Luton Airport car park fire: What the media is not saying | Auto Expert John Cadogan

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[@user-de4uk5dz2f]

Hi John. Here is a story that will amuse you and the viewers. I volunteer to conduct maintenance checks on a small fleet of ambulances in regional WA. Recently we received a brand-new Mercedes sprinter Ambulance. All mod cons including, adaptive cruise, lane assist etc. But no dip sticks to check the engine oil. The first week we had it took a while to commission and long story short the batteries became flat. When I tried to unlock the doors, of course nothing happened. It was then I realised there was no mechanical key which the older vehicle keys have as an option for such eventuality. All ambulances are fitted with an external charger so all we had to do was charge the batteries and all was well. Of course, I would imagine that if you buy the vehicle for other purposes there is no external charging option. What is one supposed to do? you can't get to the engine bay (release is inside the vehicle) and there's no way of opening the doors. I discussed this problem with the local Mercedes dealership service manager, and he said there is no solution that he knows of! Indeed, he asked me how we managed to open the doors. He suggested we keep the window wound down halfway... A vehicle that costs probably around $80,000 and if the battery goes flat no one can unlock it. Now that's what I call money well spent. R

[@wrongfootmcgee]

leaving the window down half way is a solution for an old POS with 'trick' doors warped frames and mostly rust and body filler not a supposedly state of the art rescue vehicle and the price is a bit higher than 80k for those ambulances

[@OldSkoolUncleChris]

You simply smash the glass you mug 😂

[@robwindridge7804]

They call this progress, all the progressives that they know better than everyone else. The Green Marxists . Watermelons 🍉, green on the outside red on the inside .

[@Dr.Jellyfingers]

The Merc key is releasd from the remote fob and fits in a slot under the door handle, surprised the dealer doesn't know this !

[@user-de4uk5dz2f]

@@Dr.Jellyfingers not in the latest model

[@davedorney700]

I work in a fire testing facility everything he is saying is legit, very good advice

[@PowerOn-]

Hopefully you have learnt something from the actual evidence that it was a diesel vehicle that was the cause of the accident.

[@nealc.6927]

What I particularly loved was the way the concrete hadn't even cooled down before they were blaming 'Diesel' for the fire. Never in all the long history of the Fire Service was an investigation carried out and wrapped up so quickly . . . "Nothing to see here, move along, please!"

[@bsimpson6204]

BBC did this in the 13.30 news, by 6pm news they didn’t comment on what kind of car it was (they probably knew by then it was a hybrid)

[@Globetrotter-1]

Whoever thinks this was a diesel ⛽ car fire 🔥 is absolutely crazy 😂 The fact that the press and a 🚒 firefighter was so quick to jump to conclusions and state that it was a "Diesel' before any searches of wreckages and reports were even attempted should ring alarm bells 🔔 The fact that the owner of that so-called single vehicle in flames has not come forward. The fact that the person videoing that lone vehicle has not come forward or been named...or even why they happened to be casually filming at the time...and not bothering calling 999. The fact that a second video of the same car filmed from the front just happened to turn up online days later...🙄 The fact that it hasn't even been established that this was filmed at the Luton car park... The fact that no actual proof of anything so far. The fact that this single vehicle caused the collapse of a whole level of car park on top of another... It's all far too suspect...and definitely a cover up.

[@lillie13ify]

There was literally a video of the start of the fire being a range rover...

[@nealc.6927]

@@lillie13ify Yeah. Would you care to explain why the fire appears to be on the offside front wheel and NOT from the engine bay?

[@Globetrotter-1]

@@lillie13ify Where is the actual proof that this vehicle was the 'start' of the blaze...where is the proof that it was actually taken in that car park ...where is the time-stamp showing the actual time of recording the video (to match with time if car park fire)...where is the owner of that particular vehicle...who was it that hung around videoing that particular vehicle...why would that same person inside a carp park, walk past the blazing car to casually film the front of the vehicle...then wait several days to release footage of the second video? I say that it is all bullshit and an obvious cover up.

[@sukikahlon1]

As a former mechanic, that was a beautiful investigative analysis 👌 Everything you said was spot on

[@jasoncatt]

Except he was wrong. The car's registration number is E10EFL, registered to a Range Rover Sport Diesel. Not a hybrid.

[@zoobrizz]

Hilarious. EV = 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@jasoncatt]

@@zoobrizz Or, in this case, diesel = 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@davep3969]

Apart from the bit where he said 'literally all the information on these vehicles has the battery on the left'. The workshop manual has it on the right. The fire rescue App has it on the right. NCAP in their crash reports has it on the right. In fact everywhere I've looked, as a mechanic myself has it on the right. He's just googled the first marketing image he could find and ran with it. What a muppet. As a so called auto 'expert' I thought he would have checked with the manual or some technical resource. Maybe, just maybe, he's not an 'auto expert' after all and he's just another KZbinr that's slave to clickbait.

[@jasoncatt]

@@davep3969 Not to mention that he literally has no idea and it's all conjecture. The number plate has been traced back to a 2014 Range Rover sport diesel V6 - not a hybrid.

[@TheRealWindlePoons]

Excellent advice on identifying the fire exits and getting out. This applies to any building (or aircraft, car etc.). Early in my career (40 years ago) I was forced to become a part-time fire and safety officer at the engineering works and iron foundry who employed me. I was sent on a week's course. The excellent training (from RoSPA - the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents) has left me with a lifetime routine of identifying the emergency exits wherever I go. At worst this is a harmless habit but at best it could save my life.

[@drstrangelove4998]

Yes, I’ve attended various fire safety courses in my career. The first thing they recommended, like you, is scouting out the building’s fire exit. Secondly one advised keeping valuable and essential items, wallet, passport, keys etc in a small grab bag available as you flee.

[@daviddaw999]

One thing I do when seated on a plane is count how many rows of seats I will have to climb over to get to an exit. When it's dark, and I need to get out as quickly as possible, I will not be attempting to join a disorderly queue in the aisle.

[@skip181sg]

When booking your seat on a flight make sure your seat is 7 or less rows from the emergency exit Beyond that ONLY getting into the emergency position and kissing you A...ss good bye is of any worth

[@hairyairey]

​@@daviddaw999unfortunately your strategy is likely to kill you. The extra effort in climbing seats will cause you to suffer more seriously from smoke inhalation. Then you'll probably create aggression at the exit if you get there, killing more people. Better to get out slowly and live than rush to your death. Get down and follow the lights.

[@DrFod]

The fire resulted in £20 million of improvements to Luton Airport. Anyone who regularly visits Luton will be devastated to know that it didn't spread to the town.

[@offshoretomorrow3346]

😂

[@monteceitomoocher]

I'm told Loo-ton is looking better already 😂.

[@davidadams5116]

good one ha ha ha

[@garyminion9610]

😂😂

[@pwccfc]

Haaaa. 😂😂

[@Paul_Allaker8450]

Our medias take on this event has been of the "nothing to see here, move along" genre. The fact they rushed to exonerate EV involvement just proved it was an EV. We're not all that stupid. Great analysis and conclusion. 👏🏻👏🏻

[@MustangBoss1973]

Unless you’re mayor of London

[@Neojhun]

Exactly nothing to see here, it's just DIESEL Range Rover Sport L494 on fire. The FRONT LEFT is the CATALYTIC CONVERTER, there should be no reason why the area around a CATALYTIC CONVERTER could catch on fire. (sarcasm if you didn't get it) The media just wants to BLAME Electric Vehicles and ignore the mechanical facts.

