh pate and joel klatt kept me going during covid 😭

[@amarimarks3320]

Was about to say an empire and dalukes video dropping the same day what a day!

[@Skers91]

Literally

[@JakeGrandusky]

Pate state freights🚂🚂

[@kingfubar3418]

This comment is how I know I’m in too deep on college football

[@VillagerMan2006]

Rice is utterly tragic when you realize every former SWC team is in the P4 except for them

[@denisdooley1540]

SMU had to sell everything but their soul to get in. Had the PAC been led by someone willing to act immediately, I felt like adding SMU and Rice plus SDSU, Fresno, Boise St. and someone else might have maybe kept Stanford and Cal from bolting. But, that wasn't the way it worked out. As soon as ESPN decides they have no further use for the ACC, things may change.

[@dgart7434]

Not tragic, it is logical. Rice only had big time football because in the 1930's Texas A&M was a military college only, the NFL really wasn't a thing and other schools like the University of Houston either did not or had barely established their football programs. That is no longer the case. The University of Chicago dropped football in 1939 and moved to D3 and it has not harmed its academic prestige. Rice should also move to D3 to be with more like minded schools.

[@nashawnlivingston2965]

@@dgart7434 I don’t get takes like these; unless Rice actively doesn’t want to be D1, there’s no reason for them to drop to a lower level. Just because they’re not the most successful doesn’t mean they should automatically give up and copy what an individual school decided to do. Not to mention that Northwestern and Duke are prestigious universities with D1 sports (and while NW is a in power conference, it’s not like they’ve been extremely successful in big-time sports afaik)

[@Denozo88]

​@nashawnlivingston2965 you missed his point. By size and resources size their a fcs or lower school.

[@abelreyna8781]

They are a proud academic institution that does not really care for football all that much. They're ok where they are.

[@GodSonBlessed]

I remember when USF first moved up from C-USA to the Big East. The University president at the time acted like it was an inconvenience; She only wanted to focus on academics.She rejected every attempt to even discuss an on campus stadium. She got her wish now. USF is an AAU university, but big time football left us behind and chose UCF instead 🤮.

[@ono3869]

She also blocked UCF from joining the Big East which would have strengthened the league so karma happened twice over.

[@GodSonBlessed]

@@ono3869 That's true.

[@y2films]

There is a conference they can get invited to now that they have AAU that's looking South....

[@lifehoff]

UCF never stopped investing. For many years, UCF was the only school in Florida with a 120-yard indoor football practice field opened in 2005. USF opened theirs in 2022, and like their stadium, it cost probably 4 or 5 times as much UCF spent who built when hurricane code and prices were much lower. USF has bad boosters and school leadership. They always talk about how great the Bucs stadium is but do not even realize it's been passed by Dolphin stadium, which has a roof and UCF stadium, which has a beach zone and lazy river.

[@Hidden-Shark]

⁠@@y2films the Big Ten is not expanding anymore and they don’t need to pick up a bottom feeder school from the American if they wanted to expand

[@lorenzohaynes3886]

That's only part of why Kennedy used Rice as an example. The other reason is because that land NASA had in Texas. That was donated from Rice.

[@chase1144]

Also, he gave his speech at Rice Stadium.

[@LymetimeProductions]

That Kansas logo is PEAK

[@terranceramirez4816]

It looks like something a 6 1/2 year old would make on MS Paint

[@Nick-nt5ov]

It’s bad at Temple. I didn't go there, but I had some friends who did. Half the people that go there are PSU fans, and the only game they go to is homecoming because that's the only game where there’s a good tailgate

[@troybaxter]

Fun fact about Rice, in the year that JFK gave that speech, they TIED Texas 14-14 in Houston.

[@mississippimoo8854]

as a rice student and fan, we're good at getting talent to come to rice thanks to top connections, but never good enough to utilizing them or maintain that discipline i.e. o-line, defense that being said, i am hopeful that rice can at least bounce back if there are any investments made on the athletic program which got cut heavily during 2012

[@Rob-uc1xh]

Graduated in 2019. During my years, the football team went 9-40. Love the tradition and history of the program, but let's be honest .. administration and alums *for the most part* do not care about our athletics overall. Would be fun for them to turn it around and compete in the American but .. not really going to happen. Go Owls!

