Magnus Carlsen rates Judit Polgar on her genius

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@rahulrawat4265
@rahulrawat4265 3 жыл бұрын
Magnus is very genuine and honest when it comes to rating other GMs
@renishisrael9520
@renishisrael9520 Жыл бұрын
And while rating himself he is too modest
@miguelmartins6439
@miguelmartins6439 Жыл бұрын
@@renishisrael9520 Modesty is maybe his redemption, because some of his less flattering comments about his opponents have on occasion made him come across as impolite.
@alexchristopher221
@alexchristopher221 Жыл бұрын
@@renishisrael9520 Maybe it's a false modesty.
@joannewilson6577
@joannewilson6577 Жыл бұрын
@@dixidum2380 She just beat him easily in 9 moves last week...
@davidcarr9772
@davidcarr9772 Жыл бұрын
@@dixidum2380 She did, she beat 11 world champions! The sexist Nigel Short she owned
@krisko171
@krisko171 2 жыл бұрын
He only gave Kasparov 10 of 10 for genius. And he said Kasparov is the best of all time, finding ideas no one else could. It is not a score you can give lightly. Props.
@vidul7498
@vidul7498 2 жыл бұрын
Capablanca as well no
@krisko171
@krisko171 2 жыл бұрын
@@vidul7498 it is a possibility, as I haven't watched them all. It just stuck to me that he gave Kaspi a 10..
@MrSupernova111
@MrSupernova111 2 жыл бұрын
The only two players that deserve a 10 for genius are Fischer and Tal. Both, at their peak were nearly unbeatable. Tal, unfortunately, suffered from health conditions that robbed him from consistency in the chess world and Fischer, of course, abandoned chess too soon.
@krisko171
@krisko171 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrSupernova111 we will never know what is the correct answer, unfortunately. Genius is subjective anyway
@shaaravguha3760
@shaaravguha3760 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrSupernova111 Kasporov was pretty unbeatable aswell, it's just that during Kasporovs time Chess was a lot more competitive than while Fischer was alive. Magnus is also a genius, but as you can see he loses a lot because of how competitive chess is.
@kartz2010
@kartz2010 Жыл бұрын
Magnus gave a genius rating of 8 to himself. His basis for the rating (in his own words) is based on original ideas vs copied ideas from other people's games.
@Smileater
@Smileater Жыл бұрын
In that matter Judit is 10, she got everybody shocked with her attacking style
@Gggbvcx
@Gggbvcx Жыл бұрын
@@Smileater she is not more creative than magnus , so 7 is more accurate
@wreckim
@wreckim 3 ай бұрын
@@Smileater But an attack, you must be honest here, opens a Pandora's box at the 2600+ level that mortals can't really imagine. You enter positions that are probably beyond even a GMs experience, and how do you deal with that? Nobody deals with it like Carlsen, and I think he takes into consideration, how often you actually succeed from that decision vs. falling on your face. But I'd given Judit a 10 in entertainment.
@ATjfds
@ATjfds 2 жыл бұрын
So basically Judit Polgar is a shonen protagonist
@stupidguy97
@stupidguy97 2 жыл бұрын
lmaoo. This is an underrated comment.
@Smileater
@Smileater 2 жыл бұрын
What is shonen? Is it something sexist and poorly thought?
@maximussaktish
@maximussaktish 2 жыл бұрын
@@Smileater its an anime thing
@mastershooter64
@mastershooter64 Жыл бұрын
@@Smileater lmao yeah totally it's the most sexist, racist, mysoginistic, thing ever, it's sexist against both men and women and it's racist against every race ever
@FeroxX_Gosu
@FeroxX_Gosu Жыл бұрын
@@Smileater He said that Judit is basically Son Goku!
@davidgriffiths7696
@davidgriffiths7696 Жыл бұрын
A crushing win against Fisher on the sanity rating
@davidgriffiths7696
@davidgriffiths7696 4 ай бұрын
@@storiesreadaloud5635 😆 keyboard corrected to Fisher. These things happen to the best of us.
@boogerie
@boogerie 4 ай бұрын
*Fischer
@rahulbansal2
@rahulbansal2 3 ай бұрын
💀
@JamesJoyce12
@JamesJoyce12 3 ай бұрын
ppl that love bobby know how to spell his name - other wise you appear like a booby
@a-channel3935
@a-channel3935 3 күн бұрын
But fisher was better
@ReklawLah
@ReklawLah Жыл бұрын
And then she beat him in a park.
@itv5610
@itv5610 Жыл бұрын
emphasis on "in a park"
@joeybiden9582
@joeybiden9582 Жыл бұрын
Still didn't win in the candidates. Oh wait she can't make it to one.
@pushingyourownagenda9889
@pushingyourownagenda9889 Жыл бұрын
@@joeybiden9582 sexist spotted
@gabriellaranga6301
@gabriellaranga6301 Жыл бұрын
@@joeybiden9582 Fact: she beat him in a park. And you?
@joeybiden9582
@joeybiden9582 Жыл бұрын
@@gabriellaranga6301 I beat Kasparov and Bobby Fischer in my dreams 6-0. Your point is?
@alexcao7502
@alexcao7502 9 ай бұрын
He gave Judith the same genius rating as Fisher, certainly not a low score
@elidrissii
@elidrissii 9 ай бұрын
If Fischer isn't a 10 for genius, who the hell is?
@alexcao7502
@alexcao7502 9 ай бұрын
@@elidrissii the only person with a 10 was Kasparov
@Glock7eventeen
@Glock7eventeen 4 ай бұрын
@@alexcao7502Kasparov had access to computers and 20 Russian GM’s helping him prepare in every tournament. They had a computer make a 10,000 position book for him, he had a massive advantage in the openings thanks to the use of computers and the Russian support system. Fischer, on the other hand, had nobody. He was famous for refusing help, he didn’t want anyone’s opinion, he didn’t use any computers, and even as a child he played most of his matches alone against himself. Fischer was a true genius, who had pure natural intellect to dominate chess, he should be the only 10.
@knee-to-body
@knee-to-body 4 ай бұрын
@@Glock7eventeen Ironic talking about natural genius on a video about Judit Polgar
@Glock7eventeen
@Glock7eventeen 4 ай бұрын
@@knee-to-body She’s a 4
@EOh-ew2qf
@EOh-ew2qf 2 жыл бұрын
He gave Anand a genius score of 8 I believe? The genius score is coming from an actual genius. an average person would get minus scores
@himanshutrivedi9370
@himanshutrivedi9370 Жыл бұрын
He gave Anand a nine
@ajaysabarish9645
@ajaysabarish9645 Жыл бұрын
He gave Anand a 9. He gave fischer a 7, himself a 8. He said "Anand has an unbelievable natural understanding of the game". Knowing Carlsen doesn't shower compliements easily, its a great thing.
@EOh-ew2qf
@EOh-ew2qf Жыл бұрын
@@ajaysabarish9645 oh maybe I confused Anand with Karpov. anyways genius score 7 from magnus is never a low number
@djo-dji6018
@djo-dji6018 Жыл бұрын
I don't think so. A score of 3 for instance would mean someone is not a genius.
@joannewilson6577
@joannewilson6577 Жыл бұрын
@@dixidum2380 You are Full of S..t! and a mysogynist! at her best she was 8 in the world against the best man with an Elo of 2735! In 1991, Polgár achieved the title of Grandmaster at the age of 15 years and 4 months, at the time the youngest to have done so, breaking the record previously held by former World Champion Bobby Fischer. She was the youngest player ever to break into the FIDE top 100 players rating list, ranking No. 55 in the January 1989 rating list, at the age of 12.
@aaronquadd3019
@aaronquadd3019 Жыл бұрын
Magnus speaks so objectively when talking chess or even other sports. Even when comparing GMs or even himself he sees things as they are.
