Magic 30th Anniversary - WHATS THE POINT!?

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[@firefly5677]

We sure went from "this product isn't for you" to "this company isn't for you" at record speed

[@gameguru42392]

Yall just now noticing that

[@youtubeshadowbannedmylasta2629]

I'm thinking flesh and blood I only gotta couple hundred grand tied up in magic and every day that passes wotc tell me they don't need my money.

[@subzero308]

Exactly fuck WoTC

[@bricknolty5478]

@@youtubeshadowbannedmylasta2629 WotC killed the competitive scene, and are giving less support to LGS's every year. With less Magic being played at sanctioned events even less, prices are gonna drop.

[@DM-qm5sc]

Epic wokeness

[@seantzizl]

I would have paid 2-300 dollars for a full set of wizards officially printed proxies, like collectors edition 2. For the price they are asking, Ill pay 50 bucks to get a set from China that looks fine in a sleeve for casual play proxies.

[@greghaslam1988]

This!

[@thomaskiser3886]

Exactly

[@Steve-si8hx]

Yes

[@kanehardie484]

And they would have still made a boat load of money and not driven even more people to the cheap proxie/counterfeiters.

[@stanmann571]

I’d have paid 2-3k. And even 5k for a one with everything would’ve been viable

[@lostingreenbay]

To raise profits! For $1,000 might as well just buy actual duals.

[@isambo400]

But you could instead buy the opportunity to open fake duals!

[@Flotube444]

@@isambo400 There are very beautiful proxies by really good artists. For 6bucks.

[@kennethmarkwith4678]

'The box could be anything, it could be a boat' - Peter Griffin

[@jessicastevens538]

I'm getting $1000 duals on whatnot right now for $300 a pop lol all the Timmies are panick selling not understanding that wizards proxies are more expensive then the alpha versions lol.

[@guybrushthreepwood8174]

I have been following magic for a long time. and i don't think i've EVER heard THIS MANY prominent mtg content creators and even other random people and smaller creators saying, "WHO IS THIS PRODUCT FOR????" about a product to this extent. its wild

[@putonghua73]

When I first heard about the 30th Anniversary Ed, I did think "Good ol' Wizards. Like Goldman [Sachs] - never change" as I naively believed that they were selling proxies of the Power 9 for $1k. I never thought in my wildest dreams that WotC would have the fucking gall to actually sell 4 packs of randomized proxies - RANDOMIZED! - for $1k!

[@youtubeshadowbannedmylasta2629]

@@putonghua73 damn that's not milking the cow completely dry is it, the saddest part is I know a dude who will be buying these and nothing I say will change his mind.

[@justicedemocrat9357]

The product is for your fat mom.

[@antoniumsolutions1791]

They saw how much people were paying for Spiderman Metal Universe cards and think they are leaving money on the table. The only way to stop this behavior is to not buy it. The sad thing is that they don't lose anything if the packs don't sell. After all they are just cardboard rectangles to Hasbro. Let the stores and distributors overpay and let the community reject them. Boycott 30!!!!

[@HSSG7]

Preach. The moment we buy it. We're telling WotC that we're perfectly ok with paying $250+ for a current, in print 15 card booster pack. That doesn't even have to be tournament legal

[@mantislazuli]

That won't work, this is not a democracy. WotC fully knows 99.999% of the customer base won't buy this $1,000 product. They are selling it to speculators with a lot of capital, who indeed will buy out this product, no question asked. This product will sell like hot cakes to these people. The one thing you, as a player can actually do to punish WotC, is to stop buying ANY new products sold by WotC until this stops. Of course, more than 95% of the customer base won't do that, so it will not work either. I've stopped buying any new product from WotC since 2019, only playing Old School, Old Frame EDH and Premodern, and every time I see this kind of BS from WotC I know I took the right decision. I think that's the only thing you can do to actually protest against WotC's business practices.

[@qlcrane8019]

There is no way they wont sell. It will literally be all bought by people who want to hold them unopened to let them gain value or by people who want to quickly just sell it further on ebay for 2-3x the price

[@qlcrane8019]

@Always On It Sales of this product don't mean anything. It will 100% completely get sold out and it is basically just a testing ground how high wotc can jack up the prices. They make so much new product right now that their sales will go up no matter what

[@lordofgarbageprogenitoroft4147]

@Always On It ce lotuses are 5000$

[@GeekTalkVideos]

As a loan officer in the mortgage industry this video didn’t need to hurt me like this

[@adrianlearns]

Steak dinners in 2021 ramen in 2022

[@MTG69]

@@adrianlearns uncanny comment.

