Paragon Boards in the Diablo 4 Expansion | You May Never Reach a Perfect Setup...

[@Not____Applicable]

I followed builds in like the first season but now I just make my own and trial and error it. This game isn’t like PoE where if you really make a huge mistake your whole build is cooked but I do appreciate the insight yall provide. That being said, this info will come clutch as I try my hand at the new class. Can’t wait to come up with something before every single creator and their grandma has “best build that will one shot” or some other nonsensical thumbnail lol

[@bartshearouse3008]

I really appreciate all the time and effort you put into all this. I understand about the efficiency and all and thank you for all your work. Can't wait till the 8th.

[@beingbeyonddat]

Thanks for putting this one out more than 2 weeks before patch, because I am gonna have to re-watch it a couple of times to get into it.

[@gilot19]

Love learning the thoughts behind min maxing for efficiency

[@josephjanecka5080]

I work on paragon a lot. Your explanation in S6 format will greatly help my journey. Good job!

[@kevinmann2154]

Macro is a ventriloquist, I knew it , 1st minute of video proves it.

[@MacroBioBoi]

XD

[@cleebe6905]

Great explaining and theorycrafting effort, but way too convoluted for the average player. Thank God build guides exist. Thanks for the information and keep up the good work.

[@rockygillman6404]

This is basically an arcade game. If the average player cannot figure out something so simple then Idk what they're doing with their lives.

[@robertvalenta422]

100% agree with you!! I will absolutely hate it...

[@spenserroxsox]

Can we get rid of "damage to injured" and replace it with "damage to enemies afflicted with a status ailment" or something please? Also maybe it's time to get rid of some of the rules we made up for our old paragon boards.

[@MrJjRyBritt]

No dmg to injured is good for PvP

[@douglasduda9826]

Yea, even when i first saw the paragon boards I thought...why can't we get the little Nodes as like glyph drops and put all int or dex if we want...and where are the slots for charms!.... I got a million awesome ideas...

[@naj7969]

@@MrJjRyBritt lol pvp

[@jeremyparris6121]

​@@MrJjRyBritt also for pit bosses. I can't tell you how many times I've been merked right at the end of their health bar.

[@EnricoBorelli-s2g]

I have always implemented these assessments in determining the best paragon path . happy it will have more relevance with the dlc

[@kurtnordli1381]

I'll be straight up with you..... I kinda wish that if there is going to be a limit on how many paragon boards we can have a wish blizzard would allow us to have 6 just for the whole fact that 1 more board allows for so much more build diversity.

[@LittleRadicalThinker]

If blizzard makes the board more interesting, it will be even more build diversity. It’s like all about glyphs now, no one even mentions legendary nodes.

[@Orthus100]

They said the number could change, and I dearly hope it does.

[@Mesoz]

Would it really add more build diversity? The boards are just damage multipliers, and some dmg reduction. It would allow some builds to be even stronger, but as far as diversity goes, that would require them actually doing a full rework and redesign on the boards and actually making them interesting and choice meaning something.

[@Orthus100]

@@Mesoz Less worried about board diversity than just filling up a few boards with the tiniest of stat increases.

[@Mesoz]

@@Orthus100 well between uncapped and capped is either grabbing as many boards for glyphs or grabbing as many nodes for stats, neither are very compelling or interesting lol.

[@MastaHabi]

great video as always, thanks! i hope the other classes' creators will put that effort into min-maxing aswell and as a last thing: we absolutely need a paragon respec mode ingame with high lvls of freedom doing stuff and only when clicking "finish" the board needs to be valid. or this min-maxing will take ages 🙈

[@saverx1775]

Almost wish you would get multiplier stat buffs for hitting base stat requirements, 300 dex gets you 5% crit chance, 300 int gives you 20% vulnerable damage 300 willpower give you 3% life. Or just something other than +5 stat per paragon tile maybe just have fewer paragon tiles but make them all worth picking up.

[@douglasduda9826]

This was my idea to spice up the Paragons of d3...say at 100 paragon lvl you geta "lesser" extra power and at 500 you get a greater...ect.

[@dredgendorchadas6770]

I would rather there be more interesting modes of travel. Why aren't there any shorter paths that take you to odd spots? I do agree, though, that there needs to be more interesting nodes throughout the board.

