Lumity Isn't Rushed | The Owl House

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

Hi folks! For some reason, KZbin is deleting totally harmless comments and I'm not sure why. If you left a comment and saw it suddenly disappear, I can only apologise for KZbin's bizarre whims, sorry folks!

[@bookshelf26]

I agree and disagree with what you said, I do still think it was kinda rushed because luz didn’t show any attraction to amity till season 2 and just made her like her but you do have some really good point ngl

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

@@bookshelf26 that's fair, and thanks for watching! personally, although we never get those explicit blush moments from Luz in season 1, I still think the attraction was underlying. I mean, do you see that look Luz gives Amity during the Grom dance when she whips out the glyphs?? there is no heterosexual explanation for that

[@joserodriguez6912]

@@CurmudgeonMedia well I think that was more of a friend kind of look, I personally ship lunter, but I don’t mind lumity and you got some good points tho, and good vid

[@Yourlocalbush]

That has happend to me as well! KZbin is so weird

[@pixiequeen7148]

Thank you for being so positive! What do you think of Luz’s feelings of you had to analyze them? People say she had nothing in s1 but I always just saw a young girl making a friend she has chemistry with and eventually she realized she had a crush on her. To me that doesn’t seem to be nothing, even if it’s at a different pace than Amity’s crush.

[@CoyotesOwn]

I think people are calling it rushed because they're been conditioned to see the confirmation of a relationship as the end goal and not another milestone. Korra, She-Ra and Adenveture Time did for meta reasons, but Owl House give an actual same-sex relationship, rather than making the confirmation an end of series prize.

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

you're absolutely spot-on

[@thebarbarians8082]

I don't get the korra one maybe Im forgetting but I dont remember there being LGTBQ in there

[@CoyotesOwn]

@@thebarbarians8082 Korra and Asami were a couple at the end (and are a couple in the media set after the series). Decided to travel the spirit world in the final scene.

[@eu.stacio]

@@thebarbarians8082 Korra and Asami were a couple in the comics and Nickoldeon censored it however the creators still confirmed korrasami asweel as them "riding into the sunset" at the end of the series

[@iiomqfaderz]

true that

[@phantomslay5612]

Some people out there make the excuse that 'the only reason people love this ship is because it's a lesbian romance'. That's not the only reason at all. It's because the characters in it are worth caring about. Look how much development and characterization Amity got during every one of the episodes she played a major role in. Every time we're given more new details, to the point where she's arguably a more realized character than our main protagonist (which is not to say Luz is a bad character. I still really like her and relate to her).

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

exactly, the character writing is so strong! I'm normally a hard sell on romance, but Lumity is executed so well

[@sueflewelling3657]

Not even to mention that some people say both fans and critics say the romance is the only to watch it and thing that the show has going for it and even thou alot of people came after ep 16 there where people on bord with show before that and have any even relises that if there something in show that someone likes mabey they want to watch and even realize this show is good with or without the romance. Take me for example i didn't get in to this show until three weeks after the finally and I saw the clip of luz fighting belos and it look interesting and mabey I want to watch it and gest what I was hook with show and remain a fan ever since ps I was hook even before I knew about lumity and when I did knew about it only made like this show even more.

[@nathancaldwell5443]

I couldn't have said it better myself. That's why this is my favorite ship, because it's a really well-paced, wholesome ship with an adorable and dynamic and which both characters grow and develop as the show proggesses.

[@eri_sister_of_aerial]

@@CurmudgeonMedia same. Episode 9 of Season 2 just propels this relationship even further and all I want in the eventual end of The Owl House is for Lumity to be together. No matter if they're in the human realm or the demon realm. That's all I want: Lumity to be together to the end. And I personally want Luz to follow her heart and stay in the Boiling Isles with Amity.

[@eri_sister_of_aerial]

@@CurmudgeonMedia and ngl, this show is the greatest Disney show we have ever gotten of all time. This is a 15/10 where every episode keeps on getting better than the last

[@Tintelinus]

I do sometime feel that people confuse "rushed" with "fast". TOH can certainly move at a breakneck pace at times, I personally like it, it doesnt feel like stuff gets dragged out, but I guess this is also a preference thing. "Rushed" to me imply that its underdeveloped, and no Lumity imo isnt that at all. The only thing I feel may qualify for that in this show is Liliths redemption (and frankly I enjoy the rest of the show too much to care much about that one)

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

I agree, although with Lilith I don't think her redemption is done just yet. She's still in the process of overcoming her own insecurities. She did something awful as a child without fully understanding the implications of what she actually did. And it's clear she's got a long way to go yet. I wonder if she may end up having a dynamic with Hunter in a way that mirrors Eda and Luz, and if that will play into her quest for self-betterment. What matters for now is that 1) she split the curse and has taken onus for her actions, and 2) she now fully understands the suffering she caused Eda

[@Tintelinus]

@@CurmudgeonMedia Thats fair. And tbh, as I said im fine with it even if it ends up being a blunder. So much else in the show is so freaking good that it doesnt really impact my feelings on the show much at all.

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

@@Tintelinus I just really like Lilith as a character. She's messed up big time, but she's trying to make amends, and while Eda is mostly pretty emotionally stable, Lilith is a DISASTER of complexes, and...I relate :L

[@Tintelinus]

@@CurmudgeonMedia Haha, yeah thats understandable. I actually like her character aswell, Lilith in season 2 was/is fantastic. As always the character writting in this show has been sublime. And neither Eda nor Luz hold grudges so it makes some sense.

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

@@Tintelinus yeah that's very true, Lilith clearly has some stuff to figure out, and yet Eda doesn't hold it against her, which says a lot about both characters

[@swordcrab3181]

I think one possible reason why people think the relationship is "rushed" is because in media relationships development is often stretched for as long as possible, dragged out, with the relationship only being confirmed at the very end of the show or movie, or in a season finale when you're already several seasons in. And it's not just lgbtq relationships that are treated this way, heterosexual romance also get that treatment. I recommend the Trope Talk episode on Romantic Subplots: toward the end of it Red comments that it seems like lots of writers seem to be at a loss about what to do once a relationship is past the "will they/won't they" stage and are actually in a relationship and that's why the big relationship confirming moments tend to come at the end of the story. That way the writers don't have to deal with the consequences. And if there's a sequel the relationship will often jump directly to "they're having problems/they broke up". So for Lumity to be confirmed before we're even halfway through season two, several episodes before the mid-season hiatus, it feels weird when you're so used to the "will they/won't they" being stretched out over long periods of time and the confirmation being used as a big finish thing.

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

ah, a fellow Overly Sarcastic Production fan I see!

[@stretr8251]

@@CurmudgeonMedia May I join the club? :)

[@Hollowmello1285]

@@stretr8251 i want in too im fan

[@Hollowmello1285]

@@mecvo4404 which emperor

[@tumblingartist]

:D OSP!

[@cooperwhooper]

“Luz shines a light” hehe even if unintentional still hilarious

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

ahaha yeah i guess i really just said "light shines a light"

[@RandomDragonEXE]

@@CurmudgeonMedia Ah yes, the floor is made of floor, lol!

