macOS Sucks

"macOS Sucks" was originally recorded (live) on June 10th, 2023.
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[@justinhall3243]

To prank someone I once took a screen shot of the mac desktop and used photoshop to clone stamp the trash can something like 100 times all over the place. Then I set that image as the wallpaper and used resedit to hide the actual trash can.

[@UNATCOHanka]

How do you feel knowing you have a date with Satan in the future? 😂

[@mattvanderwalt6220]

Had similar done to me... at the same time they switched all my keyboard keys around.... many 4 letter combinations

[@jamestillman5247]

Are you a child? This is something wannabe nerds do to show off their "leet" skillz to their unsuspecting friends. But for real though this cheezy prank has been around for 20 years and you had the balls to rattle off the process like you were special or something lol.

[@justinhall3243]

@@jamestillman5247 At the time, yeah I was a very young adult with the mentality of a child. This was 25 years ago.

[@justinhall3243]

@@UNATCOHanka damned

[@stam_ehad]

The wackiness and flexibility is what brought me to linux, Never knew the mac was so flexible in the past

[@FlameForgedSoul]

So few remember/understand just how amazing it used to be.

[@JeemsJustJeems]

@@FlameForgedSoul it was too busy crashing constantly for the rest of us

[@redgek]

and what's funny linux is getting less flexible as the time goes. Almost every major distro is the same these days, many even down to package manager. RedHat OS? IBM TUX? It's getting there. At least you still can customize a lot of the things manually, but it has been feeling hostile to it for some years now. Back in the day I would just install a WM and made a few scripts, now I need to glue so much stuff to get most programs to run because they all expect a full DE dbus and systemd.

[@josephlandry8787]

macOS is the best SSH client money can buy.

[@justanothercomment416]

And VM host. So you can do actual work in VMs.

[@dnel83]

It is a SSH client money can buy

[@drishalballaney6590]

correction: MacOS is the best netbook money can buy

[@Ironically-Sarcastic]

@@justanothercomment416 With the ARM architecture it's no longer good for hosting x86 Windows/Linux VMs, and requires emulation for that now. I do literally use my Macbook as an SSH client (via Mosh for speed), with tmux on a remote LInux server and VIM for editing code. I can't stand how dev tools work on MacOS's confusing filesystem.

[@judewestburner]

The most expensive ssh client money can buy 😄😁

[@LordApophis100]

Apple started to shorten hardware support when they decided to transition Macs to Apple Silicon. We'll have to see if they lengthen the support again for M1 Macs.

[@user-bz9sj8mh5d]

Considering the big push for AI and the massive RAM requirements for it, don't count on it, at least with base model systems. I have a hard time believing macOS 5 years from now will run comfortably in 8 GB of RAM.

[@isaac80745]

@@user-bz9sj8mh5d Maybe pushing 5 years when they stop releasing 8gb model. Many pc users know it's better to have more ram just in case.

[@scrooge-mcduck]

I started to work on a Mac as a designer in 1990, having transitioned from an Atari and PC clone. Initially I could not afford a Mac of my own so I got a magneto-optical drive and just copied the system folder over, this way I could use any Mac that was available around as mine. I lived through and experienced the '90, '00 and on. I miss those times, software now is not like it used to be.. Your presentation is excellent, the Spirit of Mac had been lost when a computer company became a consumer electronics company. That day when they downgraded labels on files and folders.

[@chrisnelson414]

Linux Foundation uses Macs, so that figures.

[@rnts08]

They're very pretty sah clients and text editors, and a good tax write-off due to it's cost. Old school Macs had a purpose. The pros up to g4 had some use. These days, they're just shinies.

[@spht9ng]

@@rnts08 Just shinies with best in class performance and power usage. But cool, continue the anti-Apple circlejerk. It gets you sick Lunduke viewer updoots

[@MogelBoom]

​@@spht9ng Id love to have a mac-level case in a Linux laptop too

[@tutacat]

They don't even support Linux. The Linux Foundation does not figure.

[@Falsechicken]

@@spht9ng If the context that was given in their explanation is true then to them they would be just "shinies" lol.

[@organismseven3700]

So... its time to bring back a new modern version of AmigaOS?

[@slaapliedje]

Yes please. AmigaOS4 is actually pretty sweet... if you can get it to be stable...