[@douglasduda9826]

@@dredgendorchadas6770 Yea the problem in s5 is basically if ur not running the Uber meta build you can't do everything well in endgame... Id like to be able to make my own build and do Alright...at least.

[@saverx1775]

@@dredgendorchadas6770 heck even if some of them were like 2% chance to freeze targets or like on hit chance to spawn a moving hydra. Maybe something to spice up the game.

[@JerBuster77]

I dont even bother with paragon boards lol. I just wait for the hardcore guys like Macro here to come out with the builds.

[@LittleRadicalThinker]

Macro is Necro hardcore only.

[@kylekilgore291]

What a horrible way to play. Just give someone else the controller lol

[@EldenLord84]

Ditto. I was on the PTR and made a build with the new boards myself because the guides weren’t updated for the new boards. I found zero joy in it. Give me the best board and I’ll follow along. 😂

[@jsak83-ro2cf]

Letting someone else figure out the boards is the only way to play, not just the best. The game is about killing and finding loot, not sifting through boards and nodes. I put the paragon board deciphering right up there with trips to town salvaging and comparing convoluted aspects as a colossal waste of time. Edit* And for those that say “just hand over your controller,” I hope you don’t trade for mats or gear. I argue that is equivalent to handing over your controller. The game is about grind. Paying gold for mats or gear is just as AFK as looking up a paragon board. Both things save time to get us back to doing what the game is about, slaying and loot drops.

[@EldenLord84]

⁠​​⁠Yeah I don’t understand the argument. If you spend 10-20 hours per season racking your brain on paragon boards and I spend 5 minutes following a guide, who had more fun playing the game? Not to mention the paragon board Macro comes up with is definitely going to be stronger than some snowflake unicorn build some rando comes up with. So I save time, have more fun AND end up being more powerful. It’s a no brainer.

[@beakee]

My puny mind boggles. Thank you for all this hard work every season!

[@tasandmnm69]

Every time I watch something about the new paragon/glyph system I like it less and less. They really watered down the whole system and just made it grindy and less fun overall. I just don't think gating things we used to get behind a grind is fun... like paragon/glyphs and making ancestrals drop once every few Tormented boss runs. If you hated tempering rng already, imagine grinding 10-20 hours for 1 usable Ancestral and bricking it. Fun stuff

[@ashen5027]

great explanation, now i want to dive into parangons board theorycraft!

[@butteryhandle]

Breadth of knowledge as usual 🙏💛

[@barbupanaitescu8508]

That gave me a headache and now I must lie down 😂. Another reason I so appreciate theory crafters!

[@metalskelly]

I was really hoping the paragon would be restructured into a normal tree or something similar, I know the expansion paragon is “simpler” than the current version but I just hate this stupid paragon screen and it’s layout so much, it’s been my least favorite part of the game since launch.

[@narcoleptic988]

It is what it is. Use it to the best of capability

[@arbitrage2141]

Yea its like I actually have to use my brain 😭

[@Acaran]

You could definitelly write an algorithm where you put in your required nodes and it will generate the most efficient path to take.

[@pitecusH]

With the advent of the xpac, I was really hoping for a paragon board simplification. Using amazing build guides that you and your "colleagues" put together was simple and efficient, and transitioning from one build to another (or a different stage version of the same build) was already largely hindered by having to rearrange up to 225 points at the max level. Not gonna lie, it was a pain, and by far the worst part of following a guide. (Through no fault of the guide, clicking 225 times in a specific pattern is a pain in the ass.) Instead, we got about a hundred more points, and now, even the efficiency hunt. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I was hoping for fewer paragon points actually, but in a way that it *feels* more significant. Sure, the new glyphs can scale to hell and back, but they requite a ton of investment. Untill you get them and get them levels up, you feel practically nothing. Also, like you pointed out, you get 0.16% extra benefit from a main stat node, which is hardly tangible. (In the style of "I gained a paragon level, let's see how much power I gain." - which is going to be next to nothing, unless you happen to land on a glyph socket you haven't had access to before. (So roughly 5 point out of the ~300.) Kinda makes me feel like the average gamer dad with 3 jobs and 15 kids is never going to reach efficiency without outside help. Hell, I'll be honest, I can't find two fucks to give to invest all the time and effort that *you* kindly do for us.

