Machining the TITAN-53M on a TORMACH - Part 1

CNC Machining our first part on our new Tormach CNC Mill. Speeds, Feeds, Depths Of Cut and Process Explained.
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[@MrUnited85]

You can't help but love these videos the boys and girls at titans of cnc do for us, hat off to you all... BOOM

[@joshuahuman1]

Great video I’m glad to see that you are making videos to teach people with lower power machines

[@DIY3DTECHcom]

I agree with you! And second this :-)

[@TheGreatBooger]

Can’t wait to get my 770 and start making chips and learning more from Titan Academy. Thank you again for everything you do Titan. Saving me from a headache going to a CNC school that cost $30k.

[@TAWPTool]

As a guy with a 770 in his home shop near you (Elk Grove) I'm really glad to see you addressing this market too. Thank you!

[@thechipwelder1253]

I am a student (medicine) and trying to put togehter a chinese 6040 router. I remember that I thought that the tormach was realy expensive for hobbyist purpose for some time ago. But as time proceed I realise more and more that tormach actually is spot on when it comes to performence and value for hobbyists. I will defenetly consider a tormach when the studies are finished.

[@AnthonyGriz]

Nice and clean, like the new fresh look of everything, just tidy! Would love a review of that Tormach in say 6 or 12 months to see how it all holds up and you've had a reasonable amount of time to test it. Looking sweet so far though!

[@josephgerads9057]

I have 2 1100s one is 7-1/2 years old, the other 5-1/2 years old both still doing lots of non conventional machining, lots of steel, heavy parts, over sized parts, tractor flywheels, engine blocks, engine heads, granite, wood, ect. still all original spindle bearings.

[@ycunderground]

Loving these video's, as an 1100m owner myself. I run a haas vf4 at work now due to content like this, BOOM. Can't wait to see more videos as such to come.

[@rajkumars5224]

This is what I want, as a beginner. i learnt some as usefully today, This tutorial video thaughts me . I'm sure We're really Rising to the Greatness.. keep pushing up us through posting sharing teaching via the academy. Bhoom....

[@NorthViewModelShop]

Great video really enjoy watching these videos and really enjoy watching these masters of their trade work

[@dominikgoluch6559]

I really would like to have that machine in my garage. Time to start saving 😄

[@TheGreatBooger]

Dominik Goluch Tormach finances. Full part maker kit runs about $24k. That’s everything thing you need to set up and make a part same day.

[@dominikgoluch6559]

Gary Leafty oh ok thank you!

[@TheGreatBooger]

Dominik Goluch NP. If you’re on FB there is a few Tormach operators and users, that great info resource on all Tormach machines. One of the pages is ran by a machine shop that started with a Tormach and now has 8 Haas machines.

[@dominikgoluch6559]

Gary Leafty i will check them out, I think I would really benefit from them since I am relatively new to machining. I have done many CAD models in school and used a 3 axis milling machine for plastic and wood, but I never got to program the part myself which now I can do with the Titans of cnc academy and Fusion.

[@TheGreatBooger]

Dominik Goluch Titan has provided a awesome learning curriculum for sure. I fiddled around with CAD on my own before watching his vids. Now I have most of my parts done. Was going to have a shop do my parts but the cost on my limited run of parts is not worth it. Good luck on your endeavors with CNC.

[@Hardz142]

This guy needs to do more videos..great camera presence 👍

[@eswnc]

Love the video, I just got my room done in the shop where my soon to come 1100M will go, can't wait.

[@automan1223]

Good work Jacob ! Surface finish with Ktools is impressive ! I had to laugh when Titan admitted they did not have a shell mill that small. Tormach is an excellent opportunity to learn CNC at home or in the small production shop !

[@DavidRonnemo]

Great host!

[@HariMulyanto]

great video, I wish I have Tormach CNC machine in the future.

[@samirabaza]

Nice job.

[@MakingandBreaking]

@titans of CNC:Academy What coolant ring is that?

[@TITANSofCNC]

Came with the machine

[@MakingandBreaking]

@@TITANSofCNC interesting, it's not on the tormach website

[@SH-pc4xt]

@@MakingandBreaking It is now, actually it's been there all along, but was hard to find (no proper link from the Coolant menu item). But Tormach have recently updated their website and the 1100M and 770M specific versions of the flood coolant system and of the automatic oiler are shown on the appropriate pages if you follow the website menus for Accessories and then Machine Options (see Oilers) or Coolant Systems (see Coolant Pumps, 1/8 th HP model 38881).

