MAGA EXPLODES after Elon Musk supports EXPANDING H1-B visa program | Free Media

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[@SeaJay_Oceans]

20 million foreigners added under pResident Biden 40 million H1-B foreigners gonna be added by President Musk.

[@johnsreyer9409]

How IT Jobs Works in the USA: In India, most states provide free or highly subsidized engineering education to their youth, with annual fees as low as $1,000. Additionally, local governments have granted numerous institutions the status of deemed universities, leading to an oversaturation of engineering colleges and universities. To illustrate, a single city might host hundreds of engineering colleges, many of which are now closing due to a lack of students. Most of these institutions, apart from a select few reputable ones, operate with insufficient funding. They struggle to hire qualified lecturers and lack adequate laboratories for practical training and research. As a result, these colleges often produce underqualified engineers. The Role of IT Staffing Agencies: These subpar engineers are typically recruited by IT staffing agencies, colloquially known as "body shoppers." These agencies secure contracts with IT vendors who, in turn, have partnerships with small to mid-sized IT firms in the United States. These vendors act as "preferred suppliers" and undertake IT projects on fixed-price contracts or retainer models. The Lifecycle of the Process: 1. Initial Recruitment: Underqualified engineers are hired by staffing agencies and placed on these projects. Over time, they gain experience and control over their assignments. 2. Transition to Direct Employment: After a few years, many of these engineers are offered full-time roles by the client companies. Leveraging their new positions, they bring in additional personnel from their original vendors, earning significant commissions for each contractor they help onboard. 3. Team Replacement: Within a year, the project team often transitions to a mix of offshore and onsite personnel, effectively replacing American workers. Exploiting Loopholes in the System: • Low Initial Pay with Incentives: H1B workers are initially paid modest salaries but are gradually rewarded through commissions for onboarding more contractors from their vendors. • Information Leakage: Project details and proprietary information are frequently shared with vendors and sub-vendors. This ensures new H1B candidates are well-prepared, even for technical interviews, which are often reduced to mere formalities. • Exclusive Hiring Practices: Preferred vendors prioritize H1B candidates over American workers, often entirely excluding the latter from the recruitment process. The Bigger Picture: The system disproportionately favors H1B workers over American professionals. While prominent figures like Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy talk about how 10 to 15% of H1B holders are highly skilled and genuine, the remaining 85% exploit the system through these practices. For many Americans, this is an unwinnable race. They are sidelined by preferred IT vendors who control the hiring process, leaving them with little opportunity to compete in this deeply entrenched game. Funny how 'America First' doesn't include real Americans, and anyone who calls out the hypocrisy is branded a racist or anti-progress and anti-talent.

[@TheHauntedKiwi]

​@@johnsreyer9409This whole channel is built on "Rich Americans First and Only". There's no version of capitalism where the rich care about you and want to help you.

[@rncgsu]

Trump in 2016 "I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first for every visa and immigration program. No exceptions."

[@Axolotl_Mischief]

It's almost like lying is a career for this guy...

[@mustang607]

Those who can prove they are the top 0.1% won’t be cheap.

[@garyoakham9723]

Cults are easy to detect. It’s your job as Americans to end them and their members

[@appropriate-channelname3049]

@@Axolotl_Mischief How could you call him a liar. He was pretty clear he changed his position on graduates and technical workers coming into the country.

[@e4now788]

All reporters should quote this back at the incoming guy.

[@alamaric5534]

Bottom line. Companies do not want to pay for the top talent. They get the immigrants for cheaper.

[@Paul-A01]

H1Bs can be suspended by the employer at any time. So it is a kind of indentured servitude: work hard or get deported. No wonder companies want this arrangement

[@johncronin6977]

It’s modern day indentured servitude, period. Tech bros (and other big companies) want cheap, unorganized labor. This isn’t hard to understand

[@freethinksman4393]

@@johncronin6977 I cannot understand how MAGA rallied behind a billionaire and his billionaire entourage and is somehow *still* surprised that the whole crew wouldn't throw all-in for their own self interests. There never has been an altruistic billionaire. Every cabinet-level appointee so far has been an ostentatious, absurdly wealthy person with a proven track record of promoting their own self interests- most often in the same industry they have been tapped to "lead". I don't fault the rich for looking out for Number One. It's exactly how they have achieved the "Number One" spot in their industries in the first place. I just can't get my head around how someone could be surprised by this reality. I understand team loyalty and I understand how Democrats have prioritized elevating any and every marginalized (despite how warranted that marginalization might be) demographic, simply to feel better about themselves. We had a choice between two awful candidates. Whichever one we chose was bound to be bad. Can't we at least recognize that just because Democrats have proven to be "woke", feckless morons, that does not turn Trump and his rich friends into decent human beings. They got rich by climbing over the bodies of those beneath them. Why would they suddenly stop?

[@bobc3454]

All companies have at will employment and can terminate your employment at any time for not working hard enough.

[@zigzag321go]

​@@bobc3454 Americans can just get another job, especially with the severance pay they get. H1-B's are here on the agreement that they are working. The moment they lose their job, they are at risk of being deported.

[@ludwigvonsowell5347]

That’s just another factor in compensation. How much is the H1B status to stay in the US worth to a worker? 20k? 50k?

[@leslovesliberty1776]

Amber THANK YOU for bringing up the Indian middleman companies, no one else is talking about this!!

[@oceaniax27]

The most amusing thing about watching this whole argument play out is seeing the same people screaming that the youth are not having enough children deride those same youth for wanting a work/life balance and enough pay to support said family. Such hypocrisy.

[@freethinksman4393]

I am 60 and as much as I love my kids, I would have never been so selfish as to bring them into this world if I knew then what I know now. Neither of my kids plan to ever have kids and I can't blame them in the slightest.

[@sephondranzer]

Wow I actually didn’t stop to think of this. This is a good point!

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

“Just let in legal immigrants, lol”

[@JohnJourdan88]

freethinksman4393 You failed as a father

[@huudang3419]

I'm an American, Computer Engineer, who graduated from a well-known University in the U.S. and with 25 years of experience. I used to work for the largest Indian Company 'T**’ in Technology and I just got laid off a few months ago before Christmas Season, the Indian company decided to keep the Indian and laid me off! America always needs talented immigrants, Von Braun helped America to build rocket to the moon. However the H1B issue is completely different, it is a loophole for the Greedy Corporations to pay cheap, a modern-day Slaves Dealer and also leave American workers out of jobs!

[@hand3and3]

Von Braun was European. He understood western values, practices, heritage, etc. We cannot have any immigrants coming in from the 3rd world any longer. America is not a melting pot. Look at how Canada is with the indians. America is the PEOPLE, and the people are not INDIAN.