[@deanfirnatine7814]

I read they are doing a major upgrade on the stadium and the Pac 12 is interested in Rice and Tulane as academic bait to lure Cal and Stanford back if the ACC implodes.

[@BubbaBrons]

God I hate that Michigan and USC are in the same conference

[@denisdooley1540]

It should be a trophy game with a replica of a Greek Narcissus statue as the trophy.

[@jonm4501]

I have lived on the USF rollercoaster from the beginning. It has been exhilarating at times. A lot of USF fans including myself did not see the stadium as being the issue, its an NFL stadium, it has very nice pro grade amenities, better than many BIG/SEC football stadiums. And they could recruit to play there, it was a bonus. THE ISSUE was Charlie Strong who just wanted to be an executive coach and turned over the team to his ex-Texas staff. They just didn't work and they recruited poorly, then replaced by Jeff Scott, which seemed a brilliant move, but he was hampered by Covid his first year. He actually had Florida beat in Gainesville and thru 3 horrendous plays late in the game lost. I think if he had won that game, history would be so different now. Now, we wait and see and hope, the current plan appears to be waiting for the ACC to extend an invitation. Although I would rather see the BIG12 bring us in and renew the War on I-4 rivalry with UCF.

[@davidnovak707]

The Matt Grothe/beating Auburn/beating West Virginia days were the pinnacle of the program. I was disappointed that Skip Holz never panned out. I thought he was a good pick and had done well with other programs.

[@gakster29]

So many owls. RIP wisdom

[@That.Political.Guy--]

As a usf fan this hurts

[@holdenackerman8783]

Temple’s situation is such an odd one. With there being a lack no prominent power conferences in the northeast like there used to be, a colossal shared-use stadium miles south of the main campus, and greater apathy towards college ball is strange. The region produces more college talent than one might think but the top recruits always go elsewhere. It’s funny to me, a Philly resident, to have watched the Power 5 snatch up schools largely due to market size (Maryland and Rutgers to the BIG10 for instance). But everyone sees Temple, a huge school in the middle of one of the largest tv markets and the country, and says, “we’ll pass.”

[@gregpugh5354]

The thing is the Linc is not a bad BSL ride from Temple, but they are just not good enough to make people want to go . With the cost of eagles tickets nowadays , ppl would probably want to go to Temple games if they were as good as they were 10 years ago.

[@UserName-ts3sp]

At least with the Big Ten... Penn State gets them in the Philly TV market. I'd imagine Penn State is the most popular college team in the Philly area too

[@kxngmar]

@@UserName-ts3sppretty much

[@gregpugh5354]

@@UserName-ts3spit is the most popular for sports , but Temple is still a big name regionally with people coming from and going across the east coast to go there.

[@nj2mddude205]

Temple needs to play against traditional and regional rivals to develop fan interest. But that opportunity appears to have passed.

[@mrterp04]

Temple is such a fascinating story

[@cylixdemas]

This is a very good and honest analysis of these 3 programs. Great video! Added to my favorites!

[@sdeepj]

Temple alum here: Temple is a basketball school, basketball schools are generally not good at football. Nobody talks about Duke, North Carolina, or Indiana football. Which made it ironic for Temple to be in the Big East for football, but not basketball. It would be a no brainer, as they would have a rivalry with Villanova

[@augiegirl1]

Don't look now, but Indiana is undefeated (5-0) & ranked 23rd in football. No, I'm not an Indiana fan, but Nebraska plays them on October 19th (Indiana plays Northwestern this week, then we both have a bye week).

[@reverend_wintondupree]

​@@augiegirl1Duke is undefeated as well coming off a great comeback win against UNC

[@augiegirl1]

@@reverend_wintondupree Congrats.

[@sdeepj]

@@reverend_wintondupree Traditionally, Duke is not a football school, a good season will not make a football school. You cannot compare a Duke-UNC football game to with a Duke-UNC basketball game. The latter is a nationally televised event, while I just learned about the former

[@reverend_wintondupree]

@@sdeepj Whose comparing and where did i claim Duke is a football school? I'm just pointing out Duke is undefeated this year in line with @augiegirl1's comment about Indiana.

[@FSUSZN]

i like all the vintage logos.

[@nateg4582]

For a majority of those check out Chris Creamer's Sports Logos.

[@cobylecav]

Empire and Dalukes uploaded today? We feasting

[@primeconor]

Dalukes upload = good day

[@nateg4582]

Agreed.

