Madeline speech- The Fall of The House of Ushers

[@Dervraka]

Madeline is the epitome of Nihilistic, she understands perfectly what's wrong with world but instead of using her talent and resources to try to fix some of it, she would rather just speed up the death spiral and then watch and laugh while it all burns.

[@mg-cx5tv]

And then put blame on those who are burning .

[@furiousanger3352]

FIX SOME OF IT ? FIX WHAT ? START WHERE ? ITS A FUCKING HELL OF A WORLD , FUCK FIXING IT , ITS A FUCKING CORRUPT HYPOCRITE SELFISH GREEDY BLOOD SUCKING FUCKING MONSTERS OF A WORLD ,WE ARE A FUCKING VIRUS KEEP FUCKING EATING AND MULTIPLYING SO FUCKING ATTACHED TO LIVE OVER ONE ANOTHER , I STAND BY WHAT SHE SAYS , FUCK THIS WORLD AND EVERYONE IN IT .

[@dramaghost999]

Well said, I still like her though.

[@frederick2video]

There is something to be said for authenticity. Maybe others would not put the blame on others but she is true to herself and how she sees the world.@@dramaghost999

[@eduardorios7154]

​​@@mg-cx5tvNo she just doesn't care. People will blame her, bills due and she'll take it standing up. No shame, no fear. Honestly the best character in the show.

[@fuhgetabatit1051]

This woman explained the United States in 2 minutes and 12 seconds.

[@alanafowler3024]

Mary McDonnell has been in the business for 46 years give her a frakkin Emmy already because A. She brings her A-game to everything she does and B. Mary puts everything into a project that she is a part of. C. Was anyone else yelling for Madeline to stop drinking the whiskey because it was poisoned.

[@BrodyT6464]

She was amazing in BSG too!

[@alanafowler3024]

@@BrodyT6464 yeah I know that show is part of the everything that I mentioned.

[@frederick2video]

Both in the scene did an excellent job in this series.

[@charlesajones77]

@@BrodyT6464 I remember I read or saw somewhere when they were doing the casting for Battlestar Galactica, one of the producers said "We need to find someone like Mary McDonnell for the role of the President", and someone else suggested "Why don't we just ask Mary McDonnell herself if she'll do it?". Obviously she said yes :)

[@Roslins-Airlock]

I was yelling, like b*tch, that's your move!

[@firstnamelastname3842]

Mike Flanagan is a genius writer. This and the lemon speech are so amazing

[@catarinalucca3258]

the way Roderick's facial expressions totally changed when he watched Madeline take a sip of that wine at the end just shows us the potential of this brilliant actor

[@calamitysangfroid2407]

This is really good, a lot of times when directors put in a "society is terrible" monologue it feels preachy but there's just enough of Madeline in it at the right moments to avoid that. Talking about sexism, because she experienced sexism. Blaming society to make herself and Roderick look like victims. Great stuff.

[@trinabina3900]

This lady is so talented. 💜

[@jadegriffith6446]

This scene just like all madelaine scenes screams how strong and powerful she was

[@quannguyenle9775]

and immoral, psychopathic, ruthless

[@atgay2640]

@@quannguyenle9775the extreme end point of strong and powerful is being ruthless

[@ifrankensteinsmonster]

Toxic feminine characters! Every usher was a piece of shit except Lenore

[@Lumensensus]

​@@atgay2640🤡🤡she was a killer who didn't care but herself and try to take out her brother by lying to him that's not powerful, that's a coward

[@atgay2640]

@@Lumensensus well she got more guts than her bro, she tries to protect her brother’s children and she’s not afraid to confront the dangerous supernatural forces at work, dealing with Verna as if she’s her equal while her brother was languishing his ass in poetry and guilt

[@mst3KGf]

Excellent speech and there are good points, but it's ultimately about Madeline refusing to take any responsibility for her actions. More than anything, SHE is the one responsible for the downfall of the Ushers, since Roderick arguably wouldn't have done much of the stuff he did without her driving him.

[@kylewilkins6149]

Roderick PRETENDED to be better than Madeleine cuz he was a husband and father. He pretended to love cuz it was expected of him. Madeline deliberately went in the opposite direction. Never a mother, never a wife. Make no mistake, they were on the same team and on the same page every step of the way. In the end, he was no better and no different from Madeline in any real way. He just pretended otherwise for his childrens’ sake.