[@ErazerPT]

You already had that WAY back when. The "new modern" and imho still the best and unbeaten paradigm was simply DOpus 5.5+ as desktop replacement. It... just worked. And it was as much "power user" as you were, because it WAS designed to be built-on ad nauseum. Very little past 3.1+ was put in that most "power users" weren't already using with some patch like MCP, NewMenu, etc... That's why many users didn't even bother with anything new, as 3.1 with all the good stuff was rock solid.

[@slaapliedje]

@ErazerPT Yup! And 3.2+ has some nice things that are now built in so you don't have to install a lot of those old things anymore.

[@ErazerPT]

@@slaapliedje Looks interesting, sounds a lot like "It's 3.5, or how it should have been". Which makes (and made) a whole lot more sense than 4+. In a way, it seems to be a common trend. System was cool, needed minor fixes, got OSX/macOS. Workbench (3.1) needed some minor fixes and improvements, 3.5 was almost that, but then... 4 monstrosity. Windows 7 was the best windows ever, needed minor fixes and what not. Here, have 8, a clusterfsck, and now have 11 an even bigger one. Guess "it's the same but just better because we fixed all issues" doesn't sell as well as "ZOMG LOOK AT ALL THAT BLING!!!". ( on Linux side I'm a Slackware user so I'm obviously biased towards "don't fsck things that work well" ;) )

[@organismseven3700]

@@ErazerPT Agree. Except I am a DOpus 4.16 man.

[@lowstaar]

Almost every IT snob I know thinks I'm and idiot for saying that old Mac's in the early 90's had dominated very specific niches like music production, they just simply can't understand that running dual displays with a fully GUI music production software was only possible with a Mac. So much for knowing the proper history of IT. 1989 - Digidesign launches the first digital audio workstation system, Sound Tools, for the Apple Macintosh. The company refers to it as "the first tapeless recording studio"

[@adampope5107]

That's weird. The only things I knew about Macs were that people used it for music and imaging.

[@SinistralEpoch]

@@adampope5107 Literally what was described is something most music producers do today. Macs destroy the PC platform in this space.

[@monterreymxisfun3627]

To be fair, employers bare some blame from locking it down so much.

[@Sonyboj]

Such as?

[@dahlia695]

Back in the pre-OSX days there was this utility named "Resedit" and you could edit various parts of any program on your Mac. I used it to edit the trash can icon and turned it into a dented trrash can.

[@MaxOakland]

It's fun to open the System file and see what weird little icons and text strings are in there. Same with applications

[@FlameForgedSoul]

And glorious sites like ResExcellence that cataloged how to do such things and warehoused/linked to custom GUI elements you could use. All of Our application splash screens were custom.

[@RockwellAIM65]

NeXTStep had an equivalency for this but unfortunately Apple dropped it. You used to be able to go in and modify nibs and do all kinds of things to customize NeXTStep. It was tons of fun! Also, with Display Postscript you could pull all kinds of magnificent shenanigans with aesthetic appeal. I hated the Mac as it kind of fell apart over the years. But I hate the current version of "NeXTStep" more coz altho' it was a better system in terms of extensibility+customization than the Mac, "Ample Computers" never tried to keep it fun to use.

[@ingikjartansson]

I still miss the old classic Mac Os, I don’t miss the unstableness of it, but I miss it 😢

[@RockwellAIM65]

It was awful how it crashed all the time and you had to use MacsBug to try to figure out which extension or application was _maybe_ the instigator!

[@diablosv36]

It was the iPod that changed Apple forever. They were able to make a MP3 player that was extremely user restrictive, with a non replaceable battery and forcing iTunes software to use it, but it did very well for them, and that was the turning point for them. No longer giving users total freedom made sense to them anymore, instead providing a more restrictive curated experience was what they were finding success with.

[@goatmeal1880]

I remember when my brother got an ipod for the first time and he tried to drag and drop a file onto the ipod and it wouldn't work. that's how I knew something was wrong

[@diablosv36]

@@goatmeal1880 I tried the same thing. That's when I knew that this device was not for me

[@annybodykila]

A friend brought an ipod over and wanted an mp3 i had, only way to add music is itunes, installed it, it renamed 20gb of mp3s from atrist-song name to random gibberish, i was so mad ive never used an apple product since

[@philippkemptner4604]

Instead of switching to OSX I switched over to PC. Apple really made me hate them with their cutting all ties every few years. 68000, PPC, Intel, now Apple Silicon and so on. And then those incopatibilities from one OS updatr to the other. That 'Oh my, did you hit the update button? Congratulations now Pro Tools won't run any more'. I can run ancient software on my windows without any problems. It's true, today anything is more like a mac than any device from apple.