[@douglasduda9826]

I think this is simplified, but to AGAIN MIN/MAX its going to be worse.

[@Xparkman30]

They need to kill the paragon board and give us an actual skill tree with real options and passives that actually matter.

[@porchapa13b]

Less boards and more points. Made a mess. 1 forward 2 backwards.

[@Ancaruin]

I bet they will increase max board limit next year with the new expansion, plus 100 paragon points :p

[@floppy31145]

@@Ancaruin apple mentality lmao

[@Ancaruin]

@@floppy31145 It is logical though, for each expansion. Plus 10 levels (skill points)

[@mathewbenford2981]

this vid made me sub. this was great wish you were a barb player thanks Mac

[@GrandmaJesus]

the fact i get bored or even a headache listening to some "important" shit in life but not THIS, like im even leaned in doing a jack nicholson smile nod, is just insane lol. you said "you might not understand this" but im over here like "YEEEEEEEEEES tell me more!!!"

[@Deceit-hx7ey]

the fact that you're "willingly" opting in to listen to this, and not listen because you are forced to.

[@jerestay]

Saving us from the new prime evil, Lord of Obsessive Optimization. Thanks!

[@LiborStebel-sh5bz]

Hi man ,i already made topic in forum ,when almoust every comment hate this .this limited will limiting you from having a unique board. they should give us cap 5 glyph and let people create the rest .paragon cap was never the original intention of this mechanic . you have to collect all the rare notes even if you don't have the build for it, it's terrible. They have to change it. thanks for the video

[@kayaltamira]

As someone that plays RPGs for build-making, paragon used to be the most exciting part of the game for me and to be honest, I am still quite upset with the changes, I just wished the devs would give us at least another board and more difficulty for those wanting to min-max. I used to play 3-4 necro builds a season, but since the nerfs to minions and darkness builds I switched to playing more classes instead. S5 was very good, I was able to min-max 4 toons with the infernal hordes and I had a ton of fun building my chars. However, prepping my builds for S6 has been a bit overwhelming. As you have cleverly mentioned, it is about efficiency now, not puzzling and maybe there is something to it, I feel like about 86 points (depending on build and renown bonuses) are a waste unless is core stat. But maybe there is still hope in ‘paragaming’ now that I watched your video, thanks so much for keep making great content. I feel slightly more motivated to run numbers again and I am left inspired. I still want another board though, and difficulty tiers only available to fully developed characters.

[@NeroHeresy]

Great vid dude!

[@XIIILostSoul]

Appreciate the insight and ideas for how to tackle the new paragon set up

[@roshunepp]

I appreciate your sacrifice!

[@flowqi212]

I'm pretty sure Blizzard changed the main stat scaling from 10/9/8 points per %damge to 5/4.5/4 to exactly get this new balance between main stat and additive damage, ... although this partially messed up the stat squish. On the other hand your multiplicative bucket (aspects, leg. nodes, passives etc.) is still completely out of control, giving you way more damage than anything else -_-

[@madeindade4168]

I got 7 boards with 6 glyphs after it all made sense and once I get the glyphs ranked up to 15 and 21 it will be even more efficient. I watched your video and someone else and burned the entire Tree like Elden Ring lol

[@Orthus100]

Nothing makes me feel smarter than noticing an efficiency right before Mac does.

[@skyknight1281]

Of all the issues with this game, I despise the paragon board the most.

[@becausecontextmatters5260]

Same, ever since the launch this has been my biggest disappointment Personally i think this needs to be completely reworked.

[@Xparkman30]

They need to drop the paragon board and just make the skill tree actually a skill tree and make gear more like D2. The rune word system they are giving us is going to be so bad no one's going to use it aside from maybe 1 or 2 of the combos and everything else is just going to be trashed.

[@0gnomer]

I'm glad they capped these boards to 5, it will force more diversity and thought process...over mindless multiplier grabs... don't get me wrong, it was tough scaling back from 7 to 5 boards...but glad I'm done and divorced from high quantity boards also, for lucky hit builds...remember, intelligence boosts skill damage...not sure about andys poison, for example...so those are a bit more complex on how to balance for damage optimization cheers

[@MacroBioBoi]

This specifically reduces the thought that's goes into your boards. You actually just max every glyph, pick every rare and legendary nodes and then still have 50-80 points to put into main stat. Zero diversity or differences between two people's boards.