[@coldguy4926]

Dude, TCS is a low grade employer even by Indian standards..

[@JohnJourdan88]

Haha you seriously called Von Braun an immigrant and compared operation paperclip to operation pooperclip h1b

[@Xccelerate25]

60% of IT jobs are already outsourced to Indian companies and on top of that they are bringing additional 500k through H1, L1, H4, L2 etc.. every year

[@MoneyMaker-pu1rj]

facts.

[@John-ej5jk]

Correct.

[@aw1078]

I didn’t vote for Trump so he can turn US into an open public sewer like India. He better turn back on this.

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

MAKE INDIA GREAT AGAIN !

[@maheshrathod204]

But but but Americans are costly, especially in the california they need 100k salary so how the hell you want us to become super powerful and give neck to neck fight to china ?

[@Sam-kk1tz]

Not surprising Elon is consistently pursuing policies benefiting himself

[@trappedcat3615]

The fact that he called his team DOGE is basically Elon admitting the obvious and trolling the entire government. Its not ideal, but all I can say is good for him. 😅

[@cgo7395]

It IS surprising how many people thought otherwise.

[@jamesfowley4114]

You're not?

[@izdatsumcp]

and you're not against immigration because you perceive it benefits you?

[@Sam-kk1tz]

@ I’m against unrestricted immigration, regardless of how it might impact me economically.

[@lgyuricska]

Robbie, you trust the billionaires too much, I don't think they care that much about you, or any of us.

[@unclemuscles-p5t]

Yes because libertarians are lost. You guys NOW hate crony capitalism. You are SO CLOSE to realizing the monopoly is the logical outcome of so-called "free competition." So close to seeing that POWER is a concept that drives things in our world, and that the powerful people have developed an ideology to sell you while they take everything and you do their bidding for them. Libertarians are useful idiots par excellance.

[@Krishna-pt3yu]

Bro if you dont like billionares stop doing business with them, stop feeding them your money. Why do hate billionares so much?

[@BlueAxeRacer]

It doesn't matter if a billionaire "cares" about you, if they're willing to invest in business then that will have an indirect positive effect on the economy as a whole. What the right doesn't understand is that you need a strong economy before you can have strong "cultural values" i.e. a significant number of individuals who are positioned to improve their wellbeing while performing mutually beneficial actions for the national interest. You can have unity without identitarianism.

[@unclemuscles-p5t]

@@BlueAxeRacer You are an ideologue and sycophant. What if the billionairre uses government subsidies, i.e. welfare? What if he prefers to export jobs to other countries? What if he prefers to not pay taxes for more education for American workers? What if he prefers to import cheaper labor via H1B visas? What if he prefers to rig the system in his favor? What if he uses his power to corrupt the political system? What if he opens labor markets and borders to be truly liberatarian and you watch your wages dive? What about his interests just magically -- because the world isn't complex -- happen to be opposed to your interest, the interest of the society as a whole, or future generations? Please, stop repeating tired old talking points. Get your head out of the clouds. You don't have a philosophy. You have Reaganomics without the 50 years of criticisms. Wake up.

[@unclemuscles-p5t]

​@@Krishna-pt3yu He didn't say he hated them

[@deeroyel3144]

Robby stays on the wrong side of every issue. Americans having to train their replacements should let you know that its not about merits

[@TheHauntedKiwi]

Robbie is a bootlicker. Capitalism itself is not about merit. If it were a meritocracy, we'd outlaw all inheritance and mergers so people/firms had to stand on their own.

[@Horse-c2t]

He is a democrat

[@glynnec2008]

Robby never addressed Amber's question about companies that bring in an Indian on an H1-B visa, and then force a current *American* worker to train them to take over their job. Surely you cannot claim that an American cannot do the job, when in fact the American WAS DOING THE JOB, until the company gave that job to a low-paid immigrant (who is subsequently treated as an indentured servant).

[@angelaalbury986]

You nailed it! Therefore too, being a US citizen is a negative, not a positive.

[@johncronin6977]

@@glynnec2008 you are exactly right.. this is indentured servitude..

[@CoconutPete]

it's all about cheap slave labor

[@RobBates]

Big Tech abuses the intent of the H-1B all the time. I saw it first hand in my career. I dunno about other sectors of the work force. Seems like H-1B could be an excellent program for the hard sciences.

[@bigcheeze68]

I've been working in IT for 30 yrs, of which the last 20 has been in "Cyber security" - I can assure you that many of the H1B's AREN'T the best and brightest. That of course doesn't mean there aren't some who are EXTREMELY talented and we can absolutely use anyone who has talents in these fields. However let's not kid ourselves, this is an effort to bring in lower wage workers and to push out more experienced higher paid workers who actually question the company and not just do what they're told - which is a LARGE cultural difference. I'm fortunate to currently work with both high skilled foreign born workers, and US born young workers who are at least as good.

[@up4open763]

Additionally, Hindi culture completley respects Racism as natural, maybe even imperative. They have no problems Only Hiring Indians (on visa too).

[@gamerscomplete]

similar field and similar time in the field, and I agree fully, the people on these H1B's are absolutely not the best, sure theres some good ones but theyre the outliers. These companies hire them because theyre effectively slave labor, theyll work for cost of living because theyre getting to move to the US, but they cant leave that job or their visa gets revoked so they are forced to do anything for the company or get kicked out. There is just no upsides to expanding the H1B program but there is endless detriments from it.

[@zroth3734]

If you are so talented, then why don't you open up your own IT company in USA and hire those unfortunate "talented" Americans? To work most of the time CEO/business owners need order followers not rebels

[@gamerscomplete]

@@zroth3734 who says we havnt? what sort of half wit response even is that?

[@zroth3734]

@@gamerscomplete the why complain about the cheap skilled labors taking away local American jobs?

[@acid_8]

Amber makes solid points from a long-term American's lifestyle perspective. Imagine training a guy to replace your job that is culturally incompatible in the corporate space and the neighborhood. I personally wouldn't comply because as some have said, if they're so good to take over my job, let someone else train them.

[@snowheader2200]

Not just incompatible. They fundamentally hate America and actively dismantle everything it stands for.

[@jeffbrown3559]

Goerge "H-1B Visa" Washington.

