Machining the TITAN-53M on a TORMACH - Part 2

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[@willywgb]

Great video Jacob. I have an 1100 and absolutely love it. Does exactly what it was designed to do. Hope to see more Tormach videos. Cheers Willy

[@shirothehero0609]

How is it at holding tolerances? I keep seeing these videos and comments saying how they can't hold and aren't worth it, but the size is perfect for where I need it. I am looking to make some parts that need to be fairly accurate and repeatable but have been a little scared off by the supposed 'issues' with accuracy and holding tolerances.

[@willywgb]

@@shirothehero0609 My 1100 will hold tolerances all day long, but you have to use the appropriate feeds & speeds. Correct tooling also makes a big difference. Remember they are not production machines. If you are planning on doing production, your better off getting a Haas or similar. There are guys that run very successful businesses using Tormach machines, but they do their homework and run the machine accordingly. Cheers Willy

[@h2opower]

I think you are doing great Jacob. The only things I'd like to see more of is how you put a flood coolant system on a Tormach and for you so show your actual use of the Haimer zeroing the part. It would be wise to make use of some Tormach tools as well as their fly cutter does a great job as well as some other tools they make for their machines. But over all I think you did a great job keep up the great work.

[@iPACKgoldDOTS]

Some realistic feeds and speeds in this video. That finish on that surfacing work looks awesome. A++

[@johnl5177]

Titan just wanna throw the suggestion out many when doing these videos mention what cad cycle your using during the cut like adaptive, or contour, trace etc.

[@123kkambiz]

Fixture idea amazing, one can learn lot of free experience from Titans of CNC. Great work.

[@EZ_shop]

Love your enthusiasm Jacob. Pretty nice surface finish you got on that part. When you guys first got the 770 I remember the first part you made being 0.003" off. How is the precision now, and what did you have to do to improve it? Ciao, Marco.

[@shirothehero0609]

I have the same question! I've been wanting a 770/1100 but I've been scared off by the supposed tolerance issues and bad accuracy. It's hard to know what to believe out there and what is operator or setup error and what is a crap machine.

[@automan1223]

The machine may come shipped on the loose side / lash etc. once it has run a while you can tighten up the bearing blocks and adjust the ways if there is play....

[@tldinh]

@@shirothehero0609 Not sure if you're still thinking about getting a Tormach. I have the Series 3 PCNC 1100 and it's been great. I regularly hit +/- .001" (+/-.002" on setup parts) machining parts out of stainless, aluminum, and Delrin. You have to take time to set things up properly so everything is leveled and tight though. I think issues come up when people don't pay attention to the little details of setting up the machine.

[@shirothehero0609]

@@tldinh hey, thanks for the reply. I ended up finding a 770s3 locally that was near new. So yeah, I definitely pulled the trigger and had it about 2 months. Had the 4th axis super spacer, pdb and a good set of accessories with it. So far I've loved it but haven't gotten to use it as much as I'd have liked to due to some work travel craziness. Anyhow, I appreciate the validation in the accuracy and repeatability. I came down on the same conclusion that most of the crap talking was rooted in owner error or poor maintenance and it definitely turned out to be true. Thanks again sir.

[@automan1223]

Great work Jacob ! Key on tuning the feeds and speeds for best finishes. Worth the effort for the results ! Tough little machine !!

[@arturoverde3807]

That was beautiful to watch...back in the sixties,,,during my apprenticeship, this type of shaping was all hand set ,mostly with a single cutting head, and sometimes refining die cast alloy blanks........those were the days....🤣

[@dominikgoluch6559]

That Tormach would be an amazing machine to have. Can’t wait to get one!

[@dominikgoluch6559]

LowJack187 okay thanks.

[@bataantom]

I have one, I like it, bought before the price increases. I agree the prices are getting up there, but if you set realistic expectations I think youll be happy with it. If I was going to spend $25K on a Tormach and a Haas Mini Mill was only $5K more I would go Haas every time.

[@Wrenchmonkey1]

The materials aren't going to change, and the pricing isn't going to get any lower unless Trump's tariffs get rolled back. The slight price increase of the new M-series isn't really all that bad, considering that freight is now free. By the time you paid freight on the previous pricing model, it wasn't too far off from what it currently is now. If I had it to do over, I would've bought a 440 to use to overcome the steep learning curve of getting into CNC machining, and then when I was ready to move up from there, would've bought an older Fadal machine and retrofitted it with a modern controller. Definitely wouldn't have gone straight to the 1100 like I did. But you live and learn.

[@DIY3DTECHcom]

Great job as always!