[@0gnomer]

@@MacroBioBoi hmm two opposing chains of thought, well we shall see what kind of configs people come up with come launch...the decider being, board diversity in end-game

[@msl2356]

I play eternal and after the PTR stopped playing because there was no point. So I created new character and started to play seasonal. After 3 hours... I got so bored I coudn't play anymore. I decided not to play Diablo IV until season 6... Mean while I played Path of Exile for the first time (to kill time)... WOW! . . . . . . . . I will wait for Diablo season 6

[@alessioleporati1478]

The game actually has somewhat of an endgame now. Paragon and glyphs are now an actual endgame system as they were intended to be before. Before paragon and glyphs were merely a one and done late game system. Now Paragon boards will look different for each class and the boards and glyphs we select will actually matter and have weight to them. The vast majority of our endgame scaling will be derived from the paragon system.

[@ntgreat5]

Wow I had no idea. I just started playing this series an started on 4 lol. Just now beat the first campaign. I was just filling the paragon board even on both sides 🤦🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@123darkdeal]

Now combine this knowledge with the glyphs that buff board nodes, like Headhunter.

[@BootlegPt]

I cant find anywhere information on caps. I haven't played for the last 2 seasons and the game is wildly different now. What is the armor cap for season 6 ? What is the Size cap on abilities? Block dodge caps? i know that cd is caped at 75% i also know that attack speed has some weird caps with 2 different categories but are any of those things changing? Does movement speed also work like how attack speed works? Its so frustrating to not have that important information available

[@____GoMeZ____]

I'd put money down on Paragon not staying the way it was in PTR. I bet they'll continue to refine this system as time goes on, and I even bet it'll look completely different by the time the next exp drops

[@MacroBioBoi]

hopefully

[@____GoMeZ____]

@@MacroBioBoi I too am not entirely pleased with its PTR state, as it's not really an improvement over previous seasons, but more of a sidestep. It is a difficult challenge for the devs to navigate as far as keeping it a simple system for new players while also being rewarding for those who min/max. I have a question for those who think its a bad system. What would they rather see? How would they navigate an end game system that is both simple to understand, yet complex enough to separate those who invest time into it? Would you rather they start over from scratch with a completely different system?

[@tasandmnm69]

​@@____GoMeZ____ I think the system they had was fine and they should have just refined it by redoing some of the legendary nodes/rare nodes/and glyphs. This is something the community was not screaming for a complete overhaul of and just seems like they should have put their time into refining it and honestly fixing the TONS of bugs and bugged gear/talent/paragon interactions instead.

[@gregorm9559]

@@tasandmnm69Disappointed by the fact that I can only give this comment a single thumbs up.

[@Orthus100]

​@@tasandmnm69 The split between talent levels and paragon I totally get, it helps enforce their idea of endgame that we don't subscribe to, but the cap on boards definitely does some ungodly things to the logic. Seems like they could have skipped the glyph rework, only added a few or no paragon points, and saved a lot of headaches. I guess we'll see how it shakes out in a few weeks.

[@RichieDagger1977]

As I was watching you do the first path change, I asked myself "why isn't he pathing out of the exit with all the Int nodes?" 30 seconds later....

[@VirusTechKEKW]

I wonder how the Maxroll guides in the paragon board section will work now. I hope there will be some changes to make it a little more explanatory because it seems things are getting complicated in this season.. more points.. where to put the points.. which to rush with the current point and where to put the new ones etc.. That being said, I really can't wait for them to scrap the paragon boards completely and come up with something else. I hate paragon boards.

[@Infernadragogaming]

Will bone spirit still be really good next season like it is now since it’s the best necro build right now will it be the same next season?

[@MacroBioBoi]

Yep

[@GilgameshGDLK]

"POE has this MIT level skill tree-neuron board" "Hey we can do that in D4 and scare away people more easily"

[@Illumian84]

This is madness. Also what does having an OverPower build to to this, because you want Int for scaling, but also Wis to scale OP. Does Wis just also become "free"?