[@luckylucas8596]

I’m a UNC fan, and as such, I often joke about Wake Forest being the little brother of a little brother or the redheaded step-cousin of the NC ACC schools. Despite that, I really value them as a presence in the ACC and am always excited to see them beat big brothers NC State and d00k (not UNC for obvious reasons). I’m worried that with conference realignment, we might have a college sporting future where Wake Forest gets left out of NC collegiate athletic talks. They bring the state together in a way that I don’t think gets enough recognition.

[@BobKubby22]

Living near Philly I know first hand how bad Temple has been at football. Soth Florida will get an invite somewhere. ...maybe Big 1w?? Much stronger program. Rice since its heyday in the 40s and 50s has been pretty bad too. Maybe a long shot for Pac12? Love the video! Awesome job!

[@BrysonConroy]

as a usf fan im in pain

[@OpinionPiece]

You should do a video on the private, academi power conference schools that are just sort of there, like Duke, Northwestern, Stanford, and Vanderbilt

[@abbiewaters1085]

Speaking up for the girl contingent; always a good day when dalukes posts

[@Red_5478]

Dalukes with another banger!

[@rngfootball759]

Rice ran triple option during a good part of the 90s into the mid 2000s. Mainly a run heavy team similar to the service academies and the Tom Osborne/Frank Solich Nebraska teams.

[@ramblinman4197]

USF probably has as good a chance as WSU and OSU. Rice and Temple, not so much. I guess Temple could also wind up in the ACC if the potential Clemson-FSU exit causes a near-implosion.

[@landonkincaid6630]

ECU videos when?

[@rangersking6699]

Temple I kind of feel shaky even calling power. They were always football only and only kept around in the big east as a necessity. And they were never good. Even rice had good years compared to temple.

[@kevinselloutrecords7376]

Temple has never been football only and they had a few good seasons. Their story deserves a documentary because they got screwed at every turn

[@Josh-ut4wv]

Rice is a classic case of many smaller universities in power conferences. Early years they were very good but then as more public insitutions started to invest more into football as the 1950's began to roll around these smaller schools like Rice, Vandy, and Tulane just could not keep up

[@nashawnlivingston2965]

Temple by far: the travel is increasingly unbearable with the AAC pivoting to Southwestern expansion and they have no where else to go conference wise

[@DonaldMains]

I never considered the Big East a power conference. It was always the SEC, ACC, B1G, BIG8/12, PAC, and the SWC when it existed.

[@deanfirnatine7814]

But the system did, they got automatic bids just like by rules now the top five rated conferences get a automatic bid, meaning the Pac 12 will almost certainly get a auto bid when they reform as a conference in 2026.

[@DonaldMains]

@@deanfirnatine7814 the Pac12 will not get an autobid when they reform. The Pac12 will be eligible for the at large bid for the best of G5 schools.

[@SenorHomeslice]

@@deanfirnatine7814 They were constantly moving the goalposts to justify the Big East but shut out the Mountain West when the quality of football was better with the MWC more years than not. It was ridiculous how far they went to keep Utah, BYU, and TCU down, often citing the quality of the bottom of the conference as the reason they just weren’t good enough… while the Big East carried Temple and other schools of that ilk.

[@ellie3910]

This guy makes the best videos.

[@RonD937]

Temple only played 1 year at the Linc before being kicked out of the Big East. The Stadium opened in 2003. During their first stint, the played at the Vet.

[@lifehoff]

USF got what they deserved. Instead of being partners with their peer UCF, they acted like they were too big for them and refused to play them or let them join the Big East. Funny thing is at the time UCF was already a way better program, UCF had beaten Alabama for their homecoming and had many alumni in the NFL like Daunte Culpepper.

[@davidnovak707]

I never liked that attitude by USF, either, and I am a USF alum. We should have played UCF every year. True, UCF had an established program.

[@MrGHawaii]

I saw Rice play in the Hawaii Bowl. They had a player who was only 4 feet tall.