[@bensolo7217]

Just closed on my first home purchase today. If it weren't for being practically forced into doing it, I'd never have imagined buying a house in the midst of one of the worst times in history to buy. Frickin appraisal at exactly the sale price... after that price moved north 3 times in negotiation. Then , whoa, magic trick! It's worth exactly what we've settled on! No found equity for you! Just hyper inflated sale price that will have me upside down in just a couple years when the market chills out. Biggest financial decision I've ever made, and I'm sad as hell.

[@GeekTalkVideos]

Don’t be sad as hell! Real estate appreciates 5% annually on average regardless of the market. We aren’t seeing a massive spike in supply of new affordable homes so you should still expect a 15% return after 3 years minimum. The way things are regulated the odds of an 08’ style crash are slim to none AND rates should level off or drop in 12-24 months where we should have a refi boom, you’ll get a better rate and potentially drop PMI if you have it and start seeing some substantial monthly savings. Congrats on closing on your house!

[@bensolo7217]

@@GeekTalkVideos thank you. Seriously. Thank you. Yeah I got PMI, couldn't put 20 down. I really appreciate the encouragement. I'm gonna continue drinking now. 😂

[@raidenex]

I'd love to see the Lock-Picking Lawyer's opinion on those 'graded locks' the insurance companies require.

[@aa-tx7th]

faster is always better -_^

[@randominternet5586]

You are not understanding the point. The point is that even if you have insurance, you may not have insurance, and it's a pain to stay up on the requirements / claim denial loopholes. The insurance company will deny your claim if you had the right lock but can't prove it (taken / destroyed), if you had the wrong lock, if you had the right lock at policy inception but didn't notice a change in a renewal on "standards".

[@mfdoom1898]

There's really nothing like sitting down and looking at some of your cards.

[@nerv007]

Just to look, sort, or even think about building something just with what you got.

[@randomsanctum]

MTGLion admitted he's setting up bots to buy the 30th Anniversary boxes. Vintage Magic (aka the guy who never stopped talking while Rudy and The Professor battled) also wants to buy them. That right there should tell you EVERYTHING you need to know about who that product is directed towards, and that you should all STAY AWAY.

[@dylanfarley8136]

For real. It's incredibly clear that WOTC is blatantly appealing to their preferred customers with this release, and that would be the whales.

[@poultrylord7300]

Both those people make my skin crawl. Good point!

[@Jenny-sl9gs]

I just looked at vintage magics channel, lost some iq points reading him go Timmy on his own viewers arguing with them in the comments. Hoo boy lol

[@abyss9316]

A full set of unlimited Black Lotus with the gems truly a sight to behold Rudy I don't think I've ever gotten this early in the comment section got to thank you for showing me magic the Gathering flesh and blood and other card games it's been a wild ride thus far can't wait to see what the future brings

[@MTGUnpacked]

The 30th Anniversary $1k box will sell-out, no question. But will we see grim reality set in for the speculators who bought the product when they're unable to re-sell them for more than they paid?🤔

[@meatmountain8384]

This is exactly what I was thinking. Even if you invest in this set and it does go up in value, you still need to find a buyer. You're so much better off buying regular priced sealed product, it'll appreciate more in value.

[@samual8299]

My thinking, it will be the ultra wealthy that buy in and they’ll be unable to recoup their expenses on it. Just a transfer of wealth from rich investors to Hasbro.

[@ROMANTIKILLER2]

Same thinking of mine too. WotC will sell those for sure, but then there won't be many buyers on the secondary market.

[@stargobo]

Sadly, in decades if MtG is still strong the 30th edition proxies will be worth quite a bit. But as Rudy pointed out, that money is better spent on other real cards with current underpricings.

[@xonerex7501]

I will take great enjoyment from every single investor put into financial ruin by this product.

[@zacharymorris1694]

Rudy: The only person who would hold a razor up to a Black Lotus XD

[@mohnmann]

It felt like someone is about to scratch on a chalkboard and you already get that awful feeling lol.

