Lumity is Perfect | The Owl House

[@a_piece_of_trash4079]

lumity was the reason i was like "hey, its ok to be lesbian!" thats why i love it so much

[@MxZui]

I used to think I hated romance in stories because I was so accustomed to toxic or outright abusive relationships being presented as "cute" or worse "healthy", but then I saw relationships written like Lumity and I realized the issue was the delivery, not a lack of interest on my part. It's genuinely sad and deeply concerning just how many people call Lumity "boring" because their relationship isn't filled with arguments, insults, or physical assault which many stories portray (or for some reason interpretted by the audiences as) "passionate", "exciting", or "spicy" 🤢 Lumity is perfect specifically because it isn't perfect! They each have their own flaws and issues that sometimes negatively effect their relationship, but they have genuine respect and care for each other and practice healthy communication and are both EQUALLY willing to put in the necessary work to resolve their problems without ever resorting to blaming, belittling, or attacking each other! It's unfortunate just how rare it is to see a romantic relationship experience conflict that isn't born of literal abuse or resentment, and Lumity being a queer couple is honestly just a bonus! I want more m/f and m/m relationships portrayed like Lumity! (And more queer male characters in general because they are SEVERELY lacking and that's not fair!) The icing on the cake is Lumity helps and encourages each other to grow, but they also each continue growing and expanding their personal arcs outside of their relationship through their own solo experiences and healthy relationships with other people! Their own personal relationships with friends and family are never brushed aside or undervalued by themselves or the narrative (another gross and unfortunate trend that needs to END) and it's honestly so amazing that kids get to see this! I absolutely adore how Lumity is written; how organic, natural, and sincere it is, and how their relationship is born of respect and friendship, but never becomes the number one most important priority of their lives that overshadows any other aspect of their lives (yet another problematic trend that needs to stop...) Tldr: Lumity didn't just set the golden standard for queer relationships and representation, but also healthy, well written relationships in general! 💗💜💙

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

"Lumity is perfect specifically because it isn't perfect" is such a great way of putting it!

[@oprime]

We definitely need more healthy relationships of ANY kind in the media, which in turn will lead to more healthy relationships with not just lovers but family as well which will also lead to less abuse of any kind from bullying to all other kinds. Because when you can communicate in a healthy way, it'll affect the ways people can see you and you see them. I think that The Owl House definitely set a high bar in that regards.

[@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel]

The problem with their relationship isn't that it's not toxic, it's that it essentially overwrote Amity's established character in a single episode. And that the personality it got replaced with is, well, frankly, it's just a bit boring and bland. Not to mention the direct opposite of the person she was a day before. If someone asked me to describe Amity's character, I would honestly struggle for a moment. "She uh.. she's kinda reserved, and a bit uncertain but nice, I guess?" You can have a healthy relationship and still make it interesting. And if they don't want an elitist bully as part of a relationship, then, honestly, they just shouldn't have their character date the elitist bully.

[@ke4869]

Lumity is a modern masterpiece among animated couples. Their relationship feel so genuinely and relatable that it hard not to smile when the two of them are on screen together.

[@rachelhansen2417]

The show definitely helped me to recognize, work through, and reject my own homophobia. Media is powerful!

[@MinecraftWorld1954]

The thing that makes Lumity the best romantic relationship I've ever seen in any piece of media is that, not only is the relationship built up with a believable yet not rushed dynamic with two characters that serve as perfect for each other, but the relationship doesn't define their characters. In every other story, the relationship either never blossoms, or it does and it just becomes the entire defining trait of one or both of the characters. Here, both sides still fell like or straight up do have lives beyond being a couple. For Luz, we see the adventures she goes on, and for Amity, we know some of her personal life, and we still get the sense that she has more going on with our knowledge of her personal life. The relationship doesn't become their entire lives, just a part of it.

[@toon4thought]

The "Friends" smack-talk is so mean yet so deserved.

[@mackielunkey2205]

Another example that pisses me off IMO is Otis and Maeve's relationship from Sex Education. One of the aspects why I stopped after the second season because I felt that they've dragged the artificial will-they relationship drama for too long instead of confirming them as a couple or not and going from there.