[@mg-cx5tv]

​@@kylewilkins6149I guess the point is he wouldn't go anywhere without maddy's brain .

[@mst3KGf]

@@mg-cx5tv That is correct, that and her will. She is the driving force since she was obsessed with them getting their "birthright" of Fortunato that she feels they were robbed of because their father never acknowledged them. Roderick notably was much more ambivalent and less ruthless about it all. If Madeline wasn't there, the influence of Annabel Lee would have won out and he'd have been a poet instead.

[@SteelBallRun1890]

@@mg-cx5tv This. Madeline is clearly the brains, but Roderick's last words to August is already proof of that he's just as bad without remorse. "I bet I still could've sold it" His words after he confesses that he always knew he'd spiral the world to more misery with his addictive drug and he still would've done it even if he told the masses the downsides of it.

[@2Malachi]

Only Satan would think that an excellent speech, as it's full of lies.

[@myklorenzo87]

Glad someone else found this speech memorable

[@TheGreatMrMagoo]

She's absolutely spitting in this scene holy shit

[@OliverLee789]

She is but I think the point of the speech is to highlight how warped her own morals actually are, just because people are easily exploitable it doesn’t give you personally the right to exploit them

[@valeriawilliams6412]

@@OliverLee789 does it?! All people have to do to stop people like is not consume thier products, but yet people still buy!

[@Scott-ql2kx]

​@valeriawilliams6412 yeah except that's not how people work. Nobody forced Madeline to make money the ways she chose to, nobody forced her to keep making a bigger and bigger fortune, more money than she could ever spend. Yeah, people will buy cheap, morally questionable stuff if it's there, and she made the choice to put it there.

[@damiairis4344]

@@OliverLee789- correct. It’s another example of her pushing blame onto other people for her own actions. Like how when Griswold drank the cyanide, she kept saying “How could he not taste it?”

[@mg-cx5tv]

​@@OliverLee789exactly!

[@icoleman150]

This series was so great! Perfect for the Holiday season.

[@user-lh7hb1ge7h]

Mary need a emmy for this scene 😊

[@BrodyT6464]

GIVE HER THE EMMY

[@jordanmiller4648]

Unfortunately its so true. Mary and Bruce killed it 👍

[@user-lh7hb1ge7h]

I Hope Mary and Bruce work together again

[@2Malachi]

It's all lies, you poor fool.

[@user-lh7hb1ge7h]

I hope Mike Finnegan and Mary mcdonnell together again 😊

[@6pathuser344]

She was truly an Empress

[@user-lh7hb1ge7h]

I like how Perry hi aunt Madd when they enter the bar and Roderick was like hi and Madline was hi darling

[@Daphineholland]

Her speech was so on point!

[@user-lh7hb1ge7h]

You can look on Rockrick's face. am doing this for Annabelle

[@Roslins-Airlock]

I read it totally different. I thought he was heartbroken as she drank. Before she starts drinking, he's staring at her like a man in love, imo. It wasn't explicit or necessarily sexual, but I think they did have a very incestuous relationship.

[@user-lh7hb1ge7h]

Mary new Netflix queen

[@johnrie18]

Part of her argument is “I’d have to be as stupid as people if I didn’t take advantage of people for being so stupid.”

[@slimjim1329]

Correct me if im wrong but did she just acknowledge that she is part of the problem but is taking no responsibility for it?

[@llDarkPheonixll]

I mean, she's not wrong...

[@mg-cx5tv]

Yes she is not wrong but she is putting all responsibility on consumer which is wrong. I mean if it would be so one sided then why companies invest so much money on advertisements and samples to entice consumers. Both consumers and makers are at fault .

[@2Malachi]

She is lying, it's not people's fault, capitalism, the love of money, as always, that's the root of all evil.

[@ComradeHellas]

A very powerful scene, not sure if the majority of people fully comprehend it though.

[@bla-bla-bla8881]

Yeah mr Genius you’re the only one smart enough to understand it

[@noturmum7967]

Please hold a course breaking down the intricacies of Flanagan's writing for us cave people to understand

[@breezed2154]

Yeah man totally. Can you help breakdown Sesame Street for me? It’s too subtle for me to comprehend.

[@noturmum7967]

@@breezed2154 so it turns out it wasn't just a street. They were in Elmo's World the whole time!!

[@PTSayoriD]

Whoa we got a galaxy brain over here. cAPitALisM eViL. We got it.