[@Neojhun]

FYI The EV Charging Stations are in Terminal Car Park 1 ONE. This building that burnt down is Terminal Car Park 2 TWO. Nothing to see here, move along. Just ignore the facts.

[@rogerphelps9939]

You need to be corrected. The investigation found that it started in a Range Rover. No EVs were involved.

[@PowerOn-]

Unfortunately you and Jon Cadogan are WRONG.

[@SurvivalistChick]

Absolutely bloody brilliant. You're a hell of a writer, and clearly stuffed full of common sense, knowledge, and pragmatism. Thank you for your insightful and hilarious commentary. I was driving on the M25 when this was happening. I had never before seen a sign on the gantry saying that Luton was closed. I knew something serious must be going on. My first thought was terrorist attack. As I was driving, I couldn't look it up. Come to find out, it's a damn Range Rover that's exploded!

[@MrFlazz99]

I was over in the West Midlands (M54) when I saw a sign about it. At least Luton is fairly close to the M25! I had the same thoughts - terrorism, but also airliner crash and (cynical third thought) maybe an EV fire. Also knew that The Authorities would have issued endless obfuscating denials if it had been the third option. As JC pointed out, words like 'believe' don't belong in objective reporting.

[@jp-ty1vd]

what in the fk would happen if a couple of ev's batts were tinkered with to go boom on demand?? holy poo-poo Batman!

[@xntumrfo9ivrnwf]

To be honest, this is an improvement for Luton

[@chrisblockley5783]

Cruel but fair.

[@bobgorman9481]

The repair cost is estimated to be around £26.95 😅

[@themekfrommars]

It has not impacted the passenger experience at all!

[@tardeliesmagic]

Yes,makes it look like Syri@ 😂 Very homewarming.

[@orsoncart802]

Correction: Lutonistan.

[@emilianozapata175]

My my. Imagine all those years of no Airport multi storey car park fires, with all those diesel cars parked over the decades. We should count ourselves so lucky to have survived 🙄.

[@greendrummers]

Indeed, if we knew they were so dangerous... 😂

[@SmallWonda]

So deliciously eloquent! Not sure if you'll also note that the Rover was still in the drive lane, it wasn't parked. They did concede that several EVs burst into flames. I believe they said sprinklers should be installed in all multi storey car parks - but, would it really help in such a situation.

[@AdrianMidgley]

From the Dutch example, yes. The help might only be a short delay, but that may be critical.

[@onelineal9382]

In the UK, because of the fires when the car is charging on the owners property, some cars have gone on fire and caused significant damage to their property,thus Insurance companies are either refusing to insure the property or loading the premium, I've also heard the insurers ask if your next door neighbour have a EV charger,even if you don't

[@charlesbarnett2724]

😮

[@davidhancock91]

It was a diesel hybrid Range Rover, and the fire started around the front left quarter, where the HV battery is located.

[@ItsAllJustBollox]

The vehicle has been identified it was a 2014 RR Sport V6 diesel registration E10EFL videos have confirmed this.

[@oliverpolden]

It seems so but it’s not confirmed yet. Nor is that number plate that people have been throwing around. Until I see a picture myself showing the number plate, it is just a random number plate someone has found.

[@oliverpolden]

What videos?

[@colinanderson7108]

Whos a good little shill house then.. On parrot mode @@ItsAllJustBollox

[@LiamE69]

@@oliverpolden 100% confirmed. The reg is visible in pics taken from the reverse angle.

[@SiCrewe]

Glad to see SOMEBODY else noticing this. The fire is clearly at it's most intense at the left side of the vehicle. Even if we assume ANYTHING else started the fire (DPF, starter motor, evil pixies), there's clearly something under the left side of the vehicle that's much more flammable than the rest of the vehicle. I wonder what that could be???

[@eileenemmins5875]

A battery maybe

[@mikehunt8968]

That is where the DPF is positioned on that car..... it's a 2014 Range Rover Sport 3.0L diesel, and is registered as such, check the reg number to obtain the details E10EFL

[@AdrianMidgley]

@@eileenemmins5875 Batteries are heavy. So they are central. So doubly no.

[@hakan8997]

@@AdrianMidgley You haven´t seen the video. That´s makes you a TROLL!

[@hakan8997]

@@mikehunt8968 And that reg nr was at another place..NOT AT LUTON AIRPORT!!!!. Please dont talk to your mother when watching these kind of videos.. Or stay with cartoons..

[@paul41to45]

you are 100% correct on diesel characteristics, I was trying to get rid of some small tree stumps last year, and after hacking, I tried burning them. I only had gasoline and diesel available and I wanted a slow burn, not an explosion so the diesel was my choice. Small butane lighters would not start the fuel, so I finally got the diesel burning with a propane torch. Lots of black smoke too. Thank you for your insights.

[@gdll9247]

There is a lack of understanding of the difference between the flashpoint and the autoignition temperature of petrol and diesel. On a hot surface it is diesel that will ignite at a lower temperature. Petrol is likely to evaporate before ignition and would then require a spark or flame to ignite.

[@carrollsanders9376]

​@@gdll9247Yes it all depends on flash point.

[@user-db1tj2yv1c]

The car's registration number is E10EFL, registered to a Range Rover Sport Diesel. Not a hybrid.

[@carrollsanders9376]

@@user-db1tj2yv1c I never even looked Like a Lithium battery fire, knew it was diesel all along.

[@user-db1tj2yv1c]

​@@carrollsanders9376A NEW SCAM BY ` ANTI-EV CHANNELS ` IS REPORTING YOUR COMMENTS AS FRAUDUALANT, SPAM, DECEPTIVE - TO CREATE A STRIKE ON YOUR CHANNEL - TO SHUT YOU DOWN....

[@johncampbell9646]

I am a retired electrical engineer, and I love your sense of humor. Every point you make is true. The customers always try to cut corners. I once built a 2 million BTU tank heater. When I pointed out that they needed a level switch for the tank they declined the extra 2563 dollars. Guess what three days after signing off on the job. Some moron forgot to check the tank. It melted in around 6 mins. So back we came as they paid us to remove the wreckage. And replace the burners, tank, and add a level switch. They will not change anything till lots of people die.

[@jed-henrywitkowski6470]

As the son of a professional truck driver and former "armed gas station attendant" (Mitltary fuel truck driver) as my mom would sometimes teasingly call him, I can tell you that diesel does take some effort to get going. Take that for what it is.

[@jed-henrywitkowski6470]

Forgive me, I jumped the gun (come and get me yah bloody Bobby's lol) regarding Disel's reluctance to combust.

[@nathanhale6477]

"Diesel does take some time to get going." This is exactly why most, if not all, schools got rid of their gasoline powered school busses after the Carrolton Bus Crash.

