Magic Player Who Has NEVER SEEN a Yu-Gi-Oh! Card Rates Yu-Gi-Oh! Cards ft.

[@ConeJellos]

Magic turn 1: "I play a land and pass." Yu-Gi-Oh turn 1:"I play my entire hand and fuck you."

[@sam7559]

Magic's enternal format: I play my entire hand, fuck you.

[@RevWolf1776]

Entire hand psh I'll play half my deck

[@marleythekid8320]

"I play 3/4 of my deck and take yours too."

[@sam7559]

@ConeJellos to be fair to Magic when you compare it to Yu-Gi-Oh, an eternal format game, you need to compare it to Magic's eternal formats, Vintage, Legacy, and Commander. For each of those at their most competitive a player can take multiple actions that can win the game turn 1, some combos can even win on turn 0 which is not technically a thing but refers to a non active player making actions before the active player's standby phase.

[@garagavia]

In the Vintage or Legacy formats in Magic, you play your whole hand similar to Yu-Gi-Oh. The difference in speed has more to do with the fact that magic has multiple different formats, compared to Yu-Gi-Oh where only the Legacy format exists.

[@Aboulomaniac]

"whats the cost to play them?" "the card." is such a perfect way to describe how resources work in yugioh lol

[@memerthedealer]

If your playing in the real world and are competitive then it costs your wallet and soul to play

[@unaffectedbycardeffects9152]

​@@memerthedealernah, it's just € 1300 for a snake-eye deck, it's not that much at all. You can only pay for rent, groceries and bills for a month with that money, you don't really need it.

[@ookami1115]

​@@unaffectedbycardeffects9152 Right? And they said i was crazy for selling my kidney

[@Yerocco]

@@unaffectedbycardeffects9152just to get beat by a kid at locals

[@shiftyshitter348]

It's like when someone asks me why I can special summon Rikka Princess, I just say "because she exists" or "because she's in my hand" because she doesn't have any cost or restriction on the summon

[@dorping_Wolf]

seriously. this is by far the best version of an "a player rates unknown card game cards". 1. because the game mechanics got explained. (other videos with 0 context are just guessing games with 0 "skill" ) 2. the guesser is actually interested (taking notes), takes earlier cards in consideration and thinks about it. this was just super interesting to watch.

[@LookAwaaay]

This is why I, casual hearthstone enjoyer love the format. CGB is a great guest and like Rarran, he has a great way to reconstruct the underlying principles of a game.

[@pietrociompi5883]

Yeah, the main difference with most other similar videos is that CGB is a real expert of card games mechanics being 30 years into playing control in the first and arguably deepest tcg with a very competitive mindset.

[@conorwasson4727]

I've seen lsv and frank Karsten do these with yu gi oh that were really well done, but largely I agree

[@LookAwaaay]

@@pietrociompi5883 Absolutely

[@Jdietz43]

This! These videos are only truly interesting if the guesser is given enough context as they go to try to make educated guesses at the system as a whole.

[@Jdietz43]

The "Oh God" as he reveals that Yugioh is an eternal format is out of such genuine fear lmao

[@Jdietz43]

"YEP- ANYWAAAY..."

[@patchworkgolem]

@@Jdietz43 🎶Anyways, I've got all you could want here, all you could need here~🎵

[@RobloxPrompt]

I did think about a possibility of like a deck where you could just continuously summon cards. LOL

[@Peinstuff]

“It loses to Jinzo” is now my new way of making fun of trap cards, that was hilarious 😂

[@alexandreferraz5993]

That’s a staple comment in mtg! Creatures dies to removal hahah

[@lynerra1920]

Imagine junzo against labyrinth 💀

[@asdfqwerty14587]

@@alexandreferraz5993 In fairness, the "it dies to removal" can make a lot of sense when it comes to expensive cards that don't have an effect when they come into play or die. There are very few good expensive creatures that don't do something even if they're immediately killed (and that goes for a lot of CCGs that have any kind of instant kill effect too, not just MTG).

[@wugsessed]

@@alexandreferraz5993 i love specifically saying "dies to doomblade!" because of how hard doomblade has been power crept

[@knightofthenorth926]

​​@@asdfqwerty14587 when there's a high cost card like that, I like to call it an "X mana do nothing" to make fun of it. 5+ mana and you need to untap with it? Yeah if it doesn't protect itself, it won't survive competitive formats.

[@1_____________________]

The idea of writing "Loses to Jinzo" under every new busted trap card that's releasing is so fuckin funny to me

[@syrelian]

The funny thing is, some of them don't even, Transaction Rollback GY effect is a peak "beats Jinzo" card

[@TheTamally]

Radiates "dies to doomblade" energy

[@Eidenhoek]

@@syrelian How?

[@TrueGamer22887]

@@Eidenhoekrollback is primarily used for its GY effect unless it’s a mirror

[@Eidenhoek]

@@TrueGamer22887 So Jinzo being active doesn't negate the trap activating from the graveyard?

[@GentleIceZ]

"Does it say it can't?" and it's variants are quickly becoming Cimo's favorite phrase, right next to *HOWEVER*

[@bobertmario95]

It works so well. Not to 'spoil' things. It's a good middle ground and makes it funny for us

[@SpecterVonBaren]

Add also, "I'm going to blow your mind."

[@timaeus22222]

@@SpecterVonBaren and then "...yeah this card actually wasn't that good."

[@andrewmachacek5597]

😮😅😊9😅😅😅😅😅​@@bobertmario95

[@Nick-ib3hw]

Don't forget ".... X is a funny card, back in the day..."

[@ab2aasd]

Showing CGB the Extra deck is going to be like giving a Victorian era child a bag of Takis

[@diooverheaven6561]

Bag of what?

[@dmitrilockhart6016]

@@diooverheaven6561Victorian era child spotted

[@georgb710]

Imagine you have 15 companions EVERY GAME.

[@ulisesmunguia8715]

@@georgb710 And with no deckbuilding restrictions

[@domotoroOfficial]

@@ulisesmunguia8715 admittedly the companion deckbuilding ‘restrictions’ ARE deceptively easy

[@kevinbell5674]

Finally, a Magic player who truly understands just how broken Pot of Greed is.

