Flexin Musl on Void Linux

[@flbn7377]

“it’s not based on arch or debian, it’s just based” so real

[@sobot_]

I LOVE THIS QUOTE SO MUCH

[@nonechico]

so true!!!

[@westernwarden8758]

sounds like a XAVIER RENEGADE ANGEL quote

[@notuxnobux]

@flim looking at void linux pony stuff and twitter, the dev that disappeared probably became part of the 41%

[@killertigergaming6762]

@flim that's disappointing void linux seems pretty good i hope they can get some more developers to help them

[@see-sharp]

"It's not based on arch or debian... I T ' S J U S T B A S E D"

[@sobot_]

LOOOOL

[@thechadbuddha]

based? based on what?

[@see-sharp]

@@thechadbuddha B A S E D

[@ozmobozo]

@@thechadbuddha can't mossad the assad kind of based we're talking about

[@abdullahbinjahed6900]

LOL 😂 😆

[@NikPiermafrost]

If you check, void is so based that you can even install gnome without systemd, because it uses two packages that just emulate it's behaviour

[@ThatMfTaika]

Thats actually dope as hell

[@donartmc7129]

Lmao

[@someone7554]

This is not a void thing, most distros can do this

[@MrNickTube1]

Two packages = elogind and eudev (most non-systemd distros include them, btw, including their creators Guix and Gentoo).

[@mehmetkaraman3710]

@Acrilyco Peronista really? do you have more info on that it is kinda sad to hear. are gentoo guys just going to casually drop openrc and use systemd? and what about other systems that rely on elogind and eudev?

[@breakpoint4869]

It should be mentioned that Void Linux is not hostile towards systemd. They used to use systemd but switched to runit because systemd simply does not support musl at all.

[@janmrog]

You even deep faked the reflection on the thinkpad. Great job luke

[@kaiser1794]

I was literally looking at your channel and videos when this dropped. And whats even wilder is I was looking for tutorials on runit for my Void install

[@primethread]

You’re the irl protagonist

[@notafbihoneypot8487]

Let me see your email. I could pdf ..... Instructions...m

[@user-pj7ko8ix8j]

neofetch is such an essential package.

[@Alex811WasTaken]

I mean, how would you complete the installation ritual without it?

[@piecaruso97]

You have to know that void runs very well on old hardware and even has a ppc big endian port, i have seen many people running it on old macs

[@alfiegordon9013]

Even the Wii U :)

[@rafradeki]

this is what happens when you don't use systemd

[@piecaruso97]

@@rafradeki Exactly, linux on it's own is very lightweight, the simpler linux distros run on stuff like an intel 386

[@camthesaxman3387]

I prefer systemd on friendly desktop distros like Ubuntu. For running Linux on embedded or specialized hardware, though, systemd just complicates things.

[@FreeScience]

@@piecaruso97 386 was unfortunately dropped since long back, but I agree. If you pick the right userspace you can use a pretty modern kernel on old hardware.

[@stellarorbit1341]

Instead of compiling from source, you should create templates and push those templates to the void-linux repo and get them added to the repository

[@mnmvw]

Always nice to see Void Linux getting some attention, shame that it always seems to be install videos. I installed Void headless and then added a few things like DWM and quite a few other customizations. It wasn't easy (I'm not an expert) since I had to build from source and get all the required devel libs. Using Void Linux I learned a few things, more than you normally would using any other distro... Using Trim on SSDs for example. I also love the Void Linux handbook. It does not hold your hand or show how to do anything, it simply provides you with the information you need to learn (or to figure out) how to do it yourself.

[@phonewithoutquestion80]

Learning a lot from your videos man, Void looks absolutely fantastic and a great equal between Arch and Gentoo install-wise.

[@iliketobewithpeople9821]

the void is so all consuming not 1 particle of glow exists inside of it

[@saymehname]

Can you make some more Void content? Seems super interesting. Thanks

[@sagewatts2169]

9:46 Note that xcheckrestart doesn't restart anything itself, it just tells you what needs to be restarted.

[@LZ4COMPRESSION]

"its just based" is the new "it just works"

[@camthesaxman3387]

I use this OS on my Raspberry Pi. It boots insanely fast and is a great, simple embedded distro.