[@forer1906]

The episode 9 shows how Amity push up herself to be perfect in everything she does, she wants to be the best "Awesome girlfriend" she can be as if it is an "status" like "Top Student" and those things, she has too much fear about failing with someone who thinks she is special, and at the end of the episode she realizes that isn't a "status" it's a relationship and she doesn't need to be that hard on herself because Luz loves her the way she is, and u can see how good and friendly she is and she is finally showing that, because Luz helped her to not fear to show her insecurities and her feelings, I love their relationship and they deserve all the happiness(like Hooty said) 🥺❤️❤️❤️

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

you are SO right, and what I love most about everything you've just said is that it shows Amity is STILL learning and STILL developing. It's not just this linear situation like "oh this character has now learned and they are complete," it's this ongoing, nuanced journey. I've seen a lot of people complain about the fact that Amity suspected Luz would be mad at her for "failing," and I feel like those people missed the point a little. It's not about Luz--of course Luz wouldn't be mad. It's about Amity, and the fact that even now Amity still has these deep-rooted insecurities that cloud her judgement

[@aetriandimitri190]

This is something a lot of people sadly seemed to miss and thought Amity was constantly saying awesome girlfriend cause the show wanted to do victory laps. It was showing some serious and depressing trauma in the fact that due to how she was raised. Amity couldn't even see her relationship as something simple and to enjoy, she thought she had to be the very top and prove herself or else Luz would dump her. So when Hunter said the message meant "come back with results or we're done" it makes sense why she fell for it. Since we know Luz would never do that, and Amity knows she wouldn't, but Amity's brain was molded to think that way about things. So basically her saying "I am Luz's awesome girlfriend" isn't her just flexing, it's her trying to convince herself she won't be broken up with because she isn't perfect, and when it's called into question if she actually is an awesome girlfriend she freaks out and thinks irrationally, which is depressing as all hell

[@BlueFHS]

@@aetriandimitri190 well let’s be real, from a writing perspective they DEFINITELY had Amity say she was Luz’s girlfriend multiple times to destroy any sort of doubt that they were together and deter Disney from censoring/trying to play them off as good friends, but from the perspective of Amity as a character, you’re absolutely right

[@aetriandimitri190]

@@BlueFHS I do think having them say it once or twice would've already confirmed it, and with the end of the last episode it was pretty clear especially since they asked eachother out and hooty referred to amity as Luz's gf

[@derpymuffin02]

@@mecvo4404 your here to i though you were only going to be in the comics also you haven't responded to my comment

[@lj3353]

Lumity is probably one of the most well written, healthy and realistic relationship I’ve seen in children show. It’s not rush, the audience can see the progress on each episodes. The writers didn’t try to push it back and forth before making them canon for the sake of drama which is quite refreshing honestly (cough… you probably know which one). I can’t believe watching a relationship between two 14 years old would be able to make me cry

[@lj3353]

Also a plus point to Dana for not making Amity’s personality as “The Love Interest” because some LGBTQ LI tends to end up like that

[@philly_sports1558]

Facts. Lumity rules.

[@bv0804]

THANK YOU I'm tired of hearing that they are "rushed", even in the fandom some people said that. They are one of the best LGBT romance I have seen in cartoons ever. And this video is a proof of it. Thank you again.

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

when I first heard people call it rushed I was just like "well I guess I gotta detail exactly why that's WRONG" 😂

[@eri_sister_of_aerial]

@@CurmudgeonMedia This relationship isn't even rushed. Not even the slightest. THIS is how you make a relationship in a show like this. Not saving it for the last episode or just hinting at a relationship in one episode and then just scrap it like how Gravity Falls did

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

@@eri_sister_of_aerial yup, as my thumbnail suggests, it's perfect

[@eri_sister_of_aerial]

@@CurmudgeonMedia I have a theory or idea that Luz may evolve into how the witches in The Boiling Isles are or she is something special too. I don't know, but if the Day of Unity is very soon, then we might see Luz turn into something or something like that. I don't know what's in store but Lumity should stay together for life

[@brony4869]

not even just one of the best the LGBT romances in cartoons, but one one the best romances period in cartoons.

[@Godzilla-tu2cd]

Amity is a awesome girlfriend

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

The number of times she said she wants to prove that she's an awesome girlfriend melted my heart

[@war_axe]

Yeah also

[@eu.stacio]

I believe it in my heart that they used it as a way to make sure EVERYONE knows they are girlfriends. Especially Disney. Also p.s. I love that Disney uploaded the clip

[@Godzilla-tu2cd]

@Ronan Smith 😂

[@MrBrawler16]

"They're adorable and deserve all the happiness"- Hootcifer.

[@alexandruulesan7009]

Brilliant LGBT+ representation aside, can we just appreciate the most realistic representation of a developing romantic relationship in any kind of media so far. Most relationships I've seen, even on the best movies or shows, fall into one of 2 categories: the people involved are basically predestined to end up together due to circumstances, selective introduction or forced writing, with the usual useless will-they-won't-they arcs that nobody falls for (ex: AtlA with Aang and Katara, B99 with Jake and Amy, any MCU movie that has the tiniest trace of a romantic subplot) or one of the characters goes to increasingly ludicrous shenanigans to eventually win over/ wear down their love interest (ex: TBBT with Leonard and Penny, Literally any Disney Channel show from the 2000's). None of that happens to people in real life who have feelings for each other. You know what does happen? Awkward silences, vague gestures, questioning EVERYTHING you say or do, before, after and while you're doing or saying it. For all of that alone, The Owl House owns a place in the media hall of fame and my heart for ever !!!

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

you, my friend, couldn't be more right

[@shelledcrane0177]

People forget that time passes from epesode to epesode wich can include develep charectsr

[@Sonofanirsrebel]

Gay is a good bonus too, but yea, most romantic relationships in media are just like "they looked at each other, oh, now they're dating, ono some petty thing got in the way, married" and i feel like they'll do that with any characters as long as they're straight sometimes, but the owl house does it well because it's not a full on romance, it's hard to make something that's just 2 people dating constantly interesting, and the conflict in the owl house is all realistic, going the extra mile for your significant other, and it's not instant

[@ellienas5179]

Exactlyyyy! Plus Luz and Amity are literally 14 if I'm correct. They're awkward kids who have a crush on each other and wanna date, there's no need for unnecessary drama and love triangles and doing that dumb crap where the characters cheat on their significant other to be with each other.

[@sashashadowhive6128]

First of all it's rare I find a comment threat I agree with 100% so yay! Amazing comment threat! I just wanna add how much I love how Eda is kinda motherly about it in the end when Hooty tries to help Luz ask Amity out. "What did he try to help you with?" "He... tried to help me ask Amity on a date" "Oh wow....... Do you wanna?" *cutest little nod* "Then go for it! Hold on I'll help. It won't be perfect but hey, it's something" Its just adorable!!

[@riversbend9783]

Starco made me despise the “will they don’t they” relationship

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

I never finished SVTFoE and I'm beginning to think that's a good thing ahaha

[@riversbend9783]

@@CurmudgeonMedia the finale was so unsatisfactory :,)

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

@@riversbend9783 so I've heard, my heart goes out to those who were invested in it c':

[@gianni2003]

For me it was the Miraculous Love Square (that is also poorly written and kinda creepy and unhealthy when it comes to Adrienette, but whatever). They'll end up together in the final season that is SEASON 7. SEVEN. That will air in 2024. Yeah no thank you. I love that Lumity became canon just now

[@riversbend9783]

@@gianni2003 ikr! Mari was cute until they made her lowkey obsessive and a stalker

[@maem7462]

When you think about it with some shows and movies that have the enemies to lovers troupe when you think abt it sometimes those are kinda more rushed. You have them be enemies and there isn't always a lot of time for them to be friends before they get together. That is something I love with Lumity is that they had time to be friends first and during the friendship the feelings grew at a nice pace

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

YES I couldn't agree more, it's so important to have them develop chemistry first

[@crazyvirus2472]

Bro yes 💖

[@unknownbystander8145]

Judging by their season one interaction, most would assume that Amity started to developed her crush in the "Lost in Language" episode which is her third interaction with Luz. There are two problems with this 1)though they more or less reconciled in their second interaction things still ended on a sour note and their third interaction isn't any better 2) the first season is meant to take place in the span of one summer(which is two months or less)and since there are 19 episodes this means one or two days pass offscreen at most (some episodes even lead directly into each other). The problem with the second point is after the "Lost in Language" episode their next interaction is in "Adventure in the Elements" which is 5 episodes later meaning they did not interact for a very significant chunk of time, which makes their friendly interactions in said episode (and the development of the crush)jarring to say the least.

[@Bubbafanforever]

@@unknownbystander8145 YES THANK YOU

[@HyruleJose]

I think a big part of why this ship is considered “rushed” by some people is that sometimes people just have terrible taste in romantic subplots, it’s why enemies to lovers and will-they-won’t-they are such popular tropes. People look at a healthy relationship that’s developed naturally and not been artificially prolonged and somehow resent the fact that they weren’t baited to for reasons I’ll never understand. I hope this show is a chance for those people to really see all the good content they’ve been missing.

[@sneakysneakyraccoon8538]

Or people have just different taste in romantic subplot. No one preferences is better than the other.