[@user-tc2ky6fg2o]

I'm not a Pro Tools guru, but I know if I use it, the Update button is forbidden.

[@jakobole]

And when a PC user in the Daw-world has a problem, their solution is to propose 'get a mac'.... I then remind them of the above, and of course like a cult, they go hunting for blood...

[@RockTo11]

The current macOS GUI is super-pretentious. I think the pretentiousness really took off from when they released iOS 7.

[@halfsourlizard9319]

It's more like infantilising ... It looks like it was designed for small children.

[@syloui]

Which is why it's so frustrating that the average Linux desktop environment, which used to be very distinct and dynamic, is now a wasteland of Mac OS clone themes

[@AlexandreLollini]

For me it's the files/folders : the filesystem, the linux-mess, the multi-user-mess. Good old mac use to be : you drag and drop a system folder and you BOOT on it, bang. You drag an app and you use it bang. You trash an app and ALL is gone, bang. The mouse does better than a terminal, because bang. The editing of text is magnifiscent, simple, crisp. A computer user manages his files hierarchy, his folder tree. Apple destroyed all that when updated itunes, iphoto to NOT having a human friendly file hierarchy. Apple destroyed that when file search zapped from FILENAME to CONTENT. Today computer are not ours anymore. I don't feel ownership on all that current junk.

[@nzcurtis]

I like to think that someone born around 1998 or later learned that Mac is short for Macintosh from this video lol

[@waynedegeere]

MPW was “Macintosh Programmer’s Workshop” - Not “Workbench”

[@JodyBruchon]

One thing I think you missed is *A/UX, or Apple UNIX.* Apple had their own full-blown graphical UNIX port way before OS X. It looked just like the Macintosh System but it was a true UNIX system.

[@peterstefanov3594]

With MAC OSX 10.2, you could run the UI over A/UX, though I remember it being extremely slow compared to Mac OSX.

[@OtherTheDave]

I really want to play with A/UX some day.

[@RockwellAIM65]

A/UX was fine I used it coz I had the employee discount at Ample Computers. In fact I used it to learn Unix. But I quickly graduated to NeXTStep in 1989, finding used systems quite affordable by that time. Very fun machine. A/UX _could_ have pulled ahead the soda-head CEO of Apple (Spindley?) kinda saw it but didn't have the vision. Steve had too much vision with NeXT... it frustrated him and it took a long time for the vision to work itself out, coz it was far ahead. I think by the time it re-shipped as MacOS, he was tired and didn't want to bother keeping it fun. Add to that a lot of the partners at NeXT included companies like Clorox, the CIA... y'know corporate guys. So I think he didn't wanna revisit what he definitely thought of as "amateur hour." He only wanted the big league. The current guys are the same and really into sameness. They will never have an independent thought in their lives (I know... Eddy Cue was my boss and altho' I liked him fine... imho people like him are at the core of the problem at Ample Computers).

[@nixielee]

Drag the system folder to a new drive and it will boot? That is truly impressive

[@bloxyman22]

Amiga did that in the 80s... Also if you wanted to install a driver you just simply drag and dropped it into the right folder. You want your old video player or image editing software to support new codecs/formats? Again just simply drag and drop to the right folder on system disk and all software magically now support it.

[@rnrbishop]

the mac did that in the 80s before the amiga existed. ​@@bloxyman22

[@MaxOakland]

Yup. That kind of thing made me fall in love with Macs long after Mac OS 9 was gone. It was so cool

[@MaxOakland]

@@bloxyman22 Mac OS did it in the 80s too. Way before Amiga. Amiga has plenty of things to claim "first" on but that's not one of them

[@bloxyman22]

@@MaxOakland Interesting. I honestly did not know and is one of those features I miss the most.

[@TechTimeWithEric]

I guess I’ve been watching Mr Lunduke long enough that I knew it wasn’t going to be an hour long diss track lol. But I do wonder if Mac will go back to longer OS support as the last of the Intel Macs are phased out.

[@nopana_]

Are there no project at all like the old Mac OS? (and/or the hardware) If there is, please tell me!

[@2rx_bni]

Curious where you sit on Framework's modular devices tbh

[@macintush]

8:13 what do you mean fairly recently? Like 2001 when Macs Shipped with OS X Standard 🤣

[@RichardLofty]

Please make a video about Serenum OS / computer. 1 guy, wrote his own compiler, language, OS, and all the tools. And right now is working on wifi.