[@tinytruckclimbers2980]

Who makes those vise jaws? I want them! THanks

[@TheCrjflyr]

You guys must have some secret sauce. I’ve watched dozens of Tormach videos and no one gets the surface finish that you got on that part. I’ve never seen anyone use Kenametal tools in a Tormach either. Are those tools really that much more precise? If that’s the key, the difference from the other videos I’ve seen is mind blowing.

[@TITANSofCNC]

Tooling is huge, also pressure and rigidity... many try to push and show aggression... We are focused on the Art of cutting and teaching as we go by giving all speeds and feeds etc

[@jenspetersen5865]

@@TITANSofCNC How would you go about geting similar cutting results on machines with different specifications and alternatively differnt tools. We use a Haas TM1P that has more horsepower but less spindle speed available (6000RPM). Would it make sense to use tools with more flutes or simply just feeds and speeds by 25%, or utilise the HP to take deeper cuts?

[@MrTjmk]

Are your feeds and speeds arrived at by following the tool suppliers recommended feeds and speeds or did you calculate them yourselves? I ask because my Tormach 770 generally can't use the recommended feeds and speeds supplied by the cutting tool manufacturer.

[@TITANSofCNC]

You know, it’s really an Art. You also have to look at your machine, HP, Speed, Rigidity etc. I always listen to reps and use that as a starting point but usually push way past it... by thriving in different lanes... like having really good rigidity, tool length, Coolant etc... With the Tormach, I see it for what it is... a low priced machine that doesn’t have power but allows people who could never have afforded a machine, to have one and to make parts to print. So notice my Radial depths... very small, but I go full depth... Also use drills that break chips well like GoDrills because it take less force to drive them. Just have to learn, use common sense and learn as you go.

[@MrTjmk]

Yea that's kind of what I figured. I've found that with my 770 I generally have to reduce nearly all of my calculated feeds and speeds by at least a third of what's recommended by the tool manufactures and also those feeds and speeds that my HSM feeds and speeds software churns out. I was really hoping that this video had some easy to figure out method of calculating feeds and speeds for Hobby-Mill like the Tormach line of CNC mills. I guess it's really not possible. After breaking my share of end mills, I eventually had to play it by ear; literally. Thanks for your quick reply and keep up the good work. @@TITANSofCNC

[@mytuberforyou]

@@MrTjmk You can still use chip load to calculate your speeds/feeds, but with a flimsy import milling machine (mine's an RF clone, not a Tormach) your feeds and speeds need to be a lot LOWER (with the same chip load) because the spindle just doesn't have enough torque at the kinds of speeds big boy tools are designed to run at, if you can even get there. The most important thing in my experience is running high positive rake aluminum inserts, my machine is not at all tolerant of using carbide inserts for steel on aluminum, takes much more cutting force and bogs machine spindle.

[@Brenkeeno]

Hi Titan I'm just starting off in you're academy and I was just wondering is their any chance you can put measurements in metric instead of imperial ?

[@TITANSofCNC]

Yes It’s coming

[@Brenkeeno]

@@TITANSofCNC awesome thanks 👍

[@owensparks5013]

M+ so that machine has servos, Tormach are finally delivering some?

[@TITANSofCNC]

Yes, not sure when but it’s weeks not months... I believe

[@SH-pc4xt]

As of early May-2019, the servo upgrade kits are shipping to end users (just got mine!). These are the upgrades for 1100M --> 1100M+ and 770M --> 770M+. Tormach says servo upgrades for older 770/1100 series 3 (and I think even earlier) are coming later in 2019. M-series Spindle upgrades are still pending and will take M, or M+ to MX for those interested.

[@owensparks5013]

@@SH-pc4xt Thanks for the info 👍

[@ONEMANUNITX]

im in the industry below cnc, cutting the billets that we send to cnc places. id like to move up. i work 50+ hour weeks . full time. no cnc education. transitions looking hard to do...