[@HyruleJose]

@@sneakysneakyraccoon8538 I’d argue most preferences are better than an inherently toxic relationship dynamic and endless teasing to the point of annoyance respectively. Nobody needs another Ross/Rachel or Reylo.

[@boollye]

ironically, lumity also falls into the enemies to lovers trope in a way

[@HyruleJose]

@@boollye Not really, they were rivals for all of one episode and the worst things Amity ever did was be mean to Willow and step on a cupcake. Not really anything worth calling her a straight up enemy over, especially when over versions of this troupe have the characters involved try to kill or manipulate each other every time they’re on screen together.

[@boollye]

@@HyruleJose that's why i said "in a way". i personally consider the enemies to lovers trope a more extreme version of rivals to lovers, since both feature antagonizing characters coming to terms with each other. it's relatively easy to twist one trope to fall more in line with the other

[@OffTrackEpisodic]

This is such a thoughtful breakdown of Amity as a character and the development of her relationship with Luz!! You pointed out so many small moments that I initially just glazed over that are actually incredibly important to their arcs. ANOTHER BANGER VIDEO FRIENDO, GREAT JOB!!

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

"another banger video friendo" is the most English thing you have ever said. I'VE CHANGED YOU

[@lindanel7413]

So right! Draws you in and helps you see more.. 😃

[@chyor2120]

I love how Lumity's Dynamic developed it was definitely wasn't rushed so I totally agree with you there and I look forward to how it's gonna continue especially since they are Canon now

[@pepperbob1151]

I think its amazing how much development lumity has gotten so far in season two! Like wow! I didn't expect it to pick up so fast!!

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

for real! and it's so sweet that they're still both so nervous and insecure and figuring stuff out as they go

[@aly_y0shi358]

I really do enjoy how developed their relationship had to be. It started with the typical mean girl against the nerd then switched to friends and then to romantic partners. Both of them have grown so much since the beginning of the show. Amity let loose and stopped letting her family control her life and Luz finally found a grip on reality and stopped thinking that the realm she ended up in was just like a fantasy book. Both have come so far that it truly warms my hesrt

[@gracekim1998]

It’s very poetic🙂

[@polarice1376]

I will admit, I was one of those people who sort of believed it was a little rushed (I still loved it, dont get me wrong! I was just wondering if that was a fault on the writing perspective) so I searched for a video like this to see what others had to say. And it was brilliant! Your breakdown fully convinced me this wasn't rushed at all, rather just a cartoon look at real-world relationships and wonderful character development that was both subtle and blatant. I was reading a few other comments that said that most media shows couples (straight or not) as the prize to be won after the main plot is almost over or the show has gone through a major crisis. A lot of media doesn't know what to do once the relationship is actually in the dating stage, and that's another reason it feels foreign. I'm so excited to see where it goes next!

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

I'm really glad my video persuaded you! I'm excited too, they're still learning and growing and developing as a couple

[@unknownbystander8145]

It was definitely rushed. Judging by their season one interaction, most would assume that Amity started to developed her crush in the "Lost in Language" episode which is her third interaction with Luz. There are two problems with this 1)though they more or less reconciled in their second interaction things still ended on a sour note and their third interaction isn't any better 2) the first season is meant to take place in the span of one summer(which is two months or less)and since there are 19 episodes this means one or two days pass offscreen at most (some episodes even lead directly into each other). The problem with the second point is after the "Lost in Language" episode their next interaction is in "Adventure in the Elements" which is 5 episodes later meaning they did not interact for a very significant chunk of time, which makes their friendly interactions in said episode (and the development of the crush)jarring to say the least.

[@kaedynpewett1593]

@@unknownbystander8145 wow same copy pasted comment I've seen about 7 times so far, don't think you're persuading anyone bud especially on a video detailing every little thing about why it's not rushed. Also developing a crush doesn't need to always have a happy ending to said interaction or need to be together 24/7, the days that are skipped over would give Amity more time to think on how she's feeling and what to do with those feelings. I know you sent that comment 3 months ago so I'm a little late to the party but the point still stands, especially how it's just copy pasted with 2 points on it when the reasons why lumity isn't rushed has way more to it Edit: I do hope you're having a great day though! Same with anyone else reading this

[@unknownbystander8145]

@@kaedynpewett1593 It's my conversation starter, meaning I make this comment with the intention of starting a discussion thread. With that said, I don't expect everyone to respond to this or even read it so I repeat it multiple times so that there will be at least one possible response. This comment is also for people to know that the conclusion of "Lumity is rushed" does have a logical basis, even if most commenters don't always provide a detailed explanation like mine.

[@kaedynpewett1593]

@@unknownbystander8145 ah my apologies then, I also do not mean to disrespect your opinions if I did. You do bring up good points but not enough for me to be convinced, also was very tired and irritated at the time so acted in an uncharacteristic way. Wish you the best of luck and a good day

[@nills2099]

Fun fact, the Azura book Luz lends Amity is about Azura befriending her rival, Hecate

[@hollow_ghost5321]

Me: ... Also Me: *ooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*

[@NotSoStraight]

Amazing analysis of Amity's character growth and her relationship with Luz. I'm personally tired of seeing gay couples in shows only getting together at the end and never getting the chance to actually spend time together as a couple on-screen. Seeing Lumity actually being canon during season 2 is such a breath of fresh air. Their dynamic is so adorable, healthy and realistic. We need more relationships in shows like Lumity

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

I'm so looking forward to seeing how they develop as a couple

[@unknownbystander8145]

There's nothing wrong with them getting together early. but fact of the matter is their development in season one was definitely rushed. Judging by their season one interaction, most would assume that Amity started to developed her crush in the "Lost in Language" episode which is her third interaction with Luz. There are two problems with this 1)though they more or less reconciled in their second interaction things still ended on a sour note and their third interaction isn't any better 2) the first season is meant to take place in the span of one summer(which is two months or less)and since there are 19 episodes this means one or two days pass offscreen at most (some episodes even lead directly into each other). The problem with the second point is after the "Lost in Language" episode their next interaction is in "Adventure in the Elements" which is 5 episodes later meaning they did not interact for a very significant chunk of time, which makes their friendly interactions in said episode (and the development of the crush)jarring to say the least.

[@Meg_intheclouds]

Not only is it a wholesome and sweet sapphic relationship, but it feels super realistic to how a first crush is and feels like. I’m 16 next week so not exactly the same age but close and haven’t had my first relationship really. So it feels good to not only see the type of relationship I’m going to have represented but as a teenager having the awkwardness and not knowing how to process, gay panic, the nervousness ect also represented. It’s funny how the owl house to me feels more real than most teen shows (another fave is Buffy the vampire slayer and the relationships in that are a lot more grown up).

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

I 100% agree. I've been rewatching the show with my sibling, and they made an absolutely spot-on observation about how their crush is still so clumsy, they still misinterpret one another and there are all these crossfiring emotions, just like how a real first crush actually plays out

[@Meg_intheclouds]

@@CurmudgeonMedia definatly. Because part of being a teenager (and life really) is not knowing everything straight the way and having to figure things out, but we figure it out together in our relationships. I’ve always love character driven stories over plot driven and The owl house while it’s lore is amazing. It’s the relationships between the characters that make the show. And not just Lumity. The relationship between Eda and Luz which is just so caring and sweet, the relationship between king and Luz, willow and gus’s with Luz. Willow with Amity, And we always see how why what happening matters to the characters. And the characters are so good we could easily have an episode with them sitting on the sofa at the owl house and we’d hang on to every moment.

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

@@Meg_intheclouds You're literally saying ALL my thoughts. Character-driven stories are always my favourite. If you haven't seen my last TOH video, I talk all about the character writing and the little details that make them just so joyous to watch. A point I make in that one (in reference to the opening scene from Keeping Up Afearances) is that you know the character writing is strong when you can literally watch Eda waking up in the morning and be 100% entertained

[@Meg_intheclouds]

@@CurmudgeonMedia yes! Ooh ok I’ll go check it out. I found your channel by this video so will defo watch more :)

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

@@Meg_intheclouds I hope you stick around! we've only just started to gain a little traction and we're so happy to see people enjoying our videos, and this one in particular means a lot to me. We have a Discord as well!

