Machining a Hardened Ball Screw - Viewer Sent in This Job - Manual Machining

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Topper Machine LLC

Topper Machine LLC

Күн бұрын

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@andrewterry8092
@andrewterry8092 Жыл бұрын
Josh, your videos have really improved lately, thanks for sticking with it.
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
Thanks. I've taken a slightly different approach to editing. Having good cameras and audio doesn't hurt either.
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown Жыл бұрын
outstanding....@@TopperMachineLLC
@ChuckNorriz1122
@ChuckNorriz1122 Жыл бұрын
I’m 56 and have never done machining but I learn something new every time I watch your videos. Today was annealing metal. Thanks for that!
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
Thanks. I learned a bunch also doing this job. I've never annealed one before, but got under the hardness and cut. Glad my customer had this info for me.
@ellieprice363
@ellieprice363 Жыл бұрын
Tee shirt suggestion. Caliper photo with the words, “I’ve got a fifty incher and I know how to use it!”
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
Absolutely. That's an awesome idea.
@natedoerfler652
@natedoerfler652 Жыл бұрын
Nice to have a good drawing like that!
@timscartoys9321
@timscartoys9321 Жыл бұрын
I have always enjoyed watching work being machined, and with your descriptions, I could watch all day!!
@TheUncleRuckus
@TheUncleRuckus Жыл бұрын
Great video as always Josh! Also thank you to Bill for sending in this job and giving us some good content to watch. 👍👍
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
He has more for me to do. I'll film as much as I can.
@aquilifergroup
@aquilifergroup Ай бұрын
Annealing prior to machining a hardened piece . Learned something new today. Thank you
@bruceferrero8178
@bruceferrero8178 Жыл бұрын
Nice work! We have a 50 inch Starrett caliper at work, we call it Excalibur 😉 !
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
Nobody better be swinging Excaliber around. They aren't cheap!
@bruceferrero8178
@bruceferrero8178 Жыл бұрын
@@TopperMachineLLC oh heavens no! Haha 😄
@BruceBoschek
@BruceBoschek Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Excellent video quality, btw. Thanks for letting us look over your shoulder. Have a good weekend.
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I've been working hard to improve the channel
@BruceBoschek
@BruceBoschek Жыл бұрын
@@TopperMachineLLC Much appreciated!
@nobuckle40
@nobuckle40 Жыл бұрын
Always enjoyable to watch your work. Those calipers were the star of the video.
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
They are definitely cool, and locked up when not in use.
@BrucePierson
@BrucePierson Жыл бұрын
@@TopperMachineLLC Must be worth a small fortune, a few k maybe?
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
@@BrucePierson last I saw was around $6K a few years back.
@bernardwill7196
@bernardwill7196 Жыл бұрын
This Vernier a real beauty !! Greeetings from Germany.
@Mike.Lehmann
@Mike.Lehmann Жыл бұрын
Great video Josh! Love that beast of a caliper!
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
Thanks. It sure is fun to bring that one out.
@bostedtap8399
@bostedtap8399 Жыл бұрын
Nice job on tempering Josh, always love that design of collet chuck. Thanks for sharing
@davidpeterson5186
@davidpeterson5186 Жыл бұрын
Send, cut, send Topper style, very good video!
@GardenTractorBoy
@GardenTractorBoy Жыл бұрын
This was an interesting project. The drawing was great and it must have been easier than working from a scrap of paper
@dc5723
@dc5723 Жыл бұрын
That's an awesome project and yes, the Starette is a thing of beauty.
@paulgush
@paulgush 7 ай бұрын
3:40 with that slow mo, my adrenaline got going. I thought we were headed for something breaking!
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown Жыл бұрын
Good Morning Josh.....always love your content.....best wishes from Florida, Paul
@warrenjones744
@warrenjones744 Жыл бұрын
Well done Josh. recently I just had a job I needed to anneal a hard end like that and that's exactly what I decided to try, I figured I had nothing to lose. I heated it till it was just blue and let it cool. Worked the treat, the part that needed to stay hard stayed hard too. I have a hardened BT-30 tool shank I need to make a custom deal on the end and will try the same thing. It's knowing those little tricks and when you can use them that make things so fun and less frustrating.