@philj9594
@philj9594 Жыл бұрын
Man, I really hope people don't take this the wrong way! That was a huge show of respect for Judit as a player from Magnus. A 7 is a good score, and his criteria for the category probably isn't exactly what you are picturing when you think of the word "genius". He was more trying to fit that word into chess the best way he could and settled on original or unique ideas with their play. He was simply saying that her strength came more from copying others than some of the other all-time great chess players, but he absolutely sees Judit as one of the best chess players of all-time (not just among women). If he just gave her all 10s that would kind of cheapen the whole thing and show a lack of respect would it not?! As many have said, all of us and nearly everyone in the world would get less than a 1 across the board here. lmao
@mumblecake251
@mumblecake251 4 ай бұрын
except for sanity maybe ... we might get a two there ;)
@deevnn
@deevnn 3 ай бұрын
He gave Judith a 7 for Genius and himself an 8...that says it all. Women can match and beat the best male chess players in the World.
@andrejatodorovic4094
@andrejatodorovic4094 9 күн бұрын
​@@deevnnNo, they can't. 😅
@Techridr
@Techridr Жыл бұрын
Anytime a women excels in something usually dominated by men, she's going to influence men who, like Kasparov, who think/thought men were superior. Also, young women/girls interested might see someone like Judit and think, 'Yes, I can do this too.' For Influence, I think Judit is a solid 10.
@philj9594
@philj9594 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that was the only one I disagreed with but I mean it's his choice to rate however he wants and ratings like this always have a great deal of subjectivity to them. We really aren't allowed to criticize other than to give our own opinion. A 9 is still saying that he views her as one of the most influential figures in chess history and that's saying something. You can tell he has nothing but respect for her.
@IwasabletoDisappearafterlitsen
@IwasabletoDisappearafterlitsen 11 ай бұрын
That was Bobbie not Kasparov tf you talking about?
@Techridr
@Techridr 11 ай бұрын
@@IwasabletoDisappearafterlitsen No, I said Kasparov and meant him. He said: " there is real chess and women’s chess. Some people don’t like to hear this, but chess does not fit women properly. It’s a fight, you know? A big fight. It’s not for women. Sorry. She’s helpless if she has men’s opposition. I think this is very simple logic. It’s the logic of a fighter, a professional fighter. Women are weaker fighters"
@BaneHydra
@BaneHydra 10 ай бұрын
@@IwasabletoDisappearafterlitsen Citing wikipedia: "Kasparov had once described Polgár as a "circus puppet" and asserted that women chess players should stick to having children." also "However, Kasparov expressed early doubts: "She has fantastic chess talent, but she is, after all, a woman. It all comes down to the imperfections of the feminine psyche. No woman can sustain a prolonged battle."" In his defense, he later changed his mind: "Later in life, however, after he had lost a rapid game against Polgár himself in 2002, Kasparov revised his opinion: "The Polgárs showed that there are no inherent limitations to their aptitude-an idea that many male players refused to accept until they had unceremoniously been crushed by a twelve-year-old with a ponytail."" But yes, Kasparov was highly misogynistic (in the 90s) and definitely did say that women were simply inferior at chess due to genetics or something.
@armingleiner5292
@armingleiner5292 8 ай бұрын
@@BaneHydra I mean even if they were inferior it wouldnt matter that much because the average of the population is irrelevant. You only have 1 opponent at a time, not an average. It is like saying people under 2m are inferior in basketball and in general thats true but Jordan and Bryant were both under 2m tall.
@JayVicky007
@JayVicky007 9 ай бұрын
I really appreciate his honesty. Well done Magnus.
@anganbakonjengbam5567
@anganbakonjengbam5567 2 жыл бұрын
I would like to see Matt Damon playing magnus carlsen in movie
@mcflee2032
@mcflee2032 Жыл бұрын
This is was random but yes yes
@gokulhemanthkumar4556
@gokulhemanthkumar4556 Жыл бұрын
Bit too old tbh
@alexchristopher221
@alexchristopher221 Жыл бұрын
Playing an older Magnus?
@williambeckley3029
@williambeckley3029 Жыл бұрын
Matt Damon is probably no genius.
@alexchristopher221
@alexchristopher221 Жыл бұрын
@@williambeckley3029 Actually he is a genius with an IQ of 160. Carlsen's IQ is about 180. 160+ is classified as genius.
@thechessmasterbattle_of_wi7824
@thechessmasterbattle_of_wi7824 2 жыл бұрын
Please, Magnus rate Vasily Ivanchuk.
@HariKrishnan-jg2ju
@HariKrishnan-jg2ju Жыл бұрын
Now magnus can change his opinion to "OMG" (last game was brutal).
@carloschu7127
@carloschu7127 Жыл бұрын
19......Bb6 ( Magnus : OMG, at a certain park in Madrid )
@Sindor33
@Sindor33 Жыл бұрын
It's a blunder, nothing genius triggered here
@BlakeJob9
@BlakeJob9 Жыл бұрын
I don’t think the park game would change the scores he would give
@kargs5krun
@kargs5krun Жыл бұрын
If was a tournament game/challenge match LOSS, you'd be right/accurate. But "blitz" losses happen to all the greats if they DARE to play them.....often like Carlsen does.
@medexamtoolsdotcom
@medexamtoolsdotcom Жыл бұрын
Do you have any idea how many times he's whupped her in the past? If anything he'd change his opinion to "if at first you don't succeed, try try again". Besides, it was a lightning game with 3 minutes on the clock.
@simonvaradi2412
@simonvaradi2412 Ай бұрын
Not being a genius (by that i mean a prodigy who was born with insane skills) is the whole path of Judit Polgár, her father László was pshychologist and teacher who conducted a human "experiment", the subject being his 3 daugthers. He trained them in chess (he chose chess because it was a very measurable form of skill with the Elo system and all) from a very young age (2 years old if I remember correctly). The topic of the experiment was whether someone can show prodigial feats if they were not born but trained. And he apparently succeeded, all of his daughters hold official titles, one of them being a GM and former #1 female player and the other being an IM and a 5 time chess olympiad gold medalist.
@firmanimad
@firmanimad Жыл бұрын
Where can I see more of these
@robertakerman3570
@robertakerman3570 Жыл бұрын
Hope Magnus returns soon! 20.07. '22
@jaconova
@jaconova Жыл бұрын
Imagine if in "sanity", Magnus said: "ok she is uber crazy, so I have to give her a #1" lol.
@user-bk9fk2tq2z
@user-bk9fk2tq2z 3 ай бұрын
Bobby Fischer's sanity
@obamna666
@obamna666 26 күн бұрын
@@user-bk9fk2tq2zBobby Fischer only got a 4!
@divergentlife493
@divergentlife493 4 ай бұрын
Are you kidding? She's way beyond 10 in terms of influence. Bobby Fischer held the youngest GM record for what 35 years before it was broken by a girl?
@thomasdalton1508
@thomasdalton1508 4 ай бұрын
I'm not sure age at which you become a GM is particularly relevant to influence...
@divergentlife493
@divergentlife493 3 ай бұрын
@@thomasdalton1508 OK? Does not matter what you're sure if if it has everything to do with influence.
@thomasdalton1508
@thomasdalton1508 3 ай бұрын
@@divergentlife493 To be clear, "I'm not sure" is a polite phrase you add before telling someone they are wrong. It doesn't actually mean you aren't sure. I'm perfectly sure that it has nothing at all to do with influence. I suspect you don't know what influence is.
@chessicles99
@chessicles99 Жыл бұрын
People have to remember that she is being compared to world champions.
@markcouture4726
@markcouture4726 Жыл бұрын
Influence: 10 VERY CLEARLY. That was brazen to give her anything but a 10 there. And her influence has extended WELL beyond her being a woman chess player. She's influenced teams she's coached, she does amazing commentary, and she's taken leadership roles. HUGE influence - possibly more than anyone alive right now.