[@SimGunther]

Might be too based even for Bryan and that's saying a lot

[@Rhalt]

I had completely forgotten making copies of PC's as the tech kid in school by dragging that system folder around.

[@stevenrun3492]

Classic MacOS was really a marvel. It had huge limitations, but the stuff that it *could* do? Nothing else could the same way. I have so much fun just playing with my old macs running System 7-9

[@RockwellAIM65]

It was fun but unprofessional. I think NeXTStep could have been both (professional + fun) but currently is as much of a walking disaster as MacOS 9 was.

[@linuxman7777]

That hotswapable battery thing is really good, My Panasonic Toughbook and Fujitsu Lifebook both have hotswappable batteries. But they are both from the 2000s

[@seapanda-117]

I really enjoy my M1 MacBook. It’s not perfect, but my battery lasts way longer than anything else and that’s my specific need being away from a charger all day. A lot of this is right on point tho. 😂😅

[@JodyBruchon]

And then the flex cable fails!

[@user-qf6yt3id3w]

I think these "... sucks" videos are interesting because you have to know a lot about the system to write one. Or even appreciate one. It's like how people criticising hipsters tend to be at least hipster adjacent.

[@obineg5752]

my G4s still work, and when something breaks i can replace it. let´s talk about the condition of your M1 in 23 years from today. yes i know i am comparing apples with squirrels here, but you get my point. :)

[@user-qf6yt3id3w]

@@obineg5752 This is the issue that will eventually force me back to PCs. Though since both Windows and Linux suck way more than macOS I dunno what I'll run on them.

[@digitalspecter]

Yup, M1 Macbook was the hardware I've been waiting for all this time. Enough power, doesn't get hot and loud, lasts for a long time. I happen to have that specific need as well. I can work for 3 days in the wilds (I'll take a small powerbank with me and that's enough). When this becomes possible with Linux I'll switch back because I do not really like macos.. but the hardware is great.

[@dakata2416]

Finally someone with some common sense!

[@deckard5pegasus673]

When apple made the switch to the NeXT operating system, dubbed "Mac OSX" , Apple introduced the Carbon C API for programming. This API was great, in fact it was similar to Win32 in many ways. When apple deprecated the Carbon API and forced everyone to use Cocoa and objective C, is the day Apple died for me.

[@mariogt]

and even worse when they force everyone to embrace swift instead of objective-c

[@user-qf6yt3id3w]

I didn't use or develop for Macs at the time but I remember Apple deprecated Carbon by saying it wouldn't be ported to 64 bit at a show. This was an issue for Adobe who had been told it would. Of course Apple's typically zealous users blamed Adobe for not having Photoshop ready sooner, even though it was clearly Apple's fault. Which reminds me of another thing I find irritating about Apple. Windows can still run Win32 applications built for NT4.0 or Win95. Macs frequently can't run apps built a few years ago because Apple deprecated some API or swapped CPU architecture again. E.g. we've had 68K to PPC to Intel 32 bit to Intel 64 bit to ARM 64 bit. You only get compatibility will one step back, not two and only for while.

[@TheBadFred]

What are the alternatives? Windows 11, that most people don't want to install, Linux, X11 or Wayland? I think most developers hate Xcode, right?

[@user-go8pk1hh2v]

Those 'hideous' windows shown when discussing Appearance Manager were courtesy of a utility called Kaleidoscope, by Aaron Rose. A fun little bit of code to play with.

[@RockwellAIM65]

Hot Dog Linux is available.

[@liquidreality472]

Kaleidoscope was awesome, but my father would bug out that it was "different"

[@RockTo11]

Classic Mac OS is awesome?.... um.... "An unknown error occurred because an error occurred."

[@obineg5752]

you will never get such a nonsese message with MacOS, you seems to mix it up with windows. :)

[@RockTo11]

@@obineg5752 Haha.... definitely classic Mac OS error message. There was even an article about sucky Mac OS problems, CU Amiga magazine, back in the day.

[@obineg5752]

@@RockTo11 you read one article? great. i use it since 25 years. and i can tell you that macos reports errors with "macos error numbers" which are more or less exactly explaning the user what happened. there is no such thing as an "unknown error", this string doesnt exist in the system files.

[@RockwellAIM65]

My favorite on NeXTStep was... "You do not exist. Go away." This happened when plugging a terminal into the RS422 port on NeXT hardware.