[@shadow-faye]

There's a less broken banned card in magic

[@kevinbell5674]

@shadow-faye And yet, this guy is the only one I've seen so far that gives an appropriate response to seeing Pot of Greed.

[@sablesoul]

@@kevinbell5674 Really? That can't be the case. Free draw 2 seems like it would be so obviously busted to literally everyone who has ever touched Magic, much less anyone notable enough to be on a video like this.

[@hazelv.a.7976]

​@@sablesoultrue, but there's a difference between someone reacting by only saying "that's really good" and someone jumping out of their seat screaming about its power. Pot of Greed isn't as insane for other card games as it is for YuGiOh which is why most people don't react how you'd expect. It depends on their card game background, so it stands to reason people won't see people reacting "appropriately". Don't forget that the free part also isn't always apparent because most people are used to paying resources, and assume they're paying resources because of how they've been conditioned to look at cards

[@vdinh143]

​@@hazelv.a.7976yeah. I love him so much for saying "this is the most banned card ever" 😂😂😂

[@JWSulzer90]

-looks at blue eye white dragon "This card is very pedestrian"

[@Luca-yb4sh]

Kaiba on suicide watch after ruining families to get his hands on 3 copies of it and destroy the fourth.

[@blueray222]

I was so badly hoping that Cimo would whip out Five Headed Dragon, because that will forever be the big stupid bait card in this game no matter what anybody says.

[@TheGrimbler]

​@@Luca-yb4sh Kaiba on suicide watch after almost jumping off a building because some kid + an ancient pharoah almost beat his 'ultimate card'

[@WillieRayPR]

@@blueray222 can't really summon Five-Headed Dragon through Mausoleum of the Emperor, can you?

[@valleyard8674]

Yeah, ngl, his reactions to the cards, how they work Him deciding to take notes at the start The "well, thats free" "aaand it costs nothing" is also freaking gold

[@valleyard8674]

"You guys are insane" Hahahahahah yeeeah... You have no idea...

[@resphantom]

@@valleyard8674 I always find it fun to normal summon a 1 star card and then it has more than 10 000 ATK

[@zephshoir]

I knew nothing about this dude beforehand and I already love him!

[@peacemaker63604]

Wait till he gets to tuner, pendulum, and XYZ cards

[@valleyard8674]

@@peacemaker63604 "oh, and this is pendulum after the nerf, this was stronger before" "Wha... HOW? What's their problem with balancing the game?"

[@9cai_F]

I think Cimo is doing a very good job of gradually introducing all the card types of ygo and set a good foundation of understanding, which we don't often see in this type of video. That's really helpful for both the reacting player and viewers who don't know the basic rules!

[@598019001]

It also sets the floor to smack him with how modern yugioh works, because old yugioh and modern yugioh is like looking at The Pyramid of Giza and the Bas pro shop pyramid stting next to each other.

[@unaffectedbycardeffects9152]

​@@598019001I don't know why but you got me thinking about miniminuteman

[@YourSuizo]

Honestly really glad I clicked on this. I have watched multiple Rarran Yu-Gi-Oh vids, but I had no baseline knowledge, so it has been hard to follow some stuff, like how the hell do battle phases go, etc. Rarran has some baseline knowledge so not everything was explained to us viewers who have 0 knowledge. Also this vid is kinda funny, since I have not played Yu-Gi-Oh nor Magic.

[@m-o-d-o]

Yeah, Cimo's pretty great at teaching Yugioh to people.

[@Lime-Jelly]

19:20 "The only way that it isn't banned, is if that you make a card that says Draw 3" Imagine if the next card was Graceful Charity...

[@resphantom]

Fun fact there is a card that is unlimited in Yugioh, that can be played in any deck and let's you draw 3 cards.

[@sambrown9475]

My thoughts exactly 😂😂

[@resphantom]

@Helminiack Yeah, but none as generic and legal as "Performapal Popperup". The downside being that you pay 1000LP per card in your hand and you have to discard up to 3 cards for initial cost.

[@MeanderingSlacker]

@@resphantomwhich one is it again?

[@HaloNeInTheDark27]

Thats, not really a draw 3 tought...

[@Deathnotefan97]

Fun fact: In Yugioh, spell cards were originally called magic cards It is believed that this was changed to avoid potential issues with Magic the Gathering (a lawsuit most likely would not have held up, but Konami decided to play it safe)

[@Lorens4444]

Fun fact: "Almost every card in MTG is a Spell." XD

[@DRKUMARADIO]

In the manga YuGiOh was basically a parody of MTG

[@IceMaverick13]

I've seen these types of videos between Magic, Hearthstone, YuGiOh, and Pokemon, but I must say that this particular video - especially with these two players - has got to be one of the highest quality ones of this genre I've seen to date. Because there's actually context for how the game is played and the decision making and the player is making an informed choice. CGB also does a great job of absorbing info he's learned from past cards and evolving his understanding of the game to make even better calls going forward - and that's not even mentioning how good he is at card analysis from a purely game-design standpoint. Really great list of cards to show a newcomer; incredible guest who really could dissect and vocalize his analysis and explain his viewpoint well enough that you can follow his thoughts even if his final answer was incorrect. Even if he was wrong about it being good/bad or banned/legal, his analysis of the card itself was almost always spot on and the reasonings for everything was always top notch and it's _purely_ the lack of context of the greater metagame and the card library that ultimately led him to the wrong answers in the few times he was wrong. I really hope we bring CGB back for more of these and get into more unusual cards and archetypes, because the man really had it on lock in terms of making informed choices.

[@DanaWhiteMMA]

beautiful comment i agree completely

[@arcticfox111]

Cgb tapping into the redditor mind and saying “loses to jinzo” feels like a fitting sequel to “dies to doomblade”

[@Hanmacx]

Loses to "Spell Canceller" 😅

[@victikirby15]

The camera cutting to CGB holding a notebook and pen after Cimo finished explaining the card is comedy gold

[@ajkcool]

I think he's actually taking notes too

[@zephshoir]

@@ajkcool He legit seems interested in the game itself!

[@if7723]

@@ajkcool You kind of have to from any other system compared to this.