[@StormriderVarskil1]

In my opinion, I think the feeling of the "bit rushed" portion is due to the timeline. People should recognize how much time actually passed within episodes and between episodes. There may also be pressure from D‌isney because Dana and the team knew that have to wrap up sooner than they wanted, so the have to make those timelines within and between episodes quick. For example, in Season 2, Episode 5, between the library incident to Luz getting Amity's job back, I don't think that can all happen in one afternoon. That would've taken at least some days for that to happen. In the meantime, Gus' events in that episode would've been done in one single day. Another example, between Season 2, Episode 8 (Hooty) and the latest one 9 (Eclipse Lake), that would've taken many days as well. Between the confession at the end of Ep 8. and the state therein at the beginning of Ep. 9, we have the following that have happened in between: 1) Gus and Willow now aware that Luz x Amity are official (I wondered how Luz and Amity broke the news?); 2) Amity now has a palisman (I wondered how she got that at their school?); and 3) Luz got sick and all of them got together in the Owl House (I wondered how it ended up like that?).

[@gracekim1998]

And then there’s the fact that Luz first met Amity ‘months ago’

[@unknownbystander8145]

The "timeline" issue is definitely at its worst during season 1. Judging by their season one interaction, most would assume that Amity started to developed her crush in the "Lost in Language" episode which is her third interaction with Luz. There are two problems with this 1)though they more or less reconciled in their second interaction things still ended on a sour note and their third interaction isn't any better 2) the first season is meant to take place in the span of one summer(which is two months or less)and since there are 19 episodes this means one or two days pass offscreen at most (some episodes even lead directly into each other). The problem with the second point is after the "Lost in Language" episode their next interaction is in "Adventure in the Elements" which is 5 episodes later meaning they did not interact for a very significant chunk of time, which makes their friendly interactions in said episode (and the development of the crush)jarring to say the least.

[@emma_nutella58]

This ship is good because it feels organic and the two girls make each other better

[@facecampingbubba4656]

I think most people think every relationship should be a Jim and Pam, one that takes multiple seasons to build up. It really just needs to be well executed and you showed how Dana was able to perfectly do so. Also, if the relationship was rushed then their would’ve been 0 chemistry and seemed forced. Instead we see a beautiful relationship that feels right.

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

thanks for the kind words, and you're spot on with the Jim and Pam observation

[@_timtam4922]

I totally agree with this. The way it is done is so good

[@maem7462]

I do agree on what reason you say that ppl might feel it's rushed it could be one of those reasons or a few. While I don't think it's rushed another potential possibility is because some ppl might love a slow burn and I also think they are kinda used to seeing a slow burn with LGBTQ+ couples

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

yes absolutely, normally with LGBTQ+ couples it gets pushed to the end of the season

[@BlueFHS]

I think it’s just that people are used to having the main relationship finally be confirmed at the end of the show. Some cartoons that come to mind are Avatar, Legend of Korra, She-Ra, Adventure Time, etc. In all of these shows the relationships are built up over the course of the whole show and are treated as an end goal, not as just another milestone within the character’s development, which is how TOH treats Lumity. It’s not bad, just different. Not rushed, just faster than people are used to

[@maem7462]

@@BlueFHS I agree. A lot of time shows and movies as well have the relationship be the end goal. I love how TOH did something different here so we can see the little dorks being awesome girlfriends to each other

[@unknownbystander8145]

It didn't have to take multiple seasons but it should have had at least one full season dedicated to developing their relationship, cause as it stands it's not enough. After Amity's introduction there only 6 episode of them interacting together, meaning there are 12 episode in total where they don't. And even if you add season 2's episodes to the count that still only only adds up to 10 interactions before they get together, which is definitely not enough especially considering how much gap there is between each interaction.

[@maem7462]

@@unknownbystander8145 There likely would be some interaction off screen. For example Luz knew to meet up with Amity to get the book back. There likely is some interactions we didn’t see. It could could have been fun to see more of their interactions on screen. Something ppl seem to forget is that it is possible to develop a crush quickly and that’s what happened on Amity’s end. It took Luz a bit of time to reciprocate those feelings and at that point Luz and Amity had been pretty good friends

[@revisitedgrunt3706]

Ah yes, the old "it's rushed" argument. It's interesting that I see this so often when it comes to same-sex relationships, across so many shows. So either all these shows are rushing their relationships, or there's something else going on here. I find it especially glaring when the argument is used against Lumity, a ship where we've seen every stage of their development. Where we've had large chunks, even entire episodes of time, dedicated to their changing and growing relationship. Honestly, at this point, the second I see "it's rushed" I assume the person is just homophobic because they never have a good reason for actually thinking that. Anyway, this was a great video. Thanks for doing it, but it's a shame it has to be done at all.

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

I'm with you on that, a large chunk of season 1 is Lumity development. And regardless, it's just such a wonderful, charming dynamic to watch play out! Thanks for the kind words, and thanks for watching!

[@simonchen5284]

Yeah lumity is very well developed and every time I see them I don't feel like I wanna die then watch it(most romance make me feel like that). I feel calm and I can relate to them alot of times. My favourite is Grom night it was beautiful.🤩

[@Kris-wo4pj]

ive see people say it with catdora as well. like bro catra acts like a jealous ex gf from the start and adora acts like she just wants to rush to being friends with her ex from the start. even not looking at it like that they had a crap ton of tension and history before and after the show began. it wasnt rushed. it reminds me of when people say certain redemption arcs are terrible cuz they didnt see every pain staking step in a side characters redemption or the show ended on just the beginning of it and its implied how they are going to keep redeeming themselves.

[@unknownbystander8145]

It's definitely rushed. Judging by their season one interaction, most would assume that Amity started to developed her crush in the "Lost in Language" episode which is her third interaction with Luz. There are two problems with this 1)though they more or less reconciled in their second interaction things still ended on a sour note and their third interaction isn't any better 2) the first season is meant to take place in the span of one summer(which is two months or less)and since there are 19 episodes this means one or two days pass offscreen at most (some episodes even lead directly into each other). The problem with the second point is after the "Lost in Language" episode their next interaction is in "Adventure in the Elements" which is 5 episodes later meaning they did not interact for a very significant chunk of time, which makes their friendly interactions in said episode (and the development of the crush)jarring to say the least.

[@riccardopersiani1769]

​@@unknownbystander8145 bro literally all you need to do is watch the video where there is objective evidence of why the relationship works well. episode 5 is the first spark where we see that amity isn't just a bitch but has values ​​and her problems. The 7th episode is the one that more or less clears up the misunderstandings, in the 12th they are more or less friends and from there the crush develops in a natural and realistic way for two queer people. In my opinion you don't understand one thing, what we see on screen are not their only interactions in the series. TOH is a series that has always had quite fast story pace, so not everything is shown on the screen. Luz going to Amity's secret room, Azura's book club, the fact that in episode 12 to meet up at the market there will have been talks, the exchange of tamagotchi and many other things. The CRUCIAL NODES are shown in the episodes, those that lead the two characters to improve, mature and get to know each other better. I really don't understand how you can deny all this. The only thing that comes to mind is that you are not used to seeing homosexual representations and it seems rushed to you because intrinsically you don't expect a love development between two people of the same kind, probably if they had been male and female you wouldn't have had any doubts. The video seems to me to put everything in black and white.

[@SogekingFirebirdStar]

Couples like Bughead from Riverdale are rushed, and then shilled by writers and shippers in hopes that people will ignore how toxic and dysfunctional they are. Lumity is not like that at all. We're treated to seeing both characters grow as people while gradually realizing the feelings they have for one another. And when they do get together, they're not displayed as perfect, still feeling awkward around each other because of course they are, this is something totally new for both of them. I cannot get over how a couple in a cartoon about witches and demons is so realistic and I love it.

[@nathancaldwell5443]

I love this ship. The development between Luz and Amity (namely Amity) as characters, the adorable ways they express their feelings, how they go above and beyond for each other even before Luz had feelings is such a beautiful thing. The fact that is the ship has blossomed into a fully-fledged couple only 8 episodes in shows that there is still much more to be explored now that they are official girlfriends. This video brilliantly explains every reason why this ship is so amazing and how well-paced it is.