[@RockTo11]

@@obineg5752 A butt-hurt fanboy, by chance? I guess you're also not familiar with the bomb box (which required removing the power supply to resolve)?... or the ubiquitous "There was an error" message?... or the "were hanging in here" message?... or the "Disk could not be initialized. Unable to initialize the disk" message?... or the "The application unknown unexpectedly quit" message?...

[@kevinsedwards]

This has gotten me to sleep many times thanks lun duke

[@scottmorgan5212]

Can't wait to see all the wonderful things about Mac in Lunduke OS

[@stulawson]

Apple has become what it sought to better than - a monolithic corporate lacking innovation and abusing its market position. Got my first mac in 1995 and it was glorious. Own an M3 but it doesn’t feel like it has the same spirit or rebelliousness.

[@Czarmzy]

Co-operative is what God intended, according to Terry

[@PaulSpades]

Well, we got multicore and asymmetric cpus since then. Cooperative might actually be faster and more efficient on modern hardware, if you carefully manage task priorities (instead of always interrupting intensive tasks and flushing their instructions from cache).

[@halfsourlizard9319]

Run everything in Ring 0; what could go wrong!?

[@Mamiya645]

MacOS on a 2012 Air, acquired this year, is my most recent exposure to it. I really enjoy the whole "WE WERE A ONE BUTTON MOUSE SYSTEM BACK THEN AND BY GOD WE SHALL CONTINUE TO BE ONE NOW" design. There's now a linux installation on the unit (i7 model w 8gb ram on an early 2015 air or earlier = keeper) and life is so incredibly much better, despite the suck of linux.

[@liquidreality472]

Dragging copy of system folder onto ram disk... Ah the memories

[@wizzydq1]

Such nostalgia

[@blu3h4t]

some of my colleagues say you are sucha linux/unix specialist you should be our mac specialist, and im like do i need it i have my hands already full with these system center automatisations :D

[@halfsourlizard9319]

Can confirm that the 'jet engine' Mac lived up to its name ... Had one when I was a PhD student and ran Linux on it; during boot, the fans ran at 100% until I logged in ... which was fine -- except for those times when my officemate was in and I was not.

[@obineg5752]

i wouldnt know where i would be when there was no resedit/resorcerer. it was a revelation when i discovered it with OS7. i dont use it much - but it is so important in certain situations. in 95% of the cases you can change menu items in programs, in 50% of the cases you can reskin programs totally. hacking resources helps you to adjust window and dialog sizes in programs which come with tiny, not resizable dialogs. there are literally hundreds of useful controlpanels and extensions, and when there is none for the change you wish to make, you can fix the rest by hacking the system suitcase or third party app. using MacOS9 since 25 years now and it gets better day by day. what really sucks is the hardware though. be prepared for a regular need to repair something, and learn how to come along with the CPU G4s can offer.

[@someoneelse3876]

I recently bought an old Powerbook to play with, because I used a lot of macs in the nineties, but jeez, classic mac os is extremely unstable, much more so than I remember. Run one program that crashes, and you usually have to reboot the whole computer. I think you are looking at classic Mac OS with with sentimental eyes.

[@kylewhite2985]

Yes but I think you are looking at it with hindsight 2020 eyes, everything crashed that way and worse back then.

[@someoneelse3876]

@@kylewhite2985 Yeah maybe! 😄

[@JodyBruchon]

OS X was the Windows XP of the Mac ecosystem, but they really starting losing the plot about when they got up to Sierra which started really breaking old software.

[@user-nr5zo5os2d]

The perfect integration between OS and hardware. Linux Foundation uses MAC 😂 The end.

[@StressedOut-cl5ne]

What about shortcuts for macOS?

[@obineg5752]

would you say they are better or different? i love navigating the finder using keys only, but i think that windows can do that too but i am just too lazy to learn.

[@GrahamBrownVirtualTours]

Applescript still existed later on it was just renamed to Automator and was more powerful too

[@DJAutism1]

AppleScript does still exist too, not just as Automator.

[@jimseibyl5140]

The themes you showed were from the beta Copeland builds that devs got. Apple stripped out those themes for os8 and os9, so unless you used a third party tool, those themes were not in retail builds.

[@AdamBuker]

Well a lot of hardcore mac users from back then did use Kaleidoscope to install those themes and many others. I certainly did.

[@austinbowling3590]

I'm just waiting for the Return of the Mac

[@thechadbuddha]

i put 5 on it ;)

[@whtiequillBj]

@17:15, I believe the first Mac was just a motherboard with no case.

