Made for This Nerfs, Trickster Buffs and More - Dead by Daylight

Patch notes: t.co/LqpAZR45C3
/ scottjund

[@bjorksnase]

Trickster actually didn't have recoil removed he had random spread removed, meaning not only did screen arch up (which is the recoil) it also randomly spread with a cone that increased with throw speed so you could account for ~6 factors and just miss because the knife arched 5 degrees in a different direction

[@keltonschleyer6367]

If this is correct, I am in favor of the change. Recoil is a skill mechanic but random bullet spread is not.

[@ScottJund]

ah yeah thats what i was thinking of, thank you

[@josephwinn7351]

That recoil so bad on console we have to aim and deal with the recoil at the same time

[@Mickeymouse7727]

Yep I agree with every comment on this little thread. His design was so stupid

[@zettaeliza2043]

Yeah i was wondering about that, i just thought i was crazy for the longest time 💀

[@SilverW01f]

I have to say, I'm super happy with the Otz OS Upgrade they made a few patches ago. Lots of great changes there!

[@Razzbow]

The WHAT

[@maxomega3]

@@Razzbow check the list of past patches on the left

[@Gasbs]

fuck, I know Scott and still fell for this

[@DestinyNeoGirl]

@@maxomega3OMG, I busted out laughing. I cannot believe they named their update after Otz, lol

[@maxomega3]

oh no i hate to ruin your fun but scott put that there, not behavior. He just used inspect element on the webpage @@DestinyNeoGirl

[@rio24imu7]

Cant believe I missed the Otz upgrade they did a couple months back, but I guess that means it's doing its job! Excited to see the future of what they do with him.

[@StoneKnight1]

what that is anwyay?

[@C0urne]

Badge for long range hatchet hits with the Huntress and a badge for basement kills with Bubba.

[@Sydlxia]

Too many people are arguing that tricksters recoil “added skill” when all it did was make the killer inaccessible for controller players considering random recoil can’t be predicted just micro adjusted and micro adjustment is infamously hard on controller

[@adi_baa]

Main event changing is actually bigger than you think. I play a lot of trickster and I will say main event is pretty bad at most tiles. It immediately slows you to the slowest move speed while throwing knives, so if the survivor you're facing is even semi competent they will hug the rock or the wall or whatever and you are literally a useless arm flailing Korean until you press control. So I think its gonna be a lot more useful now

[@ScottJund]

im not sure how i undersold it. main event is going to be insanely strong, maybe too much so

[@Liam-mv9zi]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@ScottJundyou didn’t 😱 and 🤯 and 😯 and 😨, you undersold it af

[@JackBytez]

In earnest you'll just have more times where you'll purposefully pass it up cause it still sucks you'll just have it more often now to make the rare edge cases more useful.

[@dusty0559]

I'm worried about the camping potential with it. You hit someone running towards the hook with 4 knives and have main event before they manage to unhook. Will be pretty dangerous.

[@HoneyDog]

​@@dusty0559Trickster already basically downed for free if they caught you going towards a hook, or unhooking. Not much changes there

[@foomongus2935]

you can tell scott doesnt ever play trickster when he says there is almost no recoil

[@ScottJund]

you can also tell by the fact i never play trickster

[@deathmetalhellokitty9724]

Well can you blame him ? Trickster just spams knives lol sure it's kindacool but should be more skill based.

[@WyattOShea]

I barely even notice the recoil at all when I play him lol. Maybe it's because I play on pc so it's just insanely easy to counter it?.

[@deathmetalhellokitty9724]

@Tone_Of_Dials only if I have Taco bell. Also wtf is a regurgitate machine lmao sounds like one of Jigsaws Traps .

[@revolveswayyy]

You should see the recoil on console, can't wait for it to be gone. P100 Trickster main :)

[@cronin5488]

what about lessening the deep wound visual impairment as an additional part of made for this? I feel like that would make it perfect, since you would be able to use it more effectively, and it also fits the theme of the perk itself.

[@scrapinator8898]

Good idea

[@maxomega3]

i wish they would just make that base kit; i hate being half blind just bc a killer wanted to tunnel me off hook

[@GangsterGreg]

Yeah, that's a great idea.

[@Xarenth]

Agree. IMO no "pure" visibility options should be tied to perks. FOV slider when pls@@maxomega3

[@GoodlyData86596]

@@maxomega3deep wound basically does nothing to survivors even though it’s supposed to be a injured state that leaves survivors at death’s door, or in this case “down’s door”, yet it still does fuck and all as a debuff other than the one buff it got of disabling endurance to prevent endurance stacking to the point of nigh invulnerability. So no, your “can’t play killer without shadow born” weak sauce eye having ass will not be pandered too because information (as in what you know about the current state of the match.) is an important part of balancing the game, survivors are made more on par with killer because they have more information readily available to them because of their third person perspective. So deep wounds impairing that makes it that much more useful for killers to inflict, even if it isn’t by a lot in the grand scheme of things *every singular god damn advantage counts* for the role that has to do everything by themselves.

[@Kro-RissaVirus]

Honestly Trickster sounds super fun to play now! Recoil wasn’t horrendous but as a console player if felt pretty hard to control while mid chase. Looking forward to playing around with him once this update drops.

[@Lonewurld]

hy bro me too!!😭

[@samuelgoforth1188]

Dont worry, the buff wont last long. Last time he got a rediculous buff he could down an entire team in 5 seconds and he got very quickly nerfed after that

[@Damien-ms8nt]

console had next to no recoil in comparison to PC.