@darrynmccutcheon2195
@darrynmccutcheon2195 Жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@DrinkWater713
@DrinkWater713 Жыл бұрын
Considering that I play chess for two years now and only learned about her two months ago, I second his score
@joannewilson6577
@joannewilson6577 Жыл бұрын
And 8.5 at genius at least. At her best she was 8 in the world against the best man with an Elo of 2735! In 1991, Polgár achieved the title of Grandmaster at the age of 15 years and 4 months, at the time the youngest to have done so, breaking the record previously held by former World Champion Bobby Fischer. She was the youngest player ever to break into the FIDE top 100 players rating list, ranking No. 55 in the January 1989 rating list, at the age of 12.
@markcouture4726
@markcouture4726 Жыл бұрын
​@@DrinkWater713 Your ignorance and possible bias are hardly metrics.
@DrinkWater713
@DrinkWater713 Жыл бұрын
@@markcouture4726 You really think her influence is on the same level as Kasparov? Come on, be serious. Even Nakamura has introduced way more people to the game
@sniffableandirresistble
@sniffableandirresistble 14 күн бұрын
Ranking sanity is ridiculous
@reymondwolfe
@reymondwolfe 2 ай бұрын
it seems magnus is saying judits play didnt follow an intellectually sound winning strategy. for magnus and garry, their playstyle resembles the opposite of judits. carlsen wins games using sound, studied and strategic methods, also consistently out-calculating the opposition > judits style of spectacularly intricate novelties, often incalculable and dubious to which, more often than not, refutations did exist.
@JohnSmith-oe5kx
@JohnSmith-oe5kx 8 ай бұрын
He gave Fischer a 7 for genius also. Which is a bit suspect
@randallwilliams
@randallwilliams Жыл бұрын
This in light of last week’s Madrid video is fun.
@AnandSivaram22
@AnandSivaram22 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't like kajas first sentence, Magnus didn't rate the male world champions, he rated world champions.. World championships have been open vs women's for quite some time..
@z483gk
@z483gk 2 жыл бұрын
What's the difference? All world champions was a male human beings. There's nothing wrong in the sentence. But Magnus decided to rate Judit, although he was evaluating only world champions here.
@AnandSivaram22
@AnandSivaram22 2 жыл бұрын
@@z483gk "All world champions are male human beings " is why that sentence was incorrect. They represent a larger group of people, they are the world champions in the open category. It's not right surely, to say something like "Black sub-10 sprint runners", surely!?!?
@unculturedswine5583
@unculturedswine5583 2 жыл бұрын
@@AnandSivaram22 firstly, there has never been a female chess champion in the whole history of chess, ever, not once, judit was the only one who ever got even close, a lot of has to do with history and tradition anyways but yeah there has never been a sprinter champion "title", gold medals are gold medals and records are records, they are medalists they are not comparable just cause you think the thought sounds kinda offensive, and thinking that helps no one and makes no sense, especially because there's no deeper meaning behind it in the first place
@AnandSivaram22
@AnandSivaram22 2 жыл бұрын
@@unculturedswine5583 first of all, your first "paragraph" makes little to no sense in this context, I know that, you know that, everyone knows that. Your second para addressed my analogy first, which was just meant to refute the previous gentleman's point. Viswanathan anand or Magnus Carlsen was the world champion of all the world and not men alone. That was simply my point. Whether or not thinking that way helps me, leave it to me I say. I just stated my opinion that I didn't like how Kaja said it. Also yes, my pointing it out also clears the concept in at least some people(i personally know a lot who have this misconception) that the world championship is divided into men's and women's, which isn't the case. I guess that's it. :-)
@unculturedswine5583
@unculturedswine5583 2 жыл бұрын
@@AnandSivaram22 I'm just saying that there's no reason to find a problem where none exists, and even if chess titles worked differently and there were female champions in the past, your explanation for why it's wrong is overspecific, and nitpicky to prove some moot point that doesn't apply in this context just cause you missed the reason for her specificity, (and the first guy was right anyways) she said male champions because they were rating world champions only, all of which happen to only be male, two things which judit is not, but she's also justified by being by far the best female player and not just another dude, which is why they're rating her. Which is why she had to clarify the sex and why I thought you couldn't understand that, because you didn't know that there have been no female champions. But I guess you do know.
@annalisajohn
@annalisajohn 2 жыл бұрын
Alternate title: Magnus treading very carefully and not stepping on any landmines.
@Whiskypapa
@Whiskypapa Жыл бұрын
Nah, this is Magnus just being honest like Magnus usually is.
@zah936
@zah936 Жыл бұрын
Or he is just not stupid like you
@philj9594
@philj9594 Жыл бұрын
No? Judit is an outstanding player that can hold her weight against super-GMs. He has no need to hold back here and I think his ratings were actually quite fair.
@Ludwig_Van_Aristossine
@Ludwig_Van_Aristossine 8 ай бұрын
​@@philj9594there u go again. Magnus did explain why he gave her that score, and its his opinion plus forget about that park game it means nothing,
@eew12
@eew12 Жыл бұрын
Seeing this after I just watched her beat him in a fun match in a park in Madrid.
@joannewilson6577
@joannewilson6577 Жыл бұрын
@@dixidum2380 You are Full of S..t! and a mysogynist! at her best she was 8 in the world against the best man with an Elo of 2735! In 1991, Polgár achieved the title of Grandmaster at the age of 15 years and 4 months, at the time the youngest to have done so, breaking the record previously held by former World Champion Bobby Fischer. She was the youngest player ever to break into the FIDE top 100 players rating list, ranking No. 55 in the January 1989 rating list, at the age of 12.
@Junker_1
@Junker_1 Жыл бұрын
@@dixidum2380 Yeah right. Pretty weak response. I guess you would have another response if he beat her at the fun match.
@Junker_1
@Junker_1 Жыл бұрын
@@dixidum2380 Lol. I hope that was a bad joke from you. I hope that for you at least.
@krisshjaiswal8285
@krisshjaiswal8285 3 ай бұрын
That's why that was a fun match
@fluff975
@fluff975 8 ай бұрын
Polgar is a 10 on influence. Cmon Carlsen
@simplicitas5113
@simplicitas5113 3 ай бұрын
I thought so first too, but I guess Kasparov, Fischer and even names like Alekhine and Capablanca are still more famous in parts of the world. And himself ofc
@user-iq6cc3df3l
@user-iq6cc3df3l 10 күн бұрын
I’ve paid attention to Magnus over the years. I think he’s usually very honest and he only mildly modifies his opinion simply not to be mean. But otherwise he says it like he sees it. I think I saw though he’s no longer World Champion? There’s a 17-year-old guy from India who’s playing for the title this fall. Now THAT’S pretty amazing.
@EMMETproxy
@EMMETproxy Жыл бұрын
What kind of scale is that
@mrwindsreeds152
@mrwindsreeds152 Жыл бұрын
He gave anand 9 for genius ...and 10 for kasparov
@xyzer586
@xyzer586 Жыл бұрын
Kasparov is genius
@Ludwig_Van_Aristossine
@Ludwig_Van_Aristossine 8 ай бұрын
Kasparov IQ is 140+ which is genius
@user-bk9fk2tq2z
@user-bk9fk2tq2z 3 ай бұрын
@@Ludwig_Van_Aristossine Kasparov himself says that his IQ was tested to be 130s.
@roberthorvat9347
@roberthorvat9347 3 ай бұрын
​@@user-bk9fk2tq2ziq tests are rubbish. The man was champ for 20+ years. He is the best ever. End of story.
@Sough
@Sough Жыл бұрын
Sanity such a cold category
@KvS1248
@KvS1248 Жыл бұрын
7 out of 10 is still very high. We would get 1’s and 2’s
@JimmyBoosterCrate
@JimmyBoosterCrate 4 ай бұрын
We would not be in this video lol this is about world champions
@tobiasobermayr501
@tobiasobermayr501 4 ай бұрын
"on her genius" Magnus: "I don't see her genius" LOL
@aivenchris3888
@aivenchris3888 3 ай бұрын
just realize that sanity rating is there because of fischer......lmao
@subhanusaxena7199
@subhanusaxena7199 Жыл бұрын
Interesting seeing this after she beat him in the Park in Spain last week
@SuperYtc1
@SuperYtc1 Жыл бұрын
Not really. A blitz game at the park doesn't mean much.