[@fsmoura]

*_ACHOOOOOOOOO!!!!_*

[@knowyoshiz7525]

But he wouldn't cut one

[@mohnmann]

@@knowyoshiz7525 He definitely wouldn't willingly, but accidents happen. this thread is about the feeling this action conveys, nobody owning and knowing the worth of the card would damage it on purpose. Nobody sane at least.

[@libertyjones1451]

Rudy just invented a "pawn shop". Timmy is impressed. 🤔

[@HoangNguyen-im4rd]

But he’s not selling them tho 🧐

[@artbyrobotcat6206]

​@@HoangNguyen-im4rd You go to a pawn ship and you can choose to sell the item or borrow money using it as collateral. If you don't pay back the owed amount after a certain amount of time the pawn shop will take the item and sell it.

[@TheBizzerker]

@@HoangNguyen-im4rd That's what it means to pawn something.

[@nerdobject5351]

Ouch. “The next 24 months”. A financial nerd friend of mine said the same thing. It’s going to hurt for awhile.

[@scylericaa]

While I like the look of a pack fresh card, I love seeing that these cards have been played. Adds a bit of history to these iconic card.

[@sebastianponzo89]

*Wipes butt with a my moxes "Ahhh history"

[@MTG69]

Cardboard patina.

[@victorgbs]

I use reserved list proxies to play EDH casually and while they are excellent proxies, the thing that gives them away the most is the fact that they're pristine. Nobody looks at a mint Gaea's Cradle and goes "oh wow you must have spent a fortune", they just go "that's a nice proxy". The fact that these cards show visible signs of their age attests to their authenticity more than anything. You can't easily replicate 30 years worth of play wear on a piece of cardboard.

[@justinland1208]

@@MTG69 This was good my dude.

[@Tyranix97]

Man, the condition of these casts takes me back to 1994 when people just played this game and didn’t give a f*k.

[@zombieord]

Almost WUBRG order. Rudy is messing with us.

[@dbldekr]

You think rudy knows about WUBRG order?

[@johndoe-uo1go]

Rudy’s changed. He said that he appreciates the privilege to talk and entertain at the end of the video. Back in the day he would pretty much say if you’re not a patron he doesn’t care about you when his patron wasn’t even open. 😂

[@CaptainChedda]

I love how you can hear Rudy walking around left and right in the audio while he rants on

[@razielthedamn4301]

Remind me of TBBT show when they bought "hand crafted Harry Potter wand" for 20 dollars or so and get angry, when he received a stick from the guys back yard. Then they noticed its numbered - "limited edition - NICE!" Maybe Wizards saw that and got the idea from there :)

[@caymanpurmont8808]

I always get a little worried about Rudy when his opening tone is hushed and muted. FOLKS

[@chadroberts7668]

ASMR Investments

[@NicoEjar]

Frank Karsten made the math that you've need 24 boxes (92 boosters) on average before you hit the first Lotus, and 124 (496 packs) to get each card in the set. I think the part out of his calculation that striked me the most, it is that 71% of the times, your packs will not contain Power or Duals. And again, we are talking about proxies, not actual real cards...

[@ГеоргийРуденко-р7т]

It pisses me off that in a time when the whole world is shuttering and future is obscure, instead of giving a safe zone for the community, a place of joy and affordable nostalgy, they decided to present even more stress, pressure and questions about the future into this chaos. More people are questioning the future of Magic. And instead of being a hero, that could have saved (and did it before) mental states of ordinary people, they decided to show a giant middle finger to them... Some school bully vibes here...

[@mattiabragantini1152]

they don't give a shit about community, community invented the concept of community, not WOTC or HASBRO, they are a billion dollars company, they care for money, business, and enlargement, not for people

[@fsmoura]

Yeah! Greedy bastards! I'm rage-buying this product so hard they won't know what hit them. ( o.o)

[@mattiabragantini1152]

@@fsmoura what?

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

@@fsmoura are you okay?

[@youtubeshadowbannedmylasta2629]

man hopefully more people start waking up to this because wotc is only going to get worse, I mean what's the point of investing in anything other than reserved list and if you aren't a millionaire many times over you're not the investor in this game you think you are. the reprints aren't going to stop and all the fancy foil in the world won't change the fact a million black lotuses are not rare, replace black lotus with any other card but the point remains. anyone else member the days when words like rare actually meant well rare?

