I don't like Selim as a person nor as a ruler, but I always thought they'd all been unfair to him. He did what he had to to survive as the vast majority would. I don't think Selim was evil, just weak. More discipline and support would have benefitted him, especially from his own family.
@miamoser23896 ай бұрын
He was evil like his mother. He learned from her. Selim was in a conflict. He knew what he was doing was wrong but he knew he had to survive. The inner conflict made him a drunkard and he told Hürrem that he was scared of his own parents. Mirimah was evil like her mum too but she never had bad conscience. She wanted Hürrem's praise to compensate that she was "just" a girl.
@rosneIYH5 ай бұрын
@@miamoser2389it bewilders me what the reason behind acknowledging the consequence of being passive in the struggle for power instead of active is death for yourself and you loved ones because of the customs but also chalking the character's actions up to their evil instead of them wanting to survive. makes me remember how big part of mustafa's support is made of people who did not outgrew childhood stories' black and white view, therefore only the characters they enjoy are justified in their violence, although both have their hands dirty. too why nurbanu is praised by then despite having the characteristics they judge in Hürrem. she challenged Hürrem. funny that she supposedly achieved what others couldn't in years, although Hürrem managed to keep Selim and Bayezid away from each other and Nurbanu couldn't go against her, she died out of illness and Bayezid executed.
@nielubieinceli Жыл бұрын
Selim was really harsh for Cihangir, but Cihangir behaves towards Selim like Gulfem towards Hurrem
@Juliamarcinkowska-rk9zw Жыл бұрын
Selim personality was like that.but he was not bad.he just hidden his emotions
@s0neskim Жыл бұрын
In real life, Selim really loves Cihangir
@nielubieinceli Жыл бұрын
@@Juliamarcinkowska-rk9zw I can understand Selim. Cihangir and Mihrimah hated him for nothing.
@s0neskim Жыл бұрын
@@leoswiftie exactly, thats why its called a drama series not a documentary
@Juliamarcinkowska-rk9zw Жыл бұрын
Chihangir was pure soul and hated no one
@Underbluewave Жыл бұрын
bro selim kinda ate with his debate with cihangir, he really did not hold back anymore.
@miamoser23899 ай бұрын
He is a coward. He used Cihangir's disability to hurt him. This is the lowest of lowest.
@icedboba14469 ай бұрын
@@miamoser2389Cihanger provoked him and he kind of needed the reality check. Cihanger doesn’t like Selim because he wants to be in his place so he’s taking out his frustration on him.
@ganondorfdragmire98556 ай бұрын
I've always hated cihangir even as a child he sided with everyone but his mother
@miamoser23896 ай бұрын
@@icedboba1446 no. He loved Muatafa who was a great and loved warrior. So why would he h*te on Selim? Selim could critisize Cihangir but not bring his disability in it. It had nothing to do with everything. A drunkard is not in the place to mock a person who is innocent in his condition.
@miamoser23896 ай бұрын
@@ganondorfdragmire9855 Cihangir was kind and realised how evil his mother is. He was the wisest one. cihangir had the possibility to snitch on his evil mum when he found out about the poisoned caftan but he didn't although he loved mustafa.
@miamoser23896 ай бұрын
Hürrem chose the person who will finally bring her down. Nurbanu achieved what others couldn't do for years. 😅
@falcon-moonАй бұрын
@@miamoser2389 Nurbanu didn’t bring sh- down but sure keep being delusional 😂😂😂
@Dramawitsvu1716 күн бұрын
Nurbanu didn’t bring Hurrem down. AT ALL! You got that relationship confused with Turhan and Kosem. Nurbanu and Hurrem were actually very close. All this drama was for this show. But even on the show Nurbanu had NOTHING to do with Hurrem’s down fall because Hurrem never had a downfall. She was a Haseki and Valide Sultan to the day she died.
@dannie4528 Жыл бұрын
Hatice would've hated everything about this. Hurichan with bayezid, betraying Mustafa
@CA-bw9vw7 ай бұрын
21:00 So why is he dishing out what he can't take?
@falcon-moon2 ай бұрын
So, Cihangir puts down Selim but when Selim gives him a clapback Cihangir cries? They seriously couldn't come up with anything better than turning Cihangir's character into a Mustafa simp...
@EmpressJGTАй бұрын
The only reason that I found is that why Cihangir likes Mustafa more than his own siblings is that he didn’t see his hunchback and treated him as a person unlike Selim who reminds him that he’s nothing because of that. (For me, cihangir eouldve been a better ruler than this drunkard?)
@falcon-moonАй бұрын
@EmpressJGT The storyline of Cihangir simping for Mustafa and Mustafa being all “holy and sainty” is ball s--ск and it made their characters the most boring. They made Mustafa a Gary Stu and their relationship was very unrealistic and unlikely. Historically, Cihangir was an infant when Mustafa left to rule his sanjak and the amount of times they met again is questionable. Mustafa wouldn’t have the opportunity to really bond or create a strong relationship with his half siblings as we see on the show, they were very young when he left especially Cihangir. Anyways, back to the show we can both see that Cihangir started putting Selim down. Selim didn’t say anything and hasn’t used Cihangir’s disability against him until this moment. When Cihangir started insulting Selim, Selim obviously has the right to say something back. Just because Cihangir is hunchbacked doesn’t mean he gets to be excused for his words and that people must tip toe around him. He wasn’t mentally disabled, just physically. So when he insults he’ll get insulted back. Crying over getting a clap back to insults is ridiculous.
