Managing Packages with XBPS and Void Linux

[@mrmartinLgore]

"something I definitely don't have installed" .... emacs xD

[@MattyFez]

Every day we stray further from Gentoo

[@MegaNecrophobe]

Void is just suckless gentoo

[@fr0iler578]

@@MegaNecrophobe Gentoo can be extremely minimal and optimized and gives you exactly what you want. Binary packages just can't do that

[@KrzysztofKorotko]

@@fr0iler578 - are you aware that void Linux has xbpd-src to manage source based app installations?

[@fr0iler578]

@@KrzysztofKorotko yes, but Gentoo packages after more customizable through the USE flags. Void is not that customizable

[@gabrielelyas1868]

@@fr0iler578 In Void you can specify the flags for compilation

[@bruderdasisteinschwerermangel]

There is one thing you have to do when using void/xbps: alias xbepis='xbps-install'

[@avocado4877]

e bin :DDD

[@MarieAmeliaFreyaAster]

bruh

[@pedroprobst5230]

Yo, Luke! You seriously need an anime girl wallpaper so you can have more credibility :)

[@bruderdasisteinschwerermangel]

He needs a other JoJo reference to be honest

[@grantkruger3689]

@@eegoal Well, bits of them at least ;)

[@hjoshua1701]

Maybe he isn't a depressed weirdo obsessed with anime.

[@MutoShack]

I don't have audio rn but I'm sure this video rocks.

[@syrefaen]

If your issue is same as me. Add your user to the : pulse-access and audio group."usermod -a -G gruops user"

[@freebeenergy]

I don't know what rn is. But the live-usb I've tryed, hasn't sound too. I've updated the xbps, I think. How ever the follow comand # xbps-install -Su Then the same 2nd time. And then installed pulseaudio & xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin for my xfce4-panel. Then I've got the sound on my laptop.

[@freebeenergy]

@UCMIhpRT4_aqUxojXP1Td0hg I couldn't install void on my btrfs-subvolumes. But from live-usb, I haven't sound. And no - I did everything with xbps-install -S. At first 2 times xbps-install -Su. And the 3rd time xbps -install -S pulseaudio xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin Nothing else. But how I said, it was the void-live usb. Not installed on a hdd.

[@Tufhhuyy]

For anyone finding this in the future, void has the audio muted by default for some reason, at least on the live CD. Install alsa-utils, open alsamixer, and see if the audio is muted

[@nem64]

I swear i watched an ancient video of luke about how he got meme'd using void, is he getting meme'd again

[@rexevan6714]

Yes

[@alexandrprincip6366]

Make Luke meme'd again.

[@clocked0]

btwiusevoid.zapto.org

[@matj12]

This reminded me I haven't run sudo pacman -Syu today.

[@____-gy5mq]

You need to run pacman -Syyu in case the package database is corrupted.

[@freebeenergy]

@@____-gy5mq where is the difference betwen the 2 comands?

[@nykal1510]

@@____-gy5mq you don't unless you're aware of an issue nigga you're just wasting precious bandwith

[@bailbinshamber3781]

@@freebeenergy The one with yy forces database resyncing, whereas the one with a singular "y" doesn't resync the database if it was already ran recently.

[@randomaccessbrains]

When is LARBS for LFS coming?

[@rexevan6714]

Probably 5 years from now

[@kiarashbahrami7219]

@@rexevan6714 3 years left

[@SgtPiper]

​@@kiarashbahrami72191 year left

[@mbednarek360]

for those new to xbps i found netzverweigerer/vpm quite convenient, its a simple helper script with nicer aliases and some extra features

[@prajwalgaonkar]

I used Debian 9 for almost a year and just switched to void Linux a week ago. So far its been a good experience. I guess I'll have to get used to the constant upgrades.

[@redgek]

btw I use Void

[@shater1164]

I use Void Linux BTW ;)

[@shater1164]

@Chexier By the way indeed ;)

[@Babbler49]

Will you do a video on how to use runit, and why you like it better than systemd (despite not hating the later)?

[@froge8121]

Babbler49 guess what, you can like something without hating something else

[@tato-chip7612]

you had the opportunity to alias xbps-remove to xer for extra progressiveness

[@kayblis]

hahahaha

[@rand_kk]

хер in russian means dick, btw :)

[@Zoltan_Gyarmathi]

Next distro will be gentoo at last.