[@IDisposable]

With any hardware maker... you mean like Framework?

[@principleshipcoleoid8095]

Their backups are nice.

[@AlexandreLollini]

What if I coulf fix My IIfx or my 9600/350... those beige things are awesome.

[@user-bz9sj8mh5d]

As a long-time Mac user, this was a good reminder of many of the great things that classic Macs had going for them that simply aren't around in the same form anymore. While modern Macs certainly have their strengths, some of the old features (HyperCard, AppleScript, seamless multimonitor support) are sorely missed.

[@SouthFacedWindows]

MacOS now looks like a cartoon OS. It is so dumbed down that you would feel like an stupid. I miss the days of Jaguar, Leopard. ibooks were awesome and affordable. 12 inch Powerbook pros were awesome. Now all Apple product sux.

[@RockwellAIM65]

It's as if someone is trying to destroy the company from within.

[@dm8579]

What exactly has been "dumbed down"?

[@muddywolfking]

Looking forward to the ultimate Lunduke diatribe. "Everything Sucks" :)

[@connorkiss2614]

Damn the last bit. I miss the old Macintosh days.

[@kiseitai2]

7:50 it’s just like my own project’s versioning. A pipeline can be on version 5 while the framework is version 1 (2 if counting from 0).

[@tutacat]

Macos subsystem for UNIX.

[@jaroslavpsenicka]

some of the skins (Appearance manager section) belongs to the Copland project, which never reached the shelves TBH

[@2disbetter]

A iOS sucks show would make so much sense. It is truly terrible for so many reasons.

[@kevinsedwards]

So true. You can't even easily scroll to the end of your text highlight lol

[@barcigian]

I thought I was the only weirdo that miss the old systems metaphors, the old look and feel. Even windows 3.11 was great!

[@_trudge]

i used a powermac g4 mdd until 2012 or so , it was excellent . i write this on my modern pc using a classic mac keyboard from my mac cube . old mac hardware is excellent and continues working to this day !

[@bigjd2k]

Same as everything now - looks cool but works badly and hard to upgrade and repair.

[@WattSekunde]

YES! Hi - from a long time A500 and A3k user and software developer too. Good, to the point video! It's always hard to make others understand what they're missing when they don't even know a little about it. Nowadays Apple even goes so far as to fix window and dialog sizes and positions. It's awful. That's also why there are still active retro computer scenes. For example the C64 demo & games scene. It's exactly this freedom to do what *you* want with *your* system, right down to the bare metal!

[@AdamBuker]

The retro computing scenes these days really make the old machines even more enjoyable to use in some ways than they were back then. I have my old Apple IIe that I have owned since the early 90s and it now runs all my software off of a CF card instead of 5.25 floppies. I have a Mockingboard clone sound card and a 4MB RAM expansion. I can do all sorts of things on it with everything I've added on to it in the last 5 years that I never could before. It's the most stable, open-ended, and repairable machine that Apple ever produced or ever will produce.

[@DonThorntonJr]

awesome walk down memory lane for me - spot on and I was lucky to have experienced most of this first hand

[@otte385]

Man, I would kill to have something like Extensions and AppleScript on a Linux system. Just getting something like Automator from Mac OS X, even though it sucks more, would be amazing

[@digitalspecter]

Now I'm curious, what makes Automator better than scripts on Linux?

[@RockwellAIM65]

Linux really needs NSBundle and NeXT PDO. Static bindings on apps are a problem and Linus+friends don't seem to be able to decide on a course of action. There are also possibilities also with AI and PDO... tho' it's early. Musk was just saying that so far AI has been useless in engineering at SpaceX and I know part of the problem with that is related to the ossification of network and DO protocols. e.g. we have websites (why?) but we do not have internet channels that we can bind to. It not 'crazy-stupid' but these guys these supposed luminaries are just lazy ne'er-do-wells they have spent the last 25 years not pushing the tech forward - now we will pay.

[@otte385]

@@digitalspecter Graphical automation mostly.

[@mccrh7737]

Still have mad love for the classic Mac OS 😍 To this day I still develope and use the classic platform to this day and will continue for many years to come 🤩

[@smallduck1001001]

I really don't think MPW (workshop not workbench +5:45) was free, but part of a pricey developer account. It's shell wasn't csh, and very limited because it couldn't fork processes: commands were run like plugins to MPW's app process and could only run one at a time. As an example, the Make equivalent couldn't launch build commands itself, but instead had to output a build script, exit, and have the shell run the script.