[@jfro5867]

I expect it was an EV hybrid simply because of the obvious MSM blackout. If it WAS a pure diesel I would bet my house they would be shouting it from the rooftops. BTW I live in England, the EV greenwashing is in full on mode here, same with heat pumps, solar, turbines and all the rest, even though we contribute less than 1% towards global emissions.

[@globalist1990]

What blackout? 🤦‍♂️ If anyone wants a blackout, it's Range Rover, specially because it's a uk brand.

[@LiamE69]

It was a diesel. They know the reg number.

[@johnlesoudeur3653]

Range Rover is owned by The Indian company Tata Motors.@@globalist1990

[@sempereadem54eadem64]

@@LiamE69😂😂 diesel does not explode

[@LiamE69]

@@sempereadem54eadem64 It burns. As does a lot of other stuff in a car. The only "explosion" was caused by the floor collapse.

[@Steve_Wardley_G6JEF]

Spot on with your analysis there, in fact an eye witness that appeared on British TV shortly after the fire said he'd seen a "JET" of flame emitting from the vehicle which set fire to neighbouring vehicles. Needless to say his testimony has never been aired since to my knowledge. This stinks of EV technology. The raft of insurance claims and counter claims is likely to drag on for years.

[@PowerOn-]

Except John was entirely wrong in his assessments - it's now confirmed a diesel caused the accident

[@michael.randall5034]

@@PowerOn- The cause is irrelevant the fire loading due to the presence of EV's which burn at 2500 degrees C would be the cause of collapse. Such high temp would cause the concrete to fail and the steel re-enforcement to expand, a common cause of collapse. This will happen again, You cannot have a chemical incident occurring on this regular basis

[@raycollington4310]

Funny I live 30 miles from Luton Airport and it takes an Aussie some 12,000 miles away to give me the best assessment of the event. Thanks Mate, like the channel and may come back.

[@PowerOn-]

Except John was entirely wrong in his assessments - it's now confirmed a diesel caused the accident

[@raywagner8016]

I'm in very rural Northern BC Canada. I have seen plenty of diesel powered vehicles burn over the years. Here are some common denominators. The fires were started initially by; (1) Electrical failure resulting in plastics beginning to burn (as you mentioned) (2) Failure of the turbo at load. This isn't a situation where the vehicle was idling or cruising through a parkade with a low EGT. It was a situation where loaded commercial vehicle are climbing steep hills. (3) Some sort of oil line or oil cooler failure, again, with that vehicle under load and the oil ignited by some source of heat... like a turbo. I am particularly familiar with one circumstance where my own Ram 3500 diesel burned on the side of the highway one evening. It had taken damage to the grill and an engine or transmission cooler by a large rock from a passing vehicle. Approximately 2 hours of highway driving later after several stops to check for leaks, I believe the oil cooler failed and the oil was likely ignited by the hot turbocharger of my Cummins Diesel engine. My fire extinguisher did not have enough capacity to extinguish the fire. Here's the important part. After roughly half an hour of burning, the diesel fuel tank began to melt (Plastic Poly of some sort) and leak. It did not explode. The diesel ignited under the vehicle, on the ground, in a pool and that pool slowly and lazily burned as it migrated away from the vehicle and extinguished itself roughly 3 meters from the burning vehicle. This was clearly visible from my vantage point 50 meters away. Trust me, that was close enough given the explosions from the inflated tires as they burned and failed. I see a fire external to the engine compartment. Vehicle lights still on meaning the 12 volt system is not affected. Doors closed, so not an interior fire. A very hot fire nowhere near a fuel tank location. A vehicle operating at next to zero load so don't talk about a regen canister blow-out. A fire that just happens to be in the same location as this model hybrid's battery location. In this Luton case, there is no pool of lazily burning diesel on the ground. This fire is unrelated to whatever petroleum product may be in the vehicle. Being as the flames are acting in a manner that they are being propelled, like a burning battery does in thermal runaway, there is absolutely no reason to "believe" this is a diesel related fire. I guess we will have to wait and listen to what the media is told to say. As of this writing, I call bullshit on non-EV related.

[@danharasty6686]

Just apply prior mentioned Spooky Ability and ask driver what make car it was .

[@raywagner8016]

@@danharasty6686 So far, that's the only person nobody is allowed to talk to. Besides, If I owned that car, I'd slide off into the night and wait for someone to phone me. Then I'd claim someone stole it.

[@patagualianmostly7437]

Exactly; This fire in Luton,,, was almost 100% NOT caused by diesel...... Certainly not alone. Look at the photo/video: Fire is to the front and left of the car. And burning violently.....yet the lights are still on, on that vehicle...... It's a sham and /(as an ex Fireman from the UK) I am ashamed that a so called Senior Fire Officer can STATE as he did.... "The fire originated in a diesel Range Rover". Bull Sh#T of the highest order. Than man must be reprimanded at the very least: You do not give such opinions within minutes of arriving at the scene. You wait for the full investigation. He's obviously a puppet of the Government....or at least his HQ are.

[@johngibson3837]

Hey up ray yep your right on the money mate that's the diesel way it definitely doesn't explode

[@morninboy]

You do not make sense to me. What was burning? There would only be a minority of electric cars there. If it was a deisel hybred they are the most likely to catch fire, followed by ICE and then electric. The whole car park burnt down and the fuel played a part

[@bingoteeth2047]

I worked in the FRS in the UK for over 30 years. The use of the word "believe" is a breathing space so that the Service can position itself in the best part of the final truth. When this changes is when there is loss of life. Senior Managers do not want to "believe" because that has so many more serious implications for them if they appear to have misled the Coroner and or the public. In those cases they always say "cause under investigation". I can't remember being involved in a diesel fire that wasn't malicious in nature, as a result of a high impact or, and rarely, and electrical issue. Hell I am struggling to remember such fires. Lorries that are the main users of diesel on our motorways typically have brake fires that set fire to frozen fish fingers in the back and the Fire-fighters spend their time slipping around on un-ignited diesel. They will do anything to save fish fingers.

[@DerykRobosson]

If they go in for fish fingers and custard, they'll have shown their true dedication.

[@digger1900]

Must be the right custard

[@wildliferox2]

Your advice to get away from the smoke plume - I've made a note. I didn't realize. Nature and TT News have some interesting articles.

[@AdrianMidgley]

Today the fire service's website - news page - says established - the belief has been confirmed.

[@steelstrider5987]

Hi John I live about 30 miles from Luton Airport and what we are hearing from friends who live close by it turns out they are reporting white grey ish smoke coming from the car park so I think you are right m8 it must have been a hybrid or pure electric car all the best John

[@Neojhun]

2014 Pure Electric Range Rover does not exist. Stop with insane assumption.

[@GariTheFerret92]

DVLA site shows a pure diesel with the reg of the vehicle.

[@rogerphelps9939]

Time has shown your comment to be dead wrong. It was a Range Rover and no EVs were involved.

[@Andymac1701A]

This video raises a whole new set of thought processes in my mind. Thank you so much for this content, I have not seen anything so well structured about this subject. I live close to Liverpool and I had not realised the implications of the fire in the car park there. Unfortunately, the uk government are not too good at learning lessons, for example, the Grenfell Tower fire.