[@ErinMagner82]

O1B visas have no quantity limits and they would cover probably more than the top .1% of talent in any field because they only require consistent internationally recognized awards and achievements which could be scholarships, research grants, and discoveries. So there's no question that Elon is making things up and he deserves the controversy when most people working in tech have been laid off the past 8 months, including American minorities but especially white men that typically work in STEM related fields and are noticeably suffering under the current hiring culture in the USA. I did some research and it looks like a big problem for American students in STEM is that there's no salary increase for holding a Master's or a PhD, and for international students the incentive is obtaining a visa. H1B visas and the high cost of education actually limit the quality of American applicants when they drive down rewards for achieving higher levels of academic achievement.

[@John-ej5jk]

America is not a sport’s team. It’s a country where we, citizens, raise families and promote our beloved values.

[@harleyb.birdwhisperer]

Racist though they are.

[@ukiitm]

Yes, and your family got here from somewhere else. So drop the hypocrisy.

[@pimpdragonarchfiend]

​​@@ukiitmthere was nothing wrong with prioritizing people that are already here. Why even have a country is there just going to prioritize the entire globe first?

[@MrChowbaby69]

America is about capitalism. American STEM can't compete with global market. Their production is either subpar or onpar. It never justify the pay. Mainstream media is too scared to tell you that.

[@harleyb.birdwhisperer]

@@John-ej5jk Beloved racist values. How charming.

[@nicodas]

Foreign workers are exploited. My cousin came to UK to fix "millennium bug" for a company back in 1998. I went to visit him expecting to see him back from work. He was still at work 10:00 pm. His wife said he sometimes comes home at 1:00 am. I was a software developer at the time. Only difference between me and cousin was that I am born and bred in UK. I knew work life balance but my cousin was exploited by his boss. He made a choice to get exploited and seemed content out of necessity. I left software and gone into teaching. It's not easy to replace us with foreign teachers. Previous governments have tried. Students want teachers who can teach but also be able to bond with them on a local cultural level. This would be very tough for foreign teachers and future AI bots. Even some born and bred locals find It difficult to engage with students.

[@nathanroberson]

Worker are exploited! Origin not a factor. If you work for yourself you are likely to exploit. Yourself. Inherent in a competitive environment. And there is no better environment to support total wellbeing.

[@onebronx]

"Exploited" is such a commie word. He was not exploited. He was willing to work hard to win his place under the sun for himself and his children. This requires a character.

[@aldofromsf]

IT departments with 100% Indian nationals dors not benefit the American labor market.

[@wg8304]

I think Robby would change his mind if he read Eric Weinstein’s paper. The perceived labor “shortage” is created outside of the free market. Also, why do they have to immigrate? If you need the worker, off shore the position.

[@coldguy4926]

The job is still lost. Your bigger problem is losing the job or the Indian? If your job is given to him in the US, he shall pay some tax to the US Govt. If he does your work from Indian, he pays tax to the Indian Government

[@wg8304]

@@coldguy4926 I don’t have a problem with it at all but I’m not well read. But what benefit is there to a profit driven American company to have the employee immigrate -do they get government stipends? The job is there and less overhead if the position is off shored.

[@onebronx]

@@wg8304 Not every job can be offshored (e.g. hardware requiring physical access); and the job that can be offshored either already has been, or in a process of, right now.

[@KentoLeoDragon]

You can get a full k-12 and postgraduate degree in India for around US $7K total. Indian universities churn out advanced degrees and have deals with American employers, recruiters, etc and send them over here where they are designed to be trained by, and then replace American workers who took out a fortune in student loans for advanced degrees rendered useless under the onslaught of Indian, Chinese and European diploma mills that are dirt cheap.

[@user-uskxnfiw729]

What’s more upsetting is they hire the people from the same county and exclude Americans in US. This is very well known even amongst immigrants.

[@freethinksman4393]

This should teach an important lesson. Despite the nativist bent of so many MAGA voters, the reality is that we live in a global society. Not wanting to play along with the rest of the world is not an option unless you want America to fail by comparison. We have the highest standard of living in the world in large part because the dollar is strong and we can buy imported stuff*way* cheaper than we could even hope to make it for. If we stop importing (or levy tariffs on) imported goods and services, we have to pay the premium Americans charge to make or render similar goods and services here. Indians who educate their kids for very little and graduate people willing to work hard for not a lot of money have the upper hand if we let them in. If we don't, we will have to pay our own workers more. You don't think people like Vivek and Elon and Trump are going to pay workers more if it means they make less, do you? When you put billionaires in charge of making money, they will make money... for themselves. They wouldn't be billionaires in the first place otherwise. It's how things work. It's how things have always worked. The brief window where we could buy cheap stuff and other poorer countries were okay with that has shut. Hard. And the ignorance of the average American when it comes to how the world works is just depressing as hell.

[@zroth3734]

Why not question the legitimacy of the USA colleges demanding so much money in exchange for mere paper, the knowledge of which is plenty available on internet free..

[@KentoLeoDragon]

@@freethinksman4393 Not playing along? Most of Silicon Valley is Indian and Chinese immigrants. How is that not playing along?

[@orome9793]

H1Bs do not 'replace American workers' and they are often not cheaper than hiring locally. Offshoring jobs replaces American workers and accounts for many more jobs than H1B does, but nobody seems to want to talk about that. God there is so much misinformation and racism surrounding H1Bs.

[@AngelaSmith-me7et]

Thats right Elon promotes policies that benefit his business.

[@michaeld9682]

America first should include American workers

[@JohnnyRotten-uf6xw]

DEI for Americans!

[@dfnope]

No

[@AswadKafele-r4s]

​@@JohnnyRotten-uf6xw RESPECTFULLY what a complete JOKE. Now you APPROVE of DEI but HOWEVER for African Americans than you was AGAINST DEI. What happened to getting jobs based on your merit?.😂😂😂 I tell you man now when it's NOT "benefiting" the European Race in America then it becomes a problem. Newsflash like Elon Musk and his Indian sidekick MENTIONED y'all just not INTELLIGENT enough this is what they'd WRITTEN for the ENTIRE GLOBE to read. Y'all had VOTED for Donald Trump and he can CARELESS about y'all being ANGRY Donald Trump isn't going to BACK DOWN and nor will Elon Musk because Elon written he'll GO TO WAR so buckle up y'all are in a LONG ride for the next (4) years. 😂😂😂😂

[@udb_music]

For that you need to be skilled as well.

[@frederickharriman9779]

Amber won this debate.

[@JohnnyRotten-uf6xw]

DEI for Europeans and their descendants lol.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

⁠@@JohnnyRotten-uf6xw no, opportunity and competition for Americans, regardless of background. High competition within the borders of the USA. Protectionism from the rest of the globe where necessary. Facilitating continued competition without harming, the domestic citizen and becoming reliant on the rest of the globe to a detrimental degree. That should be the baseline understanding of America First.