@BlakeJob9
@BlakeJob9 Жыл бұрын
I don’t think the park game changes anything
@joannewilson6577
@joannewilson6577 Жыл бұрын
@@SuperYtc1 At her best she was 8 in the world against the best man with an Elo of 2735! In 1991, Polgár achieved the title of Grandmaster at the age of 15 years and 4 months, at the time the youngest to have done so, breaking the record previously held by former World Champion Bobby Fischer. She was the youngest player ever to break into the FIDE top 100 players rating list, ranking No. 55 in the January 1989 rating list, at the age of 12.
@joannewilson6577
@joannewilson6577 Жыл бұрын
@@dixidum2380 You are Full of S..t! and a mysogynist! at her best she was 8 in the world against the best man with an Elo of 2735! In 1991, Polgár achieved the title of Grandmaster at the age of 15 years and 4 months, at the time the youngest to have done so, breaking the record previously held by former World Champion Bobby Fischer. She was the youngest player ever to break into the FIDE top 100 players rating list, ranking No. 55 in the January 1989 rating list, at the age of 12.
@SuperYtc1
@SuperYtc1 Жыл бұрын
@@joannewilson6577 Not sure what any of that has to do with a game of blitz at the park.
@adiands850
@adiands850 4 ай бұрын
I agree with Magnus's scores. However I think there are good grounds to rank her influence at 9.5 or 10. Since women represent a small minority of professional chess players, I don't think it's right to judge "influence" in the same way as Kasparov/Fisher/Anand. They have been influential, but only for the men's game. In some ways, they were detrimental for the women's game. So I think "influence" needs to be scored according to the particular circumstances. Read up on Susan and Judit's biographies and you will have nothing but admiration for how they broke through barriers and paved the way for women's chess, despite unfair treatment and discrimination. Without Judit, there would be no empirical evidence that women can compete with men at super GM level (2700+ ELO). The influence of that alone cannot be underestimated.
@macdonaldnnadi
@macdonaldnnadi 3 ай бұрын
Why are u arguing 1 fucking point? People like u need to actually spend their time more wisely
@themisfitoddity
@themisfitoddity 4 ай бұрын
yep, 7 to her, 8 to himself, and only Kasparov scored 10.
@philj9594
@philj9594 Жыл бұрын
Just going to copy and paste my reply to someone else so everyone complaining about the 7 can actually understand what Magnus was saying. "You are making a mistake here by getting caught up in semantics and possibly even your own biases about what chess skill is. Do you perhaps think that chess skill is synonymous with intelligence and therefore are interpreting Magnus as essentially giving her a 7/10 in IQ and a 7/10 in chess skill? Because that isn't at all what he is saying or insinuating here. He is using the term genius to describe a player that has unique ideas and creative play that goes way outside the norm among even other GMs. He still acknowledges Judit as being one of the all-time greats, but he isn't going to lie just to satisfy your feelings. You could be the best chess player to have ever lived and still not get a 10 in this category according to how Magnus is defining it."
@SIMONWilliams-yx3kv
@SIMONWilliams-yx3kv 25 күн бұрын
What does Magnus know. Judith is definitely a GENIUS.
@kjford587
@kjford587 18 күн бұрын
It's a scale for the elite of the elite, he 'only' gave himself an 8 and he is arguably the greatest ever, definitely the strongest ever to. He wasn't slighting her by giing a 7 at all.
@Orca_mammal
@Orca_mammal 17 күн бұрын
He knows better than you
@jimcastile1905
@jimcastile1905 6 ай бұрын
what does sanity mean in a chess game?
@user-bk9fk2tq2z
@user-bk9fk2tq2z 3 ай бұрын
It doesn't mean anything in a Chess game. It's just sanity in real life...like Fischer gets a low sanity score because of his paranoia and his extreme views and stuff.
@Anonymityfan
@Anonymityfan 3 ай бұрын
He tried so hard to not offend anyone with that first answer 😂
@MouseGuardian
@MouseGuardian 3 ай бұрын
How so? He was very objectively giving a rating, like with anyone else! She got the same genius rating as Fischer and it's absolutely deserved! I mean, he knows how it is to be beaten by her;)
@williambunter3311
@williambunter3311 2 жыл бұрын
Magnus speaks remarkably good English. As does Judit and Susan. Their obvious great intelligence is not confined to chess alone!
@MADGennaro
@MADGennaro 2 жыл бұрын
I actually think he doesn’t speak that well considering he’s from Norway, I haven’t met a Norwegian that doesn’t speak it and Magnus would rank a bit low compared to some of my friends from there.
@williambunter3311
@williambunter3311 2 жыл бұрын
@@MADGennaro And no doubt he would checkmate each and every one of them with ease! I would suggest that your comment is itself short of a couple of commas, so one could point out that your own English grammar is far from perfect!
@Efical
@Efical 2 жыл бұрын
@@williambunter3311 Get off your high horse my dude. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGioXpSljbGNfbs
@Efical
@Efical 2 жыл бұрын
@@MADGennaro When it comes to magnus I think he's just extremely self concious and doesn't want to make any mistake, I experience this myself even today when I get told I am on a "mother tongue" level of english (which I still deny because I'm aware of the things I don't know) but still I would rather take my time and sound like I need to think to get any word out than not getting exactly my point across. The more languages you do speak the harder it is to even speak your own language perfectly because your brain will mix up things, all of the sudden you're remembering english words you know perfectly well the meaning to but can't translate it. That being said I think magnus has a decent amount of vocabularies safed up and also his understanding of the english language is really good. He might never reach the heights of someone like Russel Brand, but his skills are more than well suited for all interactions he will encounter, and that is what matter in the end isn't it?
@williambunter3311
@williambunter3311 2 жыл бұрын
@@Efical You neglected to insert a comma after 'horse'! Definitely something you need to work on. And what's this waffle about Russell Brand? You sound rather confused, to be honest.
@comic4relief
@comic4relief 2 жыл бұрын
Total 35: pretty good!
@user-bs5dr4jm1x
@user-bs5dr4jm1x 2 ай бұрын
Sometimes you just don't know that you don't know
@user-iq6cc3df3l
@user-iq6cc3df3l 10 күн бұрын
I was pretty good when I was 17 and I think I was rated 1600 just before I quit. But I’d give Judit a run for her money in my prime. She wouldn’t have beaten me for at least 10 or 15 moves ;-)
@sebastianavalos1917
@sebastianavalos1917 3 ай бұрын
Curioso qie diga que no es tan genio, que se debe más a repetición de patrones cuando era joven... Cuando la mayoría de los grandes jugadores empiezan haciendo repeticiones cuando niños, inclusive él mismo 😅
@solutionxero
@solutionxero 11 ай бұрын
lmao "sanity"
@zah936
@zah936 2 жыл бұрын
Extreme repetition from practiced games are bound to happen when you have the responsibility to prove something and you can't go about it with Tal's recklessness.
@robertwilson3866
@robertwilson3866 Жыл бұрын
@@dixidum2380 That is a major achievement being the best of your sex. Why you putting her down?
@williamwilliam4944
@williamwilliam4944 Жыл бұрын
@@dixidum2380 you think judit polgar doesn't destroy gms in chess? Educate yourself
@canberkarpat
@canberkarpat 3 ай бұрын
Sanity 10 is too funny 😂😂
@drnike591
@drnike591 Жыл бұрын
Magnus Carlsen was at our school :) he gave me a 0.5 in Genius :(
@teenspirit1
@teenspirit1 6 ай бұрын
You are half the way there!
@attilahalmai4590
@attilahalmai4590 Жыл бұрын
The 7 points for Judit's genius is a little surprising and underrating, I think. The other points are perfect.
