Unboxing and Take apart of the CYC-X1 Pro E-Bike Mid Drive Kit and compare to BBSHD PODCAST #5

Unboxing of the latest DIY ebike mid drive kit out of China the CYC-X1 Pro shot live on FEB FB last week with Luna's Mechanical Engineer Action Jackson. Is it the BBSHD killer? Or vapor? Not only do we open the box but also end up tearing the drive open to see what is inside and comparing it to the insides of a BBSHD.
02:56 Hub Motor Hype
03:55 GNG History
12:27 X1 Pro Unboxing
14:00 Weak Zipties
23:52 Annodizing Scratch Test
26:46 CYC X1 Motor Design
32:26 Tear Down Begins
40:11 Clutch Design
44:24 Tear Down Continues
47:45 Putty in a Motor?
52:05 Weighing Motors
59:29 Motor Comparisons
01:07:10 Tear Down Continues Yet Again

[@shawng8432]

I’ve watched this several times for the entertainment value, great stuff! Please give us an update on the new Gen 3, or do a tabletop on something else. Miss watching your videos. Also, waiting for the email notification of the return of the Luni upgrade for my Luna BBSHD 52v 1500 kit. 🤙🏼

[@SilverShadow2LWB]

Thanks for all the great explanations on types of processes, and manufacturing levels. You look like you're having fun. Nice haircut.

[@bobbuilder7222]

Good informative talk . like to see new stuff and what your views are on this . looking forward to the best next thing from Luna cycle.

[@brianb.2857]

I have installed the CYC X1 gen 2 on my bike. I can only speak to my initial impressions on the install and the appearance of the components so far. This appears to be a top quality kit. Packaging was very good and everything was in good shape on arrival. The motor is very high quality in appearance. I will update once I get some ride time on it.

[@stefan8269]

Any updates?

[@magzire]

@@stefan8269 he dead

[@paulvu823]

Updates?

[@fynnchiboy1060]

I put 5000 miles with very hard riding in all condotions and the motor and Controller (bac2000) works perfect. Just a battery died

[@rraymakers]

Apparently, these units were early edition/prototypes models and not final product. Luna Cycles could have been more clear about that. No mention of this in title or description. No "latest diy ebike mid drive kit" but "prototype diy ebike mid drive kit"

[@louieatienza8762]

I agree; probably because he sells Cyclone kits that anyone can buy direct...

[@videosforcatsanddogs214]

Luna should build their own ultimate mid-drive. With helical gears, belt drive, 5kw continuous power, silent operation. Would buy without hesitation.

[@gormanspacemarine]

Well done guys. Great job. You have actually made the shopping channel on TV more entertaining. Thanks again. :)

[@TheModernwarfare96]

Are you guys still planning on doing an install and review video of this Cyc x1 pro?

[@jfparent695]

What I like from the design of the CYC X1 PRO is the fact that the drive gear is external to the chain ring, similar to the Lift MTB (which is made in France). This reduces chain stay interference issues. Once they improve their consistency, this will be a very good option for bike where BBSHD does not fit properly. Things to improve on the CYC X1 PRO: 1. Quality. Rotor should be assembled with tight tolerance and permanently balanced, not just balanced with putty, kit should be complete; 2. Noise level. Change strait gears for quieter designs; Luna, time to assemble test bikes with these kits (adding missing component) and do another video. I hope you will work with these guys to improve the product for North America consumer. BBSHD does not fit on all bikes.

[@probablyhiding]

How long till we get a Luna CYC-X1 pro?

[@briandhoward6137]

Nice job guys, good information as always..and kudos to Ashley for all the camera work and everything else she does behind the scenes

[@knoxieman]

really enjoyed this, thanks so much for taking the time, Jackson knows his stuff, great to see you tear this kit down, really shows the lengths that you guys go to to make sure the products that you supply to your customers really are fit for purpose, looking forward to more videos like this.

[@mr1982davies]

Don't slate cyc they are listening to there customers go on there facebook page they have already updated some if the faults that have been shown in this video a black version x1 and torq sensing bb version is on its way watch this space

[@GuessWhoFromShaolin]

Thank you for your knowledge. I'm curious to see a take apart video on the Lift-Mtb drive kit. What are your thoughts?