[@user-lh7hb1ge7h]

Mary sounds like a President

[@dodobird97]

She played a president in "Battlestar Galactica" tho.

[@user-lh7hb1ge7h]

Bruce is Mary new leading man

[@kimmmmm871]

I mean if its talking about its real-life counterpart oxycontin, the company did make people overuse it so 😭 Madeline being like 'don't want to be addicted, don't overuse it' is just 😂😂😂

[@user-lh7hb1ge7h]

Mary crafe is so good

[@user-lh7hb1ge7h]

Mary for president

[@fanaticmusic5114]

What’s the background music ?

[@yohanbersuat1268]

Omg I’m looking for to !!

[@ZomBabeZoe]

👍👍

[@scottstewart316]

You're filming this while it plays on your tv like it's 1992? 🤣🤣🤣

[@marryciletti5891]

Apparently..who gives a s***

[@scottstewart316]

@@marryciletti5891 Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! 🤣

[@marryciletti5891]

@@scottstewart316 ..and you are like a little boy from the 80’s-90’s teasing and pulling on a girls pigtail just to get a reaction.

[@scottstewart316]

@@marryciletti5891 Perhaps, but you don't have a pigtail to pull.

[@silvergoat87]

Shes dead on

[@user-lh7hb1ge7h]

Mama needs a emmy

[@jaimegarduno50]

They made the consumers not the other way around

[@JevoKitano]

You don't understand how the world works mate.

[@jaimegarduno50]

​@@JevoKitanoyes i know

[@Lumensensus]

​@@JevoKitanoYour dumb ahh 🤡 if you think she's right! You don't know sh*t about economics consumerism 🤡🤡

[@williamowens6688]

The US currently spends 3x the amount ($6.1 billion) on AIDS/HIV research than it does ($2.4 billion) on erectile dysfunction....

[@Cussie3]

You're arguing realism in a show about a woman who is the embodiment of fate coming to kill a whole family...

[@OpalLeigh]

Are they just referring to research? I interpreted her comment as more of a “this is what percentage people buy medications for ED; and the pentagon spends money on it through for soldiers and shit 🤷🏻‍♀️ I could be 100% wrong though! Either way, the number is shocking if it’s true to our world.

[@EJD339]

Where’d you even get the 2.4 billions dollars? I tried to google it and couldn’t find it.

[@inabsolutedarkness13]

yeah .. sure

[@josephstieb9826]

This might have been the cringiest 2 minutes of TV I have ever seen.

[@PTSayoriD]

The schmuck that wrote it must've thought it profoud.

[@TheMorous]

This speech was kind a cringe

[@Nate-vx6dd]

L take 🤡

[@Dilaron]

True, very shallow and edgy. However I perceived it as a pathetic attempt of negative character with hardly any redeeming qualities at somehow justifying her loathsome behaviour during the series ("Everyone is awful, why shouldn't I). It was probably not intended by the screenwriter, but works that way.

[@PlayNiceFolks]

Fyi, abortion is not mentioned in the Constitution, thus it is a State's Rights issue. Which I'm very much for, but we have to be consistent with law, or else why have them at all.

[@ComradeHellas]

Abortion is not the subject, abortion was how to get the audience's attention, the point was a 200+ years notion that following capitalism and the industrial revolution every new generation is here for nothing but cheap labour force and consumerism. It is a grim and ominous notion but I cannot disagree with it, it seems that society especially today is stripped naked from any higher ideals or any sense of community, brotherhood, humanity. The screenwriter also touches that by mentioning that despite mankind having the tools to solve poverty, hunger, disease they are more obsessed about erectile dysfunction which is a crude way to say that people are addicted to hedonism and fleeting desires. That is my take from this scene.

[@kc0jtl]

I felt this political tirade killed everything leading up to this point in the series. Throwing politics in the middle of a good story doesn't add anything, and I found it in poor taste.

[@tico5058]

The entire series is filled with politics lol.

[@gunguntrio1247]

I would agree but that was always her character. She despised most men in general and refused to be under one. I don't even know if she liked any of her nephews. The only 3 people she seemed to actually like were her brother, their lawyer, and Lenoir.

[@michaell1744]

That's because you're a baby brained simpleton who doesn't realize that politics touches every aspect of our lives

[@alexrivera1274]

The whole story revolves around politics.

[@haggardye298]

That makes you the consumer