[@blindfaith8777]

Arguing that the American people are too dumb and lazy, and that the solution to that problem is to defund the department of education and bypass the American population through visas is just flat out insane. I love Vivek's passion for the American spirit, and Musk's ingenuity, but we need people in government who fight to empower the American people.

[@rsimpson69]

Do you think the dept of education is living up to its cost? If you can't imagine a better education, maybe your opinion on better education shouldn't be considered, eh?

[@blindfaith8777]

@@rsimpson69 It should be reformed.

[@blindfaith8777]

@@izdatsumcp We shouldn't ignore state input. We should have a department of education that does research on how to improve student learning. I want kids in elementary school doing calculus. I want to maximize the potential of our students. The federal government should do research and share their findings.

[@nathanroberson]

It will take 25yrs to get a stream of educated hometown kids educated correctly again.

[@Uarehere]

I don't see how the Department of Education is helpful in the least. Since its inception, college tuitions have increased over 1,000%! I'm starting to think that's by design. Those poor employers just can't afford expensive American workers with their expensive educations. How convenient.

[@charlesballiet7074]

funny how in 2024 all these tech giants were letting go 25% of their workforces I dont think they didn't have enough labor

[@Squibtorious]

25% of the workforce wasn't exclusively engineers. This whole H1B thing, from the tech side, is about engineers.

[@jamesshaffer4694]

Make employers pay H1 B visa holders 150% of the mean for that job. That prevents using it to undercut wages. If these people are really so unique then employers should be happy.

[@TK-gm2zr]

The other thing about the ads is that in the process of drafting the “job requirements” they will tailor it to match the education and work experience of the foreign worker that they have already preselected that they want to hire. The more specific the better because it makes it less likely that any American will step forward. If by some chance a perfectly qualified does step forward, they will pull the ad, redraft the requirements so that their preselected foreign worker still qualifies but the American no longer does, and then they will try again running the ad.

[@MiscMitz]

My great-grandparents met building rockets (pretty sure NASA) after being brought here for that. I wouldn't be here if not for that. However, the current system is definitely being abused.

[@charliedarwin8481]

Sorry Robby, you’re totally out to lunch on this one. Amber has you dead to rights. ,

[@JohnnyRotten-uf6xw]

DEI for Europeans ,haha.

[@zfl1981]

It's not a lack of talent but a lack of willingness to pay a higher salary to American workers compared to the lower salaries they can pay H1B workers. It's a salary race to the bottom.

[@onebronx]

Lack of willingness to pay a higher salary is morally no different than lack of willingness to work harder for the same salary -- either party wants to have more and pay less.

[@gamkal7231]

You can't improve American education by throwing money at it. You improve it by setting standards and enforcing them, like in the old days, by letting teachers teach and apply them. With no more giving in to screaming parents who demand that their kids pass without having done a lick of work.

[@troyfencl]

The solution is a 100% payroll tax on H1B. That money is then used to fund training programs for U.S. citizens. If it’s truly about bringing the best and brightest and can’t fill the position they will pay it. PS after laughing at the Disney employees I think Robby needs to be replaced and train his replacement.

[@JohnnyRotten-uf6xw]

Isn't this a meritocracy? 'Americans' should pick themselves up by their bootstraps, which is the advice many folks like to recommend to less-fortunate minorities.

[@walkerb9955]

⁠​⁠@@JohnnyRotten-uf6xwthe difference is that these people coming from foreign countries pay far less for their qualifications (a bachelors in India is way cheaper than a bachelors in the US). Moreover, American wages are worth more in India. Therefore, Indians coming to the USA have fewer expenses and less debt than Americans. This means Americans require higher wages than Indians to afford a similar standard of living (ie families and education). Meanwhile, universities and the gov offer tuition assistance for low income and minority students. Adjusting the scales for those dis-enfranchised students

[@JohnnyRotten-uf6xw]

@@walkerb9955 Many black people say those things about system discrimination. Merit is merit, if we must only care about output, why nuance it now? The companies looking at their bottom lines believe they are much better for business.

[@JohnnyRotten-uf6xw]

@@walkerb9955 I believe those decisions are for the companies to make, which is how capitalism operates.

[@slippery9221]

Robby is wrong

[@cherylfonseca]

Myself and other highly skilled and educated IT engineers were phased out of a huge international financial institution with the ‘cream of the crop’ from India. It really was a scam, they didn’t know the basics and we had to train them for years so they could take over our jobs. We have amazing IT talent right here in the USA! You get what you pay for. (Said financial institution is no more because of this disaster).

[@onebronx]

If only there were amazing thoroughbred American-born businessmen who would truly value those amazing thoroughbred American-born IT talents, and who would created purely US-based companies, hiring solely those shining US talents for their excellence, and rejecting those dirty cheap immigrants --- then America would become Great Again, right? ... Right?

[@Robert-Feeds-The-Machine]

Immigration causes the whole team to win but only I get the prize money

[@0_ManMade_0]

Put tariffs on h1b workers to make it more expensive to hire h1b workers than Americans. That way, we will truly get the top 0.1%.

[@DangRenBo]

As I say elsewhere, you could just set the minimum salary to double the national average for that job category, and the issue would probably sort itself out. But I'm actually opposed to H1B and would prefer expedited green cards.

[@zigzag321go]

Tariffs always get paid by the consumers, or in this case, the workers. It'll only hurt them.

[@0_ManMade_0]

@@zigzag321go Please explain how requiring companies to pay tariffs on h1b workers could possibly hurt non-h1b workers. I am genuinely curious.

[@shrink0001]

I’m a South African psychologist in the US on an O1 visa and my wife is a business professor on an H1-B. We both have PhD’s and have worked in our industries for 15 years, specializing and gaining a unique skillset that we have not yet encountered in the US in the environments where we work. The costs involved in immigration attorneys and visa processes were so much that it was equal to half the value of our house in South Africa. Believe me if I say that it wasn’t cheap. Additionally, we had to prove our worth through international awards that we received, testimonials from world experts in our fields, and media appearances where our opinions were sought. It was a pain in the ass to get permission to stay here for just 3 years, before we have to go through the whole process again. Sorry about the rant, but this gives some context.

[@NJtwentyone]

A true libertarian wouldn’t even have citizenship, so no need for visas. Why even recognize corporations, then you wouldn’t even need a government.

[@junek8700]

This lady is extremely sharp. I've subscribed for her alone. The guy sounds like a complete idiot though, so I may end up unsubscribing in the future as a result.