[@julioramirezceballos6464]

Try Gentoo... It's a big pain at first, but when you get used to, it really worth that effort :)

[@shater1164]

True indeed ;)

[@nilz91]

when xtools is installed, this creates aliases as well like xi=xbps-install, xrs=xbps-query -Rs etc xq, etc

[@marcello4258]

Btw if there is really smth you need from the aur and you don't want to build it from source yourself - basically aur is just a script to build from source which you have to trust is not doing any Malicious, you can always chroot and install yay or whatever on your void Linux partition

[@samuelruprecht8060]

Luke: "why look at NixOS or GuixSD if Arch has everything I need?" Also Luke: *switches to void linux* Arch an Void are like apples and pears, while NixOS is is the anabolic. You loose your "Arch" balls but you get all the muscles!

[@honse246]

I fell for the void meme for my home server and because I don't update often I now cannot update at ALL because circular dependencies! It is really like I am using arch!

[@plutopotamus]

What prompted you to move away from Arch? Did something bug you about it? Just curious.

[@Joinemm]

he fell for the meme

[@sk8sbest]

Systemd bloat

[@Babbler49]

I too would like his reasoning for switching from Arch, especially since he stated specifically that he doesn't hate systemd, which to me is one of the biggest reasons for people using Void.

[@ertwro]

he wants to get away from pulseaudio but use alsa instead of jack. Which is kind of dumb.

[@plutopotamus]

@@sk8sbest he specifically made a video arguing that systemd was not 'bloat'...

[@kruzzy16]

BSD=aVoid Linux

[@____-gy5mq]

Well, void is basically the linux version of FreeBSD

[@rabywastaken]

Bruh

[@freebeenergy]

@@____-gy5mq Well, I want to settle from gentoo based Desktop, now arch-based distro to openBSD, in small steps. So now use the artix, I've tryed the live-void distro. And It seems a good distro. Just one prob, I cant install it on my MBR legacy hdd. I've 2 hdd's on my laptop. sdb I want to use for BSD in the future. Now I use my sda with btrfs subvolumes. So have 1TB hdd with only 1, luks1 btrfs encrypted partition, the sda1. My last windows was the XP. I've used linux-distros, without windows, for some years. But I still learning some linux stuffs. Not a profi. How ever, I want to install 2, or 3 disrtributions, on my sda1, on different btrfs subvolumes. One is the easy Atrix distro. The 1st distro I've installed via chroot in a terminal. And the 1st time I've used encryption & btrfs-subvolumes. Then the void-linux & maybe one gentoo-based distro. The prob now is, The os-prober with grub-mkconfig command don't see another subvolumes with another distros. Just if the different distros are on diffrent partions, like sdb1 & sdb2, grub-mkconfig, config the another distros to the grub.cfg file. I think the case is, I should config the 40_custom file for grub manually, to get choise another distros on subvolumes, when the grub starts. So I've to try it. What about Void-linux install. Cause I use luks encryption & btrfs subvolumes, I install it via chroot. Not with the terminal graphic installer. And there I doesn't get futher as the point to install the base system. Not the xbps-install, or the rootfs install doesn't work. Maybe my english & linux knowings are not much enough. But I think I did everything like in the installation documentation on voidlinux.org. In Artix is it just # sudo basestrap base base-devel ..... But the void documentation on their site says the install is different from basestrap comand. So I just create the btrfs subvolumes e.g. void-root, void-boot, void-home etc. on the sda1, where are my subvolumes for artix too. Mounted them, and that's all. To install the system on subvol=void-root mounted on /mnt, doesn't work. Maybe I make some mistakes. But I like the void-live I've tryed & want to use this distro for a time, till I install OpenBSD. Or even for longer. With BSD's, I have no expiriance at all, to this point. So if someone knows how to install void-linux-distro via chroot, I would be thankfull.

[@antuacharjee9145]

What's the advantage of it over arch Linux? Xbps-src is not equivalent to aur. It's a pain to setup

[@SuperHeroINTJ]

No systemd.

[@Zoltan_Gyarmathi]

@@SuperHeroINTJ Artix does that too.

[@Zoltan_Gyarmathi]

One of the advantages I found is the chance to use musl instead of the bloated glib.

[@froge8121]

Zoltán Gyarmathi and libreSSL

[@marcello4258]

Anyone knows whether or not xbps does actually does diffs for updates or do they download the complete package upon on update like arch and debian ?

[@rmcellig]

Excellent video!!! Thanks Luke! I'm considering installing void with i3.

[@ivbit]

OK, I'm using Gentoo now, don't ask why!

[@Nelex111]

Make video about advantages of Void over Arch Linux. Aur already has xbps package, so package manager is not the option to switch to Void

[@froge8121]

Some dude in sunglasses runit, libressl, console UI installer, less installed packages after first install...