[@c-boagames261]

Crazy how awful Ross and Rachel is and how loved Chandler and Monica is😂

[@josephedmondson1969]

My feeling on why Lumity works so well is how it was handled. It was, as you said, a healthy relationship that didn't spring out from nowhere. And it works because of the characters of Luz and Amity. Both start off as rivals that gradually form a connection through friendship then into a romance. And it works for Amity's character growth as well as she changes through the seasons! And it's my sincerest hope that shows like this paves the way for more queer representations like this.

[@mackielunkey2205]

5:14 Dana Terrace stated that the reasoning for Owl House's cancellation was due to it being serialized, but considering how Dana reacted so satisfyingly after leaving Disney on Instagram, and how Gravity Falls wasn't cancelled due to its serialization, I think it was definitely the LGBTQ+ stuff.

[@thedarkassassin0116]

If it was about LGBTQ+ representation, they would’ve turned Dana away when she pitched the show to them. They allowed the show to shine, but the ratings on Disney TV were poor in their opinion. That’s why they canceled it. Big mistake of course. Dana of course is fine moving away from Disney, as she did burned some bridges with them due to the Don’t Say Gay Bill. Plus, what she wants to do is not what Disney TV wants, so if she wants to do another serialized show, either they negotiate to have it on Disney Plus or she looks for alternatives.

[@snakes3425]

The one thing we all agree on is Dana changed disney forever and her place in history is assured

[@TherealRNOwwfpooh]

@@thedarkassassin0116 The thing is, there is the fact that Bob Iger was CEO when _The Owl House_ was greenlit, but when Bob Chapek became CEO during season 1 going into season 2B, the showrunners were told that the show was going to be cut down. By the time Bob Iger came back to replace Bob Chapek as CEO once again, the writing was on the wall for _The Owl House_ and it was forced to air its 3rd season as a trio of 45-minute episodic specials.

[@fletcheragenda6014]

showrunners aren't always clear with what queer stuff they plan. both rebecca sugar and nate stevenson have said they snuck in garnet and catradora. the viewing figures were really good for an independent disney plus show. it was beating out several star wars and marvel shows too.

[@vicmanelguapo1678]

No guys, Alex always wanted to end gravity falls in season 2, so he ended it when he wanted They even offered him a third season

[@ChaosEnthusiast]

thank you toh for portraying not only a queer couple (actually multiple technically), but also a genuinely healthy relationship without all that really annoying misunderstanding tropeyness

[@philly_sports1558]

I've loved my fair share of cartoon couples over the years but Lumity stands above them all in my opinion. Amity's individual arc was fantastic, the pacing of each step of their relationship was phenomenal, the two of them are absolutely adorable together, they handle their issues in a healthy way, and it's clear just how much they are in love with one another from each scene they share with each other. They warmed my heart more than any other fictional couple I've ever seen.

[@cartoonloverzxc3237]

It’s my favorite series of all time Lumity is the cherry on top of the cartoon

[@emiljannbrahmeyer]

Yes, this is a perfect relationship indeed. The love relationship between Luz and Amity in the Disney series The Owl House is so beautiful and so wonderful. And it always makes me extremely happy to see these two characters together. I especially enjoy and love the moments they are kissing each other, they are holding hands, they lean their heads to each other and they look deeply into their eyes. These are so romantic and so heavenly moments. This is such a wonderful feeling that I feel whenever I see the characters Luz and Amity together. Thinking of this adorable relationship always makes me extremely happy. This is true. And this is one of the main reasons why I love to watch this Disney series so much.

[@Drawing_with_lillian]

As a Bisexual adult woman the show hit so hard in so many ways for myself.

[@Rat2rrj]

The out of the closet joke made me laugh out loud dude, rock on

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

Thanks for watching!!

[@randomspider725]

As an aroace who’s tired of romance in non-romantic stories, Lumity gets my stamp of approval! It’s amazing what you can do with good writing and great presentation.