[@Morokiane]

I think one thing missed. It was cool they experimented with a lot of stuff; those products never really saw the light of day. This caused Apple to hemorrhage money leading to needing to be bailed out by Microsoft. Also a lot of points, like the internet dependency, are the exact same as Linux and Windows.

[@NotOrdinaryInGames]

Did Amiga come after the Mac?

[@RockwellAIM65]

Yes. Commodore was essentially a chip fab that made her own computers.

[@NotOrdinaryInGames]

@@RockwellAIM65 I guess Apple (the Apple that once was, not current Apple) could boast that they were quirky FIRST!

[@N9TAX]

Every time I use a modern Mac I just get a feeling that this company just doesn't want to be in the PC business. But rather that they want to be in the ios device business. And that they only make the Mac today because some of their users demand a reasonable keyboard. There was a time when this wasn't true but it was the early intel days and Jobs was still alive. Just my .02

[@weok-doing-things]

windows copilot, windows remembering

[@isaac80745]

Sooner they will run games by porting many tools that are used for windows games and adding ray tracing. It might be robust but they have not gone the Microsoft route yet and you can still install some Unix packages to work around some Linux packages.

[@pweddy1]

They ported Mac OS to the iPhone and then locked it down. And now they make Macs that are just big iPhones with a different GUI.

[@krunkle5136]

MacOS is NextSTEP but turned into consumer focused bloatware. Sad.

[@puchinbold]

AppleScript still exists you can use it in your mac

[@RockwellAIM65]

I prefer BASH with a little glue code here and there.

[@finisirae5500]

In the 1990s I was a Mac user too and still own a G4 (PCI) running MacOS 8.6. That was the last Apple computer I bought, never liked the transition to MacOS X.

[@AlexandreLollini]

We understand how great things are when those are stolen from us.

[@cyberlizardcouk]

If we could run MacOS software on Linux with a translation layer I would be very happy.

[@Matt2010]

One game I loved playing on a Mac back in the 90s, late 90s. Was Harpoon 2 on Mac OS 7. Had to update it if One went Mac OS 8 9, and X with Harpoon 3 more updated from H2. .

[@k11stan]

not sure what he's taking about when it comes to longevity - I'm typing this on a 2015 MacBook Pro , with all original parts. It will likely last me another 2 years.

[@obineg5752]

give that a G4 is almost 3-4 times older, your argument fails. G4s already survived the G5s and the i9 macbooks, because they are all dead by now.

[@Pinhead650]

The old Mac didn't have a mouse right-click button. It was an abomination.

[@obineg5752]

nobody forces you to use apple mouses. 3 buttons or a standard wheel mouse works since 1995, only if you want 4 buttons you need a third party driver. i could not imagine to operate any OS without right-click and wheel, including OS9.

[@RockwellAIM65]

Funny, NeXT hardware had a second mouse button but it was only used... in emergencies! I joke... it was never used really except to pop the app menu up on the screen. They left the programmer outs so if you wanted to code up the right mouse-button you could but it was unusual.

[@willmakk]

God the Jonathan looked so f*cking cool.

[@KingKrouch]

Finder and the general UI for MacOS sucks now and is so essoteric for no good reason now too. Do people really think the UI is good, or do they just get used to it? I'd unironically get more use from a modern Mac system just to install a Apple Silicon compatible Linux distro on it. You gotta screw up big time to make GNOME seem less obtuse and braindead than Apple's UI decisions. The only real benefit to running MacOS nowadays is their video editing and music production tools. You should do a video about Windows sucking next. The fact they removed the vertical taskbar and killed the only great feature Windows 11 had going for it (Windows Subsystem for Android) has completely soured my opinion on it.

[@slaapliedje]

Finder is trash. You can't even properly manage files with it (like moving and deleting files without extra steps). You are right, when GNOME can do it better than a multi-trillion dollar company...

[@comradeuro4255]

“do people really think the UI is good, or they just get used to it?” could say the same thing to you about GNOME

[@KingKrouch]

@@comradeuro4255 I mean, yeah, GNOME has it's issues, but at least to me, you can at least use extensions to make it less painful to use. Compared to Windows where they will block system updates if you install software like StartAllBack to get a functional start menu back.