[@paxiahern2383]

We must have a PHD with 30 years of experience with MS SQL 2004.002c.003 rev 7!

[@marksutton5540]

Steve Bannon makes an important point. I live among a very large population of Indians in Northern Virginia. It looks to me they work insanely long hours and I don't see them moving to the upper middle class.

[@rsimpson69]

Maybe it's better to have money, than to look like you have money?

[@JohnnyRotten-uf6xw]

70k is the lower cap on H1Bs. Even if hypothetically they were being underpaid, that's a decent amount of money on make if you're not at the coasts, where the USCIS-defined floor is higher.

[@missingdog-princess]

Indians in usa has highest per capita and they don't look upper middle clas to magas😂

[@coldguy4926]

They are saving for their kids and future..they don't have any life. Lifeless robots. They will also eventually be replaced by Musk's rohotsy

[@zahradaniel5895]

I don’t Stan, many people come to USA to get Hight education but Same time they saying American cannot do the job Cause they not well educated can someone explain to me American they job is being outsourbring H1b visa they bring people from other countries What happened to America first?

[@philathea80]

I keep saying this: Trump isn’t conservative.

[@foristrothbert568]

Nor is a single lolbertarian. They're much further left than Trump.

[@gregborsch]

You're right, Trump isn't conservative, but a broken clock is right twice a day. "They're stealing American jobs" is the same entitlement mentality rampant among the progressive left, just in another form. If you are conservative, you should oppose entitlement mentality. Jobs in America don't necessarily belong to Americans, they belong to the company, and the company should be able to choose who they hire. Also, saying jobs belong to a large collective of people sounds like socialism, not conservatism.

[@Paul-A01]

I do not want someone who will conserve the existing system

[@johncronin6977]

@@gregborsch conservative economics has historically been protectionist capitalism (tariffs and industrial policy), not libertarianism. Protecting the family unit from the ravages of unregulated capitalism through unions, child labor laws and tariffs to build industries is as conservative as it gets. Republicans from Lincoln to Eisenhower were economic nationalists , not completely free market libertarians

[@foristrothbert568]

@@Paul-A01 Nor do I. The existing system was not built by anyone with actual conservative principles or morals. It is a far left, postmodern, antiwhite, tyrannical nightmare state.

[@droptableaccount1820]

Americans are not interchangeable economic units.

[@drweetabix]

No human is

[@underballbutter]

​@@drweetabixand humans aren't interchangeable with Americans

[@freethinksman4393]

Unfortunately, they are exactly that. Not believing it won't change reality. And making billionaires the arbiters of what the ordinary American worker is worth will prove it.

[@coldguy4926]

They are..these corporates have global operations. They can hire anywhere..sell anywhere. Make anywhere

[@droptableaccount1820]

@freethinksman4393 Nope, we the people set immigration policy in this country. Billionaires have a lot of power but that is not one of them.

[@richspizzaparty]

Amber will bring sense to the table because Robby is lost on this issue. He'd have kids in coal mines again.

[@austinbrockling7925]

The children yearn for the mines

[@FilmFlam-8008]

No, he would have kids programming and doing STEM work early.

[@TheAIKnowledgeHub]

I've noticed that. When the girl was using logic on if you train your replacement, the obviously an American can do the job. Then he jump to, he trust the ceo more than anything else. The fact is, I have seen even in this year saying you need to have 35 years experience of andriod development for a programming position. Andriod has only been out since 2007. If you lie, then they will mentioned you lied or say you aren't a good fit and go with the foreign worker. Hell, there was a guy who developed a coding language and when he went for a job they said he didn't have enough experience in the coding language and enough years in it. And they went with some under paid Indian guy who started coding 5 years ago. Even if you have a background in stems or degrees in such. Getting a job in it is nearly impossible due to the corruption. I have 4 degrees and I'm overqualified or under qualified depending on who is looking at the paper. So screw that guy and screw musk. And screw anyone who agrees with them calling Americans lazy, mentally retarded, and so on.

[@traiforse5777]

He already stated he'll be okay with third world sweatshops in America, because the workers "would consent to that condition"

[@JohnSmith-sm6mu]

@@traiforse5777and if they consent to that labour what would be the problem with that?

[@フ乇キキ尺リムレ-w1r]

You wanna bring anyone? Then why does USA have borders and citizenship

[@npatel7775]

So that you don't go outside.

[@philhiller-mn1gw]

Some people just don't get it 😊

[@ThatsPurdeeNeet-i4h]

.....box of rocks.....

[@traiforse5777]

Left Libertarian like Rob believes that America should basically be a huge enterprise. He already stated that he is not bothered by immigration, because they can be paid cheaper. He also approved bringing Chinese sweatshops work conditions to America. The goal is to make things cheaper. This is a part of Libertarianism that is too far for me. And why most times, I lean more towards Amber and MAGA.

[@benjamindover4337]

@@フ乇キキ尺リムレ-w1r to keep citizens from escaping?

[@Joseph_Beck]

Salary cutoff seems an obvious knob to tweak here. Why not increase the minimum for H1b for $150k? Or have more visas for higher salary bands. You want to pay someone $500k/year? Ok, unlimited number of visas at that level. A high number of $250k+, and a smaller number of $150k+.

[@johnmiller8553]

So lets import foreigners and put them at the top tiers of our economic structure over Americans who need those jobs. Americans are not stupid or lazy - Induans are not intrisically better than us. We gave been hoodwinked by a liberal higher education system - this needs to be reformed not selling out our own people fir other cultures.

[@troyfencl]

No, I think a 100% payroll tax and that money goes to training programs

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

Any good job goes to China. Any secondary job is outsourced to Indua. Lower grade jobs stay in USA and go to the H1-B imports. Any job low enough to be done by red hats, goes to Elon Musk's army of A.I. robots. Honestly, what good are Americans ?

[@crissd8283]

I would go for having to pay a prevailing wage and a 40% income tax on those wages. Then companies would have no financial incentive to hire these people over US citizens and we can get more tax dollars.

[@Joseph_Beck]

@@crissd8283 "prevailing wage" is open to shenanigans in how it is computed, and fights from lawyers afterwards. Neither appeals to me. Also, I don't want to try to attract average candidates. A structure that lets us attract the top few percents of STEM talent would be great. Or even creative writing, if there's someone who fantastic folks will cough up $500k per year for him.

[@DangRenBo]

I completely oppose H1B, but not immigration for high value immigrants. If those people are highly qualified, and those skills are needed, then just give them an expedited green card that will allow them to actually be in the general labor pool. The H1B program should be completely dismantled, but I'm open to a middle-ground -- set the minimum salary to double the median salary for that job category.