[@OffTrackEpisodic]

wonderful video! the queerness of the Owl House is nothing short of revolutionary and you so beautifully put why that's so and they're so important to the gay canon! 🏳‍🌈

[@thequestioner6475]

I will always appreciate that video about how lumity isn't rushed because that is the video that started originally got me into the owl house which is now one of my favorite shows. Your video helped me find one of my favorite fandoms ever. I also usually hate romances in my stories and think they are boring and detract from the interesting stuff but lumity is different in that I ship them as hard as everyone else and I love getting to see them together. Dana and the crew did such a good job writing that relationship and that is what makes it so amazing

[@Itachi45481]

It really shows how each lgbtq content get better each time, but each time it has to continue fight inch by inch to be seen

[@Deinonuchus]

One aspect not covered in the video is that in closing of the series we see that Luz and Amity are still together and still happy three years later. That not only is their relationship healthy, it lasts.

[@AlanaPaton-q6b]

These two, beautiful, dimension crossed lovers, who help to prove that love can cross boundaries.

[@BunnyKid_aka_CosmicKid]

Great video!! You just made this already obsessed fan of TOH even more happy with you giving the best details why Lumity works Lumity will always be my favorite Disney and LGBT+ couple of all time So well written, supportive of each other, and being so cute together 💙💜

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

thanks for watching! c:

[@BunnyKid_aka_CosmicKid]

@@CurmudgeonMedia yw :)

[@savannahszabo1875]

Lumity IS perfect!!!!! We are so very blessed to have The Owl House, I can only dream that more art of this caliber will follow!

[@majiel2709]

Well worth the wait and yes it is perfect

[@heckporter]

I loved the original video that was done! It was very good. I love this one, too. I find the argument that Lumity is boring and such so annoying. I have always been annoyed by manufactured relationship drama so unnecessarily shoved in. I prefer it when a couple deals with outside forces together as a unit, something Luz and Amity do so well and so maturely, especially at such a young age. I’m quite sad that with TOH over, it seems like we can surely say that the era of creator controlled, continuity-having, character & story driven cartoons from the 2010’s era that began with Adventure Time is at an end. Disney’s looking at primarily non serialized shows going forward for TV airing. I’m hoping we still get shows with queer themes and queer creators/crew members like we have been, but it seems like time will tell.

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed! imma miss the owl house. this video feels like the last video I'll make about it, which is itself an odd feeling for me

[@kevinmorris3200]

Disney is basically saying that episodic shows are for television and serialized shows are for streaming

[@JulesIsTall]

Lumity has to easily be one of the greatest written relationships i've seen on a show lgbtq+ or not the pacing and everything and their interactions are just perfect it's not a bunch of needless drama and fighting it's just 2 young girls in love

[@zoesakurablossom5327]

What a delightfully insightful video! Thank you for all the good points. Let's hope future creators take Lumity as an example for a fantastic queer relationship :') also 8:21 made me start absolutely wheezing with laughter, 10 out of 10

[@fletcheragenda6014]

I'm nervous to see what comes next. it seems like the world is pushing back against us harder than we can prepare and fight back. this goes for studios too. there has always been a show to take the torch from the last but this time, it feels like an end of an era. there hasn't been a big explosion of queer shows, it's all been very linear and I'm afraid that ends with disney putting their foot down. I've loved all of these shows. i have a deep respect for rebecca sugar, ian jones quartey nate stevenson and dana terrace and all the other amazing people. lumity has been such a joy to watch and I've loved (mostly) getting to take part in this fandom. lumity, catradora and bubbline will always have a big place in my heart.

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

For whatever it's worth, it seems Rebecca Sugar is writing a movie with Matt Braly, so I'm curious to see what comes about from that

[@Un_random_de_internet.]

Disney needs a big change or to go down, artists should have freedom to create any story.... I guess right now only youtube gives this privilege currently...

[@matt0044]

i often try to be fair with certain shows that make a push but can only do so much as they know that the network's hammer can come down hard. That said, those that show boldness in the face of certain cancellation earn more of my respect. Live and let die as I always say. Though in fairness for Miraculous, I've seen them recently make stride with a certain secondary character actually crush on the main titular character. While not endgame as the cool kids say, it's something that seems keen to explore from a pining sense.