[@scorpion0123z]

Damn...i remember seeing an EBAY listing that looked like this with a BO in the title in 2004, I think I went $2700 and it sold for $2400...it was my second power 9 set...I sold all of them in 2014 for like $3600...ugh.

[@TheDarkElder]

As highlighted by (almost) everyone, only the real cards are the deal. And there I do actually include CE/ICE as they come right out of 1993 like the rest of them. The Old School format allows the use of CE/ICE so that means something. Plus, there you got the set and not the randomized packs at ridiculous pricing.

[@matthewelliott2213]

My neighbor--actual person, not anecdotal or multiple degrees of separation--was given an $85k loan against a BGS 8.5 beta lotus. It does happen.

[@MTG69]

Do you have the loan agent's number? Asking for a friend.

[@novinnovations4026]

You know, that's still anecdotal evidence....

[@DankAudioStash24]

This video combined with your 59 minute one about the same topic from a week ago both have been very informative, and entertaining. Thanks Rudy 🙏

[@jonathanmoore7472]

I am so glad this product is getting so much hate

[@0xAlex]

*Drops the card on it's corner* "Oh look at that crease on that corner..."

[@WoeBringer1195]

Ruby from now on I want to see you do your videos with a table mat of Weakness.. A real reserved list card.

[@MTG69]

Earthbind or bust.

[@FallenKnightZephyr]

I wonder if that specific spot on the Black Lotus is from hand sweat. That's about where my thumb would rest if I held all of my cards in one hand. I have a (bad?) habit of organizing my hand by mana cost then land, so I'd have Lotus first, too. I can't imagine I'm alone in that!

[@Joe-cp5ud]

Dude theyre going to find a pallet of Arabian Nights to get themselves out of this one.

[@HSSG7]

Ya. They'll find the AN's pallet. And then promptly insert them randomly in the next whale product such as something like an "Eternal Masters 2 VIP $200/pack" kinda product.

[@arsenalfanrichi]

So? You're saying that like putting the Lost Legends in Dominaria was to hide it being a bad release, when it's actually a great set.

[@PoryGoon]

This product is designed for Gambling Addicts who are torn as to which of these is the bigger financial risk: cracking a case of 30th anniversary Magic the Gathering cards or creating a monetized KZbin video wherein they burn ten hundred dollar bills on camera.

[@MM-es1cl]

100% correct, my commander group already decided we wouldn't allow these cards in our play group, out of principle.

[@janindrak6334]

same

[@rhysjones1108]

I definitely support the decision but anyone who buys these cards for this price is most likely not playing with them anyways lol

[@MM-es1cl]

@@rhysjones1108 Haha true enough

[@NOLA-vv3sz]

I would think one of the hardest parts of lending against MTG cards would be determining the value of the underlying collateral for margin purposes. Given volatility, I have to think they would want a top up provision or something.

[@Oatmeal_Games]

ABU and maybe the 4 horses. Will hold good to great value through this no problem. But I am worried about Silver age being highly effected... if they do some special edition urza block or whatever...

[@ROMANTIKILLER2]

Fully agree. I see two types of RL: ABU 3.5 horses (I don't the The Dark on the same level), and the rest of silver age. The first will forever hold their value (even non RL and later highly reprinted cards do), the latter could be if not destroyed significantly lose value if WotC starts finding way to bypass the RL.

[@tredekka13]

The nice thing about Blacker Lotus is that as long as it's in one piece, you know it's never been played on a sidewalk.

[@DJayMan28]

Originally I was thinking of buying 1, maybe 2 boxes. One to open, and one to sell later, but after thinking about it for a bit the downside risk is just to damn high. Why try to pull a (fake) Dual or possibly a (fake) Piece of Power, when spending 1k-2k can get me a couple REAL Duals, or even partway to a REAL Piece of Power.

[@jayhunter2182]

THE ASMR! my taco is not floppy after that!

[@johnsingleton7548]

You can borrow up to 80% of the value on heavy machinery

[@martincollins6632]

LOL - I'm about 90% confident that I owned that Mox Ruby about 10 to 12 years ago

[@1tdyer]

When I buy proxies I intentionally find ones with an inaccurate back so they don't enter the secondary market. I've been asking myself this same question, who is this product for? It feels like WotC spitting in the face of their core base.