[@georgecurtis6463]

I worked on mercedes vehicles for all of my career. And diesel fuel leaks were as common as folks drinking coffee in the morning. And in all those years and all those leaks, i never saw or heard of a fire caused by those diesel leaks. Diesel just takes waaay to much to catch fire. Soooo, my honest opinion is that this fure was not caused by a diesel leak.

[@torukmahtomahto409]

They are writing a new science, from 9/11, Plandemic, Green and Climate..

[@jonathanbuzzard1376]

I don't think anyone said that. Just that the vehicle that initially caught fire was diesel powered. The idea that only EV's catch fire is nonsense. Once a fire has started in a car park like that it is always going to be a sh*t show, regardless of the fuel type being used by the vehicles.

[@johnpublicprofile6261]

Diesel vehicle fires are common, but it is the effect of heat, vibration or chemically degrading the vehicle components that tends to initiate the fires. In this hybrid it may be the lithium battery that was the major accelerant, but initial ignition point may still have been due to the use of a deisel engine.

[@MrGundawindy]

@@johnpublicprofile6261 was it a hybrid, or are you just assuming that because of this video?

[@johnelliott9415]

I agree with you, the colour of that fire has to be the battery

[@stevo184]

A side note. BYD has had numerous battery fires in China, but it's not published because the government says so, it's not good for business.

[@oldbloke204]

BYD now a shortened version of "burn your driveway."

[@tardeliesmagic]

They have thousands sitting idles in fields! They build them just to show/tell the world they've build so many of them.

[@donktec]

But of course you know this

[@stephenburnage7687]

The reason diesel (and not gasoline) is used in boats (of all sizes) is it is very hard to ignite (boats being no place to escape from in case of a fire). If you ever see a boat on fire, it is because it is one of the few with a gasoline engine.

[@AlanWilliams-su4bs]

And that’s ALWAYS the case??

[@stephenburnage7687]

@AlanWilliams-su4bs If you are asking whether a boat with a diesel engine & tank can burn, yes, of course it can, depending upon the hull material and other factors but it is an extremely rare event, compared to fires on gasoline powered boats. This has long been recognized in insurance rates for boats.

[@ef7480]

glad to know that all of the elecrical circuits are SELV from a 9V battery then..

[@derekclark4762]

Would not normally watch a 27mim video unless it was about wildlife, but this was an exception, loved the technical and fact along with the humour and the scathing sarcasm aimed at the bureaucrats. Keep up the sterling work, retired UK firefighter 🚒

[@frasercrone3838]

A couple of things here, The car pictured as the cause of the Luton fire is said to be an Evoque but if you focus on the tail lights they are far more like the Landrover Sport from 2021/22. The Evoque's are a much narrower double red tail light and the 2023 Sport looks similar. If it is a Sport it is more likely to be a hybrid model as the fire was in Britain. Another strange thing happened in Scotland a day ago because a news report flashed up on some peoples phones of a car on fire in a Glasgow sub floor carpark and it was reported to be an EV and the video clip with it looked like an EV fire but as quickly as the news broke it disappeared and no mention of it could be found anywhere. Spooky

[@SimonCoates]

It was a 2014 Range Rover Sport SE TDV6 Diesel. The registration plate was E10 EFL.

[@SalvageMasterEssex]

They tried same cover up when that car transport ship burned recently, but luckily truth was told by fire officer in that case.

[@TheBarnster75]

That fire in Glasgow Airport was a Ford mondeo taxi 3 weeks ago...

[@gordonmcmillan4709]

@@SimonCoates and no, they didn't do hybrid versions of them back then, so there's that ...

[@Justin-ee3im]

@@SimonCoates source? Also, if true, then that means that the physics around diesel have changed.

[@realityflyer3155]

Those very same building codes that brought you the ability to clad large apartment buildings with flammable cladding.

[@kadmow]

- and in some regions even laminated glass is deemed too flammable to be incorporated in a (multi story) high curtain wall.

[@terrydactyl868]

Great episode John. Very much appreciated the scathing, but hilarious criticism of a subject that concerns itself, not just with a vehicle producer, but how politics and media appears to have become joined at the hip these days. As for the term, External Combustion Vehicles...still LMAO! A new fan🤣

[@anthonybelyea1964]

John I've been a subscriber for the last couple of years. I live in New Brunswick Canada . love your Channel. what makes your channel so fantastic to watch, is your Exquisite use of the English language. Your conjecture and inflection is but a lost art and I appreciate it greatly! cheers👍🏼😎🇨🇦

[@gutsngorrrr]

Owning an EV here in the UK will soon be near impossible, as insurance companies are really jacking up the prices by silly amounts and some no longer insuring EVs. Just waiting for the insurance companies to stop home insurance if you park an EV within a certain distance of your house.

[@steve_787]

All insurance is going up in the UK, not just EV's. My insurance on my EV went up from £300 to £450 so a massive jump. I think it's more to do with how new cars are made and how difficult they are to repair. Maybe there will be a "right to repair" movement soon like they are doing with electronic devices such as phones to allow for easier repairs. Take a look at the Rivian dent removal that a guy was quoted $41k for. Nothing to do with it being an EV, just trying to repair a dent.

[@SMX815]

That was the reason why I did not purchase one

[@ysherio]

Probably they'll ask if any EVs are parked near your home, like they ask about trees within a certain distance. I get a discount for parking my ICE car off road, I can imagine soon it will be a surcharge if you have an EV off road or in a garage, providing you can find someone to insure it!

[@ilia2178]

Picked up a single motor tesla to save on petrol. My insurance is twice as much as I paid for a heavily modified supercharged 4.5L Cayenne Turbos S that was way faster and I had all the modifications declared. Makes 0 sense.

[@seanworkman431]

Geoff buys cars did an update on this fire and it was an hybrid/diesel RR according to his information. It won't be the legislators that put an end to this madness, it will be the insurance companies. They don't make money paying out claims and a public liability claim on a 20 mill carpark full of cars is not what they want.

[@tardeliesmagic]

I live down the road from Luton, info on the vehicle 😉 These have been recalled for the same reason it caught fire. - Range Rover Hybrid Power: New family of 3.0-litre straight-six Ingenium diesel engines features 48V Mild Hybrid Electric Vehicle (MHEV) technology and joins Plug-In Hybrid.

[@TA-eo2ww]

Thus man is not just an Engineer. He is a Good Safety Advisor, Comedian and Poet!!! His Hillarious and Contemptious references to the Zeitgeist of our present era had me in Stitches!!! His Shows are a refreshing Break of Reality from the Neo-isms and Idiots in Control of Our Society Today!

[@ianphillips2443]

I think that we are on the same page mate! No way was that an ordinary fire. If there had been no EV's, that situation would not have escalated so quickly. I have to say that I love your intelligent sense of humor and delivery.

[@GrantfromEarth]

Imagine a 4 year old car park not having a sprinkler system! They have been compulsory in Australia for 40 years

[@crumbschief5628]

Car park is rated to last evacuation period. 15 minutes I googled so happy to be put right. No one killed so probably worked.

[@RenghisKhan]

The thing is a sprinkler system in a car park filled with EV's would be as effective in a fire as stopping an eruption by pissing in a vulcano.