[@porky1118]

you cannot alias "xbps-install" to "xi", xtools already contains a program named "xi"

[@amirshabani494]

"Hyphen! Which is 5 miles away on your keyboard." 1:39 haha that's so true.

[@jadissa3841]

That's why I prefer camelCase... I mean... 5 miles away and all while holding shift??? This is crazy!

[@amirshabani494]

@@jadissa3841 You're right.

[@matj12]

I can reach hyphen easily with my index finger on my keyboard with a custom layout.

[@amirshabani494]

@@matj12 I use DVORAK, it's pretty easy with this layout.

[@tyh2989]

@@matj12 I just xbp then tab . .

[@FinaISpartan]

You can use XBPS in Bedrock Linux

[@owenota5583]

Why would you need to though?

[@ulissemini5492]

any commentary on void vs parabola? void is not blessed by the fsf.

[@jonathanwarner1844]

Did you have gvim installed to provide the "+" register in Vim to copy and paste between Vim and the clipboard?

[@spyro3635]

I hope your dwm setup will have arch support because it seems kinda "underdeveloped"

[@Yaxqb]

Boomer rants about systemd hate Runs void Linux Really makes you 🤔

[@HungNguyen-lz5xb]

There are more than just `runit` on Void Linux.

[@SuperHeroINTJ]

SystemD deserves all the hate it gets AND MORE.

[@orion55]

Void would be great even if it used systemd, soooo... yeah, not sure where you're going with this one.

[@rand_kk]

@@SuperHeroINTJ Why so?

[@daltonwither5246]

What about using the tab button when typing commands

[@sndrb1336]

I moved from arch to void inspired by your vids. Forked all of the suckless, some from your github. Laptop is an x230. You could say you're an influencrrrrr

[@danke236]

Hey Luke, last year i was switched to Void Linux nut i can't stand the speed when installing from xbps. There's no Asia repository apparently AFAIK because its originally from EU. i liked this distro but this thing bugs me. Any idea how?

[@nobu1730]

what status monitor is that? i'm using slstatus right now but its not that pretty!

[@bananchick_pasha]

Try out Nix package manager. It might be only one package manager that doesn't have the dependency hell problem (that's why it sucks less than other PMs) - you can install different versions, or even builds of same program/lib at one system.

[@zusfani3440]

Hey Luke, I just use Void Linux and decided to use lts kernel (4.19), but I can't delete the previous kernel (5.9). Can you help me to remove the kernel (5.9) that I don't use? Thank you, Luke

[@HA-zs9kr]

Would you consider doing a video on the program beets? I am considering switching to it but I'm finding it daunting.

[@IgnasV]

What terminal do you use? Also would be great to know what linux enviroment do you use. I'm new to linux, and yours looks very pretty.

[@jhondoux84]

Check out LARBS on his website, its a copy of his setup

[@pushpraj-dwivedi]

Terminal : st

[@lucascruzdosreis9579]

Hey Luke, do you know if there is any way to use shell variables/subshells in dwm's config.h file?

[@Syd536]

Luke thinks we will install it cause he has it. Ha! *installs xbps*

[@rae6261]

is there by chance a way to the -r (changing the directory for install) in arch with *yay* or *pacman* ??

[@snowmean1]

Great video mate, but because I'm thinking to switch from Arch/Manjaro xbps-src is my main concern which hasn't been covered. I'm alright with pretty much any binary package manager, but want to know more about how about apps I might need but they don't exist in main repository. Is it the same as SlackBuild? Another question I have is Chromium VAAPI patches. I see VAAPI patch in git repository, but did anyone confirmed its working?

[@jnelen22]

"guys stop distrohopping"

[@alexandrprincip6366]

Hello, Luke. Try to install GuixSD or NixOS.

[@tiberiusmagnificuscaeser4929]

Does anyone know of any distro that uses some kind of P2P tech for package management? I find it slightly hard to believe that noone would’ve thought of this before, but I can’t seem to find anything that actually has this

[@Element_Finland]

Microsoft Windows has that built in IIRC

[@ertwro]

jajaja you are asking for mac or windows

[@tiberiusmagnificuscaeser4929]

Element Finland Huh? What I mean when I say P2P package management is that instead of having a central repo to download stuff from, you have something like a torrent tracker to find packages. Does Windows really have something like that built in?

[@ertwro]

@@tiberiusmagnificuscaeser4929 Bear in mind that the main users of Linux are servers and due to the nature of p2p tech like BitTorrent this would be a security nightmare. Yes, it would be better for desktop users but in exchange, the signing process for package manager implementations would need to be big huge. While collisions avoid probable meaningful code to be replaced in a malicious way that is a costly approach for enterprise, unless you have a closed network of packages like VMWare does, in fact, with Windows. You can use p2p-proxies like apt-p2p or write your own script to download from multiple repos.