[@zerorequiem42]

People just sending you cards and you buy them at 60%. I wouldn't mind buying a mox or five at 60% of it's value lol.

[@schroth8736]

try a local game store. lucky to see 30-40% of the card value offered. everyone has to make their cut.

[@kazekage_gaara_-8027]

Daniel Chang at Vintage Magic has a video saying he's dropping 30k on 30th. So there's your answer.

[@elyea5928]

That’s adorable.

[@stanmann571]

Paying for content food isn’t unreasonable.

[@kazekage_gaara_-8027]

@@stanmann571 then that's the answer isn't it. Who is gonna spend 30k on fake Power and Duals? Content creators who can make the money back in views and likes.

[@fsmoura]

*annoying content creators

[@farty555]

That person in the story is true, bullying will commence if someone whips those out, all the real ones are striving to let Hasbro take an L on this 30a product. Nobody of strong moral character will buy it.

[@TheOzarkWizard]

Part of me expected a heavy object to come flying into frame, right on top of those cards

[@JoeyMossBBG]

What will happen to prices

[@jebsoj]

I hope you can answer my question… I hope some day to have some power nine, probably will have to settle for damaged cards… and as I’m not an archivist, how would be the best way to keep them in the condition they arrive in and not let them get any worse? Like double sleeve them and set them into a binder sheet or something like that?

[@craenberryTV]

Rudy has made videos on this topic. He puts them raw in NEW Ultra pro 9 pocket binder pages. these get stored in environment controlled safe location. If you want to have a more "protected" approach, most people use Penny Seeves upside down in a Toploader. On the topic of perfect size sleeves there are a lot of different opinions out there. Hope it helps.

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

For starters triple sleeve and put them in a top loader afterwards that way very little air can get in and damage them over time just like you would with any expensive card you might have. I don't recommend keeping them in a binder sheet unless you have something like silicone gel packets to absorb any moister that might build up over time as the seasons changes. Same principle with guns damp or humid atmosphere is really bad so the packets help and you can buy them or a lot of the times they do come with stuff you order. Now if you have any foils and such i vastly recommend those packets as those foils warp and bent like a pringles chip if moister gets in. Though not sure if i must remind but i shall anyways when using multiple sleeves make sure to have the opening opposite as in if the first is down then the second sleeve opening is up and you repeat that even when putting it into a top loader as again this really prevents moister and air from getting in too much

[@eric4946]

Easy. Send them to PSA or BGS and get them graded or even just “verified” for authenticity. They’ll slab and youre done. Otherwise just sleeve and put them in those locking cases. Biggest risk easily is water, humidity etc.

[@fsmoura]

quadruple sleeve from orbit, it's the only way to be sure ( o.o)

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

@@eric4946 Honestly those grading places would probably charge a fortune which is fine if you plan on selling it as they are trusted and if it is already graded as authentic it makes it less of a hassle for that person to trust you. But otherwise double or triple sleeve into top loader is just as safe as a slab you can even seal the top off with clear see through tap so no moister or air gets in which is way cheaper than getting something slabbed and probably better if you are just a collector and don't plain on selling. But yes a ghost box or locking case that you can put on a wall to display is a good idea

[@PaulGaither]

I am thinking of getting some quality Chinese counterfeit power and dual lands. They look good now.

[@niceatpingpong]