[@EkimKnives]

Where did you set your x,y,z zero ? Was it off of the soft jaws since its saw cut stock for op2? Loving these tormach videos!

[@chrismayhew3651]

The young guy should be commended for stepping up, fronting the camera, showing passion, enthusiasm, and making an honest effort to contribute something positive. On the technical side of things it sounded like the Tormach was being driven close to its limits so I wonder if it's worthwhile doing a power calculation to add to the feeds and speeds data?

[@RobertWelchman]

You mentioned torquing down to 40 ft-lbs...how did you come up with that? Do you have any tutorials on that subject?

[@iPACKgoldDOTS]

That's a good question, allot of times it just comes down to that specific job and the type of fixture you are using

[@MagnumTacticalSupply]

I would also like more info on vise torque and how it relates to "the correct amount needed" to hold a part in the vise.

[@henrychan720]

Just crank it till the casting cracks, the back off a quarter turn and call in the apprentice.

[@multiHappyHacker]

That is really some great programming.

[@DuckyRC]

Id like to see the programming on this one please!

[@grappler185]

Are you guys going to do any more on the Tormach? Haven't seen anything new for a while.

[@alexisvalderrama878]

Amazing works men

[@shirothehero0609]

Honest question - I've seen a LOT of stuff showing that the tormachs can't hold tolerances and cut crazy ovals on circle paths. What kind of tolerances do you guys see? Are the 'issues' blown out of proportion or can these truly be used for production level quality?

[@dominic6634]

Great work

[@jepkeklinge3778]

Nice part , now same feeds and speeds but on a haas and then again but much faster

[@MrTjmk]

I'm working on a fluted rifle barrel on my Tormach 770. I have the 4th-axis setup on it and after alot of fumbling I finally got it to work for me. I mention this because I have yet to successfully download and use the fusion 360 software made available through my TITANS Of CNC account as a student of your Academy. I was wondering how you would go about fluting a barrel using the fusion 360 software? I'm using the SprutCam software that came with my mill package. The rifle barrel in question is only 17" long and tapered from 1.063" at the chamber end and .875" at the muzzle end. My fluting is modeled so that there are separate sections of spiral fluting on either end while in between the two sections of fluting the is a 1.5" space on the barrel that has 7 straight front to back flutes of an in and a quarter long. The reason that I set it up this way was because of the very small work envelop in the X-Axis. I can cut the flutes on the chamber end of my barrel as well as the center flutes, and then I have to flip the barrel around and cut the flutes on the muzzle end. I'm sure there's an easier way to go about this but being that I'm self-taught, I thought I'd ask how you guys would have gone about setting up such a project on your Tormach 770.

[@WesMakesStuff]

I'm ready for the 1m videos! How many endmills do I have to break! Great video

[@multiHappyHacker]

Did you start from top to bottom on that 3d profiling finish pass on purpose? What do you think of up milling vs down milling on a steep wall like that? Axial load like a high feed mill mean better surface finish? You should see the parts I'm making on a Tormach.

[@marc-antoinethebeautiful7714]

Can the tormarch reverse his spindle orientation in the middle of holes patterns to prevent chips nesting around the drill. I would like to know how to keep your coolant clean if it's too late/what maintenance how often what should be the sign to say stop time to clean coolant.

[@Luspe94]

Save time by using the facemil from the start to ruff everything, if your softjaws can hold it of course.

[@tkzsfen]

so cool!

[@Godofhouse]

I like his titan uhhhhh attempt

[@methujeraya]

I dont get the hate comments.. haiz. So how much for this machine? Also, can someome from the IT industry own a machine shop? Is the transition that hard?

[@bataantom]

Yes the transition is hard but doable. If your background is in the IT world and you want to own a shop, find a number 2, someone who you will pay well and take care of. In exchange they will treat your money like their money and your company like their company. Or you could work in a machine shop for 5 to 10 years learning a lot (but not everything) and go from there. Im sure youve dealt with CIO or CTO's in your current industry that have no experience but an MBA. The successful ones surround themselves with smart folks they can trust.

[@Wrenchmonkey1]

I work in IT, and have owned a Tormach 1100 for the past 2.5 years. It's a STEEP learning curve, but it's doable. It took me about 3 weeks of long nights to get to where I could confidently make the parts I wanted to make, and know I wasn't going to break tools. I blew up about $800 in carbide the first week I had the machine. I started in A36 steel though. My advice would be to start in aluminum, and build from there. Before you buy the machine, download Fusion360 and start learning how to model. Once you've got modeling down, start learning the CAM side of things. Some things you won't be able to learn until you're standing in front of the machine and running it, but you can learn a TON just using the software, and watching KZbin videos. NYC CNC has a fantastic channel that consists almost entirely of videos on running Tormach, and using Fusion 360. It's worth checking out if you're serious.