[@michaelbradley7704]

The GMAC is the "next big thing" in hub motors, having regenerative braking on a internally geared hub that offers 1.5 times more regenerative return than a gearless hub, you could pedal it to not only maintain "stater charge" to free wheel but generate extra to charge your battery.

[@edsonkidwell9813]

Do you plan on installing this and setting the gear mesh at. Do you lube it with cr chain lube on that plastic. Gear to quiet it down ?

[@syclone777]

I love the podcast and appreciate you guys taking apart the motor and showing us what's cheap and what isn't. how he says no one's going to tear apart a $900 motor and see this stuff but if you tear apart a sunron you're guaranteed almost no customer service and considering you can get the bikes from China for $1,000 cheaper than they have it on sale currently I don't see the upside. His other podcast he talked about Parts availability which he said dealing with surron is difficult to random at best.

[@andriegilsson6623]

Who ever is doing the camera work is clearly ambitious on doing it well. Few pointers: 1) Something is definitely off on the rendering/export, Google the best settings for what ever editing program you are usng. 2) Make sure that the side camera on the slider is level. 3) Crop in on the slider footage so it fills the screen. 4) Make sure you check the white balance prior to filming. This is very warm. 5) I'm not so sure the podcast actually benefits from the slider movement. I'd rather have it still. 6) Make sure the center shot is symmetrical and place the camera at eye level, not shooting down. You have two cameras pointing at the table, it's enough.

[@LunaCyclesLLC]

thanks for the tips...we are doing all the camera work ourselves and learning as we go.... we are trying to make each podcast better each time...we dont have a lot of time for dinking with editing so we shoot live and edit live....we are trying to get better with every episode and your tips will help. We hope to find a good video guy in LA.

[@lehsu]

Tiger Motor U11 - When will you be selling this motor as an kit for e-bike conversion?

[@mackattack8627]

Nice motor and display boys good to see the G,s here with 11 sec Luke😉

[@billwilhite2190]

Does this motor bolt on in front of existing chain ring to the down tube?

[@AridersLifeYT]

Jackson is a credit to the team!

[@badbob8394]

I've always been taught that banging on a baring will damage the bearing race. You should use thermal expansion to work with bearings just under 300 degrees max!

[@michaelsanders9506]

It matters what are you using the bang on the bearing. If it's a socket the perfect size with a rag between it tap it right out Perryville caused no damage to the bearing race

[@brandonobaza8610]

@@michaelsanders9506 I could be wrong, but I think he's referring to damaging the _inside_ of the race from impacting the bearings. I've seen ball bearings punch indentations in bearing races from shock loading in CV joints.

[@CHUDHUCKER]

So, I was on the fence for about 2 weeks on this CYC, now I think I will wait till they see this video and make improvements. I still think they just need to take the findings here and run with it. Thank you for the review, thank you for saving my money. Now, what should I pick from Luna?

[@godtux]

Nice work, very informative.

[@KDoba]

Great video!!! So which one is the most powerful motor from Bafang guys?

[@marcomastromattei8481]

Great Video guys! and this is why i'm a huge fan of Luna Cycles! not operating in a vacuum, always researching the latest in Ebike evolution to ensure your customers are getting the best value! i've built 4 BBSHD's for me and friends.. i'm like a LunaCycles sales person out here north of Boston ! keep up the great work!

[@martinnicolasjuan]

Hey man Im in boston and am interested to have a quick chat about ebikes how can i reach you?

[@surfk9836]

This was shipped as a prototype. Why fail to make clear? Recent unboxings show complete kits, professionally packaged plus performance videos are positive.

[@HB-yq8gy]

What are the pros & cons of mounting the 5000w mid-drive CYC C1 pro vertical instead horizontal? I got a Trek 4500 all aluminum 19" frame 26" rims.

[@royprince8575]

Those outrunner drone motors have a very high eRPM that is more than most controllers for eBikes can handle. The controller that comes with the drone outrunners can't handle the starting amps demanded by eBikes. The question is what controller that manages the eRPM and amps is recommended for the outrunner drone motor? Thanks!

