Luma-1 vs LM-1 sound comparison

[@Digiphex]

I like your passion for recreating this.

[@SpikesStudio3]

Is roger still kicking? Surely he would love to see his creation reborn. Its a wonderful thing you have done here. Kudos, on the highest level. Im sure it was frought with heartache. 🥇🎛🎚

[@TheOneJPtv]

yes, he's still alive (68 years old)

[@MarkRoss-v4y]

Owned and sold an LM1. Extremely impressed with what i'm seeing/hearing here, looking forward to hi-res audio examples and an idea on pricing. Keep up the great work!

[@notreally-sf3df]

1. Price already announced ages ago, $4,995 2. full quality output files in description....

[@saulocisneros]

Please don’t get even a little bit discouraged by internet trolls or entitled opinions that don’t have any idea of personal, mental, emotional, psychological, professional investment that you put into this project. It is an amazing piece of work made out of love. Please carry on :)

[@gonreebgonreeb]

I have downloaded the mp3, sorry but the Luma 1 sounds less punchy that the real LM1, groove is not the same. With Lm1 I want to dance, with LUma 1 I stay on my chair

[@oscillationcommunications709]

Brilliant stuff! Bravo,Keep up the great work! ⚡️

[@loalrecords]

sounds amazing

[@Mick-Ozz]

you did the demo by recording the sound through a room mic? my head just exploded

[@DeftAudio]

It won't if you'd read the description, source files are available too.

[@briancoyne6700]

Sounds great! I'd like to see you tune the voices. Thanks.

[@NOWtheband]

04:50 - A replication of the 1999 rhythm perhaps? 🙂

[@DeftAudio]

Not a replica though :) It was recovered from Prince LM-1 that was used for live shows (still belongs to original musicians). We can't share a data dump but we were allowed to play it on Luma-1 and record it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/opnTgGmNeJh_r8k

[@NOWtheband]

@@DeftAudio - So, nothing was reprogrammed or done by you at all? Very nice, in that case. You're lucky to have got the original, if that's what it is. Anyway, I did get the song pattern correct then = Goody goody gumdrops, ha ha! 🙂 Nice video. A beautiful machine. I hope an affordable copy is made one day.

[@michaelmasuda7096]

There’s one more sound that wasn’t accessed here that Prince loved to use, which was different from the “clap” sound. It’s more of a “pop” sound but I’ve never been able to figure out if it is a stock sound or something that needs to be installed as an expansion. It’s distinctly different from the “clap” tone and wondering if your machine has it as part of the arsenal. Prince used it a LOT as an accent tone in his programmed rhythms from “1999” onwards. Anyways, thanks for the demo-your drum machine is an amazing replica!

[@bladebrown4191]

Those sounds came from the Pearl Syncussion

[@kirkkeyesphoto]

This is awesome, Joe and Andrei! When are you guys going to recreate a hardware Fairlight IIx? 😄

[@sneakyalien101]

It's very clever stuff. Bravo! If I could have one wish it would have been that you kept the original colour scheme of the LM-1. That Orange/Brown combo looks really cool; maybe it is a legal issue why you had to change the colour scheme? Amazing work to re-create the LM-1.

[@DeftAudio]

We thought it won't be right. The color palette evolved during production runs and faded differently on units in a filed. It'll be always somebody who see the difference to the original units. Another reason is readability in the dark environment. It's hard to see on LM-1.

[@relaxmax6808]

Yes, that would have given it an extra soul in my opinion. Aside from knowing an industry that is capable of reproducing the hull with the identical design: this will remain a dream.

[@WillieFourMilli]

nice build

[@Usul]

The clap doesn't sound tuned the same way, but other than that I couldn't hear any difference through the mic. Great work. Wish I had the $$$ to buy one.

[@Ashfaq1999]

Great video. I played around with an original Lm1 in a music store in london uk back in the 80’s. Luma has done a great job here. Linndrum for the future ?

[@johnmeroney2007]

Clap bait with Roger being in the thumbnail photo :)

[@Firealarm102]

will there be a diy kit?

[@CrisBlyth]

JOE BRITT FOR THE WIN !! . wait, he's not a Brit ? :) great stuff guys, simply wonderful stuff.