[@bentullett6068]

The carpark design is like a IKEA flat pack carpark design made to be easily assembled and quickly built and cheap to produce. Structurally, it's a steel girder frame with metal platforms covered in a tarmac style coating. Scary thought is a lot of these new build carparks are seen across the UK at train stations, town centres and some large supermarkets. A lot of the older carparks in the UK have actually got some form of sprinkler system fitted and are built of concrete.

[@crumbschief5628]

@@RenghisKhan maybe, but I don't think an EV would have caught fire in the first place. We need to ban ice, they are dangerous fire risks

[@RenghisKhan]

@@crumbschief5628 I agree with banning ice, though more from a lactose intolerant and a 'don't spoil my whisky' point of view.

[@davidfarrant6591]

You have highlighted my thoughts about this incident. As you pointed out, not the only one. The media here in the UK has been desperate to avoid the thought that the vehicle contained a traction battery. Even the fire service were a bit too fast in saying it was a diesel vehicle. Way before any investigation had taken place. Whatever the cause, these car parks with no sprinkler system are potentially lethal in any fire, and your advice to be aware and make plans for if the worst should happen, is great advice.

[@Trevor_Austin]

Sprinkler systems? How will they deal with EV thermal runaways?

[@sahhull]

@@Trevor_Austin they won't but they do deal with non EV fires quite adequately

[@leegoodman297]

The airport carpark is smothered in CCTV, there's absolutely no way they wouldn't have the number plate of the vehicle that started the fire and therefore be able to identify its fuel type within a couple of minutes.

[@richardwillson101]

​@@Trevor_Austin that's a strange statement. Nobody said they would. Sprinkler systems will help contain a fire to a much smaller area, they also often give people adequate time to escape before conditions are unsurvivable or lead to a collapse. And that's before we talk about how 90% of cars in most car parks are still ICE. It's about REDUCING RISK, not having the ultimate solution to everything.

[@williammeek4078]

The car was identified by plate on camera and verified that it was a diesel only powertrain. That was easy.

[@jonathanhamer5476]

I'm pro eV but totally agree with your observations and prognosis. Great advice at the end and agree that it should be broadcast as a PSA.

[@colinbrickell1301]

Perfect delivery, excellent advice. Your turn of phrase is brilliant. Had me in stitches. 🤣

[@andrewkingdon2000]

I love your attitude and carefully crafted sarcastic and entertaining approach to the BS we all have to navigate through in our lives. Keep it coming 😂

[@robertlockwood3540]

The Range Rover is not even parked in a bay so the driver must have been in the car when the fire started.

[@enemyofthestatewearein7945]

It's been confirmed by the vehicle registration and the DVLA register that the vehicle concerned was a straight TDV6 i.e. it was NOT a hybrid or EV. As someone who lives quite local to Luton I can see no reason whatsoever why Bedfordshire FRS would do anything other than report the facts to quell the speculation around the cause of the fire. They certainly have no reason to be shilling for the EV industry or anyone else, as they have a statutory duty with regard to fire safety and prevention. I'm not quite sure why so many 'experts' from half way around the world think they have a better insight into what happened than the people who actually dealt with the fire on site. So can we please stop with all the ludicrous conspiracy theories.

[@rockymountainman7]

The best in depth advice on electric vehicles i have come across so far! Thanks John!

[@BertWald-wp9pz]

This is the best discussion of this matter I have seen. Controlling the talk to control reality never works because a head in the sand approach dulls the urgency in identifying and resolving problems. People hate being blamed. Building codes definitely need a review - cars are changing, fire load due to plastics increased, DPF and other technical developments, sprinklers not mandatory in the existing car parks and probably not new ones.

[@KingBravo-lo3vc]

Why would multiple firefighters lie? How big is the conspiracy to cover it up? Again why would firefighter's lie? Are firefighters known to love electric cars? I don't think so. I think they would love to say it was an EV.

[@BertWald-wp9pz]

I agree fire fighters are unlikely to lie, it is unlikely there is a conspiracy to cover things up. I agree given the difficulty extinguishing EV fires fire fighters would probably like to have an EV fire to highlight their concerns. The issue is not at that level. It is far more subtle. The problem is ‘mal- information’ which is information that is true but nudges public opinion the ‘wrong way’ - call it negative publicity for a worthy cause. You may not agree but I see increasing pressure on media and everyday discussion to not point out anything negative on certain topics where it is considered important to get all the fish swimming in the same direction. I think people sense this and the result is that people begin to feel patronized and mistrustful this is a perfectly normal reaction. We naturally sense when other people walk on eggshells or are guarding the interests of say a friend. The best way to inspire trust is to allow the details to be published and have an open discussion rather than labelling people or content to stop further discussion. I am not pro ICE or EV. I think both are I incredible human creations. We do however need to appreciate the changing risk profiles of technological change which is increasingly rapid compared with traditional management based on steady state conditions.

[@bobb.6393]

Hot stuff

[@KingBravo-lo3vc]

@@BertWald-wp9pz I see a concerted effort to put fake EV fires all over the internet. And it is not just firefighters. Police and private security would have to be involved. They saw the video before the fire started including when the vehicle entered. Anybody who they spoke to before the word got out that we were going to make this look like it was not an EV fire would have to be silenced. The owner of the vehicle and anybody he told that was my car would have to be silenced to make it seem this was a deisel fire. Somebody would sell them out by now.

[@hairyairey]

​@@KingBravo-lo3vcit wouldn't be the first time people have been told to lie to save their job.

[@davidfalconer8913]

I had to burn off red diesel ( big spillage on a motorway construction site in 1972 ) , the various matches went out ( with a puff of white smoke ) , I had to load an old T shirt with diesel set it on fire and slowly place it on the pool of diesel , but eventually it burnt with LOTS of black smoke , This was a battery fire , for sure , you are right ! ... DAVE™🛑

[@trudilm3864]

A brand new £20million car park with no sprinklers.

[@Myrmecia]

The number plate, visible in some photos and videos is E10 EFL, registered to a red 2014 Range Rover Sport TDV6 with a diesel engine.

[@donnamarie3617]

Bloody good advice JC, those last few minutes were gold. Thank you.

[@atmm89]

JC, forgot to mention about the seat belt, you would be surprised how many people do not think in situations just like these, and are stuck to their seats, wasting many seconds in ratifying the problem of them getting out of a burning car, tragic.

[@techjunkie68smusicandtech56]

To me this seems like the perfect opportunity for insurance companies to hike insurance premiums for all cars, or not being able to insure your car/house at all. Another step towards the goals of no private ownership of cars/houses and no flights to holidays abroad.

[@charliepapa6848]

Have you insured your car lately, the premiums are going through the roof, and this incident will add fuel to the flames, couldn't resist the pum.

[@PeterSmith-or3pq]

Class D fires are not going to like water 😮

[@MarkSmith-js2pu]

No no no. As is stands now ICE owners are subsidizing insurance premiums for EV’s.

[@jont508]

@@charliepapa6848 I just renewed my insurance on my van which is used for work and personal use , i've had an increase of nearly £600 , they was quoting £800 increase at first which was nearly double

[@bobyouel7674]

and how was such a building allowed to be built without automatic sprinklers? thats a crime in itself

[@arthurtreibs4174]

WHOEVER WRITES YOUR COPY, JOHNNY, IS A WORDSMITH OF THE CENTURY..... GOLD!!!