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed! And you're so right, they're only going to keep growing and developing as a couple now they're together

[@unknownbystander8145]

During season 1 after Amity's introduction there only 6 episode of her interacting together with Luz, meaning there are 12 episode in total where they don't. And even if you add season 2's episodes to the count that still only only adds up to 10 interactions before they get together, which is definitely not enough especially considering how much gap there is between each interaction.

[@PinkPuffball1992]

When they asked each other out, I was literally like awwww, mah babies! I've never done that before like ever, even though I have plenty of ships and otps across multiple fandoms, I've never called any characters my babies except for Luz and Amity. That just shows how great the characters and their relationships are. Lumity is perfect, and I can't wait to see more of it

[@starrymlku]

Honestly, imo, I feel as though their relationship is developed realistically. It SEEMS rushed on Luz's end but it's nothing unrealistic. You can catch feelings for someone over a singular moment, it's completely normal and natural and I'm glad they portrayed it that way. Real life isn't all slow burn romance, you catch feelings quickly sometimes, it's normal.

[@Tintelinus]

Paticularly for a 14 year old lmao. Paticularly when Luz isnt exactly a character that seem to restrain her emotions either.

[@unknownbystander8145]

It didn't have to take multiple seasons but it should have had at least one full season dedicated to developing their relationship, cause as it stands it's not enough. After Amity's introduction there only 6 episode of them interacting together, meaning there are 12 episode in total where they don't. And even if you add season 2's episodes to the count that still only only adds up to 10 interactions before they get together, which is definitely not enough especially considering how much gap there is between each interaction.

[@krekcabnow2910]

Too many shows have these ridiculous years long romance arcs before they even say they like eachother. I am so glad this wasn’t over drawn out bs.

[@thecursedpotato6561]

Honestly this is just a romance problem and not just a gay romance problem. Crushes are dragged out for 50 seasons and either "pay off" at the very end, or when the characters do get together their relationship doesn't grow or change at all. Getting with another person isnt the end or the story, it's more of the beginning. Being with someone lets you learn so many things about yourself, theirself, and just caring about another person. Luz and Amity aren't going to stop being blushy and nervous for a while, because becoming comfortable around your partner takes time. Accept in a lot of media being in a relationship at any stage is just being around someone a lot and saying more flowery words to eachother

[@dylankornberg4892]

“Shows like She-Ra, Adventure Time, the Legend of Korea, and Steven Universe walked, so that The Owl House could fly.” You summed up my feelings perfectly, and I’m so glad I’m not alone in this opinion

[@ghoulieboy1264]

For me it's like this: crushes when you're a kid, lgbt+ or not, form SO quickly? Kids liking each other so fast feels really normal to me!!

[@rylie8989]

I think part of why some people (WRONGLY!) call it rushed (aside from being conditioned to wait for the last second of the last episode for any lgbt relationship confirmation, i.e. being conditioned to accept the smallest amount of lgbt content possible) is because they see Luz's feelings in Escaping Expulsion and Through the Looking Glass Ruins as coming out of nowhere. And I see how they could make that mistake, she does go from completely oblivious to levels of disaster bi equal to Amity's level of disaster lesbian in basically one scene. But that's because that's just the moment Luz is finally recognizing feelings that have been there for a long time. In fact I think she's been attracted to Amity longer than Amity was attracted to Luz, pretty much from the very beginning. The arc is a little more subtle, but I think it's clear when you look at how actively and enthusiastically she pursues a friendship with Amity. We know Luz is not great at making friends, not having any at all on Earth. And if you look at the other people Luz gets close to on the Boiling Isles, she doesn't actually initiate the relationship with any of them. She only talks to Eda to get her Azura book back and then tries to run away, but has to work with Eda in order to get back home. She meets King through Eda. She only watches Willow from the bushes, interested to see her magic, until Willow accidentally drags Luz out over to her with her vines and then shows interest in Luz being human. And then she meets Gus through Willow. Once she spends time interacting with people, she ends up becoming friends with them, but she never initiates that interaction, and never would've gotten close to any of them if circumstances hadn't first forced them together. And then there's Amity, who fate honestly seems to be conspiring to keep from forming a relationship with Luz. And I don't just mean Amity not liking Luz bc of Luz humiliating her at school and the covenention. That might be what's focused on, but Amity actually causes even more trouble for Luz than the other way around. Luz gets Amity in trouble at school; Amity tries to have Luz dissected. Luz embarrasses Amity at the covention (in response to Amity's outright hostility I might add); Amity tries to force Luz to have to completely stop studying magic. Luz honestly has just as much right to be angry at Amity in Lost in Language as Amity is at her, but she's not. Instead, despite all that's happened, she's driven to form a friendship with Amity in a way that she's not been with any other person. But Luz kinda has a lot on her mind, having learned of Eda's curse before seeing Amity again in Covention, not to mention just the whole experience of adjusting to living in a brand new world where magic and monsters are real, all on top of just, ya know, the normal challenges of romance. So she doesn't realize at first that the reason she's so drawn to Amity is because she's romantically attracted to her. But Luz being the dramatic fantasy adventure story loving dork she is, Amity heroically rushing in at the last second to save her from certain death (and before anyone gets nitpicky, at the library and with Grom Amity was the one first in trouble, with Luz stepping in to save her, but the two ending up working together in both cases :P) is a perfect catalyst to help Luz finally recognize the feelings she's had all along.

[@fernandoparra6220]

Fuck u man, THAT IS SO WELL PUT. i love that explanation, makes so much sence, epsecially that fact about when she finally reilised, never thought bout that one. (It allways seemd off why a nerd with few friends would try her hardest to befriend her first bully, but this really puts into perspective)

[@fernandoparra6220]

Made my day better with this one ya did

[@rylie8989]

@@fernandoparra6220 aw I'm glad to hear it, thank you for saying so : )

[@Zamiiz]

As hard as it is to admit. if Amity was a guy, people would obviously assume he’d be the love interest, and no one would bat an eye. yet lgbt+ couples (hell even characters themselves) are criticized and put under a microscope every time. Let us gay be gay gdi

[@carolle9113]

reminded me of something I thought of "a gay serial killer is going to hell for being gay but a straight serial killer is going to hell for being a serial killer"

[@Theoneandonly._.]

What is gdi?

[@maddyhatter5807]

Honestly Lumity is the most beautiful relationship I've ever seen. I'm so glad Amity and Luz get to be happy together

[@notdwarflindsay]

they’re only saying its rushed because its not a 7 season long slowburn. some times characters u ship can actually BE together for much of the series (we hope). u dont always have to drag it out, plenty of healthy relationships start this quickly. its normal, less cinematic. enjoy the crush phase AND the relationship phase.

[@pixiequeen7148]

I agree. It feels like two kids just being happy together. Luz also seems like the type of person to process her feelings a bit more slowly too, which is why I think it took a while for her to reciprocate. It would’ve been nice to see more of her thought process with everything, but also these are two 14 year olds who are just dating for the first time; it feels like a natural thing to do to me.

[@notdwarflindsay]

@@pixiequeen7148 and with luz it makes perfect sense that once she realized and reciprocated, she jumped right into to asking her out. the impulsive excitement is very on brand for her.

[@unknownbystander8145]

It didn't have to take multiple seasons but it should have had at least one full season dedicated to developing their relationship, cause as it stands it's not enough. After Amity's introduction there only 6 episode of them interacting together, meaning there are 12 episode in total where they don't. And even if you add season 2's episodes to the count that still only only adds up to 10 interactions before they get together, which is definitely not enough especially considering how much gap there is between each interaction.

[@notdwarflindsay]

@@unknownbystander8145 given the kind of budget and pressure owl house has, and seeing as their relationship isn’t the main focus and goal of the series, they can’t really afford to make a whole entire season just about their budding relationship. plus, plenty of real relationships are created out of shared moments like theirs, it’s how they feel on the outside that we actually see, not the probably hundreds of internal thoughts they have.

[@unknownbystander8145]

@@notdwarflindsay Actually they could have if they took these episode out, "Once Upon a Swap", "Sense and Insensitivity", and "Really Small Problems". Take these episodes replace them with interactions between Luz and Amity, put them in between their third and fourth interaction t. The problem is that they lack enough interactions to make the development of the crush to feel natural, so do this and the problem is solved.(Note: Just to be clear these replacement episodes should be them interacting normally, meaning no signs of the crush should be shown because at this point it hasn't developed yet

[@emanuelrojas2]

Lumity could rival Kim Possible and Ron Stoppable in terms of well written relationships in media. It’s shows them as individuals first and then gives them time for development (for themselves or as a couple).