[@isatellite]

“More cowbell…” LOL

[@tylergates4075]

🙄

[@klinkske]

So you swapped the button board and fader board and display board on the lm-1 to look just like the luma 😀 didn’t t the original fader buttons fit to the new faders?

[@DeftAudio]

It has a big history. Many Luma-1 parts are designed to retrofit the original LM-1. This way we can support all original LM-1 customers no matter of it's damage and repair needs. That LM-1 had serious issues with it's panel. So it was completely replaced. The drum board is still fine. Original fader caps won't fit new production faders (I mean, they may fit with some rework but aren't designed for them). There are new production fader caps that match the looks nicely. You'll find it in our Instagram :)

[@aceyage]

Sounds the same through an untreated room and the camera mic.

[@alceenolasco]

They sound really similar and I would like to buy one. However is it me or is the LM-1 is more punchy?

[@gonreebgonreeb]

Yes LM1 sounds more punchy

[@prometheus963]

I would love to purchase one! Is this still possible?

[@AdamBorseti]

When can I buy one?

[@DeftAudio]

www.deftaudio.com Fully assembled units or kits for DIY builders.

[@thirstyCactus]

Nice video, but recording audio output through the air, plus the camera's compression makes critical listening very difficult. I'd like to hear theses side-by-side with recording of direct outputs.

[@DeftAudio]

Hi, already posted. Check the link in the description.

[@thirstyCactus]

@@DeftAudio Ah, thanks. Sorry about that.

[@klinkske]

Will luma1 knobs and buttons work on a LM-1? I have a friend that needs some parts.

[@DeftAudio]

Luma-1 front panel consists of three boards - a small board for 2-digit LEDs, a mixer board with faders and top pots and the large board with all other buttons. The mixer board of LM-1 is different, see it has one row of pots only. Other boards are cross compatible (including a pinout) and we have LM-1 mixer board too (with one row of pots). Those go as fully assembled pieces or kits. The buttons or pots alone wouldn't fit into LM-1 PCB.

[@jtsmith1817]

4:50 DON’T. WORRY. I WON’T HURT YOU. I ONLY WANT YOU TO HAVE SOME FUN.

[@stevenzagony6187]

I own an original serial #202

[@blasegangbeats1865]

Are there going to be original lindrum sounds there as well?

[@DeftAudio]

Yes, the original set LM-1 and Linndrum sounds included with Roger Linn's permission.

[@denversos]

Hello, there are the same old detachable eprom chips? or were the eproms replaced by non-detachable models?

[@DeftAudio]

It no longer needs eproms, all sounds are reloadable on a fly from the SD card inside. However, there is still one EPROM socket. It's made for dumping purpose, i.e. if you have ERPOMs from other drum machines, Luma-1 can dump those for you, save ti to a file and play.

[@denversos]

@DeftAudio ah OK good.

[@MadACeTeeMack]

Nice Prince sound

[@danieleden1856]

Looks and sounds amazing (even on youtubes murder compression audio)... Please please please let their be a DIY of this...

[@DeftAudio]

DIY version is in consideration for the next spring. Can't promise more at this point.

[@baddriddimworkshop]

Bravo !

[@jakefisher8788]

Nice machine !!

[@LFOVCF]

Literally nobody could tell the difference, or would a listener care. It's 99.9% identical.

[@gonreebgonreeb]

I have downloaded the mp3, sorry but the Luma 1 sounds less punchy that the real LM1, groove is not the same. With Lm1 I want to dance, with LUma 1 I stay on my chair 😐

[@shane54nz]

What song were those patterns from?

[@tyromelive2851]

Prince 1999

[@isham16]

Thank you for doing this comparison, beautiful reverse engineering ! Any chance to have direct recordings of this comparison? Ok it is in the description!!!

[@spyrock247]

Very cool, if you could swap sounds I could maybe justify buying this

[@DeftAudio]

of course you can do that. docs.google.com/document/d/1lMpf_hxEowHj17OOYUnFA0CFBJVko2yriB4OuzB97mE/edit#heading=h.z3gy4tkm606 What you can't is to order it now, since the pre-order window is closed and we're executing.