[@jaredstivers]

Love to see another Custom Coferences realignment video. Power 4 with 16 team and the group of 6 with 12 team leagues. Would also like to include cool group of 5 Leagues like Magnolia or pac because a west coast Coferences. And mountain west being the mountain and eastern plains

[@JosieKay15]

KTO talks a lot about South Florida in his video about the 2007 college football season

[@maxl.b.m.y.g.5918]

9:49 it’s because of the JFK speech where he also said that we would go to the moon

[@JB-tl8rj]

Ya know, Sewannee was a founding member of the SEC

[@zerolazer9530]

I have no clue how, But they went 0-37 In their time in the SEC

[@tommykeeran6776]

@@zerolazer9530 They were a powerhouse in the SIAA and then the SoCon. By the time the SEC formed the game was changing and a school that small had no hope to compete, but they got in based on their history.

[@jamespyle777]

@@tommykeeran6776 The same could almost have been said about Washington & Lee who is also Division III.

[@tommykeeran6776]

@jamespyle777 Absolutely. I believe the SEC's stated goal was to have all the big or powerful schools south of the Ohio and west of the Appalachians, so with W&L in Virginia they had no shot. If the ACC had formed then as well they may have been in there. Just a timing thing.

[@y2films]

​@@zerolazer9530Sewanee was referred to as "The University of the South" and held a lot of political power. Football sucked but it was a different time

[@grapeapeductape2489]

PAC 12 being a skin walker is an intriguing concept

[@deanfirnatine7814]

"Skin Walker" that just added Gonzaga and has a conference already with six schools that made the NCAA last year, four of which advanced and two different teams that have made the national championship in the last four years, they may be the 5th best conference in football but they are looking like a darn good hoops conference. FYI as the 5th best conference by ratings they get a automatic playoff bid under the current system.

[@grapeapeductape2489]

@@deanfirnatine7814 “good basketball conference” on a football video. An autobid isn’t impressive when it’s an 8 win Boise State.

[@Spitfirethedragon]

UConn went the same faith as USF. They were already a Big East member for all sports already before they added football. Once they added football? They got an auto pass to a power conference. Another group that were power were SoCon and MVC conferences. SoCon schools had ACC and SEC teams in them before they left to formed the ACC and SEC. One of the conference before them had Texas in it as well. The MVC and Big 8 shared the same conference as both claimed they are the renamed conference of the past. Drake is the only team left from the original. To be honest. Idaho did not left on their own. The egos of the PAC 12 schools at the time fighting with each other, disbanded the conference. Then they reformed never invited Idaho or Montana back. Idaho, just like Rice, was left homeless for a bit.

[@markfischer1778]

As someone in the Philadelphia area, I have no idea why Temple still has FBS football. People here who follow college football root for Penn State. Temple needs to move down to FCS. Villanova and Penn are both doing just fine down there.

[@kevinselloutrecords7376]

They were ranked in 2015, won the AAC conference title in 2016 and won a bowl game in 2017. Temple has proven they can be successful, they just multiple unique disadvantages

[@brycehawes38]

Only a couple hours after empire posts? Thank you

[@JJETTAS_Production]

0:14 Not Duke mostly people think of Clemson I live in Greenville county but it’s fine.

[@JJETTAS_Production]

Never mind I looked the wrong way at least I think.

[@thekingcaspergamingyt6997]

Look when I hear acc I think Duke unc Clemson or ncstate

[@JJETTAS_Production]

@@thekingcaspergamingyt6997 I think of UNC AND CLEMSON

[@thekingcaspergamingyt6997]

@@JJETTAS_Production as a basketball guy. I think. Of it like that too lol. Just sprinkle in Duke. Just because

[@sawyertuide7636]

What’s the background music in the Temple part of the video? Also, I think Rice is in a bad spot but it has potential if it has funding. It’s like an SMU, with the right coach and right AD, they can get some nice recruits and market themselves as Houston’s other school.

[@imhappy5266]

Steve Addazio mention sends chills down my spine. He ruined CSU 😭

[@_Itchy_Bones_]

As a Kentucky fan it's wild seeing Kentucky as a powerhouse program Then again idgaf about basketball We're definitely at MS state level for football

[@deanfirnatine7814]

With the addition of Gonzaga and not being done yet with football expansion the Pac 12 is the 5th or 6th best basketball conference, at least with two top tier programs and 6 of their teams made the NCAA last year and 4 advanced and they are 5th best football conference which means they get a automatic playoff bid as one of the top five ranked conferences, so they are far from done and I am a Duck fan saying that. I think Southern Florida got the worst raw deal excluding OSU and WSU.

[@Lefaid]

I feel like this list would be more interesting if it included schools that hadn't been promoted before 2020.