[@elevenAD]

is the BBSHD more durable than the Mac1000w hub motor?

[@dexgray4581]

ANY UPDATE ON THE *U-11 T motor* for electric bike use???

[@marthamryglod291]

So the motor build quality and the sprag clutch are the majority of the kit cost? The rest including assembly is pretty bad?

[@RuffKutz]

Glad to see "Thing" is still alive operating the mouse to the right hand side of the screen.

[@acidage]

The Grudge

[@rdkuless]

Very informative.. Can't you pack those gear with moly grease with a Lithium2 to make those gear quiet..?

[@Martins2012]

i really like this video. hoping for more innovation in this field. actually,...

[@frankhuber9912]

Still like my BBSHD. Thinking of buying a second one if I can figure out which controller can give me about 2000W continuous, something simple that doesn't require three months of testing in order to work properly. Pedal assist and good throttle is a must (that actually works the way it's supposed to, not the fucked up shit I was reading about) , gear shift sensor and ebrake cut off would be nice, decent display with a "Night" mode so those of us with cataracts aren't blinded by it... I'd be happy to hear any suggestions. It's for getting a Yuba Mundo and a trailer up some longer hills, I'm not looking to go 100 mph. Thanks.

[@videosforcatsanddogs214]

Hope Luna sells these with helical composite gears and belt drives to reduce the noise drastically.

[@hansolo7205]

Any of these motors work with belt drive?

[@mattrenegar476]

Absolutely love this episode! Really love how you guys dug deep into the motor designs and explanations! Thank you!!

[@alduarte4448]

Hello, do You guys know someone who makes an E-bike kit for road/drop handlebars bikes? Thanks

[@super-sim1665]

Love the video. I think chain would last better than gears due to all the grit going in the exposed gears like a grinding machine.

[@ajmann07]

Is there a way to adjust the clearance between the drive to driven (plastic) gear as it wears ? Are is it a throw away and install a new one ?

[@rocketstove007]

The PEEK gear is a replaceable ,its loader than the chain option, Eric states that this is a new development in the ebike market, that's not true Paradox kinetics have been using this system for years now. Not much if anything Eric says in this video is up to date or accurate.

[@northernfreelance5788]

Awesome review

[@gordonsmith7401]

will you be installing this in your foldable?

[@allthehobbiesbrady]

When's the next one coming ? I really enjoy these

[@rdkuless]

Why aren't Luna's Bafang BBS02 and BBSHD chainrings NarrowWide profile..?

[@gngelectric]

GNG is one of an agent to sell CYCmotor X1 Pro prototype . It is an honour that GNG can pack and send these prototypes to CYCmotor’s clients first.

[@frankcrawford416]

Does anyone know if their is a high power American one in the works by any company. Thanks.

[@DigiPal]

Does it need more maintenance, as it need two chain?

[@martysmith2422]

So is Luna going to sell these with an upgrade controller for 5000W?

[@rickc2222]

Great content! this is really "inside baseball" kinda stuff - interesting for us nerdy tech heads. But the video quality: 720p? really? and a top down view for tech/product shots would work really well here in this setting...

[@Akya2120]

Curious to see you tear down a gen 4 😁

[@kennymurphy1099]

I put a married mid drive with hub, I use gen 2 with a zugo and bafang hub motor, I have no trouble what so ever, I use both when I double and climb hills, the intrigated controller works well with me since I have 2 systems on my bike, I had my bike across the country in many city's and no trouble, power when I need it speed when I want it

[@aldesrochers]

Just your opinion on a Dewalt 60 v angle grinder drive by a ASI 400 for a mid-drive???

[@LunaCyclesLLC]

no completley different kind of motor made for ac power.... and you reallly want your bike motor to be brushless.... brushed motors are dogs.

[@aldesrochers]

@@LunaCyclesLLC what are you talking about???? I'm referring to Dewalt battery operated 60 volt angle grinder!! They could be driven with a ASI CONTROLLER since they are 3 phase 40 000 rpm motor with speed reduction of 3 to 1.

[@thingsdemystified]

The Dewalt is brushless

[@sheddyk9173]

How fast does this go?