[@EnbyNomad]

Lumity for life, and i will die on this hill

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

I already have died on this hill my friend

[@warriorcat2287]

I think I've never seen a ship, that good. Not only the develoment and the sweetness (I'm not crying) are fantastic, it's absolutely healthy, honest and so natural handeld.

[@edo2514]

Great analysis, I'd love to also see an analysis from Luz's perspective.

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

The line from Luz that I keep thinking about is "I'm gonna get made fun of again." I wonder if at any point we'll get to see some backstory that will contextualise that line, because that would be really interesting to analyse

[@edo2514]

@@CurmudgeonMedia Oh, yeah for sure. I also meant regarding her and Amity, because I think the show's really focused more on why Amity would like Luz.

[@G.F.SF55]

This video sums up my thoughts better than I could do myself

[@MrBigtank78]

It’s crazy how in the beginning she went star crazy trying to get her badge back she literally almost got someone cut opened lol but overall I loved how this relationship was handled. Good Video!!

[@erenjaeuwus]

it's not rushed at all, i hate it when people say this i've encountered some but they happened to be homophobic as they called the owl house shitty for forcing a lesbian ship down our throats, having a bisexual main character, and they defended disney's forced straight princess marriages they basically said "disney couples getting married after 3 days of first time meeting>>>high school kids having innocent crushes and having a very healthy relationship and is a perfect representation of lgbt couples through a very sweet development of rivals to lovers"

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

I totally agree, it's infuriating when people will say stuff like "they're forcing LGBTQ+ relationships down our throats." People will say anything to try and validate their hatred and their bigotry

[@Tintelinus]

Hillariously enough the same kinda people also say shit like "if you want gay stuff in a show make your own shows" Well The Owl House is created by a bisexual woman so its pretty much a result of someone doing exactly that lol

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

@@Tintelinus It's funny, isn't it? They'll say "make your own shows" then proceed to get mad when a bisexual woman makes her own show with overt LGBTQ+ relationships :L

[@erenjaeuwus]

@@CurmudgeonMedia they'll literally say the dumbest shit possible just to have a really petty excuse to hate an entire show, and it's mainly towards the small details like luz being bi, raine being non-binary, and amity being lesbian. when these are literally not being constantly said like luz being "eda i like boys and girls" every episode, or amity being flirty with every girl, or raine saying "IM NOT HE/HIM, I'M THEM" during their first appearance (basically like those terrible stereotypes people have towards lgbt where like a gay guy flirts with every male he sees kind of idea). this show is the perfect way on how lgbt should be represented and it's just so lovely and amazing. but people really prefer a terrible disney movie where the independent princess falls in love with some dude 20 years older than her after meeting each other in 2 days and get married it's really upsetting, i'd take lumity's development over any disney couple any day

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

@@erenjaeuwus joke's on them, they're missing out on a rad show with great characters!

[@hadridurrani188]

The only reason why people say it was rushed was because Amity's feelings just came out of a left field. But after his explanation on how they developed I can understand now that it wasn't rushed. Like to be fair it's normal to fall in love with someone and start dating them within a span of 3-4 months. And his last statement on how 'they're still figuring it out' made me open my eyes to the relationship and realise that dating is not the end of the Lumity ship, it's just the beginning!

[@unknownbystander8145]

Amity's feelings didn't come out of left field, but they did lack time/development needed to make it feel natural. Judging by their season one interaction, most would assume that Amity started to developed her crush in the "Lost in Language" episode which is her third interaction with Luz. There are two problems with this 1)though they more or less reconciled in their second interaction things still ended on a sour note and their third interaction isn't any better 2) the first season is meant to take place in the span of one summer(which is two months or less)and since there are 19 episodes this means one or two days pass offscreen at most (some episodes even lead directly into each other). The problem with the second point is after the "Lost in Language" episode their next interaction is in "Adventure in the Elements" which is 5 episodes later meaning they did not interact for a very significant chunk of time, which makes their friendly interactions in said episode (and the development of the crush)jarring to say the least.

[@ViewerOnline101]

Lumity is one of the best developed relationships I've ever seen in a show. And seriously, rushed? It took a season and a half to before it became official (27 episodes). How is that rushed? Even if we're just talking feelings, it took at least 13 episodes for Amity to develop feelings for Luz and 21 for Luz to develop feelings for Amity.

[@helderchaqueco4452]

I also agree that in season 2 ep2 ( escaping expulsion ) was the moment Luz knew she had feelings for Amity, bc in episodes before, Luz didn't blush around Amity, like for example the grudgby episode, the part when Amity was telling her backstory and Luz was very close to her, Luz didn't blush, Amity was the only one to blush, and now we see Luz blushing when she sees Amity, like in the episode 5 season 2 ( through the looking glass ruins)we see Luz blushing when she saw Amity and in episodes following we see more of that. BTW I loved the part in ep 5 s2 when Luz told Amity that she came to see her and they both just blushed, which I thought was cute.

[@barubary218]

Some people seem to forget that early episodes. Like lost in language and Adventure in Elements all happen because Luz is trying to like become bros with Amity. A lot of people say ooo Amity had a crush on Luz but she never seemed to notice and then they forget that little nugget. Like Luz had early signs of crushing on Amity I'd say before Amity showed those same signs.

[@cartoonloverzxc3237]

Lumity is my very favorite relationship in cartoons right now it’s not rushed the mannerism show it

[@fubbgzr9606]

I've also thought lumity was rushed up till now, I joined the fandom when the pilot hit. I missed I big part of season one where most of the character development happened, so when Grom happened and the internet's reaction to other moments like these; I was confused and felt as this was sudden. After watching this video I've realized that I missed the big or subtle moments that brought them together this far to start the relationship. Thank you for speaking on this subject that I've or others have been parting sides on.

[@unknownbystander8145]

It's rushed regardless of whether you watched everything or not. Judging by their season one interaction, most would assume that Amity started to developed her crush in the "Lost in Language" episode which is her third interaction with Luz. There are two problems with this 1)though they more or less reconciled in their second interaction things still ended on a sour note and their third interaction isn't any better 2) the first season is meant to take place in the span of one summer(which is two months or less)and since there are 19 episodes this means one or two days pass offscreen at most (some episodes even lead directly into each other). The problem with the second point is after the "Lost in Language" episode their next interaction is in "Adventure in the Elements" which is 5 episodes later meaning they did not interact for a very significant chunk of time, which makes their friendly interactions in said episode (and the development of the crush)jarring to say the least.

[@citizenofkurtistown3855]

I am so glad we have the owl house. luz and amity are wonderful representation and real normalization.

[@justafreak8790]

I absolutely adore this video!!! Another thing I loved about their relationship was the lack of questioning their sexuality or making a big deal out of the fact they were both girls. That, to me, is so, so important. They didn't make the whole relationship arc about the typical "oh my god I have a crush on a GiRl, the horror!!!" It made me so happy that it just went entirely unquestioned, and accepted as normal. We need more relationships like this in media!

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

YES i totally agree, it's all executed so naturally

[@hastypastry6353]

6:33 Another thing I love about this scene is that there’s a double lie in it. 1. obv Amity isn’t doing it for extra credit she’s doing it because she wants to 2. this isn’t really a lie but Amity’s “don’t get your leggings in a bunch” jab at Luz doesn’t make any sense, because they’re both wearing leggings. I could only imagine the goal is to insult Luz’s wearing of leggings but Amity is just like, really bad at being mean. This seems unintentional but i’m pretty sure it’s deliberate subtext because in “I Was a Teenage Abomination” amity has her abomination draw a star on Willow’s head and says “Aww, it’s like mine! Except much smaller and more meaningless” Amity notes that Willow’s star is smaller even though hers and Willow’s are visibly the same size. TLDR: Amity uses insults in ways that apply both to her and the subject of the insult on repeated occasions, as foreshadowing to the fact that she’s putting up a front and failing at it miserably.