I thought about some sort of "holding/storage" service. It seems a bit rarer these days, but it used to be that every so often you would see former bank buildings go up for sale. They were actually a bit cheaper per sq ft than other properties because most businesses have no use for a bank vault. I figured that it would be a good place to store magic cards, especially if they had safe deposit boxes where customers could be reasonably assured that only they had access to their box. I figured that there would be multiple tiers based on card value, all cards from all customers under ~$50 would be considered fungible. They would get separated by set and condition then stored with all other cards sent in by customers. When you want to withdraw your cards, you wouldn't be guaranteed to get the same exact card that you sent in but you would get the same version from the same set in the same(ish) condition (card condition is a bit blurry, but it would follow guidelines from the other major marketplaces.) Everything over $50 would be stored in a section with the other $50+ cards owned by the same person. When you have your cards shipped back to you, you would get the exact same card you shipped in. Cards would be sorted when they come in. The first step would be to roughly sort the cards by value using NM market price - unsorted cards would be sorted using computer vision, pre-sorted cards would be reconciled by an employee. Then, all cards under $50 would go through an automated sorter that uses computer vision to objectively assess condition of the cards. Any cards that are over ~$20 will have the condition verified by an employee. There would also be a marketplace where you could automatically list any cards in your inventory for sale. Customers could buy the cards straight-up or set up a buylist. When a card is bought, sold or traded, the card is simply moves from the seller's inventory to they buyer's inventory digitally. At any time, customers can request to have their cards sent to them. The company would make money a couple different ways: 1. ingress/sorting fees - charged on a sliding scale based on whether the cards are pre-sorted, card value, number of cards, etc in addition to a per-package flat rate. 2. transaction fees - every time a card is sold, we would take a cut off the top like 5% or something. 3. storage fees - a nominal monthly fee based on card value, number of cards, etc 4. insurance - we would work with a 3rd party insurance company that would provide policies based to protect up to a certain amount. We would get a small cut of that. We would carry an umbrella policy that would pay out a percentage of card value up to a certain amount total amount and users could supplement with additional insurance. The policies would cover natural disasters, flooding, theft, etc. 5. egress/shipping fees - a base fee of something like $2 for all orders which covers the base labor, materials and a certain number of cards (like 50 or something), small incremental fees based on the number of cards ($1 for 50-100 cards, $3 for 100-300, $5 for 300-1k, etc.) and the actual shipping cost charged by the shipping company. To pull out 50 cards it'd probably be like $6 shipped. The big money maker would be the transaction fees since our costs would pretty much only be CC fees (unless they use their account credit). A card could be bought and sold an unlimited number of times and we wouldn't have to do anything until someone actually withdraws the card. If you buy and sell a card 20 times, you would pretty much make the same amount in fees that the card is worth. If I ever have like $1m to throw at a project, I might give it a shot, but otherwise I don't have the resources to pull something like this off. I'm sure Rudy and co totally could.

[@SJR743]

Hey that mat art is amazing, do you have an image of it available?/ where did you get it from? (hope you dont mind me asking)

[@rolandrobinson1344]

Only person I’ve seen on KZbin that’s all about buying these things is Daniel Chang from vintage magic…not a fan of him after watching that video I just had to roll my eyes. Rudy here is a legend giving great advice!

[@SpaceStormy]

softspoken rudy for the Collector's Gamblers 30th anniversary arc

[@flobenzo4897]

Rudy I’m curious if you have a favorite collection of cards. Like a prized binder that’s your personal favorite of everything you have?

[@andyh9381]

Dear Rudy: thanks for always ending on a positive note. One Love my brother

[@howtobeahumanthetutorialpa2105]

The point is to milk the whales and sneakerhead investor/flippers The rest of the community seems to be fine with sitting this one out to send a message

[@DeknasAnimated]

Only issue is that the message will not matter to Hasbro or WOtC when the whales and investors/flippers buys them all. For the rest of us that message we try to send out will fall on deaf ears.

[@clubibi]

@@glmorten You say "the risk at 250 a pack is way too high." So, honest question, how is anyone expecting to make money off this product? Who the fuck is going to buy shitty proxies of black lotus, even if they are printed by WotC? I don't think I'd pay more than a single dollar for any of these cards, I can get better proxies online, you know? Are there people out there that unironically think there will be demand for these 30th anniversary packs in the future?

[@clubibi]

@@glmorten Thanks for responding! Still, I feel that it's straight hopium to assume shitty proxies will actually hold value when collectors don't want them and anyone who actually wants the card will just get a proxy printed online instead of paying for a WotC proxy that's 100+ USD.

[@lordpokesmoke]

PWCC offers secured loans against the value of graded cards you keep in their vault so the service does exist

[@LightBender777]

The banks are out there handing out paper monopoly money but they won't take a loan against the power 9 cardboard. The irony

[@7Alberto7]

These Rudy rant are LEGENDARY,so awesome

[@LUMBEEPHENOM2012]

This is why I see grading as being important for older cards.

[@NoProHarrie]

I would be so stoked for an original piece of power but those Unstable boxes are soooo good right now 🤭

[@SomebodysVincent]

Wait... WHAT?!?! I think my ear is full of wax. Did you say 1.000 dollars for 4x 15 cards???! Are you insane, WOTC?????

[@ZSA004]

I member when I thought this was crazy, it seems like just one week ago….