[@kenosgaming9937]

He does that with Hearthstone too, he's laying the groundwork for future videos.

[@shootercade1299]

Cmon hes a blue mage he would love yugioh lol ​@zephshoir

[@DammitSinged]

Rarran is like Nick Fury assembling the Card Game Avengers.

[@jackeea_]

There was an idea, called the Avengers Initiative. The idea was to bring together a group of remarkable card gamers to see if they could become something more. To see if they could work against each other when we needed them to, to rate the cards that we never could.

[@ajkcool]

took the words right out of my mouth. (Fingers? Keyboard?)

[@NovaCorpLive]

This comment wins for the day.

[@marshall5912]

He straight up created an entire category of TCG videos, haha.

[@nicolasbroaddus8819]

They all realized that the crossover content mill was a huge mutual benefit to all of them, driving subscribers to the other channels and interest in the other big card games. Just wholesome engagement, Rarran really helped the whole community with pushing this format.

[@Xylarxcode]

Pot of Greed: *exists* Magic The Gathering players: Draw 2 for free? Busted. Broken AF! Pokemon TCG players: 'Eh. Average at best. Not actually that great.' Yu-Gi-Oh players: 'But what does it even do?!'

[@HereTakeAFlower]

"It allows me to draw three beers from the fridge"

[@sseolleda4]

Pot of Greed allows you to draw 2 cards from your Deck

[@flamewing7851]

I summon pot of greed! It allows me to draw 3 cards from my deck!

[@asdfqwerty14587]

It's only not busted in pokemon because it isn't free. You can only play 1 supporter card per turn. If there was no limit to how many of them you could play, it would absolutely be unbelievably overpowered (and it was in the original version of the game).

[@thebokchoy6854]

​@@asdfqwerty14587FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT. I really hate when people say that 'draw 2 sucks in pokemon' just because there's a draw 3 supporter that nobody plays, while completely ignoring stuff like radiant greninja and trekking shoes which commonly see play and are straight downgrades from a pot of greed

[@Helldragon789]

I LOVE that the mechanics of the game where clearly explained in the beginning. That way the cards could be evaluated properly instead of it turning into "rate this yugioh card as if it was an MTG card"

[@montywh]

"if in Magic, the only way of rotating decks was by banning them, the players would be insanely pissed!" yes, that is precisely how some of us feel when cards get banned. sometimes unfairly or as collateral damage of another deck

[@Hanmacx]

I remember how they not wanted to ban Hogaak

[@torunsmok5890]

Denglong of the Yang Zing being hit bc of tk dino splashing it gutted me, I was literally building a pure YZ deck at the time and just gave up on it

[@niarudle]

Or when new decks completely powercreep old ones.

[@colexian]

Magic bans very few cards and only when they represent an insurmountable impact on the meta. For every card that actually gets banned by WoTC, there have been ten other times where a card dominated the meta and warped the format and didn't get banned. I can't think of a single ban that was "unfair", even the most controversial bans like Dockside, Hullbreacher, Hogaak, and Crypt/Lotus all have very justifiable reasons that a lot of the community agreed with (Even if people didn't like it, i'm sure they understand why)

[@sammydray5919]

I dont play magic but man CGB is such a nice guest. He knows nothing about the game but is trying his best and honestly did pretty well. Wouldn't mind more of such collabs 😊

[@CantFaketheFunk]

We would expect nothing less from such a connoisseur of Mesa Falcon

[@mendia43]

Mesa falcon guy truly a goat

[@Markshinshinlol]

Never played magic in my life but i Like his content, its so good

[@Bola382]

I am the bone

[@DrCornTato]

I wholeheartedly agree. I don't know this man, and I don't play Magic. However, I thought he communicated very well and very clearly, and his reactions were so authentic and genuine. I hope Cimo invites him again.

[@MrSimpsondennis]

How I explain traps to Magic players: They're instant speed sorceries with summoning sickness

[@asterism343]

it's just an instant with foretell lol

[@MrSimpsondennis]

@@asterism343 that assumes I know what foretell is...

[@asterism343]

@@MrSimpsondennis It's basically the Magic version of Setting a spell or trap card facedown.

[@dudono1744]

​@@MrSimpsondennisYou banish it face-down and you can later cast it for its Foretell cost

[@HazeEmry]

​@@dudono1744 correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't foretell show your opponent the card you're foretelling? Setting a card in ygo hides the card

[@RaltsyLunalis]

I would add, the feild itself is a resource, as you have limited field space

[@adissentingopinion848]

Especially when you got frickin arrows where you gotta connect the dots, and don't forget the numberline summon

[@haku8135]

It would be so entertaining to watch this guy just watch any random game of modern Yugioh and just see what happens. I can hear it now. "How many cards did he just play on the first turn!? FOR FREE!?"

[@broww.]

Don't forget to tell him that every monster has taunt, it feels like cgb thinks you can choose to attack face or a monster.

[@nykthosacolyte5710]

YUP... It's not really fair to omit glaringly critical information like that about how the game itself works when they express belief about it working that way while explaining other mechanics of the game since it also implies confirmation of their understanding which isn't correct.

[@skeletonwar4445]

​@@nykthosacolyte5710That makes it sound like he did it intentionally lol.

[@tjr930]

Yes I think Cimo just didn't clock what he was describing

[@nykthosacolyte5710]

@@skeletonwar4445 it' more so it's a glaring oversight especially we he's mentioned it several times and should have clicked that he wasn't understanding it when he went with what 3 monsters in a row without getting corrected despite mentioning it

[@syrelian]

@@nykthosacolyte5710 Honestly, I hadn't clocked he hadn't quite had that click despite the explanation of combat flow until fucking Book of Moon, despite knowing its a common failure to grasp for these videos, not even Toll, Book of Moon, so I think it was pretty reasonable error, and the one time it did come up clear enough, Cimo was already running on a different element and probably didn't even hear it

[@atmbeto]

-Ok, you can have up to 3 of them in a deck, how big is a deck? - 40 cards ... -"Why would you not just play 3 of this in every deck?" -Al right wrap it up guys, the man has understood Yugioh.