@silverbullet7434
@silverbullet7434 Ай бұрын
Josh in the old days when I was about 20 yrs old . A shop I worked for needed hold downs for a big planer they offered it to me in my home shop ,, I bid a price for them with the caveot they bought the material 4140 bar 3" x 3" x 6' long well it came in and it was torched cut.,, yupp after ruining my cut saws blade I took it back that y sent it back and anealed it no problem after that saw cut to size turned the round to match holes on machine after square ing block ends drilling angled holes tapping to Size3/4- ,16 The screws cut to length pointed and hex cuts to the ends.they worked super holding future jobs . I banked I think $400. Back then it was a great weekend pay job.
@jasonhull5712
@jasonhull5712 Жыл бұрын
Nothing beats a good quality machine with a nice sharp tool. Love it 👍
@jasonhull5712
@jasonhull5712 Жыл бұрын
What a great little job. And you do an amazing job of breaking all the cuts down and how and why. Very interesting and inspiring video. I truly enjoyed this one from the beginning to the end. Thanks for sharing your processes and methods.
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it
@edsmachine93
@edsmachine93 Жыл бұрын
Very nice and interesting job Josh. Well done and thanks for sharing. Have a great day.👍👍
@gofastwclass
@gofastwclass Жыл бұрын
Another excellent job! Thanks for sharing Josh.
@geckoproductions4128
@geckoproductions4128 Жыл бұрын
Josh: really like watching your machining techniques, thanks
@johnw.peterson4311
@johnw.peterson4311 7 ай бұрын
Josh, thank you for this video. You do great work and are a great teacher.
@thepotterer3726
@thepotterer3726 Жыл бұрын
Rather surprised that Anchorlube is a new product to you - Abom and others have been using it and plugging it for years.
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
I honestly have little time to watch other's videos. I miss a lot of the content of the others. Definitely glad I found it, it's a great product.
@kylezellmann6811
@kylezellmann6811 Жыл бұрын
Well done, that annealing temp could have helped me in a lot of projects!
@Farm_fab
@Farm_fab Жыл бұрын
Josh, a sub course in my welder training was for hardening and annealing, and has been good information. I designed a tool for an employer, and it required annealing a slot in a piece of OTR leaf spring steel to weld it to a 1" shank. It held up for many years.
@richardsurber8226
@richardsurber8226 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the very technical manual turning. Good video Topper
@Unrivaledanime
@Unrivaledanime Жыл бұрын
Thanks Josh
@randydobson1863
@randydobson1863 Жыл бұрын
hello josh it's is randy and is cool thanks friends randy
@3PurpleSquirrels
@3PurpleSquirrels Жыл бұрын
Interesting video as always. Going to be saving some this one to to share with the new design engineer always good to see how a drawing in interpreted when making the part.
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown Жыл бұрын
man, that Anchorlube is $2.31 an ounce......glad to see a demo on it working, thanks, Paul
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
It's not cheap, but it sure does work good. It really doesn't take a lot either.
@ericbanks5471
@ericbanks5471 11 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC 11 күн бұрын
@@ericbanks5471 thank you.
@michaelweatherhead9470
@michaelweatherhead9470 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video Josh well done 👍❤❤ it. Take care of yourself and family and be Blessed ❤️❤️.
@uther10
@uther10 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Bill and Josh!
@mfc4591
@mfc4591 Жыл бұрын
NO THAT IS A CALIPER, two man job to use that ! Thanks for the content.
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
It is a beast!
@KenFullman
@KenFullman 7 ай бұрын
It's the one Crocodile Dundee would have chosen.
@michelecrown2426
@michelecrown2426 Жыл бұрын
Great tutorial. My machinist brain couldn’t compute +/- 100 thou 😲. I’m like you I would have brought it to the actual dimension called out.
@StuartsShed
@StuartsShed Жыл бұрын
That 50 incher of yours is impressive. I thought my 24 inch tool was pretty good but seeing one that long in action is somewhat humbling.
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
I've got 2 of the 24" ones and this thing is a beast. I'd love to get a 72", but I can't justify the expense.
@wmweekendwarrior1166
@wmweekendwarrior1166 Жыл бұрын
Good stuff
@markwatters6875
@markwatters6875 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video mate 👍🇦🇺
@kentuckytrapper780
@kentuckytrapper780 Жыл бұрын
Great video Josh, I use the anchor lube myself, note clean up all parts that come in contact tools vise it will stain, but it's my go to for hard turning...