[@halenmartini6705]

if only this had audioscopes

[@VacTrooper]

🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@arnaldocap0]

Wow. Sounds a bit different when the sequencer is running. Just a bit, not better not worse. Very cool. PRO!

[@philippezsiga1125]

No matter the sound, it s a clone costing nearly the same price of an original one

[@DeftAudio]

That's not quite right.

[@philippezsiga1125]

There s no intention from me to depreciate this project. I hate software emulation. But a non official new edition ( if u don t want to call it “” a clone””” ) at a high end price is an issue. No one will be interested to buy a fake Ferrari even if you make a nearly same engine and car design. Why you didn’t team up with Roger Linn to issue a re-edit of the LM1 under the brand Roger Linn Design ?

[@philippezsiga1125]

I have a 808 , DMX , Cr78 and bought the Rossum sp1200 . I would never have bought the Isla s2400 for the reasons above . Nevertheless i am inpressed by your knowledge and it s great to still have people able to recreate a Linn Drum or fix a Fairlight Cmi.

[@DeftAudio]

@@philippezsiga1125 www.rogerlinndesign.com/about/joe-britt

[@DeftAudio]

@@philippezsiga1125 just read this www.rogerlinndesign.com/about/joe-britt

[@nicedevices]

Can you please plug in for a clean line signal? Calling it a sound comparison and playing it back over a speaker into a phone mic is a joke

[@DeftAudio]

It's in the description already

[@spurv]

@@DeftAudio But ... why not just use line signal in the video? 🤔

[@DeftAudio]

@@spurv those links are from longer session which also gives you a chance to listen for any tempo variability artifacts on both.

[@tekis0]

These people WHINING about using a "camera mic" and "take this video down..." probably don't have the money to buy this awesome recreation. Just go back to your Cakewalk or whatever.

[@Хрясь-Карась]

The sound from the phone microphone?🥴

[@isham16]

See in the description 😅

[@MrDudumassa]

Using ambient sound 😢

[@tihinter]

Wonderful machine, that you built there! Sadly there is absolutely no point in shooting a smartphone video "showing" sounds while being compressed to death by a crappy phone mic. Moving yourself in front of the speaker on the floor doesn't help either, I'm afraid. To be honest, I would erase this from YT, if I were you. No hard feelings, I could imagine buying one of yours next year, since I'm a huge LM1 fan and I admire and appreciate all the work you spent in making this dream come true! But please, better quality vids!

[@DeftAudio]

Just check the description and download those files recorded straight form line out.

[@kid.forever]

@@DeftAudio Great video, straightforward and easy to follow. Excited to learn/see more, subscribed!

[@tihinter]

@@DeftAudio thanks for the clarification, I will surely do that. But it would have been much easier, if you would have cut that into the YT-clip at the moments where sound is on ficus - it’s not that hard.

[@DeftAudio]

@@tihinterThose recordings are from different session.

[@tihinter]

@@DeftAudio ah, now I understand. Thanx for your answer. And keep it coming, I’d love to see more in depth analysis videos, esp. of the “freerunning” Hihat noise and the microtiming quirks of the vintage machine.

[@reverentpsycho]

joeb

[@saltedmutton7269]

joseph britain

[@sandwich-breath]

State of the art technology for 1980. It’s beautifully crafted and very impressive… but incredibly dated. A sampler inside any DAW with a sample pack provides the same for a fraction.

[@spurv]

Incredibly wrong.

[@sandwich-breath]

@@spurv wrong that its dated? or wrong that it's function can be duplicated in a DAW for a fraction of the price? your comment makes no sense because my assessment is 100% factual.

[@tekis0]

@@sandwich-breathIt's 100% your opinion.

[@sandwich-breath]

@@tekis0 to each their own, it’s a lovely piece of gear. Congrats to the designer for their achievement. Cost and efficiency are my metrics for hardware these days.

[@calvin808]

Would love to hear the sounds thru direct feed, and not a microphone in a room.

[@DeftAudio]

The link in the description for those.

[@calvin808]

@@DeftAudio *red face* youre the best. cool machine!!