[@gabrote42]

Recoil was not removed. Spread was

[@diablotry5154]

​@@gabrote42did you read patch notes?

[@suffhunter23]

6 blades HAS to be a typo, there's no way you can get main even in 3 blades now (with add-ons)

[@lucidrefraction5303]

I feel like they missed a 1 in front of that 6. 13-16 blades is much more reasonable for halving the Main Event duration

[@suffhunter23]

@@lucidrefraction5303 that's what i think too

[@dodang_9147]

@@lucidrefraction5303 main event does nothing though. you have max throwing speed by default which was main improvement of main event. the only thing main event does is make you conserve ammo.

[@General_Weebus]

Main Event taking less hits to activate than it takes to fill the laceration meter is really weird

[@Xarenth]

Yeah, in theory you'd be able to hit your 3-6, then pop main event for a quick down on the survivor you've been chasing. I feel requiring 8+ would help prevent this - providing main event in a reasonable amount of time to encourage using it more often/providing it if you're in an extended chase where they've managed to lose some laceration stacks.

[@ItsJustShinra]

Then death throes just lets you auto refill ammo constantly. No need for lockers at all.

[@andreitgk4748]

@@ItsJustShinra well yes but it's better than an insta down and is an ultra rare.The time saved not going to lockers isn't huge but the fact that you dont have to leave the chase is.At least the cooldown from using main event makes it a bit fair.

[@oscarriveraabal9390]

Glad to see mft go this fast instead of after 7 years like dh. And i always felt like trickster being as slow as huntress never made sense, so im pretty happy with this changes

[@itzKidDope55]

Idk I felt the endurance effect should have been removed instead cause it made no sense a perk had 2 insane effects in one perk slot when most perks have 2 effects that are far weaker or one strong effect

[@Ritsu362]

DH was nerfed without the dash but a bunch of killers were still too trash at baiting it out and it got nerfed to the ground lmao

[@bloxer9563]

@@Ritsu362 ye

[@oscarriveraabal9390]

@@Ritsu362 you could still just press the button before a vault or as you were getting to a pallet so there was no baiting it, it was a free out of jail card

[@MashtyxRyan]

Shut up top command

[@DustTheOtter]

They removed the random knife spread sometime in the past. Now, with this change, his aim doesn't move upwards after every knife. Might be able to play him on console now.

[@Trident_Gaming03]

The player cards, and literally anything else that decreases charm bloat in the rift, is an amazing addition

[@caldw615]

They're just replacing the charm fluff in the rift with banners and player cards.

[@Trident_Gaming03]

@@caldw615 Well yeah, but now instead of 100% charm fluff, it'll be distributed between multiple different things

[@caldw615]

@@Trident_Gaming03 It's still fluff either way. This will be the new thing they distribute twitch drops and codes for 💀

[@Trident_Gaming03]

I'd still rather have the variety rather than always knowing that fluff will be charms. There should be more options, this is a start. I say it's amazing as a relative term, compared to how it is currently with only charms.

[@EdouardSaverys]

YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW BAD THE RECOIL WAS ON CONSOLE LIKE IT LITTERALLY MADE THE KILLER ALMOST UNPLAYBLE, so THANK GOD THEY RERMOVED THE RECOIL.

[@scrapinator8898]

No joke i have not played as him in over a year the last time i played as him i said "im done with this fucking killer he will get picked once his fucking recoil get removed" thats all i wanted but now? This is infinitely better!! Thank GOD.

[@deathmetalhellokitty9724]

Not unplayable I did just fine

[@cenobitedeeznuts1254]

Ikr imagine making a poor man's Huntress and make him unplayable for console players

[@WyattOShea]

Was it really that bad?. I play on pc so I had no idea lol I never really noticed the recoil at all. Good buff for console people though if it really was terrible lol.

[@EdouardSaverys]

@@WyattOShea If you have seen recoil comparisons you can see that the recoil is like 5x harder to control on console but yeah I have heard that there is not a lot recoil on PC

[@demonswords920]

I found trickster very fun if you used the ricochet add-on. Being able to land trick shots was very satisfying and allowed you to play around awkward loops that survivors may otherwise use to have laceration decay. Then go with Coup da grass to make you have an alternate way to deal with loops, and finish with one of 2 builds: 1) Use the reload speed add-on and Iron Maidan so you can reload mid-chase thus allowing you to throw all your knives without much concern. 2) Use Leathal pursuer, Darkness revealed, and the add-on that reveals survivors for 6 seconds once they are 1 knife away from taking damage.

[@GelatoGambino]

Moment of silence for the Legions and Slingers (unless you hit shots)

[@Veekron]

That was strong punch in the gut to these two. But maybe Made For This pick rate will collapse and it won't be that bad, who knows

[@sambeast13]

@@VeekronMft will not be used at all anymore. Legion and Deathslinger mains are fine.

[@Veekron]

@@sambeast13 and that is awesome news

[@randomaether]

Nah, no one is running this perk anymore

[@w1llrg]

tbf it doesnt impact slinger at all since you bring them towards you anyway, as you said you just have to hit shots

[@nighthawk8069]

I feel like trickster being 115% makes trying to dodge his knives more of a detriment because of the distance you will lose, which just aets you up to get hit by an m1 instead. Ill wait until i go against it but just reading this im wary

[@terranaes1270]

Its been awhile since i played but im pretty sure trickster slowed down while throwing his knives, im thinking hell only be 115 when his knives arent deployed

[@potatoweaver4116]

​​​​​​​@@terranaes1270that's true but since his base speed is faster he'll also be faster while throwing knives. Since he's slowed down relative to his base speed. This is pretty much just an unintended buff just due to how the game is coded. All speed modifiers in dbd work by multiplying or dividing a set precent by the base speed. Currently his base speed is 110%, and he's slowed down to 96.5%. So I guess he's slowed down by 13.5% while holding his knives. So now he should be moving at 101.5% while holding his knives. Just barely faster than survivors. My math could be totally wrong, so someone should check me on that.