[@Element_Finland]

@@tiberiusmagnificuscaeser4929 Well since Windows is closed source I don't think we know exactly how it works, but Windows computers do send update fragments to each other. imgur.com/a/jZ2wAu7

[@afonsorafael2728]

I don't know if this is a dumb question, or not, but is the older larbs for arch linux going to still be maintained? (I believe it might not receive frequent updates but...)

[@petewest3122]

Luke said in a previous video that he will be maintaining larbs for arch

[@tedbybolf4616]

I saw pacman package manager in Voids repo do you think that I can use it?

[@RefriedBeing]

I would really like to see an introduction to xbps-src. Im on Artix runit right now and I might move back to Void. In the past when I used Void I knew nothing about it and barely knew how to install programs with make and the AUR was my saving grace. I understand now what xbps-src does now and I don't really need the AUR, but I'd love to see it in use before I fumble with another new install.

[@chopcooey]

why did you decide to switch back to void?

[@ertwro]

Using runit to start services with user environment like MPD is a pain in the ass. Starting shit from xinit like some sort of hobo in this day and age?

[@notuxnobux]

How did you have a much better mic here than you have now

[@SixGorillion]

Here comes the void content choo choo

[@altEFG]

Nah, not gonna switch any time soon, Arch with LARBS and my own tweaks is convenient enough.

[@AlejandroRodriguez-wt2mk]

is there any reason you chose Void Linux instead of popular distros like Fedora, CentOS, Ubuntu (perhaps they are too bloated).

[@otten5666]

It doesn't use SystemD

[@antuacharjee9145]

It uses musl instead of glibc. Glibc is quite bloated

[@prajwalgaonkar]

@@antuacharjee9145 are you sure Luke uses void musl and not void glibc?

[@antuacharjee9145]

@@prajwalgaonkar no

[@OnTheEdgex23]

Is there a reason you chose Void over Debian?

[@perahh7659]

nop EDIT: this comment works only if you use Debian sid. If you don't use a rolling release distro, please do

[@slka3272]

@@perahh7659 just curious, why would I use a rolling release distro if the chances of it breaking are higher? Why would I get rid of stability just for somr cutting edge software?

[@froge8121]

Sedi Py because its more convenient than updating your whole system there are almost no reasons to use Debian over Void - Void uses runit - Void has LibreSSL - Void has only base packages installed (well if you like a preconfigured distro, use manjaro)

[@314ngu]

"xbp in " it is not that hard

[@jonas-pq8cd]

Thats 3 more keystrokes than xbpi or 5 more than xi. Thats like 30 valuable seconds of every month of your life that you could regain by optimizing your system.

[@314ngu]

@@jonas-pq8cd gosh that is so true! lol!

[@deleatur]

First time I tried Void, bash-completion didn't work. "WTF?? Aaaaaallrighty then!"

[@314ngu]

@@deleatur im shure now, but i believe your problem is that void has dash as the default shell. Type "/bin/bash" and you should be able to use tabcompition for this boot. I don't remember exactly how it was done properly to permanent, but if you change /bin/sh to point to bash instead of dash, it will last atleast untill xbps updates the link. In other words. "rm /bin/sh" and "ln -s /bin/bash /bin/sh"

[@314ngu]

@justkidding yes, i do believe that dash is there for being smal and fast. But otherwise it depends on what scripts you need to run. Some do specifically want bash... May i ask do, who do you change to bash as your iteractiv shell without changing the /bin/sh symlink?

[@drumpf4all]

Obviously runit is next.

[@BananaMan23456]

Ever try vpm?

[@artaway6647]

I always get xbps mixed up. xsxb? sxbs? xspb? Then I just remember... XBePiS

[@tasoulman]

How about updating packages ?

[@ukaszlisowski6155]

Something tells me that void Linux will hit first ten on distrowatch in few days...

[@shobhit2197]

Its called void because its void of packages

[@assgoblin-uh9zu]

that joke is older than Luke's channel

[@Tankyard]

I saw this kind of comment before on YT, regarding Void Linux. OS is not bad but it lacks on some packages which I use on Debian

[@purplewarrior1830]

Please do a video for xbps-src.........

[@jan_harald]

soo, the guy saw apt-get & co. and rewrote it in the style of pacman? ;P

[@vison360]

xbps is way faster than apt

[@314ngu]

apt-get has a space before "install" this makes it trickier to fix the tab completion on a new distribution. it also tells us that apt-get does other stuff in the same program (xbps is split in to meany small programs, that do one thing, and does it well (see: the Unix philosophy). this makes it easier to replace parts of the package system, if needed.)