[@highwaymen1237]

Jackson knows quality control.

[@VentureNW]

Only thing they have on their site now are the 2 Gen 2 chain drives... interesting. I can see why its not for sale @ Luna.

[@mav5204]

I have an m600 from frey is there a way to unlock speed from 45km ?do I need ludicrous controller or can it be programmed

[@thingsdemystified]

mav5204 Did you change the speed limit on the display? Press the plus and minus buttons to access the menu.

[@mav5204]

@@thingsdemystified yeah that works for my ultra but not the m600

[@thingsdemystified]

@@mav5204 Interesting. There should be a speed limit option in the settings on the M600 unless it's somehow locked out.

[@Unnaymed]

thank you :)

[@clementinforsea7950]

Ok..were can i buy this ?

[@edsonkidwell9813]

Well you could try putting the com in a toaster oven set to between 300 to 375. Just soften the epoxy then slide it back also you maybe able to change the advance at the same time

[@andykenyon2699]

I would love to see you revisit this kit version 2. The bdshd is looking kinda stale.

[@fynnchiboy1060]

I prefer this because with an bbshd I have to cut of my bashguard mount the bad thing I'm not Abel to find one and there are very expensive

[@EBikeBuilder_]

I take it you guys never put the CYC-X1 on a bike and tried it? Or at least didn't film it? What was the verdict?

[@Strange_Brew]

Funny 40 years ago the Chinese used to sit and take our stuff apart and analyze it . Now we’re doing the same thing!! Trading place’s.

[@larrykeller7603]

WHERE CAN I BUY THE MOTOR AND HOW MUCH ?

[@arronjohnston742]

i know this was a while ago but that cyc planetary gears look like they're the same as those on the mini cyclone

[@andyjame2978]

Easy peasy- and it works!!

[@n.a.3734]

When u start selling! Will b couple months atleast?!:/😍

[@devianb]

Random observation but, I like how the Coca Cola can is positioned where you only see "Cola."

[@Denvermorgan2000]

Looks nice but i think that exposed gear will really be a problem with sand and dirt.

[@billwilhite2190]

How much is the motor. Thanks

[@roywalls5595]

I thinking buying electric BAFANG BBSHD 48V 1000W for 15 speed mountain ranger A1 bicycle!!

[@gmeister03]

Wonder why they switched to chain drive.

[@paulsoultoukis4582]

Do a ME1507 mid drive can't find enithing ty keep up the great videos.

[@mattwhite-0564]

Did you say Surrons have bad batteries I’m having issues with mine and I can’t even get a replacement or anything it sucks out all my savings and can’t even afford a battery it sucks man

[@mattwhite-0564]

Is that for real that they have bad batteries????

[@simonwebb4829]

Do a review on the gen 2 and set them up on a down hill bike full power and compare 2021

[@robinrutschman]

It is great your are double checking the claims of the manufacturers. We all know the reputation of poor quality control of products made in China. Bafang appears to be the exception, however, when the other manufactures see this teardown video they hopefully will try to step up their quality control and make a better product so they can compete.

[@simonwebb4829]

What's changed on the bafang since the bbshd came out?

[@truthman5924]

Every time I go on the Luna Cycle site every damn thing is out of stock, and it take 100 years for the items I want to come back smh.

[@chrisortiz2466]

What a bunch of bums

[@thelast344]

Same. That's why I went with Paul the cellman at em3ev.

[@erichiles9568]

I want one that's already tested if theres no scratches then not tested

[@berktau272]

I want one! Will Luna be carrying these??

[@LunaCyclesLLC]

more than likely if they can get a complete product together...right now they still owe us money :) and have not even shipped the 4 drives we ordered 5 months ago.

[@doddi1]

@@LunaCyclesLLC is that not the same thing you have been doing to some of your customers over the years?

[@zeNUKEify]

OOOoohyea, Got that motor strapped on my bike as we speak

[@billwilhite2190]

Not hearing back from this company, can you tell me how this motor straps on plz and thank you?