@mohammedmalik7992
@mohammedmalik7992 Жыл бұрын
To lay people all chess grand masters are geniuses. Grand masters themselves, on the other hand, are a lot more selective on whom they call "geniuses"
@iluvatarchem
@iluvatarchem Жыл бұрын
You do know that she was just a top 20 GM right?
@christyrobinson4697
@christyrobinson4697 Жыл бұрын
Not so much when you consider he gave Bobby Fisher a 7 too lol
@attilahalmai4590
@attilahalmai4590 Жыл бұрын
@@iluvatarchem She was top10. She was the 8th on the world ranking list at about 2005.
@iluvatarchem
@iluvatarchem Жыл бұрын
@@attilahalmai4590 dear god why is this conversation keeps on going? OK she was top 10. Why is that SO SPECIAL? Magnus gives himself an 8 and he is n1 for the last 10 years. Why are people annoyed with the mark he gave her? WHY is a 7 for a top 10 worth posting a comment on utube? I'll tell you why: Because she is a woman. Be objective pls, this is getting kinda stupid. A chess player is a chess player. Sex does NOT matter.
@TheMrBennito
@TheMrBennito 8 ай бұрын
Genius hopefully defined as.....
@2DarkHorizon
@2DarkHorizon 2 жыл бұрын
Is that last question a joke? Haha so the assumption is all great chess players are potentially crazy.
@dash_r_media
@dash_r_media Жыл бұрын
Korchnoi said that no chess players were normal, they only differ in the extent of their madness
@Jagang8
@Jagang8 Жыл бұрын
@@dash_r_media Shit take, you can say that about all people and it will make as much sense. There is not a single "normal" person in the world.
@g-1393
@g-1393 Жыл бұрын
@@Jagang8 I think sanity in this case means humbleness more than mental health
@williambeckley3029
@williambeckley3029 Жыл бұрын
No, with genius comes a tendency to sometimes lose touch with what is normally considered as sane. There is so much going on in those heads it is sometimes difficult to keep it all straight, to keep it all in perspective, to see the forest, and not completely geek out on certain individual trees, so to speak. Look at Bobby Fischer, clearly a genius, but went off balance without any clear reason why. It's complicated, if that makes any sense. So the question may occur to people, where is this particular genius on the scale of keeping a grip on reality, keeping perspective on the big picture. Are there issues with sanity.
@joannewilson6577
@joannewilson6577 Жыл бұрын
@@williambeckley3029 Einstein was not insane so has most of the genius..
@Dr.Rae-101
@Dr.Rae-101 3 ай бұрын
Hasn't she beaten every world champions of the modern times in some form or another?
@user-bk9fk2tq2z
@user-bk9fk2tq2z 3 ай бұрын
Yes
@vvvvvv6365
@vvvvvv6365 3 ай бұрын
Carlsen: Genius - 10
@bioinfor
@bioinfor Жыл бұрын
I think any player that attacks as much as Judit must have a high level of creativity. Also, he might want to update the number now, in light of their latest game: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqfFi3aInsloebs
@dailydoseofchessclips_
@dailydoseofchessclips_ Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@kargs5krun
@kargs5krun Жыл бұрын
If it was a tournament game/challenge match LOSS, you'd be right/accurate. But "blitz" losses happen to all the greats if they DARE to play them.....often like Carlsen does.
@kayesauli1454
@kayesauli1454 Жыл бұрын
@@kargs5krun even it was an official match, it wouldn’t make any difference at all. One game doesn’t mean shit. Magnus rated himself 8 in terms of genius and his peak is over 150 elo higher than that of Judit. 7 is more than fair
@joannewilson6577
@joannewilson6577 Жыл бұрын
At her best she was 8 in the world against the best man with an Elo of 2735! In 1991, Polgár achieved the title of Grandmaster at the age of 15 years and 4 months, at the time the youngest to have done so, breaking the record previously held by former World Champion Bobby Fischer. She was the youngest player ever to break into the FIDE top 100 players rating list, ranking No. 55 in the January 1989 rating list, at the age of 12.
@joannewilson6577
@joannewilson6577 Жыл бұрын
@@kargs5krun She has won or shared first in the chess tournaments of Hastings 1993, Madrid 1994, León 1996, U.S. Open 1998, Hoogeveen 1999, Sigeman & Co 2000, Japfa 2000, and the Najdorf Memorial 2000. Polgár is the only woman to have won a game against a reigning world number one player, and has defeated eleven current or former world champions in either rapid or classical chess: Magnus Carlsen, Anatoly Karpov, Garry Kasparov, Vladimir Kramnik, Boris Spassky, Vasily Smyslov, Veselin Topalov, Viswanathan Anand, Ruslan Ponomariov, Alexander Khalifman, and Rustam Kasimdzhanov.
@kartz2010
@kartz2010 Жыл бұрын
Doesn't matter how many games you win or how spectacularly you play, as long as you didn't invent those ideas, you are not a genius, according to Magnus.
@Radrook353
@Radrook353 Жыл бұрын
Perhaps the ability to easily use the established ideas in a overwhelmingly effective way might be a sign of genius.
@lordcezar4657
@lordcezar4657 10 ай бұрын
@@Radrook353 genius in terms of creativity. In the game between magnus and nepo (game 6, 2021) magnus placed his rook in front of his passed pawns and managed to convert a dead draw
@nahuel3256
@nahuel3256 Жыл бұрын
19 moves :P
@reefkayoss
@reefkayoss Жыл бұрын
Put her against him in a real match that he actually cares about n we will see why being the "best female player ever" doesnt really mean shit...
@insectpolitician7278
@insectpolitician7278 Жыл бұрын
@@reefkayoss She sat Kasparov down in his prime when he was pulling no punches.
@reefkayoss
@reefkayoss Жыл бұрын
@@insectpolitician7278 Maybe she did...but he was a world champion n she wasnt...no disrespect to her...she is a great player...i jus think ppl are getting a bit carried away coz she beat Magnus in a park game that he clearly wasnt taking seriously..shes nowhere near the level of Carlsen..
@krisshjaiswal8285
@krisshjaiswal8285 3 ай бұрын
​@@insectpolitician7278yeah 11-2 score says it all how great she is 😂
@insectpolitician7278
@insectpolitician7278 3 ай бұрын
@@krisshjaiswal8285Yes, it does. We could play this game with 100 of the top players of all time vs the best of their era and it would look as bad. How many recent Niemann fans realise that Carlsen's overall record against him is as dominant as Gary's over Judit? Few I imagine. Gary is possibly the greatest player who ever lived, and Judit handily beat him with drastically worse opening theory, meaning her middlegame had to be spectacular. Every major pro has commented on this, but you seem to know better. What is your fide rating incidentally?
@perbymayhaps4890
@perbymayhaps4890 Жыл бұрын
19
@hallu6666
@hallu6666 3 ай бұрын
Fischer was the greatest of all times… because in his prime he was way ahead of the best players of his time. There were at least a dozen Soviet players, both world champions and champion-class players, during his time, and he beat them all convincingly on his way to the throne. To get a 4 point advantage against a ruling champion, as he did in his championship bout against Spassky, was an unheard of feat in those times. Besides, he didn’t have world class seconds as his Soviet opponents did, and had to prepare for his matches practically alone.
@aRandomGuy924
@aRandomGuy924 3 ай бұрын
Even if we assume for a second that how much better you are compared to the rest of the field is the only metric to judge who is the greatest like you are implying fischer still wouldn't cut it because Morphy and phillidor were both better than the field they played against by a way bigger margin than Fischer was. And also no fischer did not prepare alone stop waffling he stayed and prepared in multiple chess clubs in America and also had a second named William Lombardy for his wcc match who at the time was the second best player in the us and a good friend of fischer. So you are wrong on so many levels here
@Tech-vn1jv
@Tech-vn1jv 2 ай бұрын
You are the only person on the planet that says Fisher was the best, bet money you are wrong.