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
I found that out right away. Great product, that is the only downside.
@THEIRONWORKER
@THEIRONWORKER Жыл бұрын
When I anneal, I turn the part red and bury it in wood ash until it cools. And then do the work. I will have to try this method out . Nice video
@bostedtap8399
@bostedtap8399 Жыл бұрын
Josh was tempering the part, not annealing , just bring down the previously hardened and tempered shaft to a lower hardness value. Guessing from 50 to 58 hardness Rockwell C (HRC), to 30 to 35 HRC.
@jeffreywhitmoyer860
@jeffreywhitmoyer860 7 ай бұрын
​@@bostedtap8399 I was going to make the same comment. The process is actually a temper. Heating to a blue like that probably puts it into the 700-900f range. In this case the light blue would suggest closer to 700, at 900 the color would be more violet. Not much higher than 900 you would start developing a light scale. 700-900 can be a dangerous range for some alloys as something known as temper embrittlement can occur. It's most common in 410 & 420 martensitic stainless steels.
@ivanolsen8596
@ivanolsen8596 Жыл бұрын
Annealing is a great tool, I use it mainly on copper washers to remove the vibration induced brittleness on diesel injector seating washers. The verniers are certainly something to behold! Now I will spend the rest of my life looking for comparable micrometer!!!!!
@Paul-FrancisB
@Paul-FrancisB 8 ай бұрын
Josh, I am sure that you gave the tolerancing on that drawing far more thought than the draftsman, that border was probably just cut and pasted from another part in CAD, not like the good old days on the drawing board when you had to consciously write everything by hand 😁
@frankenscience3553
@frankenscience3553 8 ай бұрын
thanks josh, you are reaching a small town in australia.
@hacc220able
@hacc220able Жыл бұрын
thanks for sharing
@BrucePierson
@BrucePierson Жыл бұрын
That was an interesting job. Your "small" Vernier Caliper was pretty impressive. I think mine is 6", without going out and checking.
@patrickflannery1143
@patrickflannery1143 Жыл бұрын
Good job
@frankkent8046
@frankkent8046 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Question, I watch CEE along with watching you and Kurtis, when doing induction hardened chrome bar, uses a ceramic insert to cut away the hardened area before switching back to carbide inserts and doing whatever is needed. Could you have used a ceramic insert to do this job, that way you didn't have to anneal the rod, and potentially causing a failure due to lack of hardness on the ends? Thanks
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
Ceramic would not work in this instance. It would break in the interrupted cut of the thread. The screw was only hardened for the balls to roll in. Just a surface hardness. Annealing it will not affect the shaft long term. My customer said they wear out the screw, never break one. I have in the past turned induction hardened shafts with standard carbide. I just hand grind them to take the cut.
@rolandtamaccio3285
@rolandtamaccio3285 Жыл бұрын
,,, luv the big vernier ,,, !
@emilgabor88
@emilgabor88 Жыл бұрын
For snap ring grooves, ER inserts for like threading. They make also for grooves. Hss if you resharpen go too small and you cant go left or right because they deflect.
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
I have many different inserts for grooving, just none this size. Definitely going to order a box soon.
@jimsvideos7201
@jimsvideos7201 Жыл бұрын
Blue, noted. I have a few similar pieces and if I ever get to making something out of them this will be important.
@glennmoreland6457
@glennmoreland6457 Жыл бұрын
Great video ☹🇬🇧
@6NBERLS
@6NBERLS Жыл бұрын
Most excellent.
@peterross6560
@peterross6560 Жыл бұрын
heating to blue is tempering, not annealing. annealing involves heating to critical temp, approx 1500 F and coooling slowly over several hours. Obviously, the tempering you have done is adequate softening for your turning but not completely softened. annealing would make it as soft as the steel can get.
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
It did soften it enough to not be a problem for machining. Guess my terminology is wrong.
@peterross6560
@peterross6560 Жыл бұрын
I've enjoyed your videos for a couple of years, and always look forward to the next one. Keep 'em coming@@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
@@peterross6560 Thank you for sticking with me. It has been a long bumpy road, but the channel is coming along nicely. More improvements coming.