[@wjfurqueron]

Nice to see the 770M running. When I saw yalls other video I called Tormach and got a bit of background on this particular machine you have. Couple of comments/questions: 1) the 770M is targeted at “affordable”...please keep that in mind when demoing the associated tooling :-). Even at 50% off, that tooling is very expensive for small biz owners like us. 2) would be great to see some of the setup for the part, eg Fusion 360/Inventor/Etc. Toolpaths et al 3) so given this is the 770 w servos, are y’all using a standard 770 post or a custom one? 4) speaking of affordable, how much is that vice? Can’t find pricing info anywhere online. Just curious if one might replace the Glacern I’m currently using. 5) would be great to see some micromaching on the 770M (hint hint) :-) Thanks for posting the video, looking forward to more from you. Be glad when the 770M starts shipping! Been waiting quite a while for it.

[@TITANSofCNC]

The vise is one we had available but is over kill for this machine as it’s one of the most rigid vises in the world... Post is exactly the same. Tooling can make a affordable machine... function like an expensive machine. So my theory here is to show that this machine can make beautiful parts to print, with great surface finishes without taking days to do it.

[@TITANSofCNC]

Lots more set ups coming and all kinds of machining. As previously stated I have 400K, 40K and this 15K machine... each has its place.

[@wjfurqueron]

Thank for replying. Totally agree on the turn around time of machining vs 3D printing (which we currently do), also materials costs. For materials costs for prototyping, Renshape vs resin (at 250 a liter for example) for larger core parts is very attractive. That’s the entire reason we’re looking to move to a hybrid environment of combined printing and machining to produce a given prototype. CNC is new to us, so look forward to following y’all on the “education/small biz” approach ;-j

[@wjfurqueron]

Agreed.

[@wjfurqueron]

Legacy Goods when I saw Titan’s original vid on the 770M, it got my attention. Especially the “assembled” state/crate it arrived in. We were going to make a Tormach purchase last year, then saw the new machines were being announced and decided to wait. What we thought was going to be a few months has gone a bit longer than planned; but want to wait for the M servo machines. Anyways, I called Tormach and they were quite open about discussing the machine in the vid. So kudos to them for being forthright. I’m honestly glad Titan got it and to see it running. Ive been aware Titan has the educational pkgs for sale (I’ve been to their website months ago, retentive engineer syndrome). Everyone has sponsors/partners (incl the 2 Johns), hey more power to them. It’s all about marketing and creating product need. Maybe Titan’ll somewhat “keep it real” for us mortals and small biz owners who are interested in following their Tormach adventures (including micro machining, subtle hint hint again). I do agree with his view of using best tools possible (eg can afford) yet applicable to get the job done. I’m a nutcase that bought Hardinge R8 collets & Harvey Tool mini tooling to run in a Grizzly drill/mill. Don’t laugh too hard, improved the total run-out and surface finish significantly and didn’t break as many of those tiny tools. Now if Tormach will just start shipping the dang thing, sigh. At least I have time to build a new dust collector for nasty Renshape dust, but that’s another discussion. So Titan, where’s the 4th axis for the 770M? How’s about some 4th axis micro machining on a 770M? A good natured gauntlet is thrown :-)

[@MR.KNOWITALL1982]

That is a servo motor machine correct?

[@TITANSofCNC]

Yes The servo motors are a $2K option

[@rcmaniac10]

i need a tormach..

[@BaldurNorddahl]

I ordered a Syil 5 as they seem to have better support in Europe. It is a 440 sized machine, slightly cheaper, better specs. I almost went Tormach, but apparently they can't even be bothered producing 230V or 400V machines that is needed for every other marked than north America and Japan. Tooling is also a problem, because there seems to be no way to buy Kennametal here. The local distributor does not carry the Titan of CNC tooling kit, and also does not sell to individuals or small companies starting up.

[@automan1223]

The 1100S3 & 1100M are 220v. Tormach's electrical system is internationally recognized for use all over the world. You can get a transformer to adjust the voltage in your situation if need be. KMetal is premium tooling and I am sure if you contacted HQ in USA they would be happy to help you.

[@BaldurNorddahl]

@@automan1223 the main problem then is that the 1100 are out of my price range. And frankly getting too close to HAAS tool mill pricing. But also the 220V is not made for European 230V 50 Hz. It is not approved and illegal to connect. The same is true for the transformer. It might work, but if someone is hurt or the house burns down, you are in trouble. But yes, all they need to do is include that transformer in overseas orders and get it CE approved. I do not get why Tormach apparently can not be bothered.

[@arindammajumder7781]

Please how to programma this

[@Slayer553826]

kinda funny that a $10k tormach is outfitted with $10k worth of kennametal tooling...