[@maxomega3]

that last point is so true. I just looked at cool healing perks yesterday and I've been trying more niche ones like better than new and there's like nothing. I wanted to run solidarity but for some reason they thought it was too strong to work on medkit heals?? I'm already using a medkit on someone else, just let me have the perk. Apparently it also does nothing but alert the killer if I'm hemorrhaged too

[@BasedChadman]

Killers will keep crying until we have a full list of c tier, niche perks

[@maxomega3]

nah it was designed like that from the beginning; you're making up a guy to get mad at @@BasedChadman

[@vladspellbinder]

I love seeing the devs making drastic changes instead of the small ones they tend to do but going from needing thirty knives to needing only six is TOO drastic. Cutting it half, going to fifteen, would have been a big change that wouldn't be too out there. Thanks for the video Scott.

[@sirco2166]

For trickster main event they probably saw in their system that not many people use it and most of them just ignore that part of the power.

[@maniusdrand8928]

I've always thought of Trickster as personified Haddonfield. In some areas, there's nothing survivors can do. In others, he's totally useless. From the sounds of new main event, I actually like the direction, but it will probably still need a lot of tweaks to existing numbers. I think it should like a mini-huntress hatchet where you needed a clear shot or gap to throw a super quick barrage of knives.

[@JackBytez]

So i play Trickster a lot and the main thing that annoys me about the buffs is that main event can no longer be 99'd, which is a small thing but will lead to a lot of headache for survivor and remove one of the few cool things on him. The only way I've found main event fun to use is if you're getting it ready to use on survivors doubling a gen or you're camping end game with it, otherwise it just goes to waste. Sure, you'll get main event more often now but you'll also be dropping it more often as main event often feels more like a nerf to you than a buff. Main event just feels bad and i don't think having it more will make it better as it always felt more reliable, even when slower, to hedge your bets around corners to get free laceration hits which you just can't do with Main Event at all. Funnily enough shoes is now one of his better addons thanks to his faster base movement so it's possible that when you pull out your knives you won't enter snail mode to the same degree as now, topped with fire rate addons being gone. I'm also calling that 4 chase perk survivors are going to run DS - Balance - DH - MFT which gives them the best of all worlds. I'm also not too sure how i feel about MFT being nerfed given that i got super tired of running SB every game ages ago because so many killers can start and end chases with you unless you start in a strong pallet or jungle gym but i guess it doesn't change much for me as killer and as survivor i can just go back to that and just be omega boring. Edit: also forgot that MFT now also pairs extremely well with the already strong OTR so now you can combo it safely with Sprint Burst and have 2 incredibly strong seat belts if a killer tunnels. How fun. I honestly would much rather see Hope gutted than MFT nerfed at this point but beggars can't be choosers.

[@budrowconye4928]

I think the large amount of main event usage is what they are going for, as they deincentivized going for regular blade downs and made it super easy to use main event, however the high usage of main event comes with downsides like you are permanently slowed and cannot pull out your m1 without a large cooldown and you have a restriction to blades used afterwards. I think what they are going for at the survivor “fun counter play” standpoint is to try and make a play to break LOS against main event frequently to make them lose distance/cancel their power and go to another tile. This is where I can see fun counterplay being involved, but this is still up to the trickster if you want to have fun or not.

[@pepman423]

So one thing they did not mention about trickster which is very worrying is his movement speed while throwing. As he is now he slows down when pulling up knives im curious if hes going to be faster now by default because of the movement speed buff or if hes going to slow down to the speed he moves now when pulling up. I reall think it needs to be the second one because his two add ons that make him faster while pulling up knives are by far his strongest and if they are basically base kit now he will be unavoidable in chase.

[@JackBytez]

They are honestly terrible on him now as it's better to snipe knives thanks to recoil and the fact that the slow is beyond awful. His best add-ons are bounce blades as they let him play more tiles, auto reload on main event (cancel) so you never have to reload, faster fire rate so those 2 snipes become 4, with shoes being bottom of the list. He isn't slinger or huntress where aiming for long times helps you, he's like Pyramid Head where using your power too long and too often directly hurts you. I'm definitely of the belief that main event will stay awful.

[@yurifanatic2518]

I love how they added a voice line for trickster, having him say "It's tricking time!" Then proceeds to trick all over the survivor using his main event.

[@piralos1329]

I would love a huge perk overhaul like the previous one we saw, but I do like these small targeted changes a lot? They're willing to experiment with things and respond to feedback, which is super exciting!!

[@David_Hypnos]

The bad part is they respond to the wrong feedback most of the time.

[@RingoRoad]

I'm hoping by some strange synapse not firing correctly in my brain, that I'm completely misunderstanding these trickster changes. Because this seems like an insane buff that will make him chess merchant levels of DC inducing

[@Exerlin]

Yeah, a ranged killer at 115% movement speed has me a little worried. That, plus the increased accuracy and main event availability, it seems like being chased by this killer is going to be feel unfair. It's concerning, but as someone who has tried really hard to play Trickster well (and remains frustrated with the power's strength), I think there's a chance that these changes will actually be fine.