[@constantspider]

"alright so we have this new character and she's gonna become like an unexpected friend to the main chara-" "no, wait i think i have a better idea" "what is it?" "Make them fall in love, like make the main character and the new friend fall in love" "ok that's a really slippery slope you're standing on, how will people actually believe this?" "yeah that was the hard part, i think the thing we need to do is ease in the romance and then just make every single episode more development about their relationship" "ok, and the main story be kind of a side story?" "yeah, because i guess if we put a lot of effort into the relationship of these two, i feel like people will make compilations and reactions and things."" "i love feasting on free advertisement, i'm in" "only one thing, can we exile the owl on the door?" "no" *THIS IS A JOKE*

[@heyfell4301]

It isn't a "magic school" show if it doesn't have at least some LGBT romance or insinuation, specially with the "rich bully archetype". I'm looking at you, Little Witch Academia! I want Akko and Diana married *RIGHT NOW!*

[@ALu-nq8rf]

YES

[@bIinger]

YESSS

[@lizzieheartswifeandgf]

DIAKKO SUPREMACY YES

[@standardhuman8675]

Lumity ain’t rushed. Have you ever seen a WLW relationship go slow? Jokes aside, they’re also kids. Kids don’t slow burn in real life. The longest part is working up the courage to ask your crush out, actually getting a crush takes 5 seconds

[@ellienas5179]

I agree the only reason it appears rushed is because they didn't do that dumb trope most TV shows do of that 'will-they-won't-they' crap which can drag on on for three freaking seasons. They had a crush on each other so boom they got together, no drama or love triangles or any of that.

[@DitzyDew]

Usually, they would become "just friends" after Luz tried her best to become her friend. But they took it to a whole next level. And I frickin love it.

[@archenemy9802]

There is something even more important about the scene where Amity admits that Luz isn't a bully. It's that Amity said, "I haven't been the nicest witch either.". It shows us that Amity sees Luz as more of an equal. And she also acknowledges Luz's biggest aspiration. (That Amity understands)

[@hannahorr6079]

the development in their relationship from friendship to lovers was perfect.

[@theanemogoddess9771]

people keep saying that they’re too young to be dating but then go ahead and ship marinette and adrien? it’s ridiculous how some people’s brains work.

[@garfieldturismo]

And even after the incredible episode that was knock knock knocking on hootys door, we got EVEN MORE development with the episode that follows when we get to see Amity's fear of not meeting the standard she puts into herself with her relationship with Luz. I love this series so much and we love our incredible girlfriends even more

[@401Sakura]

I can't speak for others but the reason I felt it *seemed* rushed was not from a plot perspective but from a time perspective. For me, personally, it's really hard to get a sense for how much time is passing in the demon realm; how long has Luz been there? I feel like I don't have a good grasp on that and it felt like Luz hadn't been there long enough to form such a close bond (for what it's worth I felt that about her friendship with Willow and Gus as well). After it was revealed that V had been going to summer camp for Luz and the summer was basically over (so presumably 3-ish months had passed), Lumity felt more natural and not rushed at all.

[@veryde_3356]

God, the "cute uniforms? SWEATING?" line is so cute I love it. The writers really managed to capture what a crush feels like for a teen.

[@tumblingartist]

Fantastic analysis! I can see how some might see the relationship as progressing fast just due to how much takes place in each episode, but it’s not rushed for that exact reason. The pacing lends to the character development Amity has and the growing bond she and Luz share. You’ve done such an amazing job explaining it 10/10 :D

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

Thanks for the kind words, and thanks so much for watching!

[@grayshigami6797]

Their development was the correct one and I'm in love with the ship, but it would have been even better if there were more moments where Luz realized that she liked Amity too

[@missbirdie4951]

in Other TV shows a Man and woman can hate each other, have no kind scenes at all, have hated each other for many episodes but in one random scene they kiss in the middle of an argument and everyone love it but with this it’s “rushed”

[@unknownbystander8145]

That example is way to extreme to be used as a counterargument. I personally don't know any show that have the romance that you describe, but I think it's safe to assume that those are Adult Sitcoms or just Sitcoms in general.

[@filmfreak1994]

I was so surprised and incredibly pleased that the show moved past Amity being the typical bully character as fast as it did. And even if she comes around on Luz in about three episodes, it's still paced well enough that we get some buffer time between these three episodes and enough buffer time where Amity can explore her feelings about Luz and become the disaster gay we've come to know and love. I've never gotten people who say Amity's feelings or her arc in general are too rushed because the fact that they got to the good shit as quick as they did made me love the show even more.

[@unknownbystander8145]

Judging by their season one interaction, most would assume that Amity started to developed her crush in the "Lost in Language" episode which is her third interaction with Luz. There are two problems with this 1)though they more or less reconciled in their second interaction things still ended on a sour note and their third interaction isn't any better 2) the first season is meant to take place in the span of one summer(which is two months or less)and since there are 19 episodes this means one or two days pass offscreen at most (some episodes even lead directly into each other). The problem with the second point is after the "Lost in Language" episode their next interaction is in "Adventure in the Elements" which is 5 episodes later meaning they did not interact for a very significant chunk of time, which makes their friendly interactions in said episode (and the development of the crush)jarring to say the least. After Amity's introduction there only 6 episode of them interacting together, meaning there are 12 episode in total where they don't. And even if you add season 2's episodes to the count that still only only adds up to 10 interactions before they get together, which is definitely not enough especially considering how much gap there is between each interaction, particularly between their third and fourth one. It didn't have to take multiple seasons but it should have had at least one full season dedicated to developing their relationship, cause as it stands it's not enough.

[@ImperialGamer5]

This video does a good explanation of this relationship. And while I haven't been keeping track of The Owl House, I see this as something amusing as it is interesting. I have respect to everyone. So seeing this relationship expanding itself out is like, "woah. Okay, now you have my attention!"

[@Raeye1]

I think Luz actually had crushes on other people before Amity, because Luz was talking to the echo mouse about some other time or times she confessed to some unknown person or persons and was rejected for being too cheesy. So Luz wanted to try and be different in her confession since this was the first time that somebody may like her back.

[@laughsingay]

Every time I see clips of them in season two I just die of cuteness overload omg

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

let it just be known that getting a notification on my phone that read "*Laughs In Gay" commented" made my whole week

[@laughsingay]

@@CurmudgeonMedia Mission accomplished :)

[@beckoningkatfire5584]

I think the Amity and Luz is relationship is it being handled very well and it's not being rushed I💖 Lumity I mean think about it this is Disney's first ever gay relationship between two characters they have been doing straight character for so long

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

Disney have a habit of having gay characters who are sidelined or just not explicitly gay, but Lumity is 100% unapologetically gay and I love it

[@gracekim1998]

@@CurmudgeonMedia keep in mind it’s Dana and the writing team that does the show not the Disney is it executives (?) probably that word😅 but yea I get what you mean. Disney’s previous attempts were odd😶

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

@@gracekim1998 yeah no I get you! I just mean that Disney have a habit of executive meddling. Not just Disney, but CN and Nickelodeon as well. The studio pushback creators like Noelle Stevenson and Rebecca Sugar got was immense, and a lot of it has to do with appealing to foreign markets that respond very poorly to LGBTQ+ representation. It's very cynical, and both Dana Terrace and Alex Hirsch have spoken out against Disney's history of cutting or stifling LGBTQ+ voices

[@rinrin-ho9fq]

bro, your content is great. the quality of your videos is so much higher than some creators ten times your size, not to mention how well you cover the topics. i really hope your videos blow up, because i think you deserve it. thank you.

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

this comment made my day, thank YOU

[@pearlssz30]

Resume of video: LUMITY ISN’T RUSHED AND IT’S A BEAUTIFUL SHIP

[@edricsimp4698]

Maybe some people will disagree with me, but I think this is a very good character and relationship development I've seen so far, apart from Catra and Adora, but the creators did a very good job. And speaking why some people think it is rushed it's because how much episodes do the series have and how much seasons we are getting for the show (only 3).

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

the show deserves 8 seasons and a movie!!

[@anthonyryan7348]

@@CurmudgeonMedia Just like Mlp!

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

@@CurmudgeonMedia I agree!