[@Staunomat]

Tbf, free card draw is the single best thing in every TCG ever made. This card is busted in every game but Uno

[@ifyouwantmoneythengivemeev8094]

@@Staunomat I mean ptcg has no cost discard hand draw 7s so I think everything just loses to that lol

[@Nightsorrow1]

​​@@Staunomat actualy thats not true. Vampire The Eternal Struggle (wich is still the second oldest ccg in active, just behing magic). Card draw its ok, but not the best. And thats because VTES dont have a draw fase, by rule after youbplay a card, you draw a replacment. So the most important thing in VTES its Hand Size.

[@DyrianLightbringer]

Years ago, in Magic, WotC released a card called Manamorphose which cost two mana, specifically red or green. The card was an instant that produced two mana, specifically 1 red and 1 green, and let you draw a card. So, while that card was in standard, every deck that ran red or green could essentially be a 56-card deck. I don't even think it saw any serious tournament play, despite being essentially a free card.

[@DyrianLightbringer]

@@Staunomat Decipher, years ago, had a much different approach to their games. Star Wars, which came out about a year after Magic and for a time was the second most popular card game, used a mechanic where your resource was measured in cards. You'd deal them one at a time from your deck into a separate pile to track how much you can afford to play at any time, and it can build up over multiple turns, however, at the end of your turn, you could draw any number of them, so the more cards you drew, the less you could afford to do for now. When Decipher released Lord of the Rings, their draw was simply "refill your hand" each turn, so the more you played, the more you drew, which became something of a balancing act, as you needed to design a deck that reliably cycled through 3-5 cards per turn, otherwise you would never get through your entire deck, but if it cycled too fast, you could end up with no resources to finish the game. I once built a 120-card deck that decked itself 2/3 of the way through the game... and then won. It kind of depends on the nature of the game. With many TCGs only drawing one card per turn, every additional card you get to draw is huge, but in a game where you regularly draw close to five per turn, drawing one additional card isn't nearly as important. It's still useful, but by no means as ridiculous as something like Pot of Greed.

[@wompastompa3692]

Every time Cimo says "Does it say you can't?" it reminds me of the ref from Air Bud. "Ain't no rule says the dog can't play."

[@Quiltfish]

Except there is. Participants in interscholastic athletic activities must be enrolled half time or more in the school they represent with some exceptions, none of which Air Bud qualifies for. (Would you be surprised to hear I learned this from a Vsauce tangent?)

[@wompastompa3692]

@@Quiltfish No, I'm not surprised because I think I've watched that same tangent.

[@opinionpaladin6007]

​@Quiltfish so it's a semantic thing. He should have said "Ain't no rule says A dog cant play." Then they would have just needed to enroll the doggo lol

[@thefiendish186]

As a kid I never understood why "draw 2 cards" was banned. It was good, sure, but banworthy? Hearing his reaction right now is just exactly what I came to realize after learning more about competetive play over the years. ITS BROKEN AF!

[@maskedgamerjoker6148]

All those Exodia and Special Summons getting every cards in the deck

[@AbdulazizOla]

This guy has probably read more cards' descriptions than 90% of Yu-Gi-Oh! players. impressive

[@wowiexist9875]

"Now that Pot of Greed isn't legal, how do I recover?!" He has the Yugioh mindset! Lmao. This is my favourite episode of the series yet, this guest was brilliant, would absolutely love to see him on here again. Would adore seeing his mind get blown reading BLS. Hell, that has a cost, would love to see his reaction to something like Raigeki or Bigfoot!

[@hctaz]

So I’ve watched a lot of CGB because he and Rarran collab a lot together. CGB is my favorite guy to see videos from and with. He’s very good at telling stories from the history of MTG whenever somebody else is trying to rate an MTG card, and he’s hilarious when he’s the one doing the guessing. Guy is fantastic, and I’ve never clicked a Cimo video so fast before. I was like, “Yo, I GOTTA see what CGB says about this game.”

[@hctaz]

I also agree about Mirror Force. Should never have been banned because it slowed the game down in a good way and encouraged some level of mind games. Meanwhile Raigeki and Dark Hole exist and do not care about what position any monster is in, nor do they care about any form of interactivity. Cast from hand- nuke board. I know they were also banned and limited at various stages, but nah. Mirror Force’s ban was 100% never justified.

[@bijuutamer729]

It honestly fair when both players have access to 3. Plus typically in Yugioh holding onto cards is a bad move so I think in most cases people just trade the 1 for 1.

[@connermorgan9223]

@@bijuutamer729 I think 1 is the right number. 3 makes it so no other trap cards can be considered in your deck because of the opportunity cost. Power Traps at 1 like Torrential as well contribute better to the mind game and the "proceed but with caution" mentality of old yugioh.

[@slippers8000]

There were mirror force equivalents that offered the same mind game with a lower reward so i don't think it matters much.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

Mirror Force is the most Yugioh card ever printed. Banning it only signals that they don't know what makes Yugioh fun. If you get owned by Mirror Force, it's your own fault. Literal perfect card design.

[@andleepfarooqui7874]

It was banned because they banned every non reciprocal board wipe. Then they brought it back the next list.

[@jimbo3]

"F this I need my glasses," is a very relatable phrase when I look at YGO cards and I don't wear glasses lol

[@RunicSigils]

Seems the opposite of relatable to me. Everyone I've ever seen with glasses who needs to read small text, takes off or looks above their glasses. Myself included. I am literally right now on the KZbin app without my glasses on because the text is too small otherwise and I don't like the layout if I modify the GUI size.

[@voland6846]

@@RunicSigils lol is the your first time realizing the difference between short-sighted and long-sighted folks?

[@isaacholben7139]

“ I love drawing cards” - covertblue Me too bro

[@jhawkkw87]

43:34 When Toll was first introduced into the TCG in 2002, the player going first still drew for turn. I think changing Progression to not have first turn player draw for turn during the earliy years made Cimo forget that fact.

[@darryljack6612]

I love his reaction to the explanation of how this game works. It not that he's dumb, it's more like Konami is a toxic relationship.

[@shadow-faye]

He's not dumb, the game is just weird

[@blackoutsampler9993]

40:00 "If you, in the future, show me a card that's exactly this but two mana cheaper, I'm gonna be Pissed" *Cimoo quietly puts away Denko Sekka* "I don't know what you mean. good sir."