[@jasper.rubyftw]

As long as he stays slow while throwing blades these changes are fine. Because the blade requirement to get injured has been increased as well.

[@Luparf]

every killer that isnt M1/115 is DC inducing to the majority of survivors. Remember when everyone was DCing (still) against Wesker on sight?

[@NotJarrod]

​@@jasper.rubyftwalso gotta remember, despite the 33% increase in knives per injury, he throws the knives 33% faster apparently right off the bat so it probably will take him the same amount of time on average (if not less with the increased speed) to put that many knives into people.

[@jasper.rubyftw]

@@NotJarrod still doesn't affect his gameplay that much because he still slows down when throwing them. Meaning survivours hugging tiles with cover will still be a viable counter play regardless of all this

[@ItzTheBasics]

I used to be pretty decent as trickster so now that he’s getting a buff maybe I’ll start playing as him again. I had been only playing nemesis lately

[@prismaticowl]

I'm happy future players won't have as hard a time getting Adept Trickster. That one was a miserable grind for me. Down near the bottom of the heap with Oni and Spirit for time spent on attempts. I don't play him much but I might after this. Red Forest shrinking is easily the best part of this update for me. Now maybe it'll feel like I'm fighting survivors and not the map. Don't have Gabe so I don't have MFT and I'm bad at IDing perks on other players, so I'll have to defer to what other folks are saying, but it seems like a fine change that's gonna make Legion and Slinger have to work a bit harder.

[@aladaradus11]

you may not notice the recoil much on pc but it's hell for console players i've not played him since he came out basicly felt so bad on controller but after these buffs might give him a go, though i still think ill prefer huntress

[@thewrightone13jack]

I'm so happy they're looking at Red Forest so soon after they changed it before. I think it showes their willingness to listen and learn.

[@EvelinaNinudottir]

As a Trickster main, I actually kinda liked how the recoil changes his gameplay: I generally only throw one and one knife, because this gives me more control of his aim (the aim also changes based on whether you are currently holding a knife in his right vs. left hand). My favorite thing to do with him is to find small holes and similiar in half-tall structures and hit survivors with one and one knife. This generally requires a lot more aim control and feels much more satisyfing than merely throwing rapidly in the general vacinity of the survivor. My impression is that people who dislike going against Trickster feel that way because of the machinegun-feel of him - so why the heck are they strengthening that part of his power? I do like the change of the iri add-on because it rewards good aim, and changing him into a 115% will give him more map pressure (which he definitely does need), but I think the combo of all these changes will make his most efficient playstyle shitty to go against and will encourage survivors to prerun even earlier than now (especially if they increase his terror radius), leading to less interactive chases that are slow to start. Also: That Main Event change is going to be brutal, holy shit.

[@babbayagaa2031]

@scottjund the emblem system you’re talking about is the same as apex. You get a badge for a certain amount of damage / kills and etc in a match

[@leafmebe_2]

I’m fine with everything except Slinger and Legion being punished for using power and the fact that trickster is now just better slinger that can camp and get main event in under 2 seconds. Also the problem of mft being paired with ftp buckle up.

[@oscarriveraabal9390]

Legion never really chases someone that has endurance (and lests be real, nobody is going to run mft just to "counter" legion, this changes are to kill the perk) and slinger doesnt mather the 3% when he can pick you from far away

[@sorin_markov]

@@oscarriveraabal9390 Legion almost always chases someone who's in deep wound. Their power puts people into deep wound and then you chase whoever you ended power on. I agree that the usage rates will plummet, but it's still a good perk and it'll still be used a good bit, so Legions will have a harder time with it, but it's not like they weren't before. Slinger is interesting, but 3% is still harder than not having 3%, so meh.

[@dimitris598]

@@oscarriveraabal9390 If you're not chasing someone with deep wound as Legion, you're doing it all wrong. At least up until this patch.

[@hog9613]

@@sorin_markov 1 there will be a lot less people running mft so itll be better and 2 it'll be the exact same for legions now as it was prior except now they can hit power easier

[@Provitia]

This doesn't nerf legion, the only difference now is that survivors dont have to be exhausted, whilst the other killers get buffed

[@husaini8009]

I'm sure that regarding the main event buff, reverting the duration he can hold main event back to original (10 seconds I believe?) will make it fine. He can get it very quickly so he really does not need the ability to hold. Actually, reducing to 5 seconds might also be good so that main event is more of a tool to punish those in the open rather than a tool to obliterate survs going for saves. Edit: but cant be sure because of his movement speed buff. I really think that part is a bit too overkill

[@andreitgk4748]

the main event part sounds good till you realise that you need 8 blades per injure plus the cooldown after you ve used main event soo it may happen to not be as strong.

[@MisterPatak]

I'm just happy they're continuing the trend of "Hey we're going to slam a bunch of changes into a killer and make some adjustments after the PTB". Keep that up and we may end up with a solid killer roster overall.

[@Klinfran]

The 6 has to be a mistake, you get main event before getting an injure, you find someone in an open area or a low wall loop and there isnt anything he can do, with main event you can down a survivor before the injure speed burst allows him to reach safety and now he will have it in all chases.

[@JackBytez]

The speed when pulling knives is likely not as bad but it'll still be terrible so a survivor will be unhittable at almost every loop vs every loop with main event now. Honestly I'm pretty sure people will just not use main event still as it's a solid trap even with everything done to it here.