[@MTTT19]

I grew up in the 90’s and I think most of us can agree that that decade was not known for being the nicest to the LGBTQIA+ community. One day when I was at work, I thought to myself, “I wonder if shows like The Owl House have made a difference for the younger generation?” Later on in the day, a group of teenage girls came into my work and two of them were holding hands and kissing. Looks like The Owl House has made a difference and it’s good to see the younger generation feel like they don’t have to hide or be ashamed of who they are. The Owl House, I salute you!

[@Un_random_de_internet.]

Leyend of korra had a bigger problem than korra and asami being a couple, and that's when the authors wanted to make a story without the kind of storytelling that made the last airbender so great as a serie... The owl house sets a pretty good example on how you can portrait a lesbian couple with a healthy relationship. And the best part, the audience actually liked it.

[@Sushidogbat]

Agree with your end game relationship. Honestly the start of a relationship is like what it is the start of a relationship. Getting in a relationship is one thing but staying together is a whole different thing. I think lumity does this well. They have conflict in their relationship but it feel organic not shove in for drama. Along with you can see how their relatioship grow

[@skyechen2673]

omg, you included clips from Pantheon. loved that show too!

[@Jurassicparkfan1025]

I absolutely love this show 😊😊😊

[@Equalizer4]

Before I watched toh for this first time this year, Lumity was the aspect I heard most about and I never understood the hype around it. Then I decided to watch the show for myself a few weeks back and after finishing it, yeah I can definitely see why ppl hype the ship as much as they do and the more I think about it, the better it is. Definitely one of my favorite ships of all time now.

[@CJStantonion]

Anyone going to talk about how he kind of sounds like Phillip in the beginning?

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

I get this CONSTANTLY 😂 it's true tho, no point denying it 😔

[@CJStantonion]

@@CurmudgeonMedia it was the only thing i could think about 😭

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

@@CJStantonion I'm sorry that's just what my voice sounds like c':

[@WDB2005]

I love it, although I’m gonna be honest I think Enchanting Grom Night was a reason why the first season of TOH got more attention considering it was receiving negative reviews

[@TherealRNOwwfpooh]

There's also the fact that overseas dubs tend to undercut (or outright omit) the Lumity relationship (which likely means ending _The Owl House_ before the ship fully takes off or taking the more overt romantic moments between them out of the series entirely if they decide to continue running it), such as the Taiwanese dub changing the asking out scene from "Knock, Knock, Knocking On Hooty's Door" from "will you go out with me" to "let's dress up & travel together".

[@0ofersIzMyCatchphrase]

As a conservative myself, I enjoyed everything about The Owl House. Lumity becoming canon never bothered me. In fact, I have OCs who are LGBTQ+, with three gay couples, and this is coming from a Republican(future Republican, as I'll be one when I turn 18 next year)

[@MarzPlaysYT]

2:56 ok but can we talk about how Catra isn't even toxic anyway. her best friend of her entire life literally left her for the people their organization is against. you cant really lame her for being so rude and arrogant. also Lumity is actually my fav ship like ever its just so comforting and I don't know why its just a masterpiece

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

I'm 100% a catra defender but I am not of the mind that she did nothing wrong. Catra is a terrific character whose arc is written very well, but that arc is still a redemption arc, and that redemption is grounded in the acute knowledge that Catra did a lot of things very, very wrong. Adora can, if nothing else, plead ignorance before being presented with irrefutable evidence that the horde were evil colonizers. Catra, on the other hand, outright says out loud that she knows the Horde were evil from the start and basically didn't care, displaying her highly mercenary and callous attitude from the start. In the face of literal war crimes, Catra's feelings of abandonment don't excuse the things she does, and that's completely intentional on the writers' part. Catra IS Toxic--she's Toxic to Adora, to Scorpia, to Entrapta. She literally sentences Entrapta to death by exposure for trying to go back on what was a disastrous science experiment with world-ending consequences, entirely for the sake of her own ego. The important thing to keep in mind here is that this doesn't mean Catra is beyond redemption. I LOVE Catra, I love how she's written, and I love that she won me over in the end. Red from Overly Sarcastic Productions put it best in saying that if we reserve redemption only for the characters who basically didn't do anything wrong, is it really redemption at all?