[@coldwintersknight9793]

Denko Sekka: (nervous sweating)

[@F2PAlius]

Yugioh to magic is like a Combo deck meets a Combo deck but during the middle of a typical MTG game. You pop off, then your opponent pops off and whoever pops off better or responds better wins.

[@philgoad5587]

I think MBT once described YuGiOh as "Everyone just plays Storm"

[@rolebo1]

If Hearthstone is like checkers and MTG is like chess, then YuGiOh is like a fighting game. You need to know your combo's and any potential opponents combo's, knowing when in an opponents move it is best to block or counter. All of these combo's change depending on the character (archetype) your opponent is playing, so better learn a lot of them. Knowing when and how to stop your opponents combo's can be the difference between instant losing or a long drawn out slug fest.

[@HaloNeInTheDark27]

The last like applies to basically every single card game in existence

[@saintsaudade5181]

@@rolebo1 this is honestly the best descriptor I heard and I'm like. "Yeah, that sounds about right."

[@gameipedia]

@@rolebo1 everything's a ToD but it's just knowing what's safe on block or not and just the burst/bait the burst mindgame lmao

[@MikeDCWeld]

One point that was left off about Witch of the Black Forrest was that you could use it as a tribute to summon a higher level monster and then use the effect to pull a particular monster you wanted from your deck. The effect trigger doesn't require it to die, just that it be sent from the field to the graveyard.

[@Lucidplays34]

The pot of greed moment really made me realize how overpowered it would be in magic. It just wasn't something I thought of. I would love to see more of this!

[@MFMegaZeroX7]

We got Mesa Falcon Guy himself for this video! Hopefully we will have him some more in future videos. Wait until he learns Yugioh has a 15 card commander zone!

[@cookies23z]

Lmao, that is a super funny way to put it XD

[@michael_betts]

book of moon is weird to evaluate without a lot of context. It is - a combat-style trick to prevent an opponent's attack - a way to turn off continuous effects of opponent's monsters - a way to dodge opponent's interaction that interacts with face-up monsters (infinite impermanence, etc.) - a way to prevent opponents from using ignition effects - a way to block off a monster from all extra deck mechanics except fusion monsters (and ghostrick festival technically) - a way to re-use flip-style effects (used to be common, but is pretty niche in the modern format) It is not that it is particularly good at any of these, but that it is one card that has so many ways it can be used with just 1 simple effect. Even though link monsters are immune to it, it becomes really powerful when you need varied interaction, and much less powerful when you need a specific form of interaction, since other cards are usually better at any specific goal.

[@ratoh1710]

Yeah, none of its individual use cases are insane but it is just incredibly versatile

[@therranolleo468]

at the end of the day BoM is just a really powerful jack of all trades card that keeps popping off every now and then, it pays to be the no.2 or 3 in many scenarios rather than being no.1 on a specific one

[@Bingo_Bango_]

I think if he noticed you could book of moon one of your monsters out of a mirror force then he would have realized the deeper interactions at play, at least in the "old school Yu-Gi-Oh" sense. Book of Moon is a very blue-ish card in many ways, but he interpreted it more like a red.

[@michael_betts]

@@Bingo_Bango_ Using just these cards, flip your monster in response to mirror force or snatch steal. turn off jinzo and a combat trick

[@michael_betts]

This is like the best of these. I always want people to start with old cards instead of jumping in the deep end.

[@FloodclawKupo]

For real, yeah, like the ones Farfa does immediately go to modern cards with paragraphs of text where the 'answer' to whether they're good or bad is one sentence that requires explanation and context

[@joshprice4855]

I think throwing a person in the deep end /can/ be funny. For example, showing someone a modern yugioh card first just to get a big reaction can be a pretty hilarious joke. That said, I do think rolling back to old cards after is much better for the overall video.

[@HustlerHorstRuediger]

It is impressive how much of the games concepts, terms and basic metas he guessed correctly just by reading some of the early cards.

[@ethandowler4669]

the "my card game is better than your card game" banter around minute 50 was hilarious

[@TibbaryZal]

I love "FOR FREE?!" so much. It's funny every single time.

[@Fabboi_unl]

"NOW THAT POT OF GREED ISN'T LEGAL, HOW DO I RECOVER?!" - Every TCG player since October 2005 😂😭

[@MrDevilRays]

I love seeing the Rarran Extended Cinematic Universe all meet up

[@rumbleroar2]

Cimo: "This is what we call a vanilla card" CGB 5 mins later: "I'm getting the impression that this is a vanilla creature"

[@Anon-lu6ct]

“F**k this dude I’m getting my glasses” *cimo laughs in glasses*

[@bananomem3642]

It was really impressive how fast CGB understood the implications of every card having 0 cost. I hope he comes back for more of this!

[@arkokroeger9799]

What if I told you that we have 0 attack power, french vanilla creatures that see play just because they cost 0 mana?

[@xolotltolox7626]

​@@arkokroeger9799well, thopters are played because they of what they are, rather than what they do It's an argifact creature, so it helps with affinity and it being free and flying makes it prime ninjutsu material for example

[@mcmarkmarkson7115]

When you get than turn 3/4 omnipotence or those god damn persist sphinx decks

[@Deras_]

"Turning rescources into nonsense" has to be the best description of ygo i've ever heard

[@vermilionrubin]

Resources in YGO: 1. Cards 2. Life Points 3. Field Space

[@598019001]

After that reaction to Pot of greed, I can't wait to see more of this guy! LMAO

[@hctaz]

CGB is a charm and an honor to have around for a collab. I follow a lot of variety of card game content creators, and so I’ve seen him and Rarran interact a ton together. I’m so glad he got to come on to Cimo’s channel and experience the insanity that is YuGiOh after Rarran has mentioned stuff about the game to him in passing.

[@Karvir]

First video I ever see of either of you two and I got to say it: it was really well made! Always a pleasure to discover great content like this. Both of you seem to be using your brain and I could play along as well, that's refreshing! I can only encourage you to keep producing videos that way!

[@rafaelteixeira2739]

2/3ths into the video and I'm amazed and how quickly your guest absorbs information. I can tell he's a very active listener.