@robertwilson3866
@robertwilson3866 Жыл бұрын
Why do they have Sanity??
@andresgonzalez887
@andresgonzalez887 Жыл бұрын
To avoid going crazy i guess
@itwasntconnected3179
@itwasntconnected3179 2 жыл бұрын
I like that Magnus wasn't all politically correct and gave an honest analysis.
@Smileater
@Smileater 2 жыл бұрын
A sexist analysis, disregarding the chess world has been always hostile to women and girls, and Judit had to overcome both.
@SkiingIsBelieving859
@SkiingIsBelieving859 2 жыл бұрын
@@Smileater not sure what your saying. I think magnus actually showed a lot of respect for her here. She herself has talked about the fact that she was trained in chess from a young age. One thing that magnus doesn’t mention and many others fail to mention is that almost all the male super gms also started playing at a super young age and practiced a ton so saying she’s only good because of repetition is a little unfair.
@itv5610
@itv5610 Жыл бұрын
@@Smileater cry more libtard
@williambeckley3029
@williambeckley3029 Жыл бұрын
@@SkiingIsBelieving859 agreed. Well stated.
@joannewilson6577
@joannewilson6577 Жыл бұрын
At her best she was 8 in the world against the best man with an Elo of 2735! In 1991, Polgár achieved the title of Grandmaster at the age of 15 years and 4 months, at the time the youngest to have done so, breaking the record previously held by former World Champion Bobby Fischer. She was the youngest player ever to break into the FIDE top 100 players rating list, ranking No. 55 in the January 1989 rating list, at the age of 12.
@johnnyllooddte3415
@johnnyllooddte3415 Жыл бұрын
meanwhile she beats him today
@joannewilson6577
@joannewilson6577 Жыл бұрын
@@dixidum2380 You are Full of S..t! and a mysogynist! at her best she was 8 in the world against the best man with an Elo of 2735! In 1991, Polgár achieved the title of Grandmaster at the age of 15 years and 4 months, at the time the youngest to have done so, breaking the record previously held by former World Champion Bobby Fischer. She was the youngest player ever to break into the FIDE top 100 players rating list, ranking No. 55 in the January 1989 rating list, at the age of 12.
@joegilmour5251
@joegilmour5251 Жыл бұрын
Pues te ganó en un parque macho
@paulpaulsen3357
@paulpaulsen3357 11 сағат бұрын
So Polgar not really a genius because of its repetition habits but still entertaining… 🤷‍♂️ ? Not sure he can himself rate 8 on genius with such a remark
@awakenedsoul2638
@awakenedsoul2638 Жыл бұрын
We are talking about chess so if I will rate Judit's Intelligence in chess I will give her a 9. I want how honest Carlsen is in rating other grand masters but 7 is low for a world chess champion AND DUBBED THE STRONGEST WOMAN IN CHESS, the strongest in her era!
@pieter7947
@pieter7947 Жыл бұрын
He gave himself an 8
@awakenedsoul2638
@awakenedsoul2638 Жыл бұрын
@@pieter7947 You wait until he lose!
@pieter7947
@pieter7947 Жыл бұрын
@@awakenedsoul2638 I mean, he rates genius as in finding ideas that no-one has found before. That's why he rated Kasparov a 10, because he was revolutionary in his strategical and tactical genius
@awakenedsoul2638
@awakenedsoul2638 Жыл бұрын
@@pieter7947 I get it. I want to see Carlsen loose this year when they do the World Chess Championship!
@Kevin-mk6tf
@Kevin-mk6tf Жыл бұрын
@@awakenedsoul2638 what are you talking about he’s not even playing
@dr.athariqbal5487
@dr.athariqbal5487 23 күн бұрын
Magnus don't wanna get canceled on twitter
@nossenkanter
@nossenkanter Жыл бұрын
I just disagree with 7 for genius lmao I mean there's only 100 or so players ever to reach 2700, if she's a 7 almost no one is an 8 let alone 9 or 10.
@philj9594
@philj9594 Жыл бұрын
You are making a mistake here by getting caught up in semantics and possibly even your own biases about what chess skill is. Do you perhaps think that chess skill is synonymous with intelligence and therefore are interpreting Magnus as essentially giving her a 7/10 in IQ and a 7/10 in chess skill? Because that isn't at all what he is saying or insinuating here. He is using the term genius to describe a player that has unique ideas and creative play that goes way outside the norm among even other GMs. He still acknowledges Judit as being one of the all-time greats, but he isn't going to lie just to satisfy your feelings. You could be the best chess player to have ever lived and still not get a 10 in this category according to how Magnus is defining it.
@nossenkanter
@nossenkanter Жыл бұрын
​@@philj9594 Actually I used an objective metric and told you my standard. Anyone 2700 or higher must at least be an 8, maybe higher. Why? Because if not, there is no sample size for 9 or 10. 9 could be 2750-2800 and 10 could be 2800 plus.
@MONSTERGAMING-jl4ze
@MONSTERGAMING-jl4ze 8 ай бұрын
​@@nossenkanterhe did not rate them according to their strength if he did so then she will maybe get a 5 but he is giving her a rating on the basis of new ideas created or maybe new opening or something that she contributed to the theory ( basically a natural understanding of a position ) a genius in this scale would be capablanca and Kasparov Her style was aggressive that's why she got good on entertainment
@nossenkanter
@nossenkanter 8 ай бұрын
@@MONSTERGAMING-jl4ze I mean again, 2700 rating speaks for itself.
@MONSTERGAMING-jl4ze
@MONSTERGAMING-jl4ze 8 ай бұрын
Yep weird because he has 2882 rating but still he gave himself 8
@shubhamvibhuti
@shubhamvibhuti 4 ай бұрын
Male world champion???🤣
@hugoantunesartwithblender
@hugoantunesartwithblender 2 жыл бұрын
Well, it was extreme repetition for him too, since Inate talent doesn't exist. That was also what polgar experiment showed
@Ryu53898
@Ryu53898 2 жыл бұрын
Oh really ? Then the #2 just have to do more repetitions and will become world champion. Thanks !
@hugoantunesartwithblender
@hugoantunesartwithblender 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ryu53898 exactly. But is not "just" because would need to do even more than Carlsen xD But well, can you prove me that talent exists?
@HellBound1100
@HellBound1100 2 жыл бұрын
Talent doesn't exist? What a ridiculous thing to say
@hugoantunesartwithblender
@hugoantunesartwithblender 2 жыл бұрын
@@HellBound1100 yes talent don't exist. Prove me that it exists. Give 3 balls to anyone that never tried juggling before. Yep, you now know balls will fall. Where's the talent?
@hugoantunesartwithblender
@hugoantunesartwithblender 2 жыл бұрын
@@HellBound1100 besides, read about the polgar experiment that proves talent is a fantasy
@justwatching6186
@justwatching6186 Жыл бұрын
Just saw him get smoked by her in 20. Hahahaha
@BlakeJob9
@BlakeJob9 Жыл бұрын
Not lets see her do it in the candidates, oh wait
@krisshjaiswal8285
@krisshjaiswal8285 3 ай бұрын
Smoked him😂 11-2 officially not some friendly casual match 😂
@belatoth4098
@belatoth4098 Жыл бұрын
You were beaten buy her...
@joneskamikaze6228
@joneskamikaze6228 Жыл бұрын
as a natural born loser i had to down vote 😀
@stevenknight6756
@stevenknight6756 Жыл бұрын
This didn't age well since she tricked him out of his Queen about 3 months ago in El Retiro Chess Park in Madrid.
@HkFinn83
@HkFinn83 Жыл бұрын
How does that invalidate anything he said? 2400 players can beat super gms in a game
@stevenknight6756
@stevenknight6756 Жыл бұрын
@@HkFinn83 I didn't say anything was necessarily invalidated. I'm saying it's funny that he rated her as lower on genius than himself, but then he blundered his queen to her recently. Just because Magnus may be the best Chess player in the world doesn't mean he has the credentials to rate her intelligence. It's subjective.