[@MarzPlaysYT]

@@CurmudgeonMedia yeah i get that and i agree but there was no way that they couldve known the organization was evil. Obviously we find out catra did and i think the reason she didnt leave is because there wouldnt be anywhere for her to go. but i agree

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

@@MarzPlaysYT ​Adora didn't know because Adora is--bless her cotton socks--not known for her blistering intelligence. And again, I simply disagree with you. Catra could have gone with Adora. I think Catra stayed because she felt betrayed by Adora, abandoned by her. Is that a reasonable reaction to have? No. But it's one which is perfectly in-keeping with the profile of her character which had been established up to that point, and her choice to act rashly on that unfounded sense of betrayal is an important factor in our understanding of her. I think Catra stayed for a slew of egocentric reasons that make perfect sense in the context of her character because the show is well-written. I think that we need to avoid the trap of defending the actions of characters we like on the grounds that we like those characters. I understand and sympathize with that impulse--when we feel affinity towards a character, it's natural to want everything they do to be excusable or just or honest. But that would be inauthentic to the reality that people can and often do commit awful things, or act in ways which are entirely self-motivated. When Catra reaches her low point and is given a brutal but accurate scolding my double-trouble, it is a necessary and deserved scolding. Catra was often cruel, brutal, violent, and selfish. And that's what makes her redemption all the more brilliant and meaningful. What matters is not that "catra did nothing wrong" (and I wish people would stop saying stuff like that, it's ridiculous). It is that catra did many, many things that were wrong, but we understand where those behaviours came from, and she corrected her course in a way which is powerful and moving.

[@pocketsnacks]

Great video!

[@bananaeclipse3324]

Im prefacing this with the fact that The Owl House is one of my favorite shows of all time. As you said, “The show is VERY gay”. That’s part of its charm! Even said the first episode “us weirdos have to stick together” and while being LGBTQ+ doesn’t make you a weirdo, it’s a theme that is heavily shown! There is so much representation in the show and a lot of it can be easily missed too! Like how Raine and Masha are non-binary! While I don’t think there is a trans character, the story is taking place in a realm with magic, so switching genders is probably pretty easy and wouldn’t even be something to mention. I also need to give props for how well they showed mental health and trauma. The panic attacks that both Hunter and Gus experience are pretty realistic (ofc shortened for pacing sake), Luz’s suicidal thoughts, basically EVERYONES immense trauma. Vee being experimented on, Amity’s parents, Hunters brainwashing, Willows and Gus’s bullying and breakdown, I’m not even going to get started on Luz, and even Luz’s mom has some trauma from being bullied in school! ALSO as someone who lives in CT and in a town that seems to be a similar size as the one shown, I can say for sure that the general acceptance of LGBTQ+ here is shown very accurately. I mean the acceptance here is to the point that they wouldn’t even need to cover their ears, they could just say that it’s genetic and they are all from the same region, most people wouldn’t even care enough to question it. Basically this is one of my favorite shows of all time! (And while meaningless I’m also going to mention that I’m a straight white male teen, though I am Jewish so ig I’m kinda apart of A minority)

[@olleselin]

DAMN RIGHT THEY'RE STILL PERFECT❤❤❤❤❤

[@watermeloen9583]

2:06 hooty is there, watching

[@RockinAllDay]

Honestly, as a heterosexual person, I have NO problems whatsoever with the LGBTQ community, yet I can't find myself understanding their way of living. After all, I don't have to. What I KNOW should be done is to accept them, like Luz and Amity, who always do their BEST to care for each other, even while not fully understanding one another. TL;DR Just accept.

[@olleselin]

We know it is perfect

[@commonspark939]

Perfect video for a perfect couple indeed. 💜🤎💕

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

thank uuuu!