[@HSSG7]

Yup. It is $1k/box. A box is four 15 random card booster packs. So no guarantee of P9 or Duals My understanding is, in each pack you get one rare with a 30% chance of the retro frame slot being a rare. So absolute best case scenario for your box, is getting 8 rares. But most likely you're only gonna get 4-5

[@ZSA004]

They are also not tournament legal, don’t forget. From the announcement page (which cracks me up) These collectible cards are not tournament legal. They have a different back and are not legal in any sanctioned Magic event. They're meant to be collectible items commemorating 30 years of Magic. So few people had the experience of opening a Black Lotus or Mox Sapphire when Magic was originally released that we wanted to recapture some of that iconic experience for generations new and old.”

[@HSSG7]

@@ZSA004 WotC: "so few people had the experience of opening a black lotus, mox sapphire....." Also WotC: "That we decided to release a product priced so high that very few people will still not get to experience opening a black lotus, mox sapphire....."

[@ZSA004]

@@HSSG7 yup 😂

[@jochenkirn9468]

History in the making: Rudy, Prof and Saffron Olive all agree and use the same words. WotC arch villain.

[@CardboardGuide]

This post needs many more likes. The three of them all agreeing and being on the same side should have shifted the time-space continuum.

[@jsxc]

*watching Rudy blackout* "this is why this makes sense"

[@madjoe8622]

The point is to know if a proxy can get an higher price than an unlimited on the market. I am pretty sure the proxy P9 will be rarer than the unlimited version (around 20k per rare, excluding attrition). If yes, they will reprint everything in proxies.

[@chrisr.2410]

The retro frame versions will likely be significantly rarer than even their beta counterparts, and possibly even alpha (at least original print runs).

[@qqwref2]

Rarity alone doesn't guarantee price though, CE has always been rarer and cheaper than Unlimited. The question is whether players/collectors will want these enough to raise the price, or whether only a few diehards will be interested enough to spend lots of money on them.

[@madjoe8622]

@@chrisr.2410 Good point. I am really curious how high it will good.

[@madjoe8622]

@@qqwref2 You are right, but it's still similar (15k vs 20k) and maybe excluding the black lotus, other CE P9 are not that far from a HP P9 Unlimited in price. The new proxies will still be like 5-7 more time rarer. We will have to wait and see.

[@McD_James]

I think the new card backs actually look really nice. That's where the positive things I have to say about this product begins and ends.

[@ArsonBjork]

Magic after Time Spiral block = This videos title

[@jeremygermenis8036]

Who is buying 30th Anniversary Edition you ask? Daniel Chang thats who!!!! Pretty sure thats it.

[@lordchaos3819]

I just really go to these videos for self torture...sold a truck load of cards, 100+ dual lands, power 9, some beta cards, some alpha cards, full arabian nights/antiquities/legends, some reserve list I had several of...sold them out during economic dire times, which basically amounted to nothing and they were sold for a tiny fraction of what they're worth now....my only advice...if you can avoid it, don't make these desperate sell moves during economic bad times or when society takes a dip...so today I sit cardless and handicapped, scraping for small amounts of money. Thank you for my daily dose. :)

[@Maverick21491]

If this product was like 300$ for a 36 booster box , knowing that these cards will never be legal in ANY format ( and never have any value ) , I would probably buy one , just to have some fun drafting or playing sealed with friends . At these prices I dont know who will buy this , for as you said , if one can afford this product , you are probably loaded and can afford to buy the real thing !

[@jonous2001]

Magic was a fun 'game' once.

[@abusus75]

Still is if you don’t really pay attention to the cashgrab and play casual w friends 🙂 i still enjoy this game. Throne of eldraine was amazing and is still in my mind

[@justinland1208]

@@abusus75 Or digging into the old piles or buying a few boxes of randoms and constructing a cube draft will always be a fantastic way to spend a saturday pizza night.

[@KrazPunch]

10:00 Rudy butterfingering precious jewels giggity

[@7Alberto7]

God those cards are STUNNING,yes yes they have wear...fuck that, they are STUNNING

[@keywacat]

I took a good eraser to my dirty Revised duals, I figured it cannot hurt the values to clean the card up a bit.

[@MarkSKChan]

Magic proxies($999) vs Apple's caster Wheels ($869) Which one has better value?