[@theyakkov7758]

The mirror force section was dead on, he figured it out so well, and explained what everyone thinks when there’s a mystery facedown

[@Biscotum]

Mirror Force is basically a way better version of Settle the Wreckage. And Settle the Wreckage is a big ol meme, because everyone remembers getting utterly blown out by it. If you just hold up four mana, two of which are white, every turn in a format where it's in rotation, nobody is going to swing aggressively, no matter what kind of deck you have, because you might be running one copy and it might be in your hand. Making it better and making it slottable in literally every deck is madness.

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

​​@@Biscotumno. Watching a dude go through his deck 20 times for his synchro whatever special summon congaline is madness.

[@8Kazuja8]

@@Biscotum "Way better" is a matter of perspective. Trap cards by default are incredibly slow and telegraphed in the context of Yu-Gi-Oh. They must be set on the field in order to prime them, making them significantly more vulnerable and easier to play around than hand cards. Many may only activate under certain conditions (such as Mirror Force), and situational preventive protection against traps is a reasonably common effect on boss beater monsters. A lot of plays also revolve around summoning monsters that summon monsters and combine into other monsters and might fetch some other archetypal cards along the way in semi-generic manners, with usually at least some pieces along the way letting you bounce or destroy backrow, which means your answer to backrow is never that far away, and even if you do trigger backrow, recovering from something like a board wipe is relatively "easy" (big quotation marks here, it's still pretty bad). These are all drawbacks compared to MTG instants, and these innate limiting factors are a big reason why traps are often played less than other card types and are generally considered to have a lower powerlevel overall. This isn't even getting into the fact that some traps are hyper-specific bricks, or more value spells that would be too good as spells, or that you may set spells as if they were traps for the bluff. Not all traps are made equal. Traps kind of need to have some cards be these huge blow-out effects to gain depth as a mechanic and card type because it would be so easy to either always react to or always disrespect backrow otherwise.

[@619Slipk]

31:35 - My guy started learning about yugioh 30 minutes ago and already spotted the design flaw with the Infernity archetype

[@jaksida300]

Can you elaborate a bit more? Not very caught up on YGO archetypes. Is it a deck that relies on player trust?

[@619Slipk]

@@jaksida300 Most infernity cards require you to not have cards in your hand for their effects to work. At a certain point folks would set monsters as spell/traps just to be able to fully dump their hand quickly if they ran out of ways to summon them. Then if the opponent would activate cards that destroyed spells/traps they would surrender instantly because revealing they set monsters there would mean getting caught cheating.

[@vocaloidmaniac]

"I'm walking into an absolute dumpster fire" Yes. Yes you are.

[@alexanderwagner4095]

More a Mushroom Cloud 😅

[@matthewpopow6647]

Laughing in Snake-Eye Feindsmith

[@prophetedubaroque5136]

Snake eyes fiendsmith is the real fumbster fire. Well twe should have guessed since they buffed pyro that much

[@residentgrey]

**hi-ho's to Mystic Mine**

[@residentgrey]

​@@prophetedubaroque5136 The one guy of APS predicted that FIRE would have its time and he was spot on.

[@cooperwhite8589]

This was structures amazingly well and I'm so happy you didn't spend half the video guiding his opinion by cluing him in to how modern yugioh really works, everything felt so natural and the work you put into preparing this really paid off!!

[@GodotIsWaiting4U]

I loved the Pot of Greed bit because A) I completely understand where he's coming from as a former Magic player and B) I remember original Pokemon TCG where we had Bill as a Trainer card, which was precisely identical to Pot of Greed in all meaningful respects -- it's a draw 2, you can play as many of them as you like during your turn. Pokemon is a game with a 4-copy limit for any card that isn't basic energy (basic land equivalent), and an EXACT 60-card deck size -- your deck must be exactly 60 cards, no more no less. Bill was NOT banned, and it was an uncommon, so every single deck ran 4 Bill, but Bill was just allowed to rotate out, after which they repeatedly tried to make several "Bill, but balanced" cards which were all either too good or unplayable. Diamond & Pearl era settled on "Mom's Kindness" as the replacement, a Supporter draw 2. Supporters are a special kind of Trainer card where you can only play one Supporter card per turn. Card draw and tutoring in Pokemon is so insane that Mom's Kindness being a Supporter made it unplayable outside of Limited formats. There were too many other great Supporter cards to take up your one Supporter slot each turn, draw 2 as a Supporter is just not worth it at all. If you pulled it in Sealed, like at a prerelease, you definitely ran it because you needed all the help you could get, but in Constructed it was toilet paper. HeartGold/SoulSilver finally reprinted Bill -- as a Supporter, identical to Mom's Kindness, making him unplayable garbage. Black/White was a stealth reset for the entire Pokemon franchise, and effectively a hard reset for the TCG, and they printed Cheren, a Supporter who draws 3. Cheren and all of his many functional reprints are still only good in Limited, because Pokemon draw and tutor is still insane.

[@RiverM8rix]

I get the sense that Yugioh episodes were gung-ho about explaining pot of greed because, like CGB, no one could actually see the goddamn text on the card.

[@unu9651]

I'm watching Yugioh right now and yes they almost always show monster's attack/defense points and also explain out loud what everything does

[@TheDendran]

The moment Cov said "For free???" 👉👈 at PoG I lost it "The only way that this isn't banned is that you make a card that says [draw 3]" Graceful Charity: 👁👄👁

[@wall6587]

Seing his reaction to pot of greed, maybe magic and yugioh players aren't so different after all 😂

[@Hyrulistic]

Loved this, would totally watch more in this series. Great explanation and references to other TCG/CCG, but also accessible for someone who might not know MTG as extensively either!

[@AlvarM]

Dude I want to commend you, this video was so well done! I dont play Yu-Gi-Oh and your guest make it so easy to get by constantly translating to MTG terminology! Also thanks for taking the time to actually explain the cards and their strategies!

[@kain6996]

No one ever show CGB Pokémon cards “draw 7” isn’t even unheard of

[@MrMarnel]

Eeeeeeeeeh, it's not a great comparison really, there's opportunity cost in the cards. The draw 3 supporters are pretty bad for example.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

MtG also has draw 7s. Several of them. It's a lot more tame when tied to a resource though.