[@mcbuckets5457]

Even though the series has ended we can all agree that the franchise is not over and we will see them again because there are so many questions that need answering. For that stance because we can for sure see in the future as a comic book series maybe a few shorts I spin-off series and a movie. Yet I think the creator of the series did say that she wants to do that. This is not the end of the franchise it is only the beginning. The reason why is that there are so many fan comics fan animations and fan art so I really think that it's not done yet

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

idk dude, Dana Terrace left Disney behind and seems to be pretty content with being done with all that at this point. I think the biggest shame of all of this is that it seems to have left a bitter taste in her mouth

[@mcbuckets5457]

@@CurmudgeonMedia yeah but you never know. We can see it back in a couple years because the fans are growing everyday

[@dmclegg66]

I was shocked that Disney did this when they kissed I cheered I'm a straight white guy in my 40's I'm really outside the whole dating thing I have never had an relationship. But I have always felt Love is love as long as the other person feels the same it's not my concern,I swear I had no Idea how great this show is and Lux and Amity it one big reason I love it. Right now my country is in a bad place well soon find out if were turning a corner or driving off the cliff I fear for the people not in the "norm" I say that as they do.

[@Potatochip78]

You say it’s not perfect but to me I think it is

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

I'm glad it connects with you and you consider it perfect, but the show definitely has issues. I've been sitting on the fence for a long while now about making a full retrospective on The Owl House as a series, because as much as I love parts of it, it's also...a mess. A beautiful mess. It is riddled with flaws that go beyond what can just be blamed on the premature cut. But ultimately, I just don't see the point of making a video like that. I generally don't like to make hate content or put out negative energy into the world, and I've yet to figure out what the ideal way would be to make a video criticizing aspects of The Owl House while also making it clear how much respect I have for the people who made it, and how much skill and passion went into the show in general.

[@themightybagle99]

While I think Lumity Is great it's far from my favorite ship really, I just sorta wanna see a gay relationship fully built up between 2 guys and such, but of course that's pushing it by Disney standards. It's more common seeing characters like that to be In the background, with willows dad's they only got like a few seconds of screen time and one kiss that lasted 2 secs.

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

yeah the MLM rep is still very much lacking

[@dwifkx]

And historians will call them.. close friends, buddies -😢

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

roommates, even

[@robbyborja2217]

You know, maybe Dana Terrace should make her own Cinematic Universe dubbed the "OwlVerse". I currently have 6 movies ideas in this universe. 1. The Owl House: Starlight (The Movie epilogue of the TV series "The Owl House" and the first movie of thw OwlVerse) 2. Lotus: The Ways of the Ninja 3: Robot Force 4. Zangar: Code of Honor 5. Winnie-The-Pooh: Blood and Honey (the horror slasher adaptation of the Winnie-The-Pooh franchise and the first R-Rated Movie of the OwlVerse) 6. Amity Blight: The Castle-Blights (which is a spin-off of both the show and the Movie idea).

[@Stolasupremecy]

I think one short break up would have been fine. Fine not necessary but after the forst one at lesst for me doing another one is just overoding it a little 😂

[@DomyTheMad420]

i'll never get over the "lumity was a bit rushed no?" nonsense. Showed the show to a friend and within ten BLOODY seconds of Amity's first introduction she went: "oh. mean girl. they gonna end up dating huh?" "WHAT?! NO! this is a DISNEY show!" (acting. she bought it) FFWD half a day and i get a txt reading "you bastard. i love lumity. i love this show. i'm crying. i hate you."

[@codemanthe2nd343]

👏

[@sueflewelling3657]

great video cant what for more ps what do you think of edelgard as a character

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

I presume that's a Fire Emblem character? I'm not myself super familirar with Fire Emblem, that's Ed's purview

[@sueflewelling3657]

​@@CurmudgeonMedia its a character from three houses?

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

@@sueflewelling3657 I haven't played Three Houses. Ed made the Fire Emblem video, not me

[@sueflewelling3657]

​@@CurmudgeonMedia ok thank you

[@GloriannaDewett]

I love Luz and Amity! And Adora and Catra and Korrasomi. I really don't get why people are so against gay people. We're just people like everyone else. We are all different and we need to learn to accept those differences and love the people around us

[@DrWarbird]

Conservatives can and do support shows like the Owl House and She-Ra. The problem isn't conservatives but the fanatical religious right. I'm a strict constitutionalist conservative and love both of those shows. I'm also a gnostic Atheist. Conservatives are about keeping government small and ensuring individual liberty, not controlling the sexuality of others. It was after Regan that the evangelists began to infect the party. They need to be kicked back into the shadows and told to mind their own business.