[@lucaslopes1260]

Do you ever grab a coffee when you're installing/compiling stuff in your videos, or do you always wait?

[@purplep3466]

We're based, we don't drink coffee. _wtf did i just say_

[@mark-ff7ge]

@@purplep3466 based comment

[@KaiserTheAdversary]

>calls DVORAK "high functioning" >uses Void musl on a gm45 Thinkpad What did he mean by this? 🤔

[@PunishedIvan]

That Dvorak is even higher up the spectrum than even void musl thinkpad users.

[@FunkyDeleriousPriest]

Do both 😎👍

[@francescovolpini]

@@FunkyDeleriousPriest or even better, make your own layout. i've switched keyboards 3 times, before i could even get to 100wpm. settled on this handmade one and works like a charm :P

[@KookoCraft]

@@francescovolpini ok good for you.

[@nicknorris1746]

hanging onto this... going to start building my own Kernel. Gonna name it ColonelBased... ...pushes up glasses and mouthbreathes...

[@nashfxlling]

Void just said "I do not conform"

[@BigYoshi826]

Let go your earthly tether Enter the void Empty, and become wind

[@SaltyNotSweat]

Mental Outlaw: *Posts a video about another linux flavor* The viewers: Where we're dropping?

[@jahmaldujon9010]

I'm definitely going to use this for how efficiently it uses the memory. I'm a longtime Debian user and it seems I might finally switch.

[@PunishedIvan]

I'm jamming out to Flute Salad. Idk if it's the OSRSBeatz remix or what but its banging. 👌

[@Epsilonsama]

musl might be better for embedded devices but for a normal desktop user glibc is much better. Most applications in GNU/Linux are built torwards glibc because after all it's called GNU/Linux with an emphasis on GNU so the glibc is the official C library.

[@breakpoint4869]

I remember listening to a presentation from an Alpine Linux developer about MUSL. He mentioned that every time MUSL support is added to a piece of software, that software becomes objectively better coded as a result.

[@sql64]

@@breakpoint4869 musl is slowet

[@niclasekwall]

Hey Mental Outlaw! I must upfront say that this might not be the place to ask this question but i don't know who to ask and you seem like you really know what you are talking about, with experience over the whole spectrum of Linux systems. So the thing is, I am a sound designer and have found a relationship between simple and clean code(I think) and sound quality. When going from windows/mac to Ubuntu this first became clear. Later I have been installing and messing around with jack etc to see what sounds the best. Recently, I found two major things creating a big step up in sounds quality; The first thing was using Tiling window managers(i3) and the second was trying Artix with OpenRC instead of Systemd, I can only guess this is because there is less simultaneous processing that have to be done and therefore less noise(the computer can focus on the rendering of the sound). I also tried the sound when starting apps without a window manager(directly in xorg i guess, as a kiosk system sort of..) and it sound very good, but not doable workflow tbh:) I dont focus on the ease of use that much at this point but reaper and pure data needs to work. It feels like I came to an and end point where Arch(systemd free), gentoo and void are interesting options to look into, am I right or would you point me in a different direction(I guess alpine is out because of musl together with DAWs?)? Also, I only used "normal" linux kernel, and I can only imagine having a custom kernel for my sound apps would not only bring better sound but also better performance and stability(is Gentoo the way to go....)? Sorry for the massive and maybe misplaced question. Maybe i can DM you about it? Thank you for a great channel!!!! Have a great day! /Niclas

[@DerKaia7]

Hey any updates on this ?

[@AgentFortySeven47]

5:39 that is some banger music

[@baumstamp5989]

what i dont understand is , what can actually be the drawbacks of using musl instead of glibc. is it ONLY about when i make/compile a program from source on that system? that it could be some incompatibility arising? or can there be problems also during normal use , or when i simply install programs via XBPS

[@ninetysixvoid]

software binaries not in the repo might have issues, especially with proprietary software like steam, and proprietary drivers, some games doesnt work either because they require glibc or because it needs 32 bit libraries which void musl doesnt support

[@baumstamp5989]

@@ninetysixvoid i see, thank you!!

[@delected]

void linux + dwm = based

[@MentalOutlaw]

yes, its time to rice dwm again.