[@Orthus100]

Wis-OP is additive, so it'd be treated as such. Also, OP damage is absolutely absurd right now because of HP scaling, i.e. having 20x max life vs base life, so it becomes even tinier.

[@dfillio8993]

I don’t see myself playing as long as I’ve played in previous seasons with how terrible the new loot system is. Locking masterworking and tempering behind getting all ancestral gear with how abysmally low the ancestral drops were on the ptr just doesn’t sound fun and feels like it’s going to take 20x longer to get halfway decent gear I’ll probly play for 2 weeks and then never touch the game till s7 or until they make changes

[@MacroBioBoi]

as a quick note: You can Temper 1 and Masterwork 4 on non-ancestral gear. It's not locked to Ancestral, it's just stronger on ancestral.

[@tasandmnm69]

I also dislike the gear drop situation, Masterworking situation, and most of all the paragon and glyph situation. Rune words are a big fail for me as well since they just turned them into ANOTHER multiplier with 2 of them way outclassing everything else except in very niche situations. Putting stuff we used to get behind a huge grind is not fun or interesting, they could have done so much better than this.

[@ferrite1707]

They're likely to increase Ancestral drops but nobody knows how much. Until then, I plan on running Hordes and always hitting the chest that guarantees a GA(unless Blizz is planning on nerfing that).

[@tasandmnm69]

@@ferrite1707 I have been telling everyone if they think that Hordes are going to continue to give drastically more gear/mats/gold than every other endgame activity line in S5 they are in for a rude awakening. With all the new content and a new seasonal mechanic it would make zero sense for them to let hordes continue to be at least 10x more rewarding than any other content. They really need to work on making all end game content as close to equally rewarding as possible, I've always thought that you should be able to get mats/glyph exp/etc from all content but certain content is slightly more rewarding for a certain thing so you can maximize your effort if you just need say glyph exp.

[@dfillio8993]

@@MacroBioBoi it’s nerfed on non ancestral which is what I meant it’s a stupid design and serves no purpose other than forcibly slowing down player progression which is why everyone hated it on the ptr. Ancestral items are already better they’re 50+ Ip and have GAs no reason regular legendarys can’t have 2 tempers and be fully masterworked.

[@nicholaspontillo5554]

I’m running the Maxroll blight build and I’ve incorporated the cursed aura aspect which puts me in a unique position to remove decrepify from the skill bar. I’m torn as to what to use. Currently I have reap along with the aspect on my pants that gives 20 DR with basic skills. I also have the modifier which increases attack speed by 30 percent so when I’m clearing I have 35 free DR along with 100 percent attack speed and 200 movement speed with the ranks to reapers pursuit when I’m in combat. When I am not in combat I lose 40 percent movement speed and I can’t consistently hit 100 attack speed if I am fighting a boss without ads per the stipulation of the reap modifier. This allows me to run gloves with a non GA on attack speed. Is this just completely silly and unviable? Could I be benefiting from a much better aspect in place of the DR boost? Would I benefit from a different basic skill or altogether different skill in place of decrepify? Sorry if this is too niche of a question

[@baneblade_0]

Boards were super fun to tinker, now they are going into a blunder to remove that fun away

[@RottenSteve]

As a D4 player with 7 kids. Thank you.

[@aleksandrudovichenko9945]

Good day. I made myself a Necromancer Bug Mist 2.0, It turned out great, I closed all the content in the game. In the PVP zone, he killed about 40 players, 4 ears fell from the same player. tell me about this build in season 6, please

[@Winterhe4rt]

I expect them lower the glyph bonuses no matter what, so its likely that they also increase the bord count to 6. At least thats what they SHOULD do imo.

[@douglasduda9826]

Nope they went to 5 max boards...the Glyphs and all the nodes they can touch are your #1 priority now along with getting glyphs to 100 or as high as u can. Nothing will outperform those when you start. What he is showing is AFTER All that!

[@Winterhe4rt]

@@douglasduda9826 So you already know upcoming patch notes? that's impressive...

[@douglasduda9826]

@@Winterhe4rt I doubt they are going to change from 5 pages. It was part of PTR. They are moving away from the current way it works...duh. Maxing at 5 is part of the way they are doing it.