[@obineg5752]

the question is what "good" means for you. go compare the windows 10 explorer in dark theme mode with my MacOS9 with window monkey, default folder, open wide, drag-any-window and various other extensions and handle 50,000 files manually. on windows you cant even find where to click-drag the window because of its completely silly design and organisation. if you want to work fast on an 2024 OS you need to use scripting.

[@slaapliedje]

@@obineg5752 one thing that bugs me is the lack of good defaults on a system. Dolphin, for example, seems to search contents of files or metadata by default... I just want to search for the file name! It took me longer than it should to figure that out, and where to change it. Then you have Numlock... why is that off by default? Who uses the keypad for other stuff? Only time I ever have is for dungeon crawlers for old computers... Good defaults is usually what Gnome is somewhat good for. I really dislike MacOS's defaults. I am with Lunduke, you used to be able to theme MacOS X, and make it look awesome... it was one of the few reasons I wanted to play with it. But shortly after I got one to use for work, they took that away... Flavours is dead now because they changed the API it was using and the author gave up. Even getting other filesystem support is problematic. Last time I tried to install the driver for ext3/4, it would just crash the system... pay for a filesystem driver, and causes a kernel crash... just crappy experience overall if you want to actually USE your computer...

[@linho_77]

I didn't know Wil Wheaton hates macOS so much

[@replikvltyoutube3727]

The strategy of Suckiness (tm) has increased year to year apple sales, so I guess it works in a way.

[@halfsourlizard9319]

I mean, we still have TempleOS and EssenceOS for people who want to run ... unique things.

[@hgbugalou]

They are just making the Mac an iPhone.

[@mohammedgoder]

You can't a assign processor affinity to threads on macOS. That's why it sucks.

Give it three years, and Apple will introduce it as a revolutionary new feature

[@timothygibney159]

Or maximizing a simple window

[@buntomat]

Wasn't it Jobs' rescue of Apple that necessitated the changes? In the keynotes, new emojis now seem more important than anything else. It really sucks. I hate them because of Apple

[@LangleyNA]

It's interesting, I guess. I feel you speak about direction/production/vision changes. I like the current like 2010s-era Tim Cook-era _"huperson values"_ culture they have. It's a bit formulaic, but I like their huperson-centric language. There are always concerns. I feel inclined to agree with many things ya' say. But I won't wholesomely or even majorly invalidate a lot of what is being done because of how things were done in past.

[@Kyotohongaku]

For me, macs really died off after 2012. I did try their later models, even the latest, but yep, they sucked. So o moved to windows, since there's some kind of linux support now, so i get almost the best of two worlds for my work and entertainment. Three things i really miss a lot are the applescript, finder with a system-wide search, even inside files and the touchpad gestures. Windows laptops got great touchpads at last, but the multi-touch gestures are still subpar, so i have to resort to using a mouse

[@OverWilliam]

AutoHotkey is great. I've only scratched the surface of AppleScript, but you might find some helpful stuff in AHK if that's an itch you still have.

[@tibbydudeza]

Xcode also sucks

[@RockwellAIM65]

Yes it should be simple. And we need Palettes back in "IB," however IB is manifested now. Sheesh. If you have Palettes you basically can have Hypercard back in 5 minutes. I retrofitted a Hypercard like system for Interface Builder on Openstep it is not hard.

[@jtaraskus]

1:06:13 turning on my imac G3

[@plumahoplita]

bravo! Great video!

[@olafschluter706]

Looking at the Extensions and Control Panels slide, I guess a "Classic Macintosh System Software sucks" (and in fact it did, it did so hard that Apple desperately tried to come up with a successor to stay competitive, and OS/2, BeOS were considered, eventually it was NeXTStep then - MS had Window 2000 at that time, full preemptive Multitasking and unprecedented stability - and then there had been Linux for almost a decade) is appropriate. What I see in abundance is wasted screen real estate. We don't do GUIs this way anymore and that is a good thing.

[@pweddy1]

1987 PCs had Dos. Regular consumers didn’t get a reasonable version of Windows until Windows 95, but realistically Windows 98. Windows was barely usable with Windows 3.11 but that was fundamentally just a shell for DOS. And the DOS command line was a bad copy of CPM. Which was a crappy version of CSH masquerading as an operating system, without any of the actual benefits of UNIX.

[@Mbro-dq2do]

Yeah and it really sucks being able to text anyone I knoiw albeit Android or Iphone. Text and call them all right from any of my Macs and erven my 2012 Macs or my M1 Max. It really sucks not having to ever pick up my phone at home

[@AdrianPenalo]

I was thinking this same thing the other day!