[@irontarkus6515]

The MFT changes are perfect. Now it's reward based(like dead hard) and it's a great complimentary perk since it's deep wound based. One of the best reworks bhrv has made tbh.

[@AvenFallen]

You will not see this Perk anymore. And this is the big problem with BHVRs way of nerfing things. They could have removed the Endurance and give a notification to the Killer that the Survivor has MfT and I think it would have still been good. But their nerf basically removes the Perk from the list of popular Perks.

[@bloxer9563]

@@AvenFallen no it's not bad, it's interesting now

[@volcaeri]

@@bloxer9563 i think the only reason it's bad is because you need to be in deep wounds. not because that's hard to get or anything, but sometimes it's **SO** fucking hard to see with deep wounds. if deep wounds wasn't so vision decaying i'd consider mft not too bad but dear god, deep wounds suck so much sometimes.

[@CallmeSins]

​@@AvenFallenI agree, I'll never use it again. They could have taken endurance off and make it a 2% movement increase.

[@TrueWarrior008]

It CAN be used as an anti tunneling perk with either Dead Hard or Off The Record

[@MaxxDW]

Saying that recoil is basically non existent is pretty crazy, that's imo like the biggest buff of this entire set of patch notes, in combination with 115 speed.

[@awildgoose5907]

Great video Scott! When are you gonna review the Otzdarva OS changes coming to live? I haven't seen a lot of people talking about them

[@latrodectahespara2728]

To be fair re: wanting more from patches at the end there, it's worth mentioning this coming update is a _chapter_ rather than a midchapter. So, it's all this + whatever new content comes with the new chapter.

[@foxinthebox2153]

Hey Scott. You say people are gonna pair it with Dead Hard, but you still don't get the speed boost if you are exhausted. So it doesn't work. EDIT: I missed the part where they said it's gonna work while exhausted as well now. My bad

[@scrapinator8898]

Quick! Change the comment so you look smart!!!

[@Snuggs_]

Really awesome changes but it won't top down the Otzdarva OS Update, they added some massive changes in it

[@ScoopsAhoySteve]

These trickster changes are beyond goofy, but I’m living for it tbh

[@Haaaaaaaaarper]

Lmao u here? Love the vids brother, hope 2 see more of the video games that change depending on the choices u make. Especially the telltale games are reeeeeally good and I hope u will play them at some point. U are really underrated imo tho🤌🏻♥️

[@ScoopsAhoySteve]

@@Haaaaaaaaarper Hey thanks homie, the choice games are gonna be part of a big project I have planned for the month of December so keep your eyes out for that❤

[@PadraicSmith]

I don't mind trickster honestly, never really did, as a survivor main, I actually found that once they removed random spread that using weird jerking movement let me dodge a lot of knives

[@Bumticklingbandit08]

This MFT change will most likely hurt legion heavily more than other killers (and partially Deathslinger)

[@JakeobE]

Nobody will run MFT after the nerf, especially not to counter a weak killer like Legion and a very uncommon killer to see like slinger.

[@mckookie2967]

Who's playing slinger with these Trickster buffs? mft is dead, people may run it with dead hard but people still using dead hard still haven't figured out that Sprint Burst is much better, especially because it can actually help you in your first chase

[@Bumticklingbandit08]

@@JakeobE it will probably be seen a lot less but I don’t think it’ll be dead as swf’s will use it for the endurance, and it still goes good with DH

[@finnaldredge-byars7578]

They didn’t say they would change any of the loops in red forest, just reduce visual clutter to make it easier to identify the loops.

[@AppleJackSix]

MFT will pair super well with Dead Hard now. I don’t think it’s a dead perk, you just won’t see it on half of all survivors anymore.

[@JackBytez]

DH and OTR and it can be used on top of strong exhaustions like SB. Like all I'm doing to my build is removing DH and DS and slotting in SB - OTR with MFT. It'll still be incredibly common as it's now one of the best anti tunnel perks vs the best exhaustion perk.

[@silasgreaves6134]

Guys use your head, don't just listen to what Scott says. MFT does not synergize with DH, you can look this up in game or check it out on the wiki: "Dead Hard causes the Exhausted Status Effect for 60/50/40 seconds." "Made for This cannot be used when suffering from Exhaustion, but does not cause the Exhausted Status Effect."

[@silasgreaves6134]

@@JackBytez MFT does not synergize with any other exhaustion perks. The perk deactivates when you are exhausted, so if you're running MFT and Sprint Burst you're literally deleting one of your perk slots.

[@Chaotic_H3LL]

​@silasgreaves6134 Except if you actually bothered to watch the video or read the patch notes. You'd know that the nerf makes it so it works in deep wound. But because of that being situational. They are making it so it STILL WORKS WHILE EXHAUSTED. Which is why both Scott and these guys have pointed out it works with DH well.

[@BigLadle99]

@@silasgreaves6134 learn to read brainlet.

[@Camophlo]

I hope the player card stuff is earned via character prestige to add more rewards past p9 example like getting Jeff emblems and player cards at p10/11/12

[@ginol1443]

MFT has a nice synergy with OTR since if they hit you after getting out of the hook you will go 3% faster and they can't outlast the 80 second endurance unless they want to die of old age

[@Letycs]

That's interesting. I've been using it with no mither to feel less bad about using it. Yes, I go faster, but I traded a health state for it and am 1 shot the entire game. It's been a fun combo.

[@David_Hypnos]

Am I missing something? Getting hit off hook would immediately use up your endurance state even if you do have OTR.