[@ribosomerocker]

wayland is good, you should give it a try

[@TrolleyMC]

@61 Cygni wayland is pretty based, way better than running X

[@delected]

@@ribosomerocker I would use wayland if more apps supported it *cough* intellij *cough*

[@tylerdean980]

I have an old shit laptop with less than 1 gig of RAM, and void+DWM made it usable, idles around 90MB of RAM. I had to switch to antiX though, because I couldn’t get the wifi working with Void. I see the same level of performance.

[@Veshremy]

We love the distros

[@liggodoggo998]

Yo dawg

[@killertigergaming6762]

I honestly might used this next switching from manjaro this seems like one of the most based distros i have seen in a while

[@killertigergaming6762]

I finally switched to it tho i forgot about this video or this comment but i installed it recently switching from arch

[@mr.dingleberry4882]

@@killertigergaming6762 how is the experience so far?

[@killertigergaming6762]

@@mr.dingleberry4882 the experience was pretty good however i have since switched not due to anything like a bug or not supporting anything it was great in those regards but the repos are way to slow for xbps i get 1mbps download on arch xbps got around 100kbps just because there repos aren't as fast and there not as large of a project if not for that i might still be on it.

[@qbasic16]

Based and installed

[@donartmc7129]

I’ve been using arch recently, but void seems really nice, I like the installer a lot too.

[@FunkyDeleriousPriest]

What keyboard are you typing on? Sounds clacky like it might be a Unicomp and/or IBM Model M.

[@adjusted-bunny]

Kenny we could see in your reflections that you weren't dressed properly tsk tsk tsk. Once I installed Void in virtual box myself and I can confirm your findings. I am still sticking to Linux Mint Cinnamon and probably will for ever but Void would be my goto distro otherwise.

[@human__________]

you seem like a very complex individual.

[@stefanalecu9532]

I remember having a good time on Void, I think I used it for about a year until I distrohopped to idk, Fedora or Debian and pretty much haven't looked back at Void, it's pretty nice tho

[@EveryTuesdays]

based! commenting for the algorithm

[@magnusanderson6681]

Holy shit dvorak is the default? Never thought that I *wouldn't* have to change my keyboard when installing :P

[@G-u-z-i-o]

The installation music is really nice. (and yes, I know it was added in postprocessing)

[@dzvxo]

void is one of the very few ppc64 big endian distros with a 64 bit userland, cool stuff.

[@gabemurray5365]

loving the old school song

[@AchroDev]

Came for the Void Linux, stayed for the RuneScape soundtrack.

[@techbuildspcs]

Hey, so I built a kvm to finally get rid of windows from running on bare metal. Running windows ltsc in the vm. Issue is how do I make sure to make my vrm undetected? I can’t seem to find a way to change the network adapter, and drive names. Using virtio. All of them say RedHat disk or network adapter. You can’t seem to use vendor for Ethernet adapter or disks. Thanks

[@necuz]

My only real gripe with Void is their hard stance against packaging patched kernels, so getting fsync for Proton takes a bit of work.

[@human__________]

can you elaborate on this a bit? Will gaming on void be a constant battle? Or is updating to a custom kernel a simple enough process that it's not a big deal?

[@necuz]

@@human__________ As long as you pick the glibc version, gaming on Void will be no different than your current distro. No even remotely mainstream distro ships with a kernel that has fsync (or futex2 as it's known now) patched in. It's just that on e.g. Arch you can just pacman -Syu linux-zen to get it, on Void you end up compiling the kernel yourself. However, this is something that only affects some games running via Proton, but the performance difference can be the difference between a stuttering mess and flawless smoothness.

[@human__________]

@@necuz alright, thanks

[@pisanvs]

I was literally just looking at your channel and got the notification

[@kaiser1794]

This is gonna spund nuts but I was doing the exact same thing haha

[@jhny0]

Another void linux vid to consoom

[@Why72833]

Also I recommend using the flatpak version of firefox from it due to to drm problems on musl

[@reecescott3559]

Nice video man!! Keep up the good work!

[@Tgspartnership]

I thought I just saw the Turin shroud staring into your console window. Spooked me out until I realised there was a person reflected on a monitor

[@N.S.A.]