[@user-uskxnfiw729]

I have worked as a software engineer at several big tech so I know what goes on. Majority of the H1B goes to single country because they prefer hiring from their country and also promote theirs to replace the managers and directors to theirs eventually. Think about why their home country haven’t produced a single tech company despite having an army of engineers. It is abused and needs to have a county quota at minimum. I was disappointed at Vivek that he is another one who wants the people of same culture to come over here.

[@orome9793]

"Majority of the H1B goes to single country because they prefer hiring from their country" NO, the majority of H1B goes to India because one the back log for green cards is over 100 years (this is because of per country caps) making it nearly impossible for Indian immigrants to become citizens through employment. India is also a tech hub with many highly educated and motivated individuals looking to immigrate. It's not some nefarious reason but simply supply and demand with a DEI based immigration system (as opposed to being merit based). This whole debate is rooted in racism.

[@user-uskxnfiw729]

@ Nope. It has nothing to do with green card cap nor racism. NEWLY issued H1B allocation of 70% to single country is a different matter from green card backlog. Country limit in GC was in place long before they even knew about this country not to mention the population was significantly less than today as well. Hence, they didn’t target the current majority country. Racism is much more prevalent in the less developed countries as well. This is why one country is taking up the majority. Speaking of talent, there is distinction between talent and politics. Ask any of the immigrants engineers, and you will learn they all think there is rampant nepotism in tech hiring. All countries do this but some countries do this more. Country quota prevents single country from dominating and preventing other groups including Americans and other immigrants from getting in. Talent is very overrated. I know much more of tech companies in UK, Finland, Germany, Japan, Taiwan, and Poland. I don’t know of any companies known to have leading technology from others. China makes up only 16% of H1B. We know their technology is at a level that threatens US and they publish more in scientific journals than US.

[@macsnafu]

I keep saying this, but nobody seems to care. Immigration policy is one of the things that politicians are selling. It's not about indentured servitude--that's nonsense. It's in the self-interest of politicians to maintain a patchwork policy, which is why they're never willingly going to push for entirely open OR entirely closed borders. So whichever side of the immigration argument that you're on, you lose.

[@dariusvilla5680]

Anything bad news for H1-B seekers or holders is good news to native US born college grad 🎓 advanced career position hunters like me. Make us room Apu! This is exactly why Im right leaning libertarian rather than open borders supporting classic libertarian. I have filed tens of job applications to qualifying career positions in the past 8+ months since I graduated, I have yet to be accepted into an advanced career position for my field and I keep working at BurgerFi despite being a 130 IQ college grad. One college job fair experience I had shows it all: I have been blocked in front of by Indian college students, probably H1-B holders for a Fish and Wildlife desk. This is exactly how US born youth and college grads are being treated.

[@crissd8283]

The fact that you are bragging about your IQ in this post is disappointing. Only idiots brag about their IQ.

[@coltorl]

Congratulations on proving the adage true: only losers brag about their IQ

[@michelleautore2945]

I despise Bannon, but, he's right.

[@rexstuff4655]

Two intelligent, informed people having a respectful debate over a controversial issue? Where am I? What century is this?

[@karenlincoln8206]

See it's not just about the business it's also about America and being strong!

[@Quilt4Joy]

Robby, are you willing to give up your job to a more qualified Indian? I’m sure we can find one, plus he will work for less pay. However, you can train him on your way out the door, just in case he’s not totally qualified. Robby, you’re just a tad bit too mediocrity for the position. 😂. You gotta go. LOL

[@platoscavealum902]

✅ Trump agrees with Robby.

[@su80061]

You said America First.

[@TheHauntedKiwi]

They never said anything about American workers. Just the American masters.

[@FreeMan4096]

"guys look, those people are willing to work under utter mental and physical exploitation for our profit, because it beats their current system. How come you are not willing to work so equally hard?! you shall be replaced then! #teamwinning!"

[@mleon12]

You can't blame Elon, he is just trying to recover his investment in Trump's campaign. What is better than paying an engineer half their salary?

[@zigzag321go]

Not paying them at all! He should find an engineer who's in prison right now. Who needs indentured servitude when you can have slave labor!

[@RichardKawelo]

This is a condemnation of our public school system in America which has been broken for decades. Get rid of the U.S. DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION and give parents school choice nation wide.

[@lindaclemens8590]

I think reform is needed in the program. Meritocracy is important, but keeping Americans first and keeping foreign pay equal has to be debated. Cheaper labor should not be the reason for not hiring an equally qualified American.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

Have opportunity and competition for Americans in America, regardless of background. High competition within the borders of the USA. Protectionism from the rest of the globe where necessary. Facilitating continued competition without harming, the domestic citizen and becoming reliant on the rest of the globe to a detrimental degree. That should be the baseline understanding of America First.

[@johns9969]

There is a 01B visa for exceptional professionals. Also, China is moving HARD on automation, NOT mass immigration.

[@GamerPro-g5y]

I'm amazed that h1b is being talked about now. Most of the problems with it were already removed 7 years ago. Most of the h1bs now are now utilized by deep tech companies or amazon. This will result in problems for companies and they will start moving jobs outside of us. For example, while amazon is headquartered in the USA, it has a big footprint in India and Europe. So they can theoretically just argue that the job needs to be a worldwide role while putting up a job outside the USA for US operations. It should be a nuanced approach where you are empowering US workers and also increasing the capabilities of a business. In my opinion this should not be first priority for any government when it doesn't kill the country or affect the culture. AI will take out most of the coder jobs very soon anyway

[@jeannelively]

SO REFRESHING TO LISTEN TO YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE SO INTERESTING, INTELLIGENT, AND HAVE A COMMON SENSE TAKE ON ISSUES OF THE DAY. THANK YOU IMMENSELY. I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR SHOW EACH DAY. 🌻🌹

[@jamesdc9595]

Libertarian Americans supporting mass immigration as a philosophical point to their own practical detriment will never not be frustrating. Like you acknowledge that corporations and government are corrupt and commiserate across all issues, that includes importing low-wage foreign labor to undercut the American middle class. Saying ‘Americans should work longer hours for less pay to remain competitive’ just underscores the differing philosophical points of nature: do people exist to work and grow the GDP, or do they exist to live life, raise families, and support their communities?

[@foristrothbert568]

I've been saying it for the longest time that libertarians are essentially socialists by other means. They may say they want freedom and private property, but in the end, their utter indifference to any sort of standards or ethical considerations, and their inability to see people as anything more than cogs in the machine makes their view really no different than the far left. Both want mass immigration, both want degeneracy, both want atomized and braindead populations - they just get to the same place in different ways and for different reasons. Socialists take the linear path, but libertarians take the circuitous route.