[@Letycs]

@@David_Hypnos They're saying it's a win win. In the event you're getting tunneled, getting hit off hook will just make you faster. Not getting hit off hook just means you have 80s of 'immunity' basically and if they decide to wait it out it costs them a lot of time and if they mistime it, they could even end up giving you MFT anyway by hitting you too early. It's actually a nifty anti tunnel synergy.

[@Letycs]

Speaking of, do we know whether or not it stacks with BT? Because BT stacks with base game BT, a wild teammate had BT recently and it literally saved my life from a killer that was riding my ass to wait out base kit BT. As much as I'll miss current MFT just because it's fun, I'm glad with the change because it'll go from annoying OP thing to just very anti tunnel/tunnel deterrent. It's kind of what DS was meant to be and maybe in the future we will see similar perks and synergies to deter unwanted behavior.

[@mckookie2967]

mft sucks now, better off with Sprint burst

[@boxcar_s8132]

I could see nerfed made for this being used with buckle up + for the people since if gives you endurance

[@mingyupeitao]

yeah me too, i already use it with buckle up so im not mad at the changes

[@TylerTheLoser_]

I'd really like to see BHVR experiment w/ a 4.5 m/s killer. It's always 4.4 or 4.6. Thought Trickster would've worked perfectly w/ 4.5. Also just make Trick Blades basekit omgggggggggggggggggggggggg. It's the only fun way to play Trickster IMO.

[@bunnalope]

Just from the patch notes alone, I must admit that I like how his power now encourages survivors to play around loops or what they have available in terms of cover rather than other killers where the simple play against their powers is to just leave the loop. Trickster's new add-on that increases his speed for every knife he hits with is something I am concerned with as it doesn't appear to have a cool down or a set duration outside of it's conditions. I can totally imagine a Trickster just going full M1 with Rapid brutality and STBFL to go at blinding speed with a ranged option to boot! Either way, I am pretty excited to check out the PTB!

[@douglasbreno4966]

Im pretty excited for The trickster changes, I used to main him when I started playing but when I realized he was pretty map dependent and slow as a 4.4 killer I dropped him, and this tweaks seem to fix these issues.

[@YoBroSkiis]

Dude the Otzdarva OS Upgrade link is the most under-appreciated joke of 2023

[@Teve1980]

If these Trickster buff come to live as they're written, then you're going to see alot of "GG's go next" once you get into the match with them. Machine gun build Tricksters spamming Main Events will just be miserable to go against.

[@deathmetalhellokitty9724]

This makes me happy

[@Teve1980]

@deathmetalhellokitty9724 So waiting in lobby to play and then getting into a game, just to have no chase interactions because survivors instantanly give up makes you happy? Such a STRONG response, from an Average Roller Killer Main. 👏

[@dineez627]

Easy fix, just increase the knives needed for main event. They know 30 is too high so any number below that can be experimented with. I also think you shouldn't be able to hold main event for so long. They need to decrease that so you can't hold it to destroy a single survivor.

[@The_B_Button]

@@dineez627 Too bad that's kinda the... POINT of Main Event? To destroy Survivors? Have you ever tried not getting out-positioned or just run to a loop once you're injured? There's plenty of counterplay, maybe try not sucking lol

[@dineez627]

@@The_B_Button I'm just giving a perspective.. If it's fine it'll go through the ptb. If not well...

[@aari6854]

So hear me out. With the main event change. Make it so trickster can only throw like 4 knives before he has to do a little mini reload, just like grab more knives out of his pocket or something. It will make dodging a bit more meaningful and instead of his normal power being spam and his main event being 5 seconds of spam it's more burst fire and then full auto

[@aari6854]

And as a slight side note. With an increase in fire rate and pretty much always having main event. Isn't he going to be even better at camping/contending unhooks as well as tunneling? He was already pretty good at contending unhooks but having main event be powered that easily is going to make him so much more powerful at that

[@Kondziorek55]

I'm not a salty survivor main but I think MFT would be fine if they just made it so that the haste doesn't stack with other perks like Hope or Dark Theory because now it's sorta like you have to do a backflip on Saturday through an open window into a Quentin hiding in a bush while playing as Trapper on Midwich with a Mikaela on the team that has a purple medkit to activate it

[@Mickeymouse7727]

No

[@raiden3295]

It also "stacks" with resilience because you get to vaults faster and once you get there the fast vault is even faster. It makes L-T loops a torture for some killers.

[@Mickeymouse7727]

@@raiden3295 And that's not even mentioning shack

[@slimeball2765]

how is being in deep wound too steep of a condition? there are like 20 perks that give endurance, including made for this itself

[@Kondziorek55]

And for some killers you mean those 3 Pig mains?@@raiden3295

[@nicholaspanu8735]

I remember one time on Mother’s Dwelling I had FOUR log tiles all in a line with a long wall window at the end and that smaller shack building to the side in the middle of the connected log loops. The Bubba was not thrilled

[@Username-vn1wx]

Mighta been me. If you were on xbox and were playing with friends, it was definitely me

[@SinNombre-_-]

I wonder if they'll reduce the number of knives Trickster can hold, so he plays around his Main Event.

[@reuv8441]

They could reduce it to like 32 knives, mainly cuz it’s a multiple of 8 so it’s even if you hit all of your knives

[@thefear420]

0:01 on the left side bar it says "Otzdarva OS Upgrade v1.04" right under the September update. Can't find that anywhere using the link you provided in the description and trying to find it myself. Anyone have any info on what that update is referring to?