@Kurczak00 Жыл бұрын
I really can'r stand Huricihan. Rana is a sultana, not a hatun, and the only things Huricihan can do are showing off her royal rank and humiliating other women. Even Hatice or Shah didn't do it that often. Besides, she doesn't even have one ounce of charm and beauty those two possessed. And her voice is beyond irritating. Another flat, wasted character in the season 4.
@EloraSelah Жыл бұрын
Liar she's much more prettier than many women in harem
@mimioweida9333 Жыл бұрын
As we see with how she treats Nurbanu, she feels them worthless because they are slaves and she is a born royal.
@mimioweida9333 Жыл бұрын
@@leoswiftieNo, she died close to the end of the last episode and she was a key figure as Beyazid main consort, not sure why they decided to use her though, maybe they wanted the drama of Beyazid having an illegal marriage or the fact that she was a Sultana of the Dynasty, not just a Slave or maybe as a way to prolong/bring back the memory of Hatice and mainly Ibrahim because he was such an important character and Suleiman suffered from guilt and regret until his death over his decision.
@multipurpose69846 ай бұрын
OK... YOU HATE HER BUT SHE IS. GORGEOUS AND GET SOFT VOICE IS MELODIC PLUS SHE IS A ROYAL SULTANA OBVIOUSLY HIGHER THAN CONCUBINES HER CHARACTER WAS NOT BLACK OR WHITE
@Nawaz-H_075 ай бұрын
@@EloraSelahhuritchian was so average.. fym. Bad personality and face
@CusterJ19547 ай бұрын
Selim did not have to say …that but yet it is the truth ..(the truth that stings everyone everywhere in their own way) same w Chingar he was sick but at least he didn’t drink or hide any sins on this earth at that era ..
@AnnMezga4 ай бұрын
Why does everyone admire Cihangir and hate Selim. Cihangir wasn't glad to see Selim. He said Selim didn't deserve to be at Manisa. Is this brother's love and respect? Also this is the order of Suldan Suleiman so it means Selim deserves it. I reaaly do not understand why Cihangir do this... Selim was right, Cihangir wanted to see Mustafa, not Selim. Cihangir didn't respect his brother Selim, didn't really respect his mother Hurrem. Somehow he loved only Mustafa. I am wondering what is the reason for such love.
@falcon-moon2 ай бұрын
Exactly, they always teamed up against Selim. He and Bayzeid could fight all day long with Bayezid spewing insults but they'd go "Yep, Selim is the bad guy, always wrong" while ignoring Bayezid's actions and behavior. Selim was indeed sneaky and sly but the others weren't flawless either. They were willing to overlook Bayezid and Mustafa's mistakes and behavior but never Selim's. Also, apparently, according to this fanbase, it is okay for Cihangir to insult and provoke Selim but when Selim says something in return he's "evil". Like no, Cihangir's disability doesn't automatically grant him a free pass from getting treated as he treats others.
@Caramelpop868 ай бұрын
Can we really blame Selim for what he said? Cihangir struck the match
@Aliakaramm Жыл бұрын
Really hurrem should have put some effort on her sons who hate eachother Selim making fun of gihangir is just so silly Hurrem only think in mustafa and not her sons She ended them And thier hatered was mire dangroues than the factride law They were more dangerous on eachother
@hurremsultanas Жыл бұрын
She did everything she realistically could have to stop them fightiing
@gordanaterzic4121 Жыл бұрын
True
@hurremsultanas Жыл бұрын
@@gordanaterzic4121 It really isn't
@gordanaterzic4121 Жыл бұрын
@@hurremsultanas it is
@hurremsultanas Жыл бұрын
@@gordanaterzic4121 Not really.
@Caramelpop868 ай бұрын
Mahidiveran is always out for revenge. Always. Mustafa said no. That should be the end of it.
@nandaaprilya41516 ай бұрын
sometimes i hate the way cihangir treated selim. selim came to the room nicely and even hug cihangir, but his love for mustafa really make him blind. he doesnt know what would happen to him and his brother if mustafa take the throne. maybe mustafa wouldnt kill his brother but what about mahidevran? she killed mehmed, and she will do it again to another hurrem children.
@AnnMezga4 ай бұрын
you are absolutely right... unfortunately Cihangir didn't understand such simple things.
@ΔημΣΚ Жыл бұрын
Nurbanu must always follow hurrem sultan as she did irl
@HongşoğluАй бұрын
Cihangir was harsh on Selim, but Selim should not have ridiculed his brother's disability.
@sahadth3968 Жыл бұрын
My favorite love is in the series in baysed and hurichian ihave stopped the series death of baysed and hurichian
@Baigalma3344 Жыл бұрын
Disgusting they are cousins bruh
@miamoser23899 ай бұрын
To me the favourite love story is Efsun and Mustafa. ❤
@wongsiawee83734 ай бұрын
Omg Selim has affairs with mustafa and Ibrahim allegedly history covered up.. This is a revelation n it's true in the harem too
@rushamitra3357 ай бұрын
Bayezid was most misunderstood 🤴 of Ottomans
@forexed89487 ай бұрын
Agreed, and in my opinion he is misunderstood because his reign was so short, only 8 years. Which was the time between his mother's passing away, and his father's.
@marsbars843 ай бұрын
Huricihan is just as insufferable as her mother was