[@jamesdc9595]

@ the social policies libertarians have been touting have proved an abject failure with our current society: drug legalization has led to the masses of violent street shitters like the west coast, sexual liberalization has led to the moral degeneracy that everyone said was just a fallacious slippery slope panic, justice reform has emboldened violent criminality. Borderless trade in a global economy has only depressed the living standards of the first world with outsourcing while third world migrants have lowered wages at home, brought incompatible cultural norms, and helped shrink the middle class. Libertarian policies and truly free trade can work and should be the goal, just look at countries like Switzerland or Lichtenstein, but it’s only achievable to the benefit of the average citizen in those high trust, homogenous societies with widely accepted moral and cultural norms

[@wolflarson71]

Missing the point. Preventing peaceful consenting adults from doing business (locally or globally) violates libertarian normative first principles. Objections like "degeneracy" or "atomization" are irrelevant as far as libertarianism and is a Conservative objection more appropriate to the Left that favors open borders.

[@jamesdc9595]

@ you’ve missed MY point, in that what use are libertarian platitudes in a Dickensian slum brought about by strict adherence to those principles without regard to the reality of your society? I WANT to live in a libertarian society, in an anarchist society even more so, but those principles have proven to be unrealistic in a multicultural society filled with those who aren’t intrinsically motivated to act on them. Of anything, that is the leftist attitude, in refusing to critique that which is evident out of political correctness

[@wolflarson71]

@@jamesdc9595 I agree libertarianism whether anarchism or minarchism is unrealistic at this time since society prefers statism/cronyism/favoritism but that doesn't make libertarianism wrong. Free enterprise in North Korea might be a short term disaster but it's not wrong because it won't work now.

[@darksahde]

Maybe just increase minimal salary requirement for the H1B and make it more expensive to hire foreign worker, make it last solution rather than first solution.

[@thenditharam]

All the visa categories require some reforms. The middle men companies need to be cutout. Its the middlemen thats spoiling these visa programs.

[@JacobAnawalt]

Maybe a bill to increase H1-B visas should only allow direct hires to the company needing the skill and not to staffing/contacting firms.

[@julies6469]

Robbie, you are wrong! You lost me at "you trust" the companies. Give me a break. I remember when Robbie was telling us vaccines were safe and effective.

[@Horse-c2t]

Of course they want to lower wages. If you had an Indian doctor, you know what I’m talking about.

[@ericwilson2907]

We need to, in conjunction with these VISAS, address mthe reasons why we need to look outward for intelectual talent, and, it is not just less $ that CEO's are driven to look outward, it is talent and work ethic, given ...

[@That_OneGuy46]

The O-1b program already invited the kind of people we want, the high intelligence workers. H-1b allows immigrants to take any random job, for example a company can import someone on a H-1b visa to be a janitor, that only benefits the business because they can pay them a lower wage.

[@fanniinnanetguy653]

Okay let's get this straight. 1) You cannot pay a H-1B visa holder a lower wage. H-1B visa is only issued when the company pays the applicant the prevailing wage for his profession in that specific geographical area. 2) H1B visas are NOT issued to janitors. The applicant have to have a 4 year degree or a 2 year degree with several years of experience, and be working in a field directly related to their major.

[@That_OneGuy46]

@@fanniinnanetguy653 So when people show that janitor jobs and 7-Eleven cashier jobs exist on the program as job options, that is fake evidence?

[@fanniinnanetguy653]

@@That_OneGuy46 Probably yes. US has many unskilled labor visas but H-1B is not one of them.

[@John-ej5jk]

Amber Duke bringing the fire as usual! Keep it up! 🔥 Robbie continuing to bumble through his flawed lolbertarian reasoning as usual.

[@73patlee]

All these visa holders should have to register for the draft.

[@debraalcala4783]

All of the kid sports that are now awarding for participation and not highly promoting winning, have lower expectations.

[@foristrothbert568]

Well, by the logic of the left and lolbertarians, we should kick all the kids off the team, import foreign kids to play on the team, and then win all the games. I mean, what else should we do? Actually try to get OUR kids to improve and win? That's just racism.

[@akoben]

OMG! Corporations want to save money!

[@Uarehere]

Yes, and it's rather convenient that indentured, foreign workers can't form a union.

[@barbaraatkinson2204]

What about all the jobs offshored that’s even worse

[@ramshambo2001]

The idea that a competitive Silicon Valley company would hire an inferior candidate to save a few bucks laughable.

[@jg79100]

Have you worked in a Silicon Valley company? This is quite literally what is happening.

[@ericew]

Visa should be applied to the person not the job. They should be allowed to come over to work in sectors of the market earmarked to grow the American economy with limits based on unemployment rates as well as inflation/housing pressure. We should be scaling back visa approvals as unemployment OR housing pressure rises. We've seen what uncapped immigration has done to many countries around the world and it's a disaster without some about of planning and accounting for how much the local economy can absorb without having major negative consequences in the mid and long term. Visa holders charged with serious crimes or crimes of violence or deception should face immediate expulsion, no theft, no fraud, no DV. After 10 years they should be provided a streamlined path to citizenship if they want to stay.

[@dcoderjr]

Robbie... Im Libertarian so I get being supportive of a free market. The few well paid Americans competing with 3rd world indentured servants is not free market. They are not better. I have worked with them. They come to us to ask us how to do things just like anyone else. If we require certain human rights then it becomes more fair but the ruling class is just trying to get as close to slavery as possible by twisting our legal system unfairly. That is not a free market.

[@onebronx]

Definition: "Indentured servitude is a form of labor in which a person is contracted to work *without* salary for a specific number of years." H1B workers receive salary for their job, and it is pretty high salary, far from definition of "indentured", I can assure you as a former H1B holder. Most H1B holders see it as a route to Green Card and citizenship, so it serves as a good field test for their working ethics and allows to filter out wrong people before granting them citizenship (unlike, say, the Diversity Visa).