[@megamawile8540]

"As long as you still like tacos". THANK YOU! Most important takeaway from this video.

[@АйдоралСмертестойкий]

New business idea: make proxies of WotC proxies and sell them.

[@MarinerKyle]

WotC30: Please buy our overpriced rectangles. We also made them impossible to find and collect, it's just like old times. WotC1:here's all of the fucking rectangles ever, enjoy game night.

[@bitrod]

Damaged Power 9 are about to double in value just because of this video.

[@Twiztrz]

I was waiting for the yell and that quiet 'folks' scared the shit out of me

[@Thornspyre81]

I love seeing well played cards from when I played. Makes me smile.

[@GamesbyMarcWolff]

Rudy, why are you and everyone else assuming the cardstock will be cheap? If they're charging $1000 for 4 packs, I assume the cardstock will be high quality.

[@mtgdemonictutor4025]

I guess the main reason is that all wotc over the past couple of years have quality issues e.g. foil curling - even for very expensive sets like "Quadruple Masters" Second reason might be that all glossy newer cards by WotC seem to use nearly the same cardstock that chinese proxy printers are using nowadays It is rly hard to tell the difference between an official newer card and a newest generation proxy (and I would consider myself an expert on card authentification) In comparison, old cards like the ones shown in this clip are near to impossible to be replicated/faked today

[@fsmoura]

5:45 _"It looks pretty at a distance, but if you look at it in a bright light you see the surface is all warped, wavy, dirty, inked and creased. Very rough condition."_ just like my ex

[@jaredchapman6709]

I dont think it would work well to use cards as loan collateral unless you have large fractional reserve as well. Hard to pull off.

[@daveweeks4748]

You know when Rudy is wound up when he says the word 'literally' repeatedly:) I still think a target customer is a content creator who will open the packs for their videos and earn back most (if not all) of their money on ad revenue (Wizards must be aware how popular pack openings are). Would you watch someone's video trying to pull power 9 from their $1k box (yes, we probably would:)

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

That is probably the only real audience for this garbage, and nah wouldn't watch it. Would unsub if someone I'm subbed to did that shit.

[@Mrtfarrugia]

Looking at that collection the Bank was right. Your missing 3 of the 9.

[@Ozgarthefighter]

I've been a loyal MTG player forever and have forgiven so many flawed decisions. But this 30th anniversary SNAFU is making me seriously reconsider some things.

[@AccessAccess]

Same reason that people buy lottery tickets. Gambler's premium.

[@Robstalobsta82]

I know you said they aren't for sale, but you didn't say we couldn't trade... I got lots of tacos. 👍

[@MonoSuerte]

I knew it! Ruby wants all the over priced proxies for himself.

[@hudoUtinkUR]

We all want the power nine :) Really appreciate the videos keeps me informed even though I'm a casual player; I still enjoy the collecting aspect of the game.

[@jonbuttler4457]

Good advice hopefully people listen to you! 👍

[@whatishappening8851]

Rudy: "WHO IS GOING TO BUY THIS??" Also Rudy: *Clicks buy button*

[@technole]

So many crap rares in beta too, just a ballsy lottery ticket at this rate when you can buy the real stuff.

[@SawedOffLaser]

Not gonna lie, I absolutely love those "well loved" cards. Those cards to me are so wonderful and have a ton of personality.

[@bryanholdren9043]

jazz radio "folks" rudie is a nice change of pace!

[@blurredmemories6733]

you answered this question in a previous video, this product is for youtubers, like yourself, that have an easier way to recoup the price while, most importantly, continuing to fuel the hype train. even if you don't buy one, as long as you keep making videos about it.. they're satisfied.

[@Poopschute96]

Using the eraser on Revised/ unlimited cards was common practice back in the day as those cards showed the grease/ grime/ dirt on the white edges. I wonder if the person "cleaning" the lotus edges accidently scratched it with the metal on the pencil eraser?

[@mikebulmer9823]

Found a site where I can proxy an entire Vintage cube for $100. Do I buy that or drop $1k for proxy Magic from Wotc? Man that's a tough call.

[@nickc8366]

People said the same thing about CE/ICE 25 years ago…and now the power and duals have increased in value 10x plus over the last 10 years. Somebody at hasbro added an extra digit to the price on accident and nobody fixed the mistake.