[@TITANSofCNC]

Again, Definitely wrong on that. That Shell Mill is a few hundred and you use it on everything. Tooling is the key to Machining and competing.

[@Slayer553826]

@@TITANSofCNC admittedly, 10k is a bit of an exaggeration but not by as much as you think. $350 for that cutter body, $20/insert or $200 for a box, $300 for that long flute 1/2 endmill and so on. Kennametal is a premium brand and as such command premium prices. Keep in mind that guys who own tormachs are not going to be getting discounts from tooling reps like a large shop as you would get. The point I am trying to make is that it might be better to match tooling appropriate for the machine. On that machine, Tormach's $150 superfly cutter is going to perform just as well as that $650 shell mill (arbor+body+inserts) and to a guy just starting out in their garage with a tormach, $500 is a huge difference.

[@h2opower]

@@Slayer553826 I agree with you on this as we little guys have to even put in our tool line up some "Bang Good" tools as we just don't have deep pockets. I don't think I have a single Kennametal tool in my inventory, not that I don't want too, as for now I just can't afford it.

[@85CEKR]

I'm pretty sure that vice is more than half the cost of that machine lol

[@TITANSofCNC]

Definitely is an Amazing vise for sure.

[@thetruthyouneedtohear]

I like where this is going, but have one comment regarding tool choice. There is a what I see as a bit of a mis-match going on. The tooling used for the job costs more than the machine itself. That shell mill with inserts and holder is close to $1,000.

[@TITANSofCNC]

Actually the tools are based from a TITANS of CNC: Academy Kennametal Tool Kit that they sell at 50% off. Also, Tormach start at $7000 which is drastically cheaper than a Haas and it can go in your garage. Haas has more power and costs more and is a better machine but many simply can’t pay $30-40K Jump to a Haas once you have work and money coming in or a solid plan for a school or business. Then use the Tormach as a second op machine. PS. Many can’t go to college. You could get this machine and work through the Academy at nights and the weekends for less than college etc... and own your machine at the end of your education.

[@thetruthyouneedtohear]

@@TITANSofCNC I fully understand the Tormach, that is what I like about the video, more realistic entry point for the beginner. And that is a really good price on the tooling. I stand corrected :)

[@gregorymaider6939]

Titan cloned himself

[@asmira4190]

7k is a crazy amount of money when you don't make shit lol

[@TITANSofCNC]

Yes... but it’s better than the $40K norm for an entry level machine.

[@twofortytwo]

7K just bought him a new audience and inspire more new machinist.

[@postiemania]

7K is reasonable and you only need one good customer for the machine to pay for itself

[@xenonram]

Ti-ann? Ti-tan.

[@TITANSofCNC]

Titanic like the 🚢 ship

[@ianporter7025]

The one that sunk? ;) @@TITANSofCNC

[@kamilmagda5230]

1

[@calebhouse2034]

Does tormach accept mastercam programming?

[@mytuberforyou]

The tormach machine control will run standard G-code, as will any machine using a PC based control running Mach, EMC, etc. I do not believe there is a post in Mastercam for "Tormach" but you can probably use one for HAAS etc. with a couple of minor tweaks. But if you can afford a seat of Mastercam, a Tormach is probably not your best bet for a machine tool.

[@calebhouse2034]

@@mytuberforyou I have a lifetime Mastercam license through my College. I also know long hand. I'm just looking for something to keep in the garage and run on my free time. Keep my skills honed.

[@billyboyce916]

Tormach accepts Gcode so yes pretty sure Mastercam will work.

[@TITANSofCNC]

Absolutely

[@maximebelanger9448]

Can go a lot faster

[@TITANSofCNC]

Don’t want to... just showing the art of making a cool part

[@Game0verxD]

all the tools used to make that part expensive then machine itself I see no point. If you can buy those tools you can afford at leas Haas. If you are buying Tormach probably you cant afford the tools. Dont get me wrong Tormachs are reasonable machines if you are not shooting for tight tolerances.

[@TITANSofCNC]

Actually the tools are based from a TITANS of CNC: Academy Kennametal Tool Kit that they sell at 50% off. Also, Tormach start at $7000 which is drastically cheaper than a Haas and it can go in your garage. Haas has more power and costs more and is a better machine but many simply can’t pay $30-40K Jump to a Haas once you have work and money coming in or a solid plan for a school or business. Then use the Tormach as a second op machine. PS. Many can’t go to college. You could get this machine and work through the Academy at nights and the weekends for less than college etc... and own your machine at the end of your education.