[@jan_harald]

@@314ngu sure, I didn't say it was a clone, just that seemed to be rather similar (for interactive use you're supposed to use the "apt" instead of "apt-info/cache/get etc" anyway)

[@jan_harald]

@@vison360 pretty sure Alpine linux's apk is even faster than that ;P

[@hjoshua1701]

I think xbps is pretty easy to write out.

[@pcfreak1992]

When will you grow up and install Gentoo? 😅

[@nixlad]

Just do a video on emacs.

[@tanujnagpal572]

Distro hopping a joke for you?

[@HungNguyen-lz5xb]

'xi' is actually preserved for something else, according to their wiki. wiki.voidlinux.org/Xbps-src#Build_a_packages

[@LucasEsther-y8u]

Gillian Orchard

[@dominikcl1]

I miss my CAPS lock, I need to write capital (ěščřžýáíé)s. But ur Arch LARBS doesn't let me change it. I modified the file which remaps CAPS lock and also ur i3 config, but it is still loaded somehow. Idk what to do, pls help.

[@ndudman8]

How about arcolinux, have you seen it ?

[@KingZero69]

imagine having gvim installed instead of emacs...

[@nixlad]

this

[@vladimirtatarsky9928]

Why to use all of the those obscure linux distos which are used by like 0.01% of total linux users (and therefore endorsing and increasing fragmentation and chaos in linux world) when there's FreeBSD out there? And it's perfectly compatible with those old Thinkpads.. C'mon, Luke, it's time to become REALLY elitist

[@lambdanil]

But why not just NetBSD?

[@vladimirtatarsky9928]

@@lambdanil matter of taste. any *BSD would be fine, even hackintosh

[@ScorpiosLifeLog]

I think you should switch to Dvorak keyboard (You've mentioned something superficial at 1:20) upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/KB_United_States_Dvorak.svg/1200px-KB_United_States_Dvorak.svg.png

[@blankexpression2u]

Does Void fill the void daddy luke?

[@nerrufam7105]

xbps-queery naah ill stick with arch

[@AdaHeitzmann-p4u]

Lupe Path

[@aesculetum]

gentoo when

[@rishav-singh]

gvim be like: am i a joke to you

[@me123270]

>likes the divide between free and nonfree software repositories >tfw debian has existed for a decade and a half longer than void and does the same thing don't install gentoo or arch, debian is the one true linux

[@nathan0401_]

Cool video

[@Viken43]

Show some love for Alpine Linux

[@mario_9431]

I like Alpine linux

[@Newbyte]

it's not really meant to be used as a desktop OS though

[@bitnatures]

@@Newbyte It originally was meant for headless only but they have done a lot of work on the user experience. Although any other desktop oriented OS will probably provide more. I find Alpine to be fantastic on my laptop. Haven't installed on my desktop due to Steam and glibc.

[@GuerreroMisterioso95]

Is it as good as Pacman?

[@antuacharjee9145]

Not at all. Specially xbps-src is a pain in the ass to setup

[@ertwro]

jajaja If only.

[@AugustineMarrable-b6b]

Beer Roads

[@tasoulman]

If you search distrowatch.com for distributions based on free software void linux is not in the results. distrowatch.com/search.php?ostype=All&category=Free+Software&origin=All&basedon=All&notbasedon=None&desktop=All&architecture=All&package=All&rolling=All&isosize=All&netinstall=All&language=All&defaultinit=All&status=Active#simple but Parabola is. Why did yo switch to void linux and not to parabola which is based on Arch? PS: I am not using arch myself, I am more of a Debian, openSUSE user

[@wacesferpit]

Computers are bloat tho

[@cannedeals]

GNU GUIX and GUIXSD!

[@userfirstxd2367]

Xbps is power xd

[@JamesSantos-p7m]

Elmira Port

[@josephgoebbels1605]

xbepis

[@tent405]

why don't you just use slackware already

[@tuxlivonchur435]

your keyboard sounds horrible.. (kind of ugly) - to my ears. ... I like loud keyboards (have cherry blue etc) .. but for myself only. (and I don't know pacman.. only gentoo emerge and debian apt-get stuff)

[@amir78989]

UwU

[@amirshabani494]

I still can't believe you're betraying Arch.

[@stoneHeHenge]

Void Linux is bloated

[@amirshabani494]

Luke, you touch your nose a lot

[@mario_9431]

His nose itches, he stated it in a lot of his vids

[@amirshabani494]

@@mario_9431 Oh, didn't know

[@blankexpression2u]

Its cuz hes fibbing