[@THE_BASED_GOD]

@@dontmisunderstand6041 Well i mean most wheels are either too good they're banned in Legacy and restricted in Vintage (Windfall, Timetwister, Memory Jar, etc) , require setup or build arounds to be good and therefore fine (Echo of Eons, Day's Undoing, etc), or just bad because they're expensive/have a massive downside (Time Reversal, Magus of the Wheel, etc). Its very hard to hit the strong enough to be played bad enough to not be busted. There are only 49 blatant draw 7s in all of magic and most of them haven't seen competitive play.

[@syrelian]

@@MrMarnel I think its important to recall that Oak and shit were not "Supporters" at launch, you could just wheel through all four of them in a single turn

[@gerald216]

​@syrelian ah I remember those days back when evolving ment you didn't know what you are doing. It's also good to remember that cards like oak can be used as the last card in hand so you completely negate the discard effect as well

[@CrowbornChaos]

You should Explain that in yugioh you have to attack through monsters first to get to opponent's lifepoints unless otherwise stated by an effect. I thiink explaining this would help. In magic monsters can just swing directly naturally, which doesn't translate quite the same.

[@Summer_Tea]

This is exactly why he thought Robbin Goblin was insane.

[@MansMan42069]

It's funny how in Magic terms, every monster (unless stated otherwise) in Yu-Gi-Oh has: •Haste •Trample •Fight Meanwhile, Defense Position negates Trample, unless the attacker has Piercing.

[@narfd.8837]

CGB has a great energy level for videos like this and they both work well off each other.

[@Isaacellobo]

"Turning resources into nonsense" the most apt way of describing the manga

[@Rizz3n]

I used to play the physical card game in like 2005 and seeing all those old cards really makes me feel nostalgic haha. Thank you for this trip!

[@mayhem10023]

Cimo - now these monsters are also spells. 'well thats just confusing' Cimo - oh and they can all come out at once with a pendulum * shocked pikachu face *

[@DianaProudmoore]

He's already sold with just the Pot of Greed and felt it very bannable~

[@nickjoseph77]

Rarran called Mesa Falcon guy. Lol I love how popular these videos have become across so many channels.

[@Sol0666]

Its just very entertaining to see people interact so openly about each others games busted cards.

[@OrdemDoGraveto]

La Jin was basically Chillwind Yeti. A vanilla creature that was pretty good when the game launched because of the limited card pool.

[@tjr930]

La Jinn is a legend

[@hannessteffenhagen61]

I think that's overstating it a bit. Yeti remained premium stats for the cost for a while (there were better 4s but not better stats without a downside). La Jinn was immediately power crept, the only reason you kept it around for a bit was because he was in a starter deck and thus easy to get.

[@syrelian]

@@hannessteffenhagen61 Also just deck filling, year 1 monster beatdown did get power creep, but it took a while for that creep to get good enough to slide La Jinn entirely off the top cut(esp cause early players overlooked Jirai Gumo and Dark Elf for a good while, same as Solemn Judgement, people were too stingy with their LP at the time)

[@thewanderingmistnull2451]

La Jinn wasn't genuinely power crept until later, not until 2000 became the high limit stat for normal monsters.

[@gustavrsh]

I miss early HS.

[@FFKonoko]

"Look at this amazing new trap card in the next set" "Trash, loses to jinzo" Is absolute comedy gold, with the context. 😂

[@flyingsimba]

"This is the most banned card ive ever seen" I died how spot on this is

[@TEG13]

He reacts like an american getting into a European hospital for the first time. "You're telling me this is free?"

[@engladtur]

"AND you all pay LESS in taxes for it TOO??"

[@modernkiwi6447]

You gotta get this guy back and show him more modern cards, especially extra deck monsters. I need to see him try to wrap his head around Synchros and Pendulums

[@drooprtroopr6969]

I wanna see the early Synchros and their inability to have hard once per turns or non broken effects.

[@GrugGangGrugGang]

And then Flashbang him with Nirvana High-Paladin, and never explain pendulums.

[@modernkiwi6447]

@@GrugGangGrugGang nah just show him something like Odd-Eyes Pendulum Dragon keep it simple for them

[@jimbo3]

and Toons lol

[@hctaz]

CGB is an amazing guy to collab with IMO. He’s super knowledgeable, and he loves to learn I feel. Like he’s literally writing notes about this whacky card game while doing this video. He’s also one of the strongest people I’ve seen at analyzing card games. I mean, look at the way he analyzed some of these cards. He was able to understand that these cards would be absolutely stupid in MTG but was able to talk through fake game states WITHOUT EVER HAVING SEEN A GAME PLAYED. Like wtf. Could you imagine trying to rate MTG cards without having any prior knowledge of how that game works at all? And being able to imagine board states and game scenarios that actually kinda make sense?! Like wtf he’s cracked, man.

[@Lightning_Lance]

I've watched quite a few of these types of videos, and this is the first one where the game actually gets explained well enough for me to have an idea of how Yugioh is played. Great work

[@YukiFubuki.]

yea a lot of these sort of vids dnt really get the game explained well frequently leaving out crucial info that is relevant at hand but like the only thing that cimo forgot to mentioned to him is that atks cannot go to face if the opponent has anything out, their monster zones need to be empty to be able to direct atk

[@heftylad]

Never watched CGB's stuff before, but hes easily the best guest ive seen in any of these "MTG player rates YGO cards" videos. Im sure a lot of yugioh players agree that our experience with magic players is often them thinking they are superior for playing what they think is the better card game, and basically just use every opportunity to insult yugioh instead of showing interest and trying to learn. The same applies to most of these videos. All of these yugituber hosts are really polite but it's honestly infuriating to watch. Its refreshing to see someone actually stop, think, take notes, analyse and give really thought out responses in one of these videos, whilst still being able to joke about/insult yugioh in a fun way. Please have this man on more.

[@Ayurai]

1:00:00 one thing he missed here is, snatch steal cannot be used in opponents turn, also, is a equip spell, your opponent can respond destroying the card, and getting that monster back, finally you can disrupt your opponent turn if he need that face up monster to special summon (but he don't know about that at this point of the video at least).