[@douglasduda9826]

I guess your a console player since you have No Idea how PTR usually works. They don't deviate a TON from how things are in ptr but they tweak stuff. Usually numbers and stats of things and fix bugs. MOST stuff ATM that has changed in PTR will go LIVE.

[@Winterhe4rt]

@@douglasduda9826 Those glyph bonuses WILL change drastically. The remark to a 6th board was a note to what SHOULD be done to not make it such a clown fiesta system. I guess your first language isn't english, else you would have read that from my original comment, which is understandable.

[@PatrickSandy78]

Rumor has it you are a redeemer of darkness.

[@lunasilencia7185]

Another banger of a video keep up the great work

[@mackdog3270]

I'm all for progress and improvement, but this is incredibly irritating. I've finally gotten pretty decent at making paragon trees for all the classes (except rogue, because I don't like them). Now they completely change everything around instead of building on previous success. I'm going to check it out because I bought it but I'm not excited about learning to play all over again.

[@Orion3T]

It's not going to be all that different. In this example Macro swapped a few points around and got less than 1% extra DPS. Not nothing, but also not important. This is really late endgame stuff. Either forget about it and just do what works best at the time for immediate gains, or make a final plan and just do that from the start. The difference in levelling efficiency vs time taken to keep rejigging board will be minimal. The new system will make getting a board that's at least 90% efficient will be much easier for most players.

[@pennypunch]

ok, now more then ever we need an armory! I need to be able to swap between saved builds if paragons are going to get even more complicated!

[@MuppetChops]

Is the solution not to run with a les efficient board short term until you level enough to the target board setup you want? Or use one of those reset scrolls?

[@Orion3T]

I think you have 2 options, provided you accept we are talking about fairly minimal gains in either case. 1. Plan your final board with 300 paragon and just follow that from the start. You will get some of the better nodes later (potentially quite a lot later) but this will save you having to redo your paragons if you hate doing that. 2. Follow the shortest path for immediate gains and accept that if you want to optimise you will need to redo them at some point at least once, probably twice, maybe 3 times depending how much it bothers you being sub-optimal vs reworking your boards. The 1st is a terrible strategy for anyone not sure they will even reach much above paragon 225-250 as you might as well take the power now, you would never need to do any of this and even if you did the gain would be small. However if you know you are going to blast to 300, your levelling strategy won't benefit from the extra damage (e.g. you are 1 shotting everything anyway), and you hate redoing paragon boards, option 1 might be worth considering. But probably not for most players & board setups. For most players I expect the best idea is to do option 2 and decide how many times and at what level you are willing to re-optimise, if at all. Personally if I get that high I would go for something like 265 and again close to 300.

[@jamesdocherty5943]

I almost always build my own paragon boards, and enjoy puzzles. Really sad to see this change for paragon boards. I feel like blizzard should have created at least 3 new paragon boards for each class to cater for the extra paragon points. Instead we get less boards??? The board cap feels absolutely horrible, Seems like a missed opportunity to greatly increase build diversity. And also make paragon building fun, in the sense that being really efficient can reward you massively rather than the reward being +5 main stat.

[@MrMark28]

Very very well explained! :)

[@JackOfHearts42]

Stacking core stat is pissing me off. I'm very unimpressed with the direction of that game design priority. If we could get 1/2 the damage bonus I think it would make other choices feel more significant.

[@Icy_Sparks]

optimization nightmare? maybe. but to me, this looks so streamlined. Streamlined as in: it's easy to make small mistakes by taking suboptimal paths, these mistakes won't add up to an insane loss in DPS though or am I missing something here? I think the focus of the boards should have been the legendary nodes and glyphs from the start and with these changes we get closer to that.

[@Orion3T]

You're not missing anything, the difference will be extremely minimal. Yes making absolute best use of every single point might take some work but the difference between that and a board built as you go along will not be game changing. These changes in the video gave like 1% more DPS. Not nothing if you're a dedicated minmaxer, but virtually nothing for most players.

[@HeathenWolfman]

Hey man can you make a bone spear necro using lidless, deathless visage, and the Trag'Oul boots? I'm struggling.