[@AlbertWesker-uk3uv]

Legion mains crying rn

[@Katana314]

This genuinely feels a bit like one of BHVR’s more toxic killer players tried Trickster once, got frustrated at a decent squad, and decided to go crazy on buffs. The movement speed alone seems absolutely crazy - don’t recall Huntress or Deathslinger getting those favors. Pseudo-range killers like Plague or Nemesis need technical effects to achieve their range attacks.

[@deathmetalhellokitty9724]

Trickster was already low tier and only A Tier by players like myself or Coconut RTS . Most tricksters honestly suck

[@Katana314]

@@deathmetalhellokitty9724 That surprises me. I can't remember a time where I did horribly as Trickster, except when I myself was out of practice and deserved to lose.

[@deathmetalhellokitty9724]

@Katana314 tricksters kinda hard to play but not really in my opinion. Way easier than slinger or huntress

[@ihavebraindamage4445]

The terror radius increase and the duration being decreased seems like a buff lol

[@EzEldeo]

His terror radius was increased, not decreased

[@ihavebraindamage4445]

@@EzEldeo Yeah its a buff cos he had a lullaby anyways and now it works with TR perks

[@EzEldeo]

@@ihavebraindamage4445 true

[@Spudmay]

The MFT change also makes it an anti camping perk. I think the MFT change is very fair and can be very fun.

[@MrJimay94]

I think the only problem i have with the MFT change is this could screw over deathslinger if the loop has high walls

[@TrickyTrixTv]

The recoil was something mostly on console though it was annoying it wasn't hard to counter it was tilt down on stick, alternate your shots into burst its how worked it for on console just got bored of him due to awful maps

[@WiseMan20]

great changes! not the same can be said about your haircut tho

[@maxsm_]

i still think this game needs a better beginning tutorials or newcomer mode for new players. i feel like both sides get frustrated when they first start this game and don’t understand the chases of this game

[@mayrui2203]

Honestly respect to Skittleskitty11 for sniping chat while he was recording.

[@pkpvptheminer]

Where can I get the Otzdava OS ? Seems great

[@BoolianKazooka]

I like how the MFT nerf makes it kind of feel like an anti-tunnel perk. You can’t really have too many anti-tunnel perks. But if you get hit right off hook the killer is deincentivised from chasing you.

[@Chill_Bean]

Yeah but 3% isn’t much it just takes little longer to get you so killers will still tunnel. I think in deep wound they should increase it to 5% haste. It would be the good anti tunnel perk.

[@canevas1017]

@@Chill_Beanagreed the speed should be boosted since it’s difficult to activate now

[@lorenzanelson9216]

MFT is mainly good against slinger and legion (trapper to a certain extent) but when you got perks like DH, Buckle up, BT, etc, it evens out

[@ToonLinkGotT]

Cant believe they decided that trickster needed a buff. What the hell were they thinking 😭

[@thomasofastora6588]

The low tier killer needed a buff, shock and horror.

[@thedutywarlord264]

Nobody play trickster.. they made him more fair for both side .

[@ToonLinkGotT]

​@@thomasofastora6588he's so fucking annoying to play against though, wish he was deleted from the game

[@sechiccino]

He's annoying half the time, the other half the time he's basically just a 110 m1 killer

[@oinkayaya]

@@thedutywarlord264 How is this buff fair for *both* sides? The annoying to go against killer has been made more annoying to go against lol

[@lazygravy_brook]

0:40 exactly! Titanfall 2-style achievement cosmetics are cool

[@dwightfairfield8859]

Yay now trickster will be even more cancer to go against

[@deathmetalhellokitty9724]

Would u prefer they buff nurse?

[@dwightfairfield8859]

⁠@@deathmetalhellokitty9724no I’d prefer they buff killers that actually need a buff Wraith, Pig, leatherface, hillbilly, trapper, demo. They love buffing killers that are so annoying to go against

[@deathmetalhellokitty9724]

@dwightfairfield8859 well we can't all get what we want can we? I want trickster to have a ninja skin with Shuriken but it will never happen

[@manyachievables]

I think that we need to call to attention that they also didn't list a change for the Death Throes Compilation, the addon which fully reloads your knives after Main Event. This pretty much means you never have to reload now, especially if you pair it with Fizz-Spin Soda to make it require 4 blades only. If Trickster still keeps his 44 blades, this means you have to at least hit an eleventh of your blades with these two addons in order to get infinite ammo. I'm speechless.

[@PsychoMachado]

I think they addressed MFT appropriately. Same effect, but more situational with a small buff to balance it being worse (the endurance, although it won't be activated most of the time)

[@JakeobE]

Addressed so appropriately that it will not be used anymore.

[@luigivita8822]

It's dead perk they could have removed it from the game at this point

[@cityofsiege4244]

As a very old trickster main who stopped years ago, it’s nice to see my boy get some gameplay changes, I think survivors might actually like him more because it will take longer to actually get a hit and now have more time to dodge or hide while he’s throwing blades

[@finalfantasy50]

longer to get a hit? he is faster and throws faster and can main event so fast so he is going to be even more annoying

[@WyattOShea]

I already wasn't a fan of him at all because it seems like you can do nothing against a competent one so these buffs are going to make him even more unfun to go against lol.@@finalfantasy50

[@samuraj7209]

​@@finalfantasy50nah

[@cityofsiege4244]

@@finalfantasy50 With the 8 knives required to injure, it gives the survivor more time to dodge and or find cover or run away

[@Herbster0]

Imagine an emblem for going on a 50+ winstreak 😱

[@potatoweaver4116]

Dude Trickster buffs. Fuck that, I can't stand going against him already.