[@ZeusAmun-pt9dc]

Once again I am asking you, Dalukes, to make a history of the SEC . PLEASE

[@jacobjordananswers]

As a Rice student, not exactly the video I wanted to see my school in 😂

[@nateg4582]

Out of the 3 USF I think will end up in the Big 12 to further plant it's flag in the state of Florida. Rice I think will end up in the Pac 12 while Temple will remain in it's current conference.

[@ono3869]

Nah, UCF will veto that as payback for when USF blocked them from joining the Big East.

[@nateg4582]

​@@ono3869reason for that is due to the rivalry as well and I honestly don't see them heading to the ACC either mainly because I bet the ACC would probably go with Uconn and Tulane (my opinion you don't have to agree with it.)

[@AvrilAlvarez]

USF got screwed over the worst. Just joined the wrong conference at the wrong time.

[@davidnovak707]

I remember in the early days of the program, Conference USA would not accept USF, making them stay an additional year in D1A, until the following year. That hurt.

[@BmanTG]

I’ve been to Rice stadium and saw the owls win over McNeese State, a FCS school, but please let Rice stay in the FBS

[@Nohandleentered]

Um, where is Uconn???

[@connerhaun8160]

As a Tennessee fan, I really hope Alex makes USF better. Hate he left though.

[@LancasterResponding]

I think I speak for everyone when I say this, Temple

[@lukeontheplains]

Temple

[@Trojan073]

10:00 Pretty much every Texas school who was in the southwest has Texas listed (and probably rightly so). It’s more of a hatred than a rivalry.

[@LeeNobody]

Forgot to mention the Manny Diaz coaching tenure at Temple!

[@brandonh5360]

I think USF will get it back soon

[@someperson3883]

Since 1978 here are all the schools to lose power confrence status and aren’t currently in one. Oregon State Rice South Florida Temple UConn Washington State

[@honeysuckle754]

5:44 SMU on the AAC map 💀

[@mrclean30]

bro sent a stray to iowa state 😭

[@coltonlangs5892]

South Florida is going to build an on campus stadium for 2026 which Will bolster their chances of power 5 recognition

[@fallenherothebasedlegend5723]

You missed uconn

[@sam.houseworth]

The lesson: Don't name your team the Owls

[@mrchriscornwell]

I would like for rice to be part of the Big 12 and Stanford too... It's good to surround yourself with intelligence...

[@deanfirnatine7814]

Pac 12 was ready to add Rice and Tulane just to keep Cal and Stanford happy after USC and UCLA bolted and Tulane and Rice are being considered again along with Air Force Academy by the new Pac 12 that hopes to lure Stanford and Cal back if the ACC implodes.

[@jos6884]

USF got screwed the most imo, surprised they weren’t taken over UCF considering their aau membership

[@jonm4501]

They weren't AAU at the time those decisions were made, and the BIG12 could care less about that anyway. HOWEVER, hopefully the ACC will, and I think USF is banking on them opening up once their Grant of Rights runs out or the TV deal gets renegotiated. Problem is there's opportunities that they may pass up waiting for the ACC to invite them. Now, IF the BIG12 comes calling ...

[@EisenSMT]

Am I crazy or does your voice sound higher than usual

[@manitobamodeler24]

Bring back the SWAC

[@RiVer-Parish]

I think Deion Sanders could've gotten Jackson State to D-1 level.

[@rangersking6699]

What is tcu doing in a graphic about national hype lol

[@grandlordkaching9560]

1 view 18s ago? Bro fell off smh

[@pippingamingplays3772]

Mississippi State? You should have put Missouri or vandy

[@ryeinsteinhoff3854]

he’s hot

[@josephdickinson5183]

Oh. Basketball

[@anthonypalicka4776]

USF

[@derek7663]

L Pac2 take.

[@frictionhitch]

Tldr cuz they sucked for a long time

[@arcostonian]

Power lavels dont mean too much. Boise almost, and shoukd, beat Oregon (for the 4th straight time). Boise would pound Purdue, Iowa, rutgers, and many othe "power 4" schools.

[@kevinselloutrecords7376]

Boise is highly deserving of power conference status

[@benjaminguzman3428]

I don't think any of them are ready for a move to a Power Conferences, despite realignment predictions

[@cylixdemas]

That's why you're wrong.

[@captainspartan04]

First video I have to dislike. Mentioning kensucky as a successful school in the first 10 seconds