[@itsniqilisitsme4701]

Queer: Nonbinary bisexual here! I love Lumity and seeing such perfect representation is what I really fucking need right now more than anything! From Raine to Luz. I love this show so fucking much From a fellow Queer to to any other queer person here Love yourself, we are valid ❤🧡💛💚💙💜

[@LucyChin-py8ye]

Oh my God what happened here

[@MrGabeanator]

they were on a break sorry

[@emerald6521]

8:18 ehehehehehehehe

[@Kattlarv]

That said... with how Lumity was allowed to exist... I am desperately hoping that fem characters in media can FINALLY be allowed to do... "things" *without* being slapped by the strict gender roles. Like, people telling me "They're allowed to do x!", yeah... no. The male character did that *openly*, on screen for 15 seconds... the female was shuffled into the background of a scene for 2 seconds. (And intentionally using those terms, as this somehow also applies to robots and non-intelligent animals. Like, a male dog CAN do it. But a female cannot.)

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

@@Kattlarv I totally agree, although I would also say that male to male queer relationships are SEVERELY underrepresented in comparison to female to female queer relationships in this corner of film and television

[@Kattlarv]

​@@CurmudgeonMedia Oh, definitely. I can say: Kipo DID have a strong start. Then kinda... sorta failed? Like: They made it a clear canonical part, that Kipo is "hormonal". But after the honestly good "asking a boy out" scene... Kipo has "served her purpose" and just, turns effectively asexual for the rest of the series. While the relationship in that series is okay. It does a lot of weird choices... including the magic clothes. *But*: I am talking in general. Like: Teen males can be however selfish and "hormonal" they want. Yet, the females are celibate nuns until they turn 21 and reach puberty. Males can have full frontal scenes, because "haha, funny!". Yet, females cannot. (Even Ruby Gillman has magic clothes...) At best: They have to be embarrassed/humiliated or shamed if something similar happen. OR: They have to wear bedsheets. And, often: Are "punished" for this. And like, in terms of biology: We have gone from never being allowed to talk about it, to "Ew, gross!" jokes. To recent examples in Baymax and Molly that "Yay, sunshine and rainbows! U ar waman nao!"... Not to mention: They still put bikinis on toddlers... that just makes it worse... And, like: On the "adult" side of animation: They're not even allowed to make jokes that are "too crass". They can show and talk about pingu all day. But at most, can have one clinical vagloober joke per season... Games aren't doing better either. Cyberpunk only allowed male char customization, because females were deemed "too obscene". I know it's a bit side tangent. But, when I look back at the 2000's WITCH comics... We have kinda regressed back to "Those are sinful emotions for girls!".

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

@@Kattlarv again, I totally agree, but I would still like to see more MLM queerness in media like this. It's practically non-existent. Kipo had some, but it wasn't terribly well-explored.

[@Kattlarv]

​@@CurmudgeonMedia Yeah, I'd love to see more. To what I've noticed, FLF is generally more "accepted", as many of the bigöts don't see it as "real". So, in corporate terms: It's easier to "get away with". (I mean, to throw some shade at the fandoms: ALL of the FLF couples have large parts of the fandoms that goes "Okay, so: WHO becomes the male?" as, apparently: The goal of ALL couples is to have kids. So: WHO turns into the male? And this has just... become normalized in all fandoms from SU to SPoP... it certainly doesn't help that there's canonical events of this in things like X-men and Invincible.) There is some decent background stuff with it. But any "main" attempts have failed pretty hard, as they have tried to shoehorn it. *Cough*Disney*Cough* Lumity worked as it was integrated into the story naturally... even with the retcons. Honestly, looking at the lineup of shows coming out (pun intended) the chance for a fem character to be allowed to "be hormonal" or a MLM couple is more and more becoming a "... Maybe next decade." each time I look.

[@KingYou2002]

I'm curious as to why you hate Friends so much?

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

I'm largely just being hyperbolic, but I also find Friends to be boring, desperately unfunny, and basic af

[@LucyChin-py8ye]

​@@CurmudgeonMediafriends better than lovers in my opinion

[@Midnight_May474]

Are you still making videos?