[@zeNUKEify]

@@billwilhite2190 I got the beta model two years ago, and in that one, they sent it with a woven plastic strap. It doesn't hold up well and I decided to 3D print my own solution. I do believe they improved the mounting system though, but I couldn't tell you what it is now

[@billwilhite2190]

@@zeNUKEify ok. Thanks

[@nickrinkel1423]

i'm pushing 3,000-4,000 watts through my cyc x1 pro 52v version and plan to push more though it . the sprag clutch is between the outer cover that has the output shaft. be careful there are o rings..nsk clutch

[@happygiraffe9787]

Hey, how has your motor, cassette and chains held up?

[@nickrinkel1423]

@@happygiraffe9787 its a 1k$ door stop. Not worth it

[@happygiraffe9787]

@@nickrinkel1423 Oh thats interesting, what went wrong?

[@nickrinkel1423]

@@happygiraffe9787 their programming. It made it unstable. Every bump would cause it to cut out. Couldnt throttle much either because it would cut out under acceleration. The motor still works. Just not using it. I re programmed the controller for a different motor

[@happygiraffe9787]

@@nickrinkel1423 Hmm, I would have used it with another controller (vesc)

[@davidwitcher5443]

I bet that straight gear drive is loud AF!

[@larrykeller7603]

HOW CAN I BUY MOTOR?

[@captnemo2740]

looks like state of the art packaging

[@Rob_TheOne]

Motor controller for this kit is a giant manual switch with sparks

[@vincef7487]

Good information! Can't wait 'til this stuff is available for public consumption. But how 'bout enlarging the photos that show what is being talked about, and minimizing the two guys doing the talking???

[@coldrider3517]

Hey Eric and the luna cycle team , so with all them kwerks you are finding i suppose this is a kit that should be purchased in 2 or 3 years time when they have fixed them .... or will they .... . I am happy with the Cyclone 3K you sold me in 2016 , i'm working on a rebuild chassis swapping & upgrades .But the motor has no need for anything , Cheers & be well and safe from this f****** covid .Eric if you read this; health issue sidelined me for a couple years but im good now ty again for the support you have given me back then ;-)

[@ronaldharris6569]

I wonder why no small manufacturing company in the U.S. is making motors and drives like this

[@ChatGPT1111]

US labor laws including minimum wage and work hours ensure that other countries that have neither, such as China and Mexico, have a near monopoly on manufacturing for any market except those geared for the wealthy. Not saying US laws are bad overall, just the reality of the situation.

[@radoino9938]

Can somebody sum up the results of the video. I cant watch 90 min...

[@kermit56780]

don't.

[@radoino9938]

@@kermit56780 dont?

[@JohnSmith-sv5hy]

Engines come apart. Then they talk about what they are seeing. Does that help?

[@acidage]

@@JohnSmith-sv5hy 😂😂😂

[@niklashultkrantz7766]

Me to thanks.!

[@geraldshields9035]

Nice but the costs have to come down or Bafang is going to continue to dominate!

[@JohnSmith-sv5hy]

I really missed the intro with Erics free music. That graphic spinning head needs that. I could not stop smiling. Bom ba diddee, bom ba diddee bom ba diddee! Also great video. I am also a fan of POT ting! Eric is Drugs.

[@jack-wl8uj]

Eric, why do you have a microgram scale anyway?

[@LunaCyclesLLC]

it helps him identify fake cells and is good for other types of battery testing

[@dylantheriault9007]

CYC X1 Pro Gen2 motor fixes all the issues mentioned in this podcast.

[@seetheanimal5867]

Don’t the magnets sometimes fall off tho ?

[@dylantheriault9007]

@@seetheanimal5867 I have three CYC motors ( two Gen1 and one Gen2) and have been riding them for over two years now and I can say that I haven't had any magnets fall off.

[@tonielcock8891]

Very good and quality fast motor.

[@IMINLOVEWITH]

Ain't the Joe Rojan logo.? Dam they straight took Joe's idea..haha 🟥🟥🟥🟥🟥🟥🟥🟥

[@huyodepartment]

People buy BBSHD because it is stupid friendly, and it is IP65 waterproofing.

[@DN4AGDX]

Ill stick with my bbshd. Though the chain drive unit seem interesting.

[@thingsdemystified]

AZ FIG if you want a relatively low-powered system, sure