[@AutoExpertJC]

I do it all, dude.

[@realbigtrouble]

​@@AutoExpertJCThe point stands

[@mrgrogfather]

There are many apartment building car parks that are not adequately fire rated and could lead to the building being rendered uninhabitable in the event of a fire like this.

[@nickmalone3143]

It means they used cheap concrete

[@royporter_bown1189]

The fire requirements was taken from the fire service many years ago and given totally to building control ,hence the truly lack of expertise in requirements 🤔

[@seanworkman431]

There are a few carparks in Sydney that give preferential parking to EV's on the ground floor. A standard fire suppression system may mitigate damage but not put out the fire, esp. if all the EV's are in a row.

[@matsv201]

yea.... i might have constructed one of those last week... we do have sprinter and air lock to the building (as per law of cause). I didn´t do the fire calculation, but the building suppose to be evacuated if there is a large fire. And that should really not be a problem. A full high pressure sprinter system is (at least here) by law required for any full indoor parking. That SHOULD suppress the fire sufficiently so it should not spreed.... ... Should... it might not. This really needs to be tested. I honestly don´t think the people in the building i make is at risk (i didn´t make the fire safety system, just the general construction). The question really is the damage to the building, and if people get sick from the smoke. and.. well the material value. Is insurance premium going to go up for homes due to cars? That is kind of unfair that everyone that don´t have a EV have to pay for them

[@daser99]

Your analysis of the fire (around time mark 7m30s and after) is quite correct IMO. Corroborating: the color (NA; colour elsewhere) of the fire under the vehicle, consistent with an oxygen-rich (= injected) combustion, around or above 1200C (2200F, 1500K). The explosion front (around 9m10s) is also very white. And if what we see there is a deflagration that destroys the floor under the car - there is no chance that a relatively slow petrol/diesel atmospheric burn could do this, both energetically and directionally..

[@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi]

no chance... mate, strong winds, heat, you must win lotto everytime you buy a ticket hey.... pfft. Could have been a case where someones fueld up a diesel vehicle with petrol for example, overheats, runs away. etc. its a guessing game based on the pics we all have.

[@jasoncatt]

The car's registration number is E10EFL, registered to a Range Rover Sport Diesel. Not a hybrid.

[@olly7248]

@@jasoncattThe light shapes are from the hybrid version

[@groupb5420]

@@jasoncattthat’s what “ they “ told ya. 😉

[@jasoncatt]

@@olly7248 That's not what the government register for the vehicle says.

[@martinhicks6020]

My puzzlement lies not in the first vehicle catching fire, but how quickly the fire spread to so many other vehicles. I've not seen that before.

[@mickles1975]

Well done on the autoclave joke, John. I particularly enjoyed that one.

[@ameetnarayan9219]

A pilot friend of mine bought a Range Rover few years ago. The PD wasn't done properly. The inlet line from the fuel tank into the HPFP came off, while he was driving to work. The car went into limp and died on the side of the motorway. Diesel from the fuel tank got depleted into the engine bay. The dang thing still did not catch fire. The Luton fire doesn't add up.

[@zen4men]

"The Luton fire doesn't add up." = understatement of the year! I had no idea car parks were lethally dangerous!

[@1d2a3d4d5i6o]

Rumers are starting to evolve from some whistle blowers to say a business man late for a flight drove into the car park realised his car was on fire handed his keys for the car to the reception and ran off to catch his flight. The car was a hybrid, by the time the airport realised it was on fire the fire was out of control. There seems some controversy about the reg. plate as the rear plate is different. That is why the Police have arrested someone.

[@GMbowtie350]

Yes it does add up. It was a diesel hybrid. Lithium ion battery right where it was burning. 2014 Ranger Rover Diesel Hybrid.

[@MrVolodus]

​@@GMbowtie350What 2014 model exactly?

[@user-db1tj2yv1c]

The car's registration number is E10EFL, registered to a Range Rover Sport Diesel. Not a hybrid.

[@julzb7165]

My father was a diesel/hgv mechanic and I grew up with diesels. I never witnessed any sudden combustion or fires. The quality of wiring in petrol cars, it the 1.0l ecoboost ford as an example and the deployment of electrical powered vehicles has been the commonality of these events. Range rover is known for poor electrics in their vehicles, just ask any recovery driver or mechanic. The fire service was towing the eco mob line pdq rather than getting on with investigating the cause. As with many other countries infested by the "green doctrines" our politically correct services are blowing with the wind. Thanks for debunking the hyperbole John.

[@blatherskite9601]

"Range rover is known for poor electrics in their vehicles" - are they still supplied by Lucas, the Prince of Darkness?

[@user-sd3ik9rt6d]

Funny. My step mothers diesel ford escort caught fire on the driveway and this was caused by an electrical fault. But sure. Believe what you prefer.

[@stephenjones6500]

​@@user-sd3ik9rt6d2 month old account toeing the party line? Bott or gov shill....

[@ianmedford4855]

The second i saw this, i knew it was either an EV fire, or a cultural enrichment fire.

[@thomasm1964]

@@user-sd3ik9rt6d How did the fire manifest itself? Explosively or as a steady fire? I think that's the point being made. As others have said, diesel fires do not seem to fit the profile of this fire. I'm not an expert on fire but my very limited experience of fossil fel fires is that diesel simply does not "blow up" the way petrol does and the way I know lithium ion batteries do. Lookign at the aviation world, they have had quite a few lithium ion batetry incidents which have been sudden, explosive and very difficult to contain. This is an interesting little clip from ABC News Australia: www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=ev+catching+fire#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:a6c84487,vid:NWvI1daNils,st:0

[@pking6402]

You sir are excellent. One of the best videos I have ever watched on any subject.

[@MartinGrimmer-kc4qs]

Thanks that was an enjoyable watch and thought provoking.

[@anthonywilson8998]

Brilliant presentation. We are now being lied to even about car fires that need to be exposed so we are aware of how to reduce the overall damage. To people and property. Good advice given.

[@leftgrrl]

Maybe an after effect of the Grenfell fire which is costing property developers and flat-owners so much £££ (it should be just the property magnates paying as their design error just like the error in no sprinklers at luton, but not in this world)

[@dougle03]

I was watching the BBC news channel the morning following the fire; their reporter on the ground said at 07:15, the fire was "believed to be started by a vehicle, an electric vehicle." This was the one and only time the reporter said those words. All reports after that point didn't mention the vehicle until other sources started banging the Diesel drum. I suspect the initial report was correct, that the vehicle was indeed a hybrid Diesel vehicle, and judging by the photos showing the fire position and lack of black smoke, I'm inclined to trust in your assessment John.

[@oldgit15]

Even if it was a hybrid, Evoque hybrids are MHEVs with tiny batteries, 0.2 kwh. And they don’t burn easily or for no reason either. Black smoke/white smoke? Ever seen jet aircraft displaying and trailing white smoke? Diesel fuel being injected into the exhaust. White smoke.

[@Patrick-857]

Orwellian isn't it.

[@marcnowak7587]

They have always been doing this for years British bulsh***ing corporation

[@BrianMorrison]

@@oldgit15 It's not an Evoque.