[@keltonschleyer6367]

Recent updates make me think 2 exciting things: - BHVR is paying attention to community feedback. - BHVR is echoing the philosophy of “rewarding gameplay” as the focus of changes.

[@katnumb1692]

they're only listening killer mains. Nurse is still broken, Blight still have broken addons, they're nerfing every survivor sided map but not killer sided maps and so on

[@IceboundEDM]

I wonder if they could be able to make the Trickster's knives easier to dodge by *slightly* slowing down their projectile speed 🤔 I like the fact that they're incentivizing player interaction more, but there's just no way to reliably dodge a constant barrage of blades coming your way. This would make him less reliable at longer distances, since he'd have to predict survivor movement to reliably hit them, but would be a non-issue at point blank. They buffed his movement speed, so I feel like it'd make sense for them to incentivize that he tries to partly close the gap on them before shredding through health states

[@darrelthomas8270]

Trickster change is cancer

[@PlagueOfGripes]

Odd approach to both. It just increases the problem that Trickster punishes you for being visible. So maybe they gave up and just want his kill rate up? They definitely gave up on MFT and kill nerfed it after realizing they can't lower its values. It should have just turned off if you vaulted or threw a pallet. Maybe even renewed after exhaustion or something. More Behavior binary balance.

[@KozmoPoly]

I love this MFT change, still wish they stopped haste stacking but I feel like this change is a good fix for MFT

[@groudonmario]

Honestly I wish they did more drastic ptbs like the finishing mori ptb, they can go crazy changing whatever they want and if it doesnt recieve good responses they can just vault it

[@voodinator]

Typical BHVR move: buffing 10 things at a time which will result in an overpowered killer that they have to nerf afterward. Even only the movement speed change would already make a huge difference but nope they do multiple things at once without testing, so this will be a big mess like always.

[@suitedfox8682]

i will never forgive you for depth of fielding Buddy. truly something a Vile Scott would do

[@mynx1]

woo 3% extra speed gone, can't wait to keep seeing STBFL+rapid brutality in the many months to come tho!!

[@Veldrin05]

Meanwhile Ultimate weapon be like: Am i a joke to you ?

[@IllllllllIlllllllI]

Prediction: Moving forward, it seems like MFT getting nerfed to give the bonus ms only when you’re deep wounded, indirectly makes DH/Off the Record stronger more enticing for endurance. The haste being removed for the most part of games seems like it gives priority back to Adrenaline/Sprint Burst (which in turn can make Terminus more useful to counteract Adrenaline)

[@Onii_Chan_Kenobi]

Oh hey cool, they nerfed survivor again and buffed my most hated killer. I can finally uninstall without missing the game! Hype

[@Onii_Chan_Kenobi]

@larsliamvilhelm That +100% BP bonus been on survivor for a looooooong time... wonder what that's about 🤨

[@deathmetalhellokitty9724]

Skill issue

[@Onii_Chan_Kenobi]

@@deathmetalhellokitty9724 Maybe. But I'm free now, don't gotta worry bout all that. On to my backlog.

[@craigy_uk]

I've wanted to main Trickster for such a long time (I have a shit ton of year 6 event cakes on him) but everytime I play him I will have more frustration than fun with him, but just because his speed was slow and raising and lowering knives felt like it took too long. I feel if I can, say, run around TL corner and pop off a couple of knives then that would feel more satisfying than just never having a window of opportunity because hes raising and lowering his knives as they go around the corner 0.01s earlier.. you just fall behind and if you had any lacerations then they decay and, as you said, feels terrible. I would have been happy with the movement speed increase and a raise/lower time decrease to start with because I feel that would have been fine.. but we'll see how these changes are. I'm excited to try :D

[@RyanLeeSergent]

All of these changes are dope as hell lets go. Trickster is gonna feel so good to play.

[@thanos3163]

@larsliamvilhelmcope

[@scrapinator8898]

​@larsliamvilhelmif this is a complaint boo hoo weak killer got buffed get over yourself. If not then no other killer player this will not make him that much stronger.

[@scrapinator8898]

@larsliamvilhelm bruh yes 3% haste on a SURVIVOR is overpowered i cant see how your being pissy about a bad killer being made playable, unless your butthurt because your a made for this user 🤔

[@deathmetalhellokitty9724]

​@larsliamvilhelm 😂 oh no a killer actually strong

[@deathmetalhellokitty9724]

@larsliamvilhelm sounds like a skill issue to me buddy . Trickster isn't unbeatable you just plain suck . These buffs weren't necessary in my opinion but I'm not complaining. We already know people like you abuse MFT so ur opinion is completely invalidated. If it makes u feel better I'll play trickster just to make survivors suffer more often . Oh wait I already do that with Jigsaw .

[@PistolSlinginMothMan]

Trickster being able to enter main event so often sounds really nice in theory

[@SolidRazo]

On one hand MFT deserved the change but on the other it’s gonna be hard to use MFT when being in the mending state literally makes you legally blind

[@scrapinator8898]

Trade off for a perk that gives free loop time

[@Iwillcontinuetobehim]

I genuinely forgot trickster even existed. I haven't seen one at all this year.

[@Cynorkis]

I always maintained that controller killer is not as difficult as most make out but trickster was the exception. He felt borderline unusable

[@deathmetalhellokitty9724]

I mained trickster for a bit . All I did was use monitor and abuse to aim better . I had no problem winning then