@redmorphius
@redmorphius Жыл бұрын
Always excited for a new video!
@AmateurRedneckWorkshop
@AmateurRedneckWorkshop Жыл бұрын
Great work looking 👀 good.
@thomaschandler8036
@thomaschandler8036 Жыл бұрын
Love your videos.....
@donmedford2563
@donmedford2563 Жыл бұрын
@5:20. Yea I know what you mean. I am undersized when I am cool too. lol
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@mikeb1520
@mikeb1520 Жыл бұрын
I used to work for Schaeffler Group (FAG, INA bearings), when they needed to machine the ball screws they made, they were chucked in the lathe, coolant was put at the point they wanted it to remain hard, and then used a flame like you did to anneal it. I don’t recall what temperature they heated it to.
@garywalters4286
@garywalters4286 Жыл бұрын
Good video nice job on the shaft,When are we going to see some more sawmill videos?
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
I was going to release it Tuesday, but a very dear friend passed and I am behind. I will release the 20 foot sawing on next saturday.
@BrucePierson
@BrucePierson Жыл бұрын
@@TopperMachineLLC Sad to hear about your friend. Condolences to all.
@jameswalshjr
@jameswalshjr Жыл бұрын
Question, when getting long stringy chips that were coming off when turning the shaft down to size. Should that be addressed? Different speed/feed or maybe an insert with different geometry? I've always understood that it's good practice to minimize long chips like that.
@ValiRossi
@ValiRossi Жыл бұрын
I wonder how far the ball nut has to travel towards the end of the screw. Sanding the threads could cause a problem.
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
The hardness of these screws didn't allow for material removal. It was more a polish. From what the customer told me the ball nut never gets that close to the end.
@billjulian9496
@billjulian9496 Жыл бұрын
Josh, that annealing process is awesome, may I ask if it is steel species specific, ie, 4140, 4350 or 1065?
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
I am not sure. First time I've done it. These are induction hardened, my guess is it would work with most grades of steel that is hardened
@lolcec81
@lolcec81 Жыл бұрын
Комментарий в поддержку канала и ролика, а также труда мастера....
@schism47
@schism47 Жыл бұрын
Man Josh I am jealous of the 50 inch vernier caliper. Can I have it? Haha
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
Lol, NO! They are serious money. But worth every penny
@schism47
@schism47 Жыл бұрын
@TopperMachineLLC haha. I know they are. Definitely worth the money too.
@xpim3d
@xpim3d 4 ай бұрын
Is the collet chuck mandatory to do this type of jobs on lead screws? Thanks.
@riliwi
@riliwi 8 ай бұрын
How do you reharden it ??
@valekx3197
@valekx3197 Жыл бұрын
Great video, how much can cost a job like this? thank you
@Daniel_en_el_trabajo
@Daniel_en_el_trabajo Жыл бұрын
amaizing as always!!! 🇦🇷
@alanm3438
@alanm3438 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. First thing in the morning; good thing to wake up to. I do not do this kind of work so your videos are always educational. It is great that your standard is higher than what the print calls for.
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
It's crazy to draw something like this with so many tolerance differences. Just makes sense to tighten up on my side.
@blackbm54
@blackbm54 Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@Farm_fab
@Farm_fab Жыл бұрын
Josh, can you respline axles? I'm building a garden tractor, and am narrowing an SUV rear for it.
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
That's a better job for grinding the splines. Those shafts are so hard, I don't think they would even anneal well. Years ago I swapped wheel hubs on a tandem axle truck. That changed the shaft length on me. We had a hell of a time cutting those down. Took longer to shorten and adapt axles than the rest of the job.
@johnmcanulty7341
@johnmcanulty7341 Жыл бұрын
Tense moment at the end: Hoping you were not going to have an accidental caliper/concrete collision.
@U_ever
@U_ever Жыл бұрын
"LIKE" button has been torqued to the manufacturer's recommended specification. "CLICK". God forbid you should be running around Spooner there with a loose "LIKE" button !
@firehousecustomfab3286
@firehousecustomfab3286 Жыл бұрын
What were you using to clean the blueing out of the treads.
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
Very fine emery cloth.
@firehousecustomfab3286
@firehousecustomfab3286 Жыл бұрын
@@TopperMachineLLC ok. It looked almost like string, I wasn't sure. Thanks
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
I tore it that thin. That is the nice part of emery cloth, you can rip it to whatever you need.