[@jaden7646]

Rule of thumb in the machine shops I've been at says cost of tools equals cost of the machine (germany, mechanical engineering).

[@Game0verxD]

@@jaden7646 yea but if you gonna run machine shop in terms of work you dont want machine that uses open loop control. because you will have hard time to hit the dimensions.

[@Game0verxD]

also how many tools are we talking about if 5 tools cost as much as the machine something is wrong

[@jaden7646]

@@Game0verxD 64 SK40 tool holders per each machine, 450+ tools and their specifications stored in a shared tool list. We produce mostly single parts in mechanical engineering. If you use your tools, you know their dimensions and how to hit the required dimensions. That is simply how a machinist works after he got to know his machine.

[@CATANOVA]

This machine is a toy, it has a motor with the same 750W power as an electric hand drill. Not accurate on dovetail ways, no quality castings, no power to cut and produce a proper chip in metal without vibrating and breaking tools. This message undermines the Titan mission which is supposed to be about excellence. Where is this machine made, can anyone guess? No BOOM here folks, rather a case of taking a promotion fee. This has tainted my view of Titian going forwards, although we all do make mistakes from time to time. Titian, you have a Rolls Royce showroom and you are trying to sell something like a tuk-tuk. It doesn't make sense.

[@michaelkowalski3745]

But are you a machinist at working a job that has a high end cnc, or do you actually own that high end cnc? This thing is actually in reach for hobbyists, whereas other machines you’re looking at least double/triple the cost. It easy to say what you say when you go to school or work somewhere that has the high end machines. But...you’re stuck doing jobs that your boss gives you rather than making your own projects/ideas.

[@CATANOVA]

Greetings Michael The problem I have with this is that buying a CNC machine is just the begining when it comes to spending hard earned money chasing a dream. When you add on all the extras such as tool holders and other machine options, which many people do right out of the starting gate, then the price can easily double. I agree that the lowest starting or base price is attractive however one must remember that they are buying a tool to perform certain functions. For most people this will be an investment of sorts and when it comes to investments it really does pay to do your homework. 1. You need several KW on the spindle as a minium. 2. ISO 30 taper minimum to secure the tooling (sub 10mm or 3/8 tool diameter), 40 taper is better. 3. Servo motors on the axis not hybrid or stepper in order to have proper torque and speed. 4. Linear ways and ground ball screws are the only economic method of obtaining repeatable accuracy. Any slop in the drive train will simply shatter or chip decent carbide tooling. 5. A proper rigid frame or casting to prevent the machine flexing and to have tight control of harmonic vibrations that all machines/tools have. A machine that can easily bend or flex will destroy tooling and bounce around on the workshop bench or floor when climb milling. When trying to buy cheap your options are heavily used old machines that would more than likely be well past their best. The second option is kit like Tormach. Both options are sub optimal and will result in much frustration for the average person looking to get in to this field. There will of course be people that know exactly what they are getting and how best to use such kit, but not many. I myself have been here many years ago. I worked out what was what and put a plan in place to obtain a proper machine which I now have. You need to work hard and smart and save. Avoid debt as this is another potential pitfall. I would recommend looking at some of the Haas offerings as they do cater for a tight budget. There will be others out there such as Hurco which is what I ended up buying. The general rule in life, which tends to be true more often that not, is 'Buy cheap, buy twice'. Kind regards.

[@SH-pc4xt]

@@CATANOVA Dude, different people have different needs, limitations, and objectives. Yours is the perspective of a purchaser who can commit to $50 - $100K or more out the gate. So, yeah, obviously not a Tormach buyer. But me? It was a stretch as a hobbiest to even get a Tormach. And, no, I'm not going to buy some 20 year old dinosaur FADAL, and then update it and pray it keeps running. But for others that's an excellent way to save some $s and get higher performance. But I don't need industrial speeds and feeds. So for people like me, for someone wanting to smart small in a side business, for a school, Tormach machines are a very good choice. But, clearly, if you need (and can afford) the extra speed and accuracy, by all means go for it. Also if you work within it's power envelope, it's perfectly capable of producing high quality parts good enough for many if not most parts a hobbiest or small operation produces. And if you think Titan added this level tool for a promotion fee, well you're entitled to your wrong opinion.