@HkFinn83
@HkFinn83 Жыл бұрын
@@stevenknight6756 you’re totally confused. He’s being asked about her genius...at chess. If he isn’t qualified to rate that, nobody is. I don’t know if English is a second language for you, but he wasn’t asked about her ‘intelligence’, and didn’t comment on it.
@stevenknight6756
@stevenknight6756 Жыл бұрын
@@HkFinn83 I'm not confused at all. "Genius at chess" is completely subjective. Magnus himself has said himself that he doesn't consider himself a genius outside of chess. His ability, as a prodigy, to have every position from every game in the database memorized isn't "genius." A large percentage of his wins aren't from inspired attacking sequences, but from pulling wins out of drawing endgames. That's because he's mechanically better than most of his competitors. But some, like me, could consider players like Polgar, Tal, and Anand to be higher ranked in the genius department because of the magic they create on the board. No, Magnus isn't a God. He blunders, he loses (apparently to people like Hans who was way less ranked), and his opinions aren't the Supreme law of the land.
@stevenknight6756
@stevenknight6756 Жыл бұрын
@@HkFinn83 And perhaps you should study up because genius and intelligence are often connected. There's no official "genius" definition in the Chess dictionary. XD
@youtubecensoringcomments7427
@youtubecensoringcomments7427 Жыл бұрын
The series is called magnus carlsen rates world champions but judith was never a world champion. But since she is a woman they have to include her... The same for Hou Yifan
@Chris-vi6tg
@Chris-vi6tg Жыл бұрын
She isnt crazy ? gee thats disappointing :(
@williambeckley3029
@williambeckley3029 Жыл бұрын
Very funny.
@rq4740
@rq4740 2 жыл бұрын
I can't say that I see genius in her... uh... her play!
@Smileater
@Smileater 2 жыл бұрын
Sad
@joannewilson6577
@joannewilson6577 Жыл бұрын
She did beat him last week in 9 moves... At her best she was 8 in the world against the best man with an Elo of 2735! In 1991, Polgár achieved the title of Grandmaster at the age of 15 years and 4 months, at the time the youngest to have done so, breaking the record previously held by former World Champion Bobby Fischer. She was the youngest player ever to break into the FIDE top 100 players rating list, ranking No. 55 in the January 1989 rating list, at the age of 12.
@joannewilson6577
@joannewilson6577 Жыл бұрын
She has won or shared first in the chess tournaments of Hastings 1993, Madrid 1994, León 1996, U.S. Open 1998, Hoogeveen 1999, Sigeman & Co 2000, Japfa 2000, and the Najdorf Memorial 2000. Polgár is the only woman to have won a game against a reigning world number one player, and has defeated eleven current or former world champions in either rapid or classical chess: Magnus Carlsen, Anatoly Karpov, Garry Kasparov, Vladimir Kramnik, Boris Spassky, Vasily Smyslov, Veselin Topalov, Viswanathan Anand, Ruslan Ponomariov, Alexander Khalifman, and Rustam Kasimdzhanov.
@JimmyBoosterCrate
@JimmyBoosterCrate 4 ай бұрын
..seriously? Grass. Now.
@krisshjaiswal8285
@krisshjaiswal8285 3 ай бұрын
​@@joannewilson6577just one achievement and feminists are flying in skies that too in a casual match She got her ass whooped by magnus many times The score stands 11-2 and 5 draws And in classical 2-0 and 1 draw
@medexamtoolsdotcom
@medexamtoolsdotcom Жыл бұрын
"Sanity"? Why is that on the list. What value is that anyway? The most interesting and best chess player of all time (Fischer) certainly had none of that "sanity" crud.
@schusterlehrling
@schusterlehrling 4 ай бұрын
That's exactly why it is on the list. And he was the best 1970-1972, that's not even three years, not certainly not the best of all times. For that you need stamina a quality not found in Fischer or Morphy.
@Bwijaya2301
@Bwijaya2301 2 жыл бұрын
Nahahahahahyssss
@manisdogfish
@manisdogfish 2 жыл бұрын
Why do we have to rate people? Can't we just appreciate the person with all of their unique and wonderful aspects
@MrSupernova111
@MrSupernova111 2 жыл бұрын
How can you appreciate someone's skill without knowing how their skill compares to other?? This video is about chess - not Judit's personality.
@kreek22
@kreek22 2 жыл бұрын
Life is competition.
@Smileater
@Smileater 2 жыл бұрын
It’s subjective, so it’s a very random opinion, from a champion who knows nothing about sex-based inequality
@user-eo1vk
@user-eo1vk 2 жыл бұрын
It's necessary to rate them Your chess rating determine to be GM,IM,NM
@MrSupernova111
@MrSupernova111 Жыл бұрын
@@dixidum2380 . Are you stupid? First of all, Judit retired many years ago. Second, she was #8 in the world at her peak, and thirdly she defeated a few FIDE champions during her career. Saying that Judit isn't "shit" is the same as saying that today's top ten players, other than Magnus, ain't "shit." Ignorance at its finest! By your definition Nepo, Alireza, Levon, So, Nakamura and many other world class players ain't "shit." Yet, your only accomplishment is banging on the keyboard from your mom's house. If you want to see shit look in the mirror.
@jeffreykaufmann2867
@jeffreykaufmann2867 2 жыл бұрын
What does Sanity rating mean? Are some pro chess players mental ill?
@kreek22
@kreek22 2 жыл бұрын
Treat every man after his deserts and who should scape a whipping?
@jeffreykaufmann2867
@jeffreykaufmann2867 2 жыл бұрын
@@kreek22 ?
@JSheridanEntilZha
@JSheridanEntilZha 2 жыл бұрын
Fischer was not exactly well headed, and is consequently low rated by Magnus in this one. On the opposite you have great champions such as Anand or Polgar who are perfectly sane
@kimaboe
@kimaboe 2 жыл бұрын
Some are mentally ill, not many... some are just very emotional, meaning that if they lose a game during a tournament, they can have trouble coming back and playing their best. I think Magnus' ratings on that point were a mix.
@markgy5307
@markgy5307 5 ай бұрын
narrow minded. a genius would never mark a human with numbers.
@Ludwig_Van_Aristossine
@Ludwig_Van_Aristossine 8 ай бұрын
So much insecure women who didnt like that magnus didnt find genius in her play, and I agree I watched her games, she was playing solidly but no new creative ideas
@b0obross392
@b0obross392 3 жыл бұрын
He said "I wouldn't necessarily say that I can see genius in her play." and "the best female chess player of all time" in the same time. I know, that being on the top, he can get away with anything he says and you can praise him how honest he is. But he should speak a much more humble way about players of a previous era, when romanticism wasn't totally vanished from the game yet and when the world champion was not worse then an ordinary computer.
@alenciaga21
@alenciaga21 3 жыл бұрын
You have to remember though that he doesn't even call himself a genius. For him genius is probably not even the point of the game. More hard work and love for the game. The fact he likes her style and praises her influence means a lot more than if he would call her a genius. At least in my opinion :)
@unculturedswine5583
@unculturedswine5583 2 жыл бұрын
his words make more sense than any sort of talk people give about talent, not to mention polgar was literally an experiment by her father to prove that nurture is more important to brilliance than nature or natural talent, her style being full of singular natural talent would be besides the point and yeah as nia said magnus is far more humble about his own talent than even other wcs before him, who talk about magnus carlsen's potential way more generously, (kasparov and kramnik have nothing but praise for him, even from a really young age, not that that means that magnus is better just that that's a fact) you can interpret his words how you like and speak of arrogance but he certainly doesn't downplay the talent of people any more than he does to himself, in fact he seems to only really be harsh on a few players, namely fischer and polgar, and he gives actual reason to it, talking about their playstyles and that he's forming his opinion based on that, rather than just saying that they definitely are just cause. i's clear that any wc compared to anand and carlsen, is far more obviously cocky and self-important about their own chess skill and rank in chess history , kasparov, fischer, karpov, you name it, fischer was also notoriously an obsessively hard worker, magnus actually seems like the opposite(really unlike other wcs, he's quite a slacker comparatively) tho he's humble enough to rarely ever mention that or ever take any credit for it he could still be exaggerating but it's pretty natural for people to take his words as it is when he's frankly being quite credible and there's little reason to doubt him, if anything people say he's honest because he's quite transparent and reasonable with his words, he's already said that in terms of chess greats and even in general life he's not one to ordinarily judge or idolize people based on who they were as a person but rather that he idolized what they were capable of and their accomplishments. that's a pretty objective but also human way of looking at things, I don't know a more reasonable way to look at the champions. he even made a separate grade to judge people's state of character
@z483gk
@z483gk 2 жыл бұрын
Look at that this way: the fact that she is the best female chess player of all time mean that every other woman in chess is worse.