[@AdrianMidgley]

There are lots of Americans here who would tell the reporter firmly something they had no actual knowledge of. Subsequent reports after people who actually look at events in Luton sre more likely to be correct. Those which involve looking up the actual vehicle even more so. Perhaps the driver will pop up in due course, although he may bd keeping his head down.

[@user-wo2rv2kv9d]

Regarding diesel and matches, on a ramp in Detroit MI as an aircraft mechanic, the airplane that I was on was being fueled and the shutoff malfunctioned sending jet fuel out the wingtips causing a lake of jet fuel probably 30 feet in diameter and was pooling. A “safety” truck pulled onto the scene and drove right through the middle of his fuel spill and it did nothing. No ignition, no fire, no explosion, absolutely nothing and it was about 70 degrees or so out side as we scrambled to prevent the fuel from getting into the drains.

[@lynhewlett1941]

Well done someone sensible for a change and willing to tell the truth

[@DandyLion2024]

If you look at the tail-lights, it comes from a Range Rover Sport which is a hybrid.

[@hovishill2779]

The Landrover SE Luton, in Flame Red metallic, furnace orange leather interior. Options included cold weather external feet warmers, an explosive drop down escape function (for quick exit from car parks) and a self disposal function when you complete a journey. 😄

[@zen4men]

No ejection seat?

[@charlesbarnett2724]

😂😂😂😂

[@jonathantoms3585]

This has to be your best video ever. Especially what to do in a fire situation Spot on.

[@PickleRick65]

This man has Great Delivery💪💪

[@nigelhoward7403]

Good advice, great video. Back in 1975 my Austin Maxi caught fire whilst parked in a pub car park (where else!). On rushing out I found the inside full of smoke but could see the fire was coming from the steering column (ignition switch?) and after a few dramas with the pub's fire extinguisher got fire out. What was interesting was that all the lights were on and the horn was continuously sounding. It turned out it was an electrical fault.

[@blueyhis.zarsoff1147]

How weird, a fault with a Lucas system that actually turned the lights on!

[@jessh5310]

I don't know why but many older cars had the horn wire on top of the loom so any fire would set off the horn which was earth to sound. Early safety?

[@thadiusthudpucker]

Why did you put it out

[@nigelhoward7403]

@@thadiusthudpucker We all make mistakes!

[@terence2678]

Good thing about Maxis you could put a water bed in them.

[@John-he9dj]

Hi John , many years ago driving north up here in the sunshine state I was stopped by a Policeman in Rockhampton, was told a Semi was on fire just up the highway , road closed , the next morning stopped at the burnt out semi , had been loaded with hairspray tarp covered , driver smoking , flicked a smoke out of the window onto the tarp causing the fire , apparently a marvellous fire show following as the spray cans exploded , when I arrived all out , the heat generated actually melted parts of the vehicle , trailer, and prime-mover there was diesel dripping from the step tanks had not caught fire . Old jc

[@mediterraneandiet2483]

Anyone who still trusts the media and government are beyond hope.

[@mr_sheen_asg]

My neighbour once used a disposable bbq and because he was a bit ocd about his garden he has disposed of it in his rubbish bin, at about 3am the front of the semi detached house and 2 petrol cars ware lit, the fire brigade was called and i mamaged to safely move my cars to a safe place, there was no explosion and it took the fire brigade about 15 minutes to put it out once they arrived, it was the plastic rubbish bins that caused the fire to spread not the cars. My point is that even if petrol/diesel cars catch fire they are easy to put out and the fire is more localised so they are less likely to affect other stuff.

[@marcconyard5024]

In my time as a bus driver I’ve known of several bus fires where none of which were caused by the fuel, being CNG or diesel. In all cases it was a coolant circuit leak dripping onto hot exhaust components causing the hydrocarbons in the coolant to burst into flame! Scary shit indeed.

[@HighTowerAU]

Interesting you mention coolant fire, i had fire on an 800ton mining excavator (yes 800 TONS). Just prior to the fire i could smell strong smell of hot coolant. Went down to the engine bays to investigate (twin engine) and found a blue purple flame burning in the v of the engine, right below a turbocharger. Coolant line on turbo had failed and the vapours from coolant had ignited. Was able to put it out with an extinguisher, and the mechanics argied that i only had a coolant leak and it could never had a fire. Next day it happened again. On investigation it was determined that the glycol in coolant, the vapours could ignite when super heated (coolant fitting spraying coolant in a mist under pressure over the turbo)

[@marcconyard5024]

@@HighTowerAU yep, I’ve seen the same colour fire on a CNG bus before it burned to a crisp. The bus in question was found to have had a coolant line failure which ignited on the hot exhaust, caught the fibreglass body panels and raced away uncontrollably. When the fire got into the roof the gas cylinders started venting via a safety pressure release and gouts of burning gas shot out thirty feet long!

[@voltare2amstereo]

Getting diesel to burn is like getting the missus m...st , you have to try really hard with a lot of pressure

[@AlfieDoug]

@voltare2amstereo you're doing it wrong, I had no problem.

[@11000038]

If the BBC employed you I'd reinstate my TV licence! Thanks for making me laugh about a multimillion pound calamity! 🤣

[@emty9668]

I had the same hypothesis, the fire was extremely intense and burning downward, I've seen diesel vehicles on fire and there was no black smoke and the explosion was not a diesel fuel tank it looked almost like how a concentrated shaped charge would go off in a particular direction, downwards. A freedom of information question would of course settle the matter.

[@user-db1tj2yv1c]

The car's registration number is E10EFL, registered to a Range Rover Sport Diesel. Not a hybrid.

[@sabrekat7904]

One question - firefighters around the world have countless decades of controlling and extinguishing vehicle fires, they do it every day, they have the experience, the equipment and the techniques to do so. Why then could they not extinguish a 'diesel fire'? It's impossible to accept that with 15 fire trucks and over 100 firefighters they were all standing around with their finger up their rear ends wondering why this fire could not be dealt with - Quite the opposite, I am certain they were doing ALL they could possibily do. Along with the pile of burnt out cars there is also a massive pile of BS to be cleared up.

[@DD-ld1xq]

*crickets*. Please answer this, EV-bots.

[@nicktheobald6955]

Probably one of the best bits of automotive journalism I've heard or read for years. Excellent work there. Legend.

[@neilwoodward7336]

I like your style. Your last 2 minutes were much better than the previous 25 minutes 👍. But you hit the nail on the head completely. Love from the gaolers. UK.

[@davidheron9677]

Thankyou, I laughed and cried. I knew little of these potential problems, thanks from uk

[@peterjackson2625]

John Cadogan's analysis of the situation is very well considered. I am persuaded that the balance of probabilities, indicates that the battery suffered a thermal runaway, just as the car was being parked. The owner hadn't even got as far as switching the lights off. The absence of black smoke discounts uncontrolled combustion of diesel fuel. A Li-ion battery contains enough oxidant to support a furious rate of combustion.

[@oldgit15]

Even if it’s a hybrid, Evoque’s are MHEVs with tiny batteries - 0.2kwh. They’ll burn if you get them hot enough, just like diesel will. And as for the black smoke, have you seen the Red Arrows? Know how they generate their smoke trails? By spraying diesel fuel into their exhaust. That’s white smoke by the way, so just perhaps that white smoke was unburnt diesel fuel hitting a hot surface - on its way to burning, of course.