[@dcoderjr]

@onebronx I'm glad it worked out for you. The problem is too often H1B visas are abused and not just doing what you described. I'd also argue you may not have been aware of the salaries of your US peers. Sharing personal experiences, earlier in my career I worked for a company that hired hundreds of H1Bs each year. As a low level manager I learned they were not only the lowest paid but the company also forced them to rent horrible living conditions from them. The places the company got these workers from were struggling economies so they worked constant overtime to be able to pay terrible living rates and make up for the low wages. For them it was still more financially beneficial and since they had no family or friends besides coworkers they were fine doing doubles every day. Making American workers compete with people coming from desperate economies across the globe throws off the employment supply and demand with people who are desperate and will be deported if they challenge the rules. Do you think Elon Musk will pay an American Harvard grad and an H1B employee the same? Furthermore, this idea the billionaires are pushing that foreign workers are better is false. We are all human so some people being desparate and being willing to be mistreated by American labor standards doesn't make them better workers from any perspective besides labor exploitation. They feel indebted to their companies when employment is supposed to be a mutually beneficial situation not one where one party is indebted to the other. Hence my reference to indentured servitude. It is a figure of speech to convey a deeper meaning quickly. You may have worked somewhere more ethical than many other H1B programs but the real issues are 1) Why are our school systems producing students who prefer psychology and business degrees? (There are reasons) 2)Why do billionaires prefer H1Bs if they're not actually "better workers"?

[@dcoderjr]

​@onebronx my original response to you seems to have been taken down for some reason but I have personal experiences working with H1B visas in both skilled and unskilled labor and what you describe would be less problematic but too often that isn't the case. Hopefully I'm allowed to say this much at least...

[@onebronx]

@dcoderjr idk where you see unskilled H1b workers. This visa requires a degree or proven work experience. You may conflate H1B with other types of visas, like H2A for seasonal agriculture workers

[@jimbones155]

H1-B is fine as long as employers aren't bringing in these people to reduce their payroll.

[@MoneyMaker-pu1rj]

there is already Eb1 visa (Nobel Prize, Scientist Visa).

[@foristrothbert568]

That's what they're doing. If H1Bs were about hiring the best people from around the world, other nations would be competing with us for them. They're not. China doesn't need legions of third world street shitters because they already pay their people slave wagers and can simply train them via force for what they need. Free people require incentives.

[@jamesdc9595]

@@jimbones155 except that’s exactly what they’re doing

[@user-uskxnfiw729]

H1B has been abused primarily by one country so they keep hiring the people from their county while rejecting Americans. 70% of H1B goes to single country. We need a country quota

[@mhanna7878]

Man oh man, the dude here doesn't have a clue, sorry but yes, about how the hiring manager and his/her own "convictions" is 99% of the power of who gets the job. Tell me, would you like to hire someone who is 100% against your convictions but 100% can do the job? Or perhaps you find someone okay technically but she/he is almost identical to your convictions? Look at the breakdown of the tech teams ethnicity, religion and language in the last 15 years. I know great white tech people that can't find a job in the last 3/4 years because of their age, race, and political ideology 😢😢😢 How sad it's for us not able to identify that non Americans may not share the same values like Americans, but instead assume that they are 😢😢😢

[@MollyT-zk4ch]

So many scammers trying to make these guys look bad so they can continue scamming. Goodbye to the imposters.❤❤❤

[@yewo.m]

12:09 - Yeah, we don't need everyone to become an engineer or programmer. Even entertainers make a significant contribution to society

[@marymcsweeny8488]

Our education system declined when they decided that no one could be left behind. They started teaching to the lowest level, reducing the overall academic level. Then, they started teaching for the tests, ignoring everything else. Our academic level has declined a great deal since I went to school.

[@gee2190]

You are the First one who is telling the truth ....

[@onebronx]

Reading the comment section only affirms that H1B is a necessity

[@clipboarder]

Musk is right. This is not even worth talking about when we have millions of illegal immigrants. H1B should be improved but it’s a value add for this country.

[@katiez688]

Its true. But the reason we need them is because the affluent class refuses to adequately fund education and approve curriculum that is actually effective (eg Phonics) in average public schools. They prefer to let other countries fund education for their people and then steal their talent. Meanwhile Americans are left behind.

[@marcodunn3447]

Making America great doesn't mean making it Indian.

[@hvalenti]

Bc irregularity x, therefore more irregularity -- the "fuck it" policy?

[@clipboarder]

@@hvalenti the H1B program is a value add for this country, and it is being used to distract from the real issues.

[@zigzag321go]

Yes, but it's value lost to American citizens

[@surfersup100]

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Robbie, for your comment on grades not being the final say in success, or ability to succeed, etc.

[@tfjones78]

The solution is for the government to tax the foreign workers ... think of it like a Tariff on employment. Instead of $15ph they get $5ph or similar. It would solve the immigration problem.

[@Uarehere]

*Robbie "Always Trust Corporations" Soave* making his best case. 😅

[@michaelholt7073]

Amber Duke provided legitimate facts in this video.

[@wilhathaway1987]

Robby is wrong and sounds like a 🤡

[@ryuichimiyazaki5620]

I find it weird that although I agree with the principle that we should hire the best and brightest from other countries The conversation is always about the H1-B which has a lot of issues. No one is talking about the EB-2 Visa with requires either a Masters or PhD, or 5 years related experience and doesn't use a lottery system Why not just expand EB-2 or other similar Visas?

[@JacobAnawalt]

While it’s never accurate to generalize and cases can be found across the spectrum, I believe the H1-B program is very abused and highly gamed. Most employers want it not because no one else can do the job, but because they can pay less. Sometimes it is enough less that they can ignore some loss in productivity or quality, especially with a short term focus on hitting investor and bonus metrics. They can get away with this because they hold all the leverage. I am not against increasing work visa availability, but our current programs are too easily gamed and abused. Any bill that increases the available amount needs more/different teeth to lower employer leverage, perhaps excluding staffing firms and only allowing direct hires, and doing a better job making sure these aren’t just a way to pay lower wages.

[@lethalintersection]

I just feel like there is a conpromise to this topic noone is talking about

[@zachjones6944]

Indentured servitude is not libertarian.

[@matthewjohnston1400]

True, but they are not indentured servants. They are free to leave.

[@onebronx]

“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means”

[@ashay33]

I am on H1B for last 12 years and have switched jobs 8 times without re applying for new h1b. So that lady is absolutely wrong. Do some research guys. Also 100k is low income in SF and it high income in arkansas.

[@JacobAnawalt]

Switched jobs and employers, or just jobs? I’ve seen exactly what she said play out. You may have had luck in your employment which is great, but the majority of h1bs are controlled by a few staffing companies who take a big cut and push their employees they contract out with a carrot and stick.

[@TeddyCorcoran]

What happens to the 65k from 2023? This is too much.

[@nathanroberson]

9:54 the moment I started to hear her diction I hit the stop button. I wish I could pallet it. But I can hear but a moment before it turns me away.

[@alexkruse312]

"degree in good recommendations" 🤣🤣