[@MacroBioBoi]

You're struggling because bone spear is not particularly powerful, Lidless wall reduces your damage output and trag oul + bone prison is not a particularly powerful addition to the build. Right now only deathless visage's explosions really scale.

[@domnicneo3891]

Will the minion build be different? I seen no minions board is used here since its for end game Sever built correct? Thank you

[@MacroBioBoi]

No

[@LittleRadicalThinker]

It’s time to drop back to 200 paragon levels.

[@kengraham69]

I would’ve never guessed my applied mathematics degree would be useful for playing video games effectively…. Take that dad. 😂

[@MacroBioBoi]

Get'em!

[@mattrumbattrum9952]

My blight necro build ticks for 250mill and my life regen a sec is 100k. Simplest build I ever made.

[@kf7137]

It doesn't seem so horrible. You maximize boards once, using one type of pathing, and then when you have enough points you do it again with another kind. It's only really really insuferable if you absolutely feel the need to be maximized at every single point along the path. And I think you could spend your time better at that point anyway.

[@Orion3T]

You are absolutely correct, lots of major overreactions to this change. The purpose seems to have been to make it easier to produce a decent board of 200-250 points and make it so not every board is just trying to get as many boards as possible using nearly all of them in the process. By restricting the number chosen to 4 there will actually be more variety in which boards are used depending on the character's other gear, skills etc.

[@whereswaldo6396]

These paragon nodes need to not be just adds x type of damage or fury/energy/mana on kill. They need to do something actually interesting. Like adds 1 projectile to all ranged attacks or idk makes a melee attack chain to 1 enemy who knows. Could be axtually interesting if they didnt just add damage

[@fgabriel26]

Wouldn't feeding the legendary glyph be better at some point?

[@yukfootoo9334]

I would much rather see them implement Specializations and Sub Classes than all this paragon board BS.

[@fudd3r91]

Your discord link doesn't work.

[@siriusghosttv]

Why is a 6th board and glyph not an option in this scenario?

[@MacroBioBoi]

They maxed the boards at 5

[@ThijsSchrijnemakers]

that looks like.. well, I'll just copy Maxroll paragon boards, yup

[@anthonyvo3412]

Are boards now account wide? AKA Alt one has 200 points, Alt two as soon as it hit 60 will have 200 points as well?

[@TheRockemsockm]

Yes, if you get max paragon on your main then your alt will have it to start.

[@anthonyvo3412]

@@TheRockemsockm THANK YOU!!! is this the same for the new renown grind (+ I assume new lilith idols)? If I only get the +4 will that apply on my alts or so I need to ALL the renown points.

[@RunAroundGuy2]

Will this point economy situation still apply if devs change the main stat effectiveness?

[@MacroBioBoi]

nope, it's always a question of "which one is worth more"

[@dustinwagner5902]

I thought we were limited to 5 glyphs but as many boards?

[@MacroBioBoi]

5 boards.

[@MusaOsmanKaratosun]

This detail is at math-class level. I have to rewatch and take notes. Can someone explain for non-english speakers in 5 basic sentenses? More main stat is worse?

[@MacroBioBoi]

Get every additive damage stat, then get efficientmain stat nodes .

[@Orion3T]

Early on you want to prioritise your glyphs, glyph unlocking/enhancing nodes & legendary nodes so you path as short as possible to get those early. Later on around 200-250+ you have all that covered, so you pick up additive damage and finally main stat. As you are then picking up main stat anyway, beyond those needed to path to more important nodes, you can take longer paths if they contain more mainstat as you would want those anyway. For example instead of taking a 4 node path containing 1 mainstat node and putting a 5th point in another mainstat elsewhere, you would swap to a 5 node path which has 3 mainstat. Both options use 5 points, the 1st option gives 2 mainstat but the 2nd option gives 3. All that said this is very nitpicky and none of it is game changing, for most people and not worth the time to do more than once or twice, 3 at the absolute most at paragon intervals of 25-50 (so 250 & 300, or 250, 275 & 300).

[@justdust9089]

yeah great tips for s6 paragon pathing.