@jaypatel-ij3ue
@jaypatel-ij3ue 27 күн бұрын
Hello please tell me which inshart yous and machine RPM ,FEED
@oldreliable303
@oldreliable303 Жыл бұрын
Where are you getting + or - .100 i was also told if it is a frackson it is + or - .015?
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
It is on the drawing. Fractional was +/- 0.100. I have seen drawings with fractional being +/- 1/4". Pretty crazy how different engineers draw things.
@oldreliable303
@oldreliable303 Жыл бұрын
@@TopperMachineLLC im use to a tool and die shop, + or - .005 is loose, .100? is, ill do that in the welding shop..
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 Жыл бұрын
If it goes undersized you don’t have a problem just your shop is too cold. Lmao😂
@markshort9098
@markshort9098 Жыл бұрын
+/- 0.100 is more than likely a misprint, it was probably supposed to be +/- 0.001
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
No it was correct. It's one of the largest fractional tolerances I've seen, but it was correct
@brucherrin8947
@brucherrin8947 Жыл бұрын
🍒
@rerun578
@rerun578 Жыл бұрын
Best price on a Starrett 123-50: about $5K. Heh heh.
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
they aren't cheap! Better have an absolute need for one before buying it.
@oldmetalmachines2094
@oldmetalmachines2094 Жыл бұрын
Well when you have a big Johnson you need a big caliper! Lol. Great video
@ttnd3d_387
@ttnd3d_387 Жыл бұрын
In a ball screw, the main diameter is where the balls roll. Outer diameter as after production. Not accurate for use as a base.
@RJMachine62
@RJMachine62 Жыл бұрын
The O.D. of "Rolled" ball screws can vary a lot from the pitch diameter/where the balls touch and I typically make a brass or aluminum spilt bushing and use a 4 jaw then test indicator to dial in the ball groove. On ground ball screws, most of the ones I've checked are very close and I'll just use a collet like Josh did. Annealing helps tremendously!
@TalRohan
@TalRohan Жыл бұрын
there is something so odd about having a tiny cutter like that in a massive lathe like that...very out of place lol
@clutch5sp989
@clutch5sp989 Жыл бұрын
While Josh does the work live, the customer is screaming, "WAIT WAIT STOP STOP...NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE". Also, we CAD guys don't mix our dimension styles fraction & decimal as shown on the print. Arrg...wanted to rip my testical off with such drawing blasphemy !
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
I have seen so many drawings over the years like this. It is funny how if you add up all of the tolerances, you can really screw up a part. I learned this years back at shop I worked in. Sure, the part was within tolerance, but the assembly it went into would not work. I spent a couple days with engineering to correct all future problems with their parts.
@levitated-pit
@levitated-pit Жыл бұрын
it shrank 4 tenths !!! is that of an inch? dude you gotta go metric
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
Metric hardly ever comes in this shop. It is an inferior measuring system.
@levitated-pit
@levitated-pit Жыл бұрын
you are a heathen,, a denier of truths may your god lead you to idiocy while my science leads me to accuracy! (chuckle ... i still use thous to describe a small measurement. im 62 yrs old, UK born n bred, been carving metal since i was 14 !!! metric is just better.@@TopperMachineLLC
@kennethstaszak9990
@kennethstaszak9990 Жыл бұрын
@@TopperMachineLLC My momma taught me at a young age - just because others do something doesn't mean you have to do it too. Metric system evangelists need to remember this important lesson.
@ellieprice363
@ellieprice363 Жыл бұрын
Why? His whole shop, like mine, is full of Imperial tools that measure in inches, thousands, and ten thousands of inches. Both systems are highly accurate, just different.
@dcraft1234
@dcraft1234 Жыл бұрын
If only we had some kind of tools to tell us what 4 tenths of an inch is...hmmm what could we use?
@orville697
@orville697 Жыл бұрын
metric is far easier 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
I don't measure in Deer Turds. I prefer Bananas
@orville697
@orville697 Жыл бұрын
@@TopperMachineLLC the rest of the world begs to differ only 3 countries still use imperial 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@TopperMachineLLC
@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын
@@orville697 If the rest of the world jumped off a bridge????? Being different is not a bad thing!
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