Are there any distros that support tablet interfaces without keyboard and mouse?

[@toasterenthusiast6188]

Ubuntu with the gnome desktop focuses on touch interface

[@W1ldTangent]

Gnome is probably the best for adapting for touch interface, but you need a bunch of shell extensions to make it workable. Besides those I use to get a more Windows-like interface, I use an improved on-screen keyboard, and one that puts a button in the tray to activate OSK accessibility setting without having to go through the settings app. Then it's just down to whether or not your touchscreen has good driver support. Many of them don't work particularly well (or at all) with Wayland, so you'll probably need to stick to X. Also if it doesn't work out of the box, you'll very likely need a binary driver (ick)...

[@N.S.A.]

Yeah. It's the lack of any right click for surface tablets that gets me.

[@9a3eedi]

As a user, not a developer, why would you use musl instead of glibc on a normal modern system, when glibc is tried and true and has gone through a lot more development time and fixes?

[@jcs27]

“it’s not based on arch or debian, it’s just based” based on what?

[@Jorge-xf9gs]

B A S E D

[@uvuvwevwevweossaswithglasses]

B A S E D on Mainline

[@marcello4258]

how is gaming w/ musl.. DXVK, wine, proton, steam, lutris, NVIDIA driver..... ? If you are interested in having a GNU free OS.. like mentioned in the beginning.. Toybox got you covered.. or even busybox

[@mirzaiscandle]

based

[@Gamer-ct6hb]

I've used it since this video came out. Until now. I'm a learning person so of course I was trying to get the most minimal system possible. In that mission I tried to install ubase and sbase. But apparently Void Linux really likes using sed with GNU only commands. They also abandoned LibreSSL which you could see in this video when he updated the machine. It's just sad that they slowly are making it worse. So now I'm creating my own distro. With a suckless mindset. BearSSL with every suckless utility and the Linux Kernel. Should be good enough. Yes. It's possible to create an entire install with only suckless utilitys. Since ubase contains getty and all that required stuff. It should boot pretty fast. Though the hardest part will be customizing the Linux Kernel since... I've never gotten my custom built one to boot. Always get some weird errors. Like it not supporting btrfs. I don't use btrfs.

[@AL-Hanafi1]

Any updates bro ??

[@Speykious]

When the 2 most liked comments are about "It's not based on Arch or Debian, it's just b a s e d", you know you made a good pun

[@yoshi314]

isn't it possible to run steam via docker or flatpak on musl version? i distinctly recall someone saying that void supports that for certain apps that require glibc. but i could be wrong.

[@shlomiunger3518]

Linux noob here.. What's wrong with systemd?

[@gabe_dunn]

USSLE! That's how it's pronounced?? I can't believe I've been under the impression that it was pronounced more like muesli, but cut short! This makes a lot more sense...

[@HorrorUberAlles]

Kenny! a bit of a stretch, but will you ever review PostmarketOS?

[@GS-xp5jq]

I'm loving the Runescape trap music in these ahahaa

[@MelroyvandenBerg]

Ps. after 2 years they reduced support of various DEs, so only XFCE, due to testing reasons. However, you still should be able to get the base image and install mate, cinnamon, lxde or whatever you want.

[@MelroyvandenBerg]

But I LOVE Void Linux!

[@benezen]

void is great linux distro. it is on my fully upgraded thinkpad x220. and i cant escape.

[@JM-ct9lg]

The runescape music 👍

[@thomashanson3476]

Hands down best distro for an old Thinkpad, unfortunately they don't support musl for the 32 bit variant. I just can't afford to let my system be bogged down with soystem d and bloatware, for performance and memory reasons.

[@raphaelcardoso7927]

I come for the runescape music

[@raphaelcardoso7927]

I just installed void, what the fuck?

[@Sk0lzky]

I've never heard of this distro but the name is so cool imma try it

[@noanyobiseniss7462]

algo go up

[@jonathannerat]

I want to like void but I just miss the AUR too much, is there any way to get around that?

[@gogogogogogogogogogog9]

can you tell us what does htop read in terms of ram usage from your laptop ?

[@tylerdean980]

I notice you’ve been using XFCE a lot, did you give up on DWM?