[@owainbennett663]

John is an armchair sportsman with degrees in theory. Nothing more.

[@bobawatsit]

I know you, I know you work for Rover @@oldgit15

[@daveedge749]

quite a lot of oxygen available at red arrows speed, not so much in a carpark@@oldgit15

[@jasoncatt]

Already been shown to be a diesel. 2014 RR sport diesel V6, reg E10EFL. not a hybrid, no lithium ion battery.

[@andrewdegozaru74]

Phwoah! You got a shiny new Range Rover. That's smokin' - no really! It's on fire now.

[@stevo184]

They got a great deal on it though, Land Rover were having a fire sale at the time.

[@pauldow72]

thanks for bringing these issues to light (pardon the pun). I am certainly put off buying and electric / hybrid car. Did you see the fire at the golf club in the past week caused by golf card batteries I hear - the whole thing went up

[@hansmeyer403]

Dude! You did a FANTASTIC job of telling me some life saving tips in a most humorous way. This video I download and rub it under all noses I can get hold of. Thanks! Thanks a lot, mate! 👍🙏🙏🙏

[@davidryan4454]

Excellent analysis. Regarding sprinklers, they are installed in underground car parks but never to open , above ground facilities. It's about saving lives so to remove smoke to assist in people finding exits to the location before suffocating & not saving cars. After all, cars are insured. No firefighter in modern times will risk even a minor cut to stop a property fire. They are issued with large bags of popcorn & dvd players in the trucks while they wait for the fire to burn out

[@Cotictimmy]

I think (rather like the lab leak theory) when authorities are overly anxious to impose a narrative & suppress obvious questions, then you have to be suspicious. If the exact make a model of a car which has caused a fire remains mysterious, & is not immediately clarified then you've got to ask why? Transparency in a democracy should be the default - when it's not, it's time to get curious.

[@tormid100]

Does that apply to the covid jab. Sorry vaccine.

[@23Markthespark]

My guy this is simultaneously the funniest and most informative thing I have ever heard!

[@davidwoodham1307]

Hi there John yes there are a lots of car crashes specifically With fire am a ex volunteer rescue association n.s.w for 20years iam a of marine rescue nsw for 3 year and half years and seen some bad shit With the V.R.A over the years and i Do a fine you very good In wont your say people need to be educated about the shitbox EV MATE keep up with the great work mate

[@parasinthephilippines]

Added to your report. 4 firefighters and one security guard were hospitalised due to fume inhalation.

[@dennisstaines8005]

John, great video. This was also covered by "geoff buys cars" and he did the forensics on the car rear lights and concludes it is a RR Sport diesel hybrid and as the fire is coming from left lower rear wheel arch supports this as this is where RR puts the battery. He also noted that RR Evoque have a track record of self igniting (diesel). which still happens on new cars despite a recall. It appears it is to do with the dpf filter regenerating and setting the engine bay on fire. He also showed a Tesla dealership in France , which has quickly removed from the person who posted (probably told too by Electric Jesus) and I counted at least 10 model 3 wiped out to a skeletons. No ICE cars in sight , which is annoying as they can't be blamed and the building looked fully intact. Luton and "Lie" just match perfectly. It was news to me that Evoques and other Range Rovers have a fire issue, turning into the Ford f150 issue in the 80's. Not a Range Rover fan (or JLR) but they still sell well here in the UK, not sure were the money comes from as they expensive.

[@grahamleiper1538]

The Tesla site (in Frankfurt Germany) was arson. If somebody tells you it's in France you're not going to find much when you Google. The red 2014 Range Rover Sport (non hybrid) diesel E10 EFL (video of the front of the car is available) that started it all had 84,000 miles and passed it's most recent MOT.

[@thesynaesthesiac1839]

Funny that the cars reg proves it's a 2014 3 liter...

[@weinisable]

⁠@@thesynaesthesiac1839. Please post the rego #, and the source, because it sure doesnt look like a 2013 model ?

[@hunchanchoc8418]

In Britain it is common for people to buy an 'old' registration number and put them on their car because the old reg contains their initials or attempts to spell their name. (yawn...)

[@grahamleiper1538]

@@hunchanchoc8418 and in Britain if you have the reg number you can look up whether the car has an MOT, whether it's taxed etc and what make and model it is. If you pay you can get mileage and any MOT advisories over the years. E10 EFL is a red 2014 Range Rover Sport 3.0 diesel (non hybrid) with 84,000 miles at it's last MOT.

[@DanielImmanuel2143]

Very thorough and informative video. Thank you 👍

[@rinklestiltskin]

So why has somebody been arrested for. suspicion of criminal damage?

[@beefovbd2]

its a evoque hybrid , and the battery is sittuated near the left wheel , where it seems to be venting from

[@martinconnelly1473]

Geoff Buys Cars did an interesting video on identifying the type of Range Rover in the photo. He also discussed the DPF being a possible cause of the fire or a hybrid's battery.

[@ScrotusXL]

John, that car park was built from new as part of the airport expansion project. I even did some electrical testing at the site office during its construction. Yes, how can you believe that no fire suppression system was included? Well as usual,done on the cheap at a mere 20 million bucks! Looks like another twin town with shitsville. I'm just watching your fantastic video having been working at Lu ' ton today and that's how I'm going to spell it and pronounce it from now on. Just beautiful mate. It sounds so exotic 😂

[@pinkfox5651]

Ha ha yeah. I grew up in Luton many years ago before it was trashed and was quite tickled by his new frenchy play on the name. 🤣 I’m appalled at what happened at the airport though and loved this explanation. It really does seem like a cover up of the events from what I hear.

[@suttonelms1]

Excellent content, especailly the health & safety stuff at the end. Shameful that none of our leaders have spelled out the simple rules for avoiding harm in the event of a lithium battery fire or a packed car park.

[@Huxspur]

Thanks for the great info, presented in a clear and entertaining manner.

[@dazasmit2048]

Never park next to an EV.

[@FreeFlyerUk]

Unless you want some compo.

[@Barryferg100]

Some of my experiences says diesel doesn’t ignite like that, but a tiny 5000 mAh Remote Control car Lipo battery sure has a rather big white flash bang smoke fire affair. Your analysis is spot on regarding engine running (lights on) 12v operational, the lipo location on the drivers front and the flash bang would be how I would imagine how a full size car lipo would go poo poo. Love your stuff John, keep up the good reporting.

[@paulcummings1566]

When charging lipo batteries we put them in lipo bags in case of problems .

[@oldgit15]

EV batteries aren’t LIPO.

[@neilgorin1037]

There's very little difference between lipo and li-ion, same basic chemistry in fact from a combustion point of view.

[@milsy6936]

Lithium battery fire is what broke that concrete down

[@fendermijstrats2352]

When the news broke of this fire and the message was over the top to say its a diesel a few colleagues and myself surmised it was more than likely a diesel hybrid that went up. When I saw the tail lights you showed I immediately thought it was a Range Rover Sport as they did do a diesel hybrid but was unaware of a diesel Evoque hybrid at the age of that tail light design.