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

yes, still making videos! I've been hammering away at a VERY long video, my longest in fact, and I'm about 45 minutes into it

[@Kattlarv]

To me, it still has quite a few issues. Like, the sorta notable "shift" that it seems like Luz was gonna be with Willow, and the missing parts from season 2+the rewrites makes several things a lot clunky. But, even with all of that: It IS a really solid pairing. Which, honestly says a lot when a swis cheese ship holds more water than the generic status quo ones.

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

The further we get from the ending of The Owl House, the more trouble I have defending its writing choices. There are a lot of issues that can be chalked up to the cut, but there are also a lot of choices that just...can't. Certain writing choices that really, really baffle me in terms of what was given priority over what. For example--for a show which places so much thematic emphasis on motherhood (surrogate or otherwise), we didn't ONCE get a SINGLE conversation between Eda and Camila? Am I the only one who feels like it should have been important to see Luz's two moms actually TALK to each other or interact in some meaningful way? All they get is some brief, wordless clips in the end montage, and yet--Boscha gets a mini arc, and Kikimora returns for...some reason. Why Boscha got a moment in season 3 but Eda & Camila never did, I truly don't know. That's just one example, though, the point being that I've grown to have a lot of issues with The Owl House and I consider doing a video about it, from the perspective of a fan of the show.

[@Kattlarv]

@@CurmudgeonMedia Yeah, there's a lot of weird choices on what they included in S3. Yes, it was way too short. But there was a lot of... "Rermember this guy?"while leaving out a lot of, like you said: Kinda big deals. I mean: V never picked a name. But S1 to S2: There's a clear sorta.. retconning going on with Amity. I can't say for what reason. But, they clearly swapped her around, so to speak.

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

@@Kattlarv I think retconning is a strong word, and I'm sort of...divided about it. I think that Amity shedding aspects of her personality is to be expected, and it's just part of a character arc. However, it does feel like Amity was largely neutered, and with the exception of some minor course-correction in late season 2, it really feels like she became *just* Luz's awesome girlfriend.

[@Kattlarv]

@@CurmudgeonMedia Not sure what else to call it. But as said: There was an entire thing going on with Willow. And Amity kinda... has a reboot, is put on the shelf for half the season, then pops back, fresh out of the closet. It VERY much feels like 404, missing content. I have no clue *what* was supposed to happen or to which characters. But fairly certain it was to involve Willow, Gus, Luz and Amity. No clue if Amity actually took Willow's place. If there was some "Oh wait, THIS is much better!" or whatever. But *something* went down there.

[@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel]

Lumity is a great symbol and step forward for representation in animation, but a terrible ship in my opinion. Amity starts dating the main character and BAM! She's suddenly an almost completely different person. Worse, she feels too much the same as the collective protagonists. All the traits that defined her just kind of evaporate to give us a very neat, clean and above all boring relationship with Luz. All their drama being so incredibly minor and so predictable in their resolution, that it's not exciting at all. I feel like their relationship could have been far more interesting if Amity didn't just suddenly stop being the arrogant, elitist bully that she started out as. Don't have her character just suddenly shift, but rather have her channel her traits into wholesome things. Have her elitism instead become ambition. Make her the driving force behind the team, pushing them to their limit. Have her bullying become the instincts of a protector. Have Luz actually grapple with the fact that she has romantic feelings for someone who is, essentially, a bad person. As is, it feels like a Doppelganger just suddenly replaced Amity so that the relationship could be squeaky clean.

[@Benjamin14828]

I hate that, in Avatar and the Last Airbender, Aang and Katara become a couple even though they are only 12 or 13 years old. It is so unrealistic and could confuse younger audiences and create a false reality about relationships at a young age. This comment is so late after this video is published and I recond no one will even see it, but I felt that I had to say this. Edit: Also, I completely agree with what Tom is saying, it is so important that upcoming shows include LGBTQ+ characters so that it hopefully becomes something that people treat normally, which obviously, is how it should be treated.

[@kerfufflehatter3525]

You always bring up politics which pisses me off because, I want to preserve culture and religion.

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

sucks to be you I guess lmao

[@deiongreenaway9751]

They son:😒💢😠 is my favourite shipping