[@AllstarGamingDK]

You are my favorit Wizard, your only flaw is you are playing Necro :D

[@hughwood5881]

Have you tried it looked into utilising machine learning and or Generative AI to look into building boards? Just as an experiment really. I would love to what sort of questions we could ask. While the knee jerk reaction would be it takes the fun out of it, you could also do crazy board ideas as well. Maximise thorns, maximise shadow over time, maximise physical crit, maximise pure intelligence.... I was thinking of using an Ant based algorithm where certain nodes are "tastier" and optimise board roots utilising "pheromone trails" of paths with the tastiest routes. I feel like doing this even more given the insane amount of combinations that are available now

[@TheBarbarianGamer]

If you did, many would thank you. I forsee min-maxers going mad, otherwise. And of course Paragon Boards (and builds) could change between now and launch, launch and the next balance patch, etc etc.

[@hughwood5881]

@@TheBarbarianGamer interesting I'll go take a look to see if I can get the data, that is the hardest part of this the code to auto path is very simple

[@jays4834]

What they did to the paragon is horrendous

[@okkomp]

Nice path of building in excel...

[@piranime]

I didnt bother with the paragon board. Did someone saw the Necro CEO without mustache daaam.

[@Anedime]

I have point? I click node. Simple as.

[@Philinnor]

I need help uninstalling D4 please make a tutorial ;).

[@animesagaxxx6738]

5 + 1 boards but glyphs to max. 75 or 50 lvl because 100 to much × and % damage

[@vpena]

I wonder if the extra main stat in the board will make the main stat we have in gear not worth taking.

[@MacroBioBoi]

That's definitely an important part of the equation

[@grimtrix]

I think I will just copy the board... That is way too much for me to do.

[@skelious]

That was awesome ty,

[@onyxcitadel9759]

if i was smarter.. which i'm not..i would prolly run this thru some a.i to exact the most "efficient" routing... isn't that how they do things with silicon chips and such?..

[@smurphy55656]

This is a point of min maxing that will just make people loose interest in the system

[@hellbentcentaur]

Cheers dude

[@cclark2021]

"Min max nightmare." Soooo there might be more build diversity....?

[@MacroBioBoi]

Build diversity doesn't normally mean a 5-20% difference in damage output between people based on their expertise. Diversity tends to refer to gameplay style, skill use or itemization differences.

[@cclark2021]

@@MacroBioBoi agreed, there could be a healing/leech effect, or multiple different types of CC, or differences in toughness etc. etc..... Point is, within a new paragon board setup, there is potential for more build diversity. More than a 5-20% dps difference.

[@momobhc]

Main stat good, but dex is also good. High dodge chance combined with the dodge aspects on armor gives you so much survivability. I have a no uniques incinerate sorc with 85% dodge, where I can win probably 4 out of 5 pvp fights.

[@thomasjaroscha7701]

I dont agree at all. You spent too much thinking how to get 0.00x% damage in a game where at this point everything will be sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo easy. You will be oneshotting bosses, doing easy pit 100 etc. Even the time spent to redo the boards is probably a waste of time, since you can spent that time just farming.

[@MacroBioBoi]

You don't agree that you should make a competent build in a game about making builds?

[@andreychetvertakov4574]

Honestly, how does paragons even make sense? Why design a system that does not engage with casuals, not enjoyable to min-max. People already end up copying it from a guide such as this.

[@Orion3T]

For casuals it's easy - pick the boards with legendary or rare nodes you like, stick in a glyph that benefits you and works with the nodes around it. Saying it's not enjoyable to minmax is subjective, it is certainly requiring some thought and planning and there are a lot of interactions with other aspects of your character. I'd actually say it's pretty good compromise. If it were simpler like D3 just giving raw stats it would definitely be worse, if it were much more complex it would become inaccessible. The main issue is it's a hassle if you need to make any changes bigger than swapping a node here or there as you have to reset pretty much all of it. It needs a respec mode the same as the skill tree. Or does it have one now? I forgot, not played for a few weeks. And a way to save boards (Armory or whatever).

[@pabloschmidt7327]

Honest Con: The worst thing about Diablo 4 is It makes you want to play Diablo3.

[@DenisTRUFFAUT]

I dislike Paragon boards and Skill trees. These representations are too limited.

[@wallele3910]

Its going to cost 10 million to refund points now😂