[@TheEmilyba]

Cimo, you’ve really figured out how to do this format of is card good from the perspective of another card game video perfectly!

[@hctaz]

I have to agree, especially for YuGiOh. I’ve seen other people basically copy Rarran’s format to a T, but it just doesn’t work as well in YuGiOh as it does with Magic and Hearthstone. Cimo’s style of, “is/was the card any good and was it EVER banned” is the perfect way to handle things for YuGiOh because we don’t have set rotations. Old cards in Hearthstone and MTG can be called “good cards” despite being power crept today because they WERE good in their format before they rotated out, but in YuGiOh? I mean, there was a time when Bottomless was a good card that was limited to one copy. There was also a time when Summoned Skull and Gemini Elf were considered powerful possibly game winning cards. I am glad he started with some very obvious cards though that are either still pretty good to this day or were always bad cards and not introduced any of the weird cards (yet) that were very good in the past but are now unplayable trash.

[@hazeljoy1]

I really like that you actually explained the game mechanics to him and helped him understand what he was commenting on, the entire process was very enjoyable to watch

[@kuriboh0]

This was fun. I suppose the one thing Cimo didn't mention that might have helped with the evaluation of a couple cards, is that in YGO, you can't just *decide* to attack directly / go face. In Hearthstone terminology: All monsters have Taunt.

[@hctaz]

Yeah, I was surprised he didn’t mention this at all, but I don’t think he caught on.

[@JMotion]

I feel like I'm watching Joey Wheeler learning how the game works for the first time.

[@Splox5]

When he asked for a Timmy card and you didn't immediately show an Egyptian God card, I was disappointed.

[@Nitron2097]

2:49 This is pure gold. CGB, knowing absolutely nothing bout YuGiOh, basically summed up the feeling of the ENTIRE YuGiOh player-base in a single sentence. And Cimnooooo knew it. Also Cimooooooo, may I recommend you do this with a Pokemon player too. Like TrickyGym or AzulGG

[@mr.izanami1796]

Rarran singlehandedly brought peace to the cardgame community. We are all one now. NOW MAKE EDISON AN OFFICIAL FORMAT IN MASTER DUEL, DO IT KONAMIO YOU COOOOOOWARDS!

[@reaflor91]

As of the time I'm typing this, I'm just at when he was shown PoG, and genuinely, I think Cimo has the best format for sharing YuGiOh for non-YuGiOh players. Not only are you getting really entertaining guests, but you're informing them so well about historical context as well as in-game context. And seeing them understand how the game works at an intrinsically deeper way than just "here's card, any questions?" is quite important. I feel like for returning guests (maybe at least video 3 of each guest or something), you should introduce them to archetypes; give them a glimpse into how 3-5 cards work together and let them evaluate how good the deck is.

[@genyatus]

You can tell he's a tcg player. He literally figured out how Mirror Force warped the game within seconds.

[@zyad48]

"You guys are insane" Yeah, that's the correct assessment lmao

[@GodzillaFreak]

I don't think he ever understood that you can't attack directly when monsters are on field in yugioh

[@blackwing1362]

i mean, that's how it works in magic

[@voland6846]

@@blackwing1362 No it isn't...? In MtG the defending player chooses whether any of their creatures block

[@tarawright4339]

​@blackwing1362 in Magic, you ONLY attack your opponent directly. You cannot attack your opponent's creatures. You just swing at their face and they decide whether their dudes will block your attack or not.

[@jondo7680]

It's not that he didn't understand. He wasn't told. The host is the one who didn't understand because at one point he said attacking in the face and the host didn't say that it won't work if there is a monster.

[@trapbuilder2283]

It was also never explained to him that there's a limit to the amount of each card you can have on the field, which isn't the case in Magic

[@roonkolos]

I love he literally takes notes XD bro just wants to make sure he keeps track of all this madness

[@MrTwister22]

"Come to MTG, we have real Timmy cards" was a quality line

[@janisir4529]

Back when Five headed dragon was good...

[@VGV1deo]

Yugioh is a Spike’s game!

[@Krullenkoning]

Fun fact: vanilla is a term used in magic, that originated from YGO. Like milling, which is a YGO term that comes from MTG.

[@Ryan_Dye-r]

2001: most monsters are vanilla. 2024: most played monsters have effects.

[@colexian]

Even in 2001 most played monsters had effects. Only a handful of top tier vanilla creatures saw any play. The Asia championship winning deck in 2001 had one vanilla monster (3 of) and 9 different effect monsters.

[@TheGrimbler]

Most? I can't think of a currently played Yu-Gi-Oh card that *doesn't* have an effect of some kind.

[@sammydray5919]

​@@TheGrimbler loci :)

[@kaiketsu07]

​@@TheGrimbler nibiru token

[@nickdanelatos3497]

Love the fact that Yu-Gi-Oh got CGB to wear his glasses and keep notes. His reaction to cards and the game rules in general were pretty funny also.

[@ZunkleFunkle]

51:40 I like that CGB says it's from 1996 because of the copyright at the bottom thinking that's when it was printed whereas that's just how far back the series copyright goes and Cimoooooooo doesn't even say anything about it LMAO

[@hctaz]

Cimo is so respectful of a guy, man. He didn’t correct him on tribute summoning (CGB kept calling it “special summon” because it was “special” since it required a tribute) My autistic ass would be like, “UHM ACKSUALLY ITS A TRIBUTE SUMMON”

[@NovaCorpLive]

Mesa falcon man! Love this man. Thank you cimo! Edit: I don’t care what these nerds say these videos are awesome!

[@marleythekid8320]

53:21 The way it cuts to CGB staring, wide-eyed and he just "...What?" With fear in his voice.

[@JHawkLR]

Love seeing him piece the game together like that, changing his evaluation as he learned new things. I would love to see any two experienced players from different games compare notes like this (like introducing either Magic or Yu-Gi-Oh players to Pokemon, or reading into DBZ, or whatever). Definitely should have showed him a Flip effect before Book of Moon. But I can't wait to see how he reacts to any number of other mechanics or specific cards going forward. This video was loads of fun, and I think the random KZbin suggestions for bringing me here.