[@steinarne79]

Tolerance is always key in this work, even at the low end of machines. Original drawing length is 5.850, he gets 5,851. With is set to 2.900, he gets 2.899. That looks very nice for 15-20k machine.

[@neilkaiser8492]

In our shop we have DMG MORIs on a sponsor type bases. They run the mass production parts (100 max). I primarily work with prototype parts (1-5 parts). On a knee mill retrofitted with acu-rite mill power. My question is, for someone looking to purchase a mill to start making a side hustle in his own garage. Should I spend the money on a haas mini mill, a 1100m+ tormach (when they’re available), or just get another knee mill with mill power? I want to stay under 50k. Size isn’t an issue. Just want something that’s versatile.

[@jonathantaylor2584]

Have you considered a used VF-2 with a next generation controller? I've also seen used mini mills go for around $15k and used series 3 tormachs in the $8-20k range depending on options or up to $25k new. I think it would really come down to knowing what you're trying to achieve. I personally have run a Mini Mill 2 and would say that it's features are more appealing than a tormach because of the cat40 taper spindle and more rigid construction. But that's not to say that a tormach isn't capable in the right hands. I've seen great small production work by @lms_prototyping on Instagram. I've seen him cut steel, titanium, copper, and more.

[@Adam-b8i]

Consider your power requirements. The Mori 1100V is only going to run on 3ø 220 delta wye. And at about 80 Amps. So while that would be my 1st choice hands down for a 3ax mill, it’s not likely to work in a garage environment. For a side hustle, I’d look for a good deal on a low mileage mini mill. You can run it on single phase, it has a tool mag, can take decent cuts with proper tool paths, will fit through a garage door, etc. (provided it works with your part sizes)

[@neilkaiser8492]

adam tankersley I should have put more detail, size, power, etc isn’t a restriction, My shop is 30’x108’ and wired for all the right stuff. I’m more worried that the 5” 6,000psi of concrete isn’t enough. @Jonathan Taylor I have a used VF-2 in my watch on eBay currently. Majority of my business is racing. So lots of 6061, 7075, 4130, 4140, and EDT150. I like the really simple programming the ACU-Rite has but it’s very limited to what I can do. This is why I’m leaning towards a full enclosed CNC more. I’m still 8-10 months out from purchasing a mill, unless a screaming deal comes up. But I like to have a plan of attack.

[@bataantom]

Does this machine have a Power Draw Bar? Any tool pull out with the 1/2"? I guess the .020" WOC helped with that. Would like to see you push the machine since it has servos and Titan is always pushing speed. Maybe the servos are only good for increased accuracy and not for speed.

[@cnyjody9650]

Interesting machine. What was the tolerances of your part? What kind of tolerances can someone expect this machine hold? Thousandths, Tenths?

[@rcmaniac10]

this might help your question. www.tormach.com/support/wpdmpro/td10104-pcnc770-certinspect-0615a/

[@Badmike53]

Smooth!

[@Hanger-13]

How much is that machine? How much to purchase the drill bits? Which laptop did you use to draw the part on fusion360?

[@AbbeyRoad69147]

He forgot to end with "Boom!" *upset* 😔

[@GC-hw9ju]

What model Schunk vise are you using?

[@camilewis87]

are you guys not using the tool changer? Good job on the video btw man. :-)

[@geraldjohnson8586]

Would like to see some hard metals, like 65hrc, cut with ceramic tools.

[@geraldjohnson8586]

How about some 4 axis work on that Tormach!?

[@mbblastingdigging5381]

Could you do a video of some 6al4v or similar? :)

[@michaelkowalski3745]

I wish there was less editing in the process. I’d like to see all pre-machining probing operations and full length manual tool changes.

[@jeffkeller1669]

Cool !

[@gremlinsports]

Some real accuracy tests of the machine would be nice to see. Maybe a small injection mold like 8x8

[@OriginalJetForMe]

You didn’t show how you indexed this part!!!

[@hemligagosta6554]

anybody seen a video where they touch of tools and work offsets in a tormach? if so, show me the way, i don't remember seeing one.

[@Wrenchmonkey1]

Tormach has one. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKCsc5J8ltmnapY

[@CHinesRacing87]

There are a few on Tormach’s channel

[@y788lhjk1]

Sometimes i gringe sometimes i gringe hard

[@thebeltmakers3983]

Dont know but i have heared that it does not etch properly