[@tylerdean980]

@kelmi666 That's fine, I was asking about mental outlaw in particular. I use DWM and Cinnamon myself. It can be difficult for other users to use a window manager system. Especially with all the custom keybinds, and perhaps cryptic launchers like dmenu and rofi, and on top of that they'd have to know what programs are installed too, where a desktop gives you a menu.

[@Tala2n]

I tried to install a desktopless Void two times, because I want bspwm. Everytime the shell is unable to change the keyboard region properly, the second time I had random log lines printed in the shell even if I do nothing ! Alpine install was a much better experience even if it requires more steps. Alpine basis just looks better, even for building a desktop setup. And also the package manager is easier to use.

[@whythosenames]

Do you have a video where you give your opinion to rpm based distros like centos/rockylinux or fedora?

[@Bagginsess]

Void's "Rosetta Stone" page on the wiki is pure gold

[@fernandomota7193]

5:55 LoL , best part

[@pnnytx]

no systemd and gnu truly sigma operating system

[@michaelplaczek9385]

Void is Based

[@waaaaaaah5135]

Gonna get an older computer soon...Void Linux looks really interesting, but Gentoo has piqued my interest for a while now. Not sure yet which I'll go with

[@camthesaxman3387]

I don't recommend Gentoo. The long compile times are a pain, especially on slower hardware.

[@paulspl2581]

Yeah, don't go with gentoo. Compiling this on old hardware is a real pain. Void runs great on my old old toshiba laptop (200mb ram idle)

[@killertigergaming6762]

Dude my gaming pc took hours to install gentoo and I didn't even finish the install i went halfway in and just quit because it was taking way to long and im not waiting days to have my pc setup

[@LaCr34tura]

It's just based

[@catcam]

Thanks for that !

[@TheLazyJAK]

Dvorak is bae

[@breadmoth6443]

It is a rolling-release, but the latest release was in Feb? Did development just stall or cease?

[@tylerdean980]

There is still a team working on it, but the main developer dropped off the face of the earth a while back

[@breadmoth6443]

@@tylerdean980 I'm sure its fine, I'm sure he's fine.................................

[@mehmetkaraman3710]

you don't need updated iso's every month like arch. it pretty reliable to handle those updates without breaking. void linux is quite active.

[@otakumo4051]

I T 'S J U S T B A S E D

[@aprilnya]

DAAAAMN THE OSRS BEATS THO

[@EnderGM_Tech34]

Btw, i use void.. its my main systems now :)

[@wacesferpit]

more based than this: Alpine

[@alphabeta9451]

You’re based

[@replikvltyoutube3727]

Beware that musl doesn't have multilib, so no games except foss ones. Wine needs multilib for most software, same as Steam

[@remiremiremi111]

youmu a cute

[@CyberTechSRB]

Can you make a similar video but for FreeBSD?

[@Alexanderkermani]

Based Void. Can one get around using systemd on Gentoo?

[@d1ssolv3r]

gentoo uses openRC

[@mikeashi7172]

Can you show installing void with full disk encryption 😅😅

[@ponirvea]

I don't think it's supported by their installer, but project-trident's fork of void-installer uses iirc btrfs with full disk encryption or maybe ZFS, not sure

[@linuxnormie]

5:39 OMG that midi 🤣

[@syrefaen]

mpv is the best video player.

[@saltyowl3229]

Absolutely no need to have install music go so hard, but it did

[@ImWoolly]

pog

[@gettriggered_ian3269]

Void is the best minimal just works distro

[@notafbihoneypot8487]

If only void worked on the pinephone

[@sinisasinkovic4334]

Does the sound work out of the box?

[@callisoncaffrey]

Firejail doesn't really work. Nor does swap encryption if you use /etc/crypttab. Also i had to remount proc manually to get hidepid=2 to work. The last thing might have been fixed by now, the other two I ran in again recently. Edit: Also the documentation doesn't mention anymore that some mainboards need the efi file to be: ../boot/BOOTX64.efi or it won't show up in boot selection. It did before.

[@sevenhecks]

king

[@zecekobold2140]

I have void living on virtual box, musl-c version. I like it, and should stop being lazy and actually learn the ins and outs and use it properly. I go months between updates and it never has a problem with that.