[@unknownbystander8145]

People say it's rushed because it is lacking in meaningful interactions. Judging by their season one interaction, most would assume that Amity started to developed her crush in the "Lost in Language" episode which is her third interaction with Luz. There are two problems with this 1)though they more or less reconciled in their second interaction things still ended on a sour note and their third interaction isn't any better 2) the first season is meant to take place in the span of one summer(which is two months or less)and since there are 19 episodes this means one or two days pass offscreen at most (some episodes even lead directly into each other). The problem with the second point is after the "Lost in Language" episode their next interaction is in "Adventure in the Elements" which is 5 episodes later meaning they did not interact for a very significant chunk of time, which makes their friendly interactions in said episode (and the development of the crush)jarring to say the least.

[@Pb_2266]

As someone in a same sex relationship, i can tell you this did feel natural to me i related to amity so hard. *sans the initial rivalry and classism* The way i saw her crush on luz is actually similar to how i felt when i was crushing before i told my crush. And it took her a while to just come out with it, as it did with me.

[@pikapowerpickachu2596]

Do people forget that even ifs it only season two that the time in the boiling isles has passed to about a couple of months. So… they say it’s rushed possible based on the placements in the series but if we look at the facts, actions, and dialogue that they given us then I think people wouldn’t think it’s rushed. I think it’s been presented pretty beautifully. I’ll support this ship until the series comes to an end. 😌💜

[@mk-aka-morgan8386]

I never understood why people would say Lumity seemed rushed, I thought it was perfect 🥺

[@MxZui]

Loved this video! People only think it's rushed because it actually has progression each episode they interact and because people are accustomed to the mediocre writing of most romances. Most shows will straight up completely ignore their romances for whole chunks of the show! I can see people saying it's fast pace, but again that's just *progression* the thing stories are *supposed* to do

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

thanks for the kind words, glad you enjoyed my video! c:

[@pressftopayfrog1050]

the best thing abt the owl house moving at its own pace is that it allows the show to focus on more things, rather than dragging out luz and amity's relationship - by establishing that they WILL get together early on, and that they ARE together now, it opens the floor for other characters to shine separate from just luz and amity - like eda's curse and how she copes with it, king's familial troubles, even the emperor's coven and hunter get some insights into what they're doing. it treats all its characters like they're important, and equal. i love how quickly it moves and how it doesn't handhold the audience through its plot. to borrow a metaphor from dana, the stories and characters feel tightly knit together

[@aidendessler538]

I'm gonna cry when it's over.

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

same c':

[@sueflewelling3657]

@@CurmudgeonMedia realys we still have 11 ep to go. Ps I know ep 10 is not out yet but its hours away so I won't count it.

[@Bubbafanforever]

Them getting together isn’t rushed but amity having a crush on luz and even them becoming friends is so rushed

[@joieknox6447]

Honestly if you think their friendship is rushed then so is Gus and willows friendship with her. Luz is just a very lovable character and it’s pretty easy to see why she became friends with everyone she encountered basically immediately.

[@Watchchanuwu]

Lumity is the number one best thing in The Owl House, no one can change my mind, its cute, its wholesome, and best of all, it has build up

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

agreed!

[@PKLuver944]

Not only is this an absolutely fantastic breakdown of Lumity's development, but also a really well-produced video. Good job!

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

Thank you so much! I hope you stick around for future videos, I'm far from done talking about The Owl House

[@PKLuver944]

@@CurmudgeonMedia At quality and research similar to this? I'll subscribe and listen for hours!

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

@@PKLuver944 omg thank you for the kind words!!

[@dylankornberg4892]

Also, part of the reason I feel some think the development of Luz and Amity’s relationship is rushed is that we’ve largely been primed by previous shows that this sort of thing needs to take FOREVER to develop. Not just with LGBTQ romantic relationships, but romantic relationships of any kind. And personally I find it refreshing. Two characters who are so clearly in love with each other declaring that love without spending three or four seasons beating around the bush about it

[@StoryTeller796]

I would probably feel a little justified in giving Odalia a riddle puzzle box, and I'll also join in the pile of people who like this relationship because it's so sweet. Lumity is so healthy for both of their egos and mental health. "It can be cruel, poetic or blind. But when it's *denied*, it may be *violence* you may find". "If you are a Just Parent, please do not lie. What is the price for your neglectful mind"?

[@PinkGoblin]

Another reason this isn't rushed is because, unlike straight couples and ships in a lot of Disney's works, they both don't catch feelings at the same time. Amity was so emotionally touch starved, i guess you could say, that once she found someone who cared, she fell in love, because it was the first time someone had genuinely cared. Luz, on the other hand, has had crushes before hand, and her life wasn't as 'up tight' as Amity's was. This led for a not immediate realization, because she's had people there for her, and instead was a type of love, where she slowly started to feel things. Its like a balance scale, the Amity side of the scale has had the weight in it for a while, but soon enough, on the Luz side of the scale, the weight was placed there to. Their dynamic makes me so happy, their perfect. As Hooty said, "They're adorable, and deserve all the happiness!"

[@CurmudgeonMedia]

hard agree!!

[@ederamin9697]

The show is amazing. The relationship is definitely not rushed. Everything just seems so in place and so in harmony. Everything falls in place so nicely and perfectly. The subtle changes in their relationship are portrayed so amazingly. Well done to the cast

[@davidmays8974]

The reason to why I think people are saying Lumity is rushed is because for some reason when it comes to Lgbtq+ relationships (Mostly same sex romances from what I've seen), people are either overtly critical because it's gay, or just straight up attack the ship as a result of underlying homophobia. This can be shown within the RWBY fandom as well, trashing the ship Bumbleby (that also happens to be a ship between two women) and calling it rushed when it isn't even cannon yet.

[@carolle9113]

and then they say "I'm not homophobic but did you see the way that amity looked at luz on frame 3994?that's a look of hatred!"

[@davidmays8974]

@@carolle9113 Any sentence that starts with: "I'm not homophobic... but," you already know is going to be filled with homophobic nonsense.

[@illoney5663]

14:40 That scene is so adorable. It's also great that the nervousness and awkwardness in both of them is so utterly obvious, yet it just manages to be a fully sweet moment, no cringe or awkwardness on the side of the audience (at least for me). I'm honestly so used to seeing romantic scenes and just feeling like just watching it is so awkward I just want to look away that not having that sense is just great. One of the few times in a show where the writers managed to sell me fully on a romantic relationship.

[@tommydiaz-millan2438]

I don't feel Lumity is rushed. It's been very executed very well and Amity's redemption arc went very smoothly for me and I like that. Adventures in the Elements isn't mentioned much in here because it is where she cared about Luz's safety and not being angry about her wand and siblings being taken. Oh yeah and Dana Terrace already still made it clear when making the show, she didn't want much love triangles happening since romance isn't a focus much in this series.

[@unknownbystander8145]

Judging by their season one interaction, most would assume that Amity started to developed her crush in the "Lost in Language" episode which is her third interaction with Luz. There are two problems with this 1)though they more or less reconciled in their second interaction things still ended on a sour note and their third interaction isn't any better 2) the first season is meant to take place in the span of one summer(which is two months or less)and since there are 19 episodes this means one or two days pass offscreen at most (some episodes even lead directly into each other). The problem with the second point is after the "Lost in Language" episode their next interaction is in "Adventure in the Elements" which is 5 episodes later meaning they did not interact for a very significant chunk of time, which makes their friendly interactions in said episode (and the development of the crush)jarring to say the least.

[@scoobed792]

THAT'S RIGHT! IT ISN'T RUSHED OR DELAYED, IT WAS PERFECTLY PERFECT TO PERFECTION 😘

[@kingofflames738]

I'd say the only "Rushed" thing in my opinion is how fast we got to the grom episode. I feel like there should have been at least one more Amity focused episode before it, but I've always been very critical about flows like that.

[@gracekim1998]

Yeah me too😅

[@happyyoungseo]

This relationship got plenty of hints and a well timed progression throughout the series, I absolutely love lumity!

[@amitysluzara2022]

This is exactly why Lumity is so perfect

[@queenebonlyqueeneb5419]

Tbh it’s possibly the most adorable pairing I’ve ever seen and I can’t get enough of the two of them they are so wholesome and watching the character grow gah it’s such good writing and just makes me squee. I can’t get enough of the the little nuances building up their relationship to me it helped it feel so organic even if the last bit was shoved a bit by hooty