@unculturedswine5583
@unculturedswine5583 2 жыл бұрын
@@aleks-wy6uf the most reputable modern chess masters agree that chess talent is different from intelligence, wildly so, magnus even said that to him it seems that the most intelligent people seem to not really be as well suited to chess as most people think, and that the smartest chess grandmasters he's seen would've easily outclassed everyone else if it was about intelligence, but their intelligence to him actually seems to cap their chess talent it's sort of obvious that magnus is rather talking about chess genius or that top grade natural talent for chess, something that's ingrained and unique, magnus has even said that his father is considerably more intelligent than him and that despite being world champion, he is absolutely not a genius, he's said this many many times, he is obviously still know to be very intelligent and has a prodigious memory and you saying kasparov shouldn't be compared to magnus because competition but fischer should because of his big lead is dumb because the same applies to the gap between kasparov and fischer, kasparov had oppostion from karpov's generation, the generation after that and even to an extent the young generation after that, fischer also straight up had no karpov, spassky was just not as good as people think when the games were properly analysed, his lead was made bigger by how little competition he really had and he was also more obsessed with chess than literally anyone else, which isn't really about natural chess genius or intelligence and simply about more time to work on their chess and practice of course some of my words are assumptions just like yours but I can trust the top players when they say garry is easily the most impressive, more true especially the higher up the ladder you go, cause they've probably analysed these games since forever and they wouldn't be frivolous or superficial with their rankings in a sport they've dedicated their lives to, idolizing players blindly comes second to that, unlike a lot of people who seem to fanboy over fischer due to his wider cultural impact, i'm not talking about you, but just that it's pretty clear that a lot of people do and that could give people a slanted impression which also doesn't mean that fischer wasn't an amazing player, just as judit is as well, magnus or the top players have never disagreed with the fact that fischer played like very few has, but magnus is saying that he doesn't think it was because fischer has that high a natural chess iq, as it is the factors surrounding it, his competition and honestly, fischer's pretty unhealthy obsession with chess, and a lot of this is just from game analysis, which mind you is obviously super powerful in chess for judging players considering computers and also that the only way to get more information and look closer at those games would be by looking into the player's minds or by literally asking the players good questions, and you can already predict some of their thoughts with analysis and stockpiles of those games say a lot about players and that's magnus and a lot of the high level-chess world's judgement after examination and study of such games, it's still a prediction but they had the tools to look pretty in depth, it seems to me and that's what they thought, so id say they're right chess talent is an odd thing, they say that magnus' unique talent is evaluating the value of board positions by instinct, and he can do in tandem with calculating moves ahead and in any situation, it's something he's just had since he was a child, identified easily by kramnik and kasparov even then, and the uniqueness other gms saw in him as a child , an inherent advantage that kasparov never had, that's chess talent, an odd thing that's less about intelligence and more about instinctual understanding and the different ways it can manifest and the intellectual advantages only make you better at chess by helping you with that understanding indirectly, that's just how i interpret it anyways but it's clearly closer to the reality than iq=chess iq
@annalisajohn
@annalisajohn 2 жыл бұрын
@@z483gk ok, you're in trouble.
@iluvatarchem
@iluvatarchem Жыл бұрын
What is all this discussion about the 7? She was just a top 20 GM, not some legendary super GM. Why is it that people can't see a person instead of a gender? She was brilliant but not a genius. Is she was a genius she would be world champion.
@yeee33333
@yeee33333 Жыл бұрын
What are you talking about? She was 8 in the world, and definitely a super GM. And considering that he gave Bobby Fischer a 7, Judit’s score would clearly place her in a category with the legends
@iluvatarchem
@iluvatarchem Жыл бұрын
@@yeee33333 yes excuse me top 10 lol. Since when a top 10 GM is a legend? Are you serious right now? If I ask you to point to the number 8 from the 70s you will not have a clue who it was. Although I am sure it is extremely hard for you to not focus on her gender pls try to. Magnus just judged her as a chess player. He doesnt see gender in questions about chess skill. Good for him, bad for you I guess
@JimmyBoosterCrate
@JimmyBoosterCrate 4 ай бұрын
Super GM Is 2700+ so she is one, but your point stands
@krisshjaiswal8285
@krisshjaiswal8285 3 ай бұрын
Fr and that one casual match in which she defeated magnus these feminist are flying over the skies She is not even near magnus
@futurefox128
@futurefox128 Жыл бұрын
Imagine watching this after watching Judit vs Magnus in the park 2022... If you see this comment, you are probably not imaginating.
@NoPlace99
@NoPlace99 Жыл бұрын
Was he even serious?
@13anjowizard
@13anjowizard Жыл бұрын
cmon, nobody believes that shite was real
@georgesmith4639
@georgesmith4639 Жыл бұрын
Why is top level chess segregated by gender? It's not like it's an athletic sport.
@iluvatarchem
@iluvatarchem Жыл бұрын
It is not segregated. Women can participate wherever they want but they gave them their own championships also because the difference between men and women is very large. Women have their own tours in order to have some kind of financial incentive. It is actually unfair for the men if you think about it more carefully than you currently do:P
@burnerburner7264
@burnerburner7264 Жыл бұрын
It's not segregated. There's just few female top chess players. The best female chess player in the world right now is Hou Yifan and she is semi-retired at just 28 years old because at her peak rating she was 55th in the world which is great but chess, unless you're at the very top, like top 20, is not a very lucrative career, especially when compared to other sports and e-sports. In the future, there will likely be more female players of Judit Polgar's caliber (or better) because of the recent chess boom and also Queen's Gambit recent popularity.
@noone3367
@noone3367 2 жыл бұрын
but she is not a world champion
@joannewilson6577
@joannewilson6577 Жыл бұрын
At her best she was 8 in the world against the best man with an Elo of 2735! In 1991, Polgár achieved the title of Grandmaster at the age of 15 years and 4 months, at the time the youngest to have done so, breaking the record previously held by former World Champion Bobby Fischer. She was the youngest player ever to break into the FIDE top 100 players rating list, ranking No. 55 in the January 1989 rating list, at the age of 12.
@joannewilson6577
@joannewilson6577 Жыл бұрын
She has won or shared first in the chess tournaments of Hastings 1993, Madrid 1994, León 1996, U.S. Open 1998, Hoogeveen 1999, Sigeman & Co 2000, Japfa 2000, and the Najdorf Memorial 2000. Polgár is the only woman to have won a game against a reigning world number one player, and has defeated eleven current or former world champions in either rapid or classical chess: Magnus Carlsen, Anatoly Karpov, Garry Kasparov, Vladimir Kramnik, Boris Spassky, Vasily Smyslov, Veselin Topalov, Viswanathan Anand, Ruslan Ponomariov, Alexander Khalifman, and Rustam Kasimdzhanov.
@doyourownresearch7297
@doyourownresearch7297 4 ай бұрын
She can't even spell her name correctly.
@diablaui
@diablaui Жыл бұрын
M. Carlson is the most overrated chessplayer in the entire worlD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@dailydoseofchessclips_
@dailydoseofchessclips_ Жыл бұрын
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