IL-2: 1946 - The First Wave | Nakajima B5N2

[@MagzGTV]

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[@odifyltsaeb8846]

In Il-2, the most fun comes in trying to bring back and land the aircraft you should have bailed out of long time ago.

[@calinho_1515]

After Battle of bodenplatte, we need another Pacific fighters reboot

[@JamLeGull]

I once flew an Il-2 100km back to base with no elevators, had to use throttle and flaps to control pitch. It was very intense, and very rewarding to get across friendly lines and do a belly landing.

[@drchiefnska]

I always flew with Il-2 1946 HSFX, and I always had the same with the B-24 and P-38 that one of my controls were shot out. At one point.. I just knew it was going to happen.. almost every mission or every other mission with the B-24 or P-38 it happened.

[@charliewood1680]

I'm a old school gamer from the 1990s I bought the original il2 sturmovik computer game in 2001 that was top notch back then and I got the il2 1946 it's weird to think some of the kids playing this game now we're not even born when I bought it they are now 16 17 18 years old

[@gregdallaway3057]

Hell yes, *finally* some more IL-2 from this channel.

[@alehop333]

The best flight sim just because of the sheer number of mods alone, virtual cockpits be damned!

[@gizmomckopp1131]

5secs in: damn, I wish War Thunder had such nice clouds... Oh wait, years ago it actually had.

[@BelaM27X11]

they changed the clouds?

[@gizmomckopp1131]

@@BelaM27X11 years ago, yeah. War Thunder used to have nice clouds back in 2013/2014

[@kalinmir]

@@gizmomckopp1131 i dont remember them being significantly different then they are now

[@C76Caravan]

​@@BelaM27X11they did. This is how the old ones looked like: forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/409238-can-we-expect-a-rework-for-the-clouds-179/&do=findComment&comment=7638133 I also like the old ones a tad more, though sometimes the new ones are also good.

[@sterilyte]

Well done! I wouldn't mind seeing more of this sort of thing. Historical missions and such, I mean.

[@47heroes]

Great to see this! Had 1946 in my collection since launch, think it's time for another go now 😎

[@m0ther_bra1ned12]

The Full Mission Builder for this is fantastic. You can crank out reasonably detailed missions in minutes and is reasonably flexible. Not as flexible as Il-2 GBs editor but its simplicity more then makes up for it. I use it more than the quick mission builder.

[@snsm6730]

Correct...I remember waaaay back in IL2 v.1.20 (the very first) the full mission builder was at first something of a mystery but once you mastered it very satisfying...8)

[@connorbranscombe6819]

Magz you probably wont see this but I love that you manage to make an uneventful flight interesting with all the historical background info, it makes watching these videos way more fun then playing the game.

[@uncletimo6059]

Wait wait wait.... Torpedo bombers are NOT flying over land locked Russia? What happened to War Thunda?

[@ragingagent5040]

Such an under appreciated game, please do more videos of this

[@alextankian]

This game has a huge place in my heart. Remember getting it in 2007 thinking it wouldn't be able to run well on my shitty laptop (because nothing else did) then being over the moon when it did. Have put so many hours into it, it had no limits to the amount of stuff you could do. Now after having shifted to il2 bos, which is a great sim, but it just doesn't have anywhere near as much character or content. Still never managed to install CUP mod though, must've tried a silly number of times.

[@CCFarewankers]

I've flown this mission both as IJN and USAAC. It is tremendously well done and very accurate. Right from the start, (Betty bombers bombing Hickam Field as you are taking off in a P40C) it never lets up until you are dead. I deadsticked out of ammo and fuel at Pearl after destroying 4 enemy aircraft in a very intense battle.

[@fenbeiduo]

Greeting! Thanks for dl and play my mission.Spent so many hours editing-check-re-edit,and sure lots fun.Just a shame that there is no proper ships in the oringal game.

[@NZTiger1]

Great vid - enjoyed it .... I'm part of an online coop squad that creates missions / mods for this sim and we're using 4.09/UP-2.01 which is an older mod pack version compared to the most recent releases ... but it's perfect for what we do ... from the Battle of Britain through to jets in the Middle East .... enough choice from a still great sim to keep 10 - 15 guys happy each week :-)

[@muttleyjones2]

Magz, very nice opening scene, well chosen music too! You set a great mood but it was a little short if you don't mind me saying, as it was so well done I could have watched more of it. Almost cinematic!!

[@namedropper9237]

I remember being a kid seeing videos of this game and badly wanting to play. Unfortunately growing up in a low income family we could never afford it. In 2014 I had finally saved up enough to buy it on steam. I still regularly play it. I don’t regret the hours I spent as a kid watching videos of it. Currently I’m making a unmodded dynamic campaign for the Singapore map.

[@guillecast827]

My nº1 choice when the summer comes and I don't want to burn my laptop with DCS. Installed BAT two days ago!!

[@_Braised]

Always good to see you playing the real IL-2 Sturmovik ;)

[@jameswilliams1085]

what fun i had with the first IL2 games….thanks Magz

[@DavidKing-ph8or]

Wow. Just - Wow. An 18 year old game engine can still give me goosebumps. Outstanding work by the mission creator here. Looks like I am reinstalling.

[@martijn9568]

I love how Magz just casually leaves the instrument light on the whole mission through! Also, did you even catch a wire on your landing on the Akagi?

[@xXE4GLEyEXx]

I really hope Great Battles gets a Pacific theatre expansion

[@geronimo5537]

love videos on 1946. hope to see more from it soon!

[@matk4731]

Awesome I had no idea this sim was still going so strong. I’ve still got all of my original IL2 discs. I might have to reinstall them. Spent so many hours flying this. 👍🏻👍🏻🙃🙃

[@CZ350tuner]

You didn't hang around for the P-36's to come up from wheeler field. Rasmussen, in a P-36, whilst still wearing his pyjamas, shot down the first US kill of WW2. Multiplayer is now hosted on Hyperlobby and is quite active. Team Daedalus is responsible for the graphics, FX and map upgrades plus a host of new player flyable aircraft, such as the B-24 Liberator. I've flown a few multiplayer sorties from Peterhead (Scotland) across the North Sea to Norway and returned to land at Banff (Scotland). Last game update was in May 2018.

[@FirstDagger]

Akagi getting a Kai Ni in Kantai Collection and Magz making a video starting from Akagi, and possibly West Virginia being added. Coincidence? ... I think so .... xD

[@MegaSegawa]

Praise the Bauxite Queen !

[@corvin4978]

This is the game that got me into ww2 planes and tanks, my father has it and I used to play this all the time from the age of 5 and on :)

[@Jupiter__001_]

This game is actually my only flight sim (not incl. War Thunder); I bought it because it had the most missions, aircraft, and factions, and also was the cheapest IL-2 game (not incl. original, since this is an expansion of it anyway). I have an OK machine (GTX 750TI GPU and FX6300 CPU), so it makes perfect sense to buy an older game that will run better. I like messing around with it in single player, generally in custom missions.

[@PUCK202]

This game never gets old

[@shannonsteam8744]

That Farragut Class destroyer was the USS Monaghan, the Monaghan would be sunk in Halseys Typhoon (Typhoon Cobra)

[@Kommradable]

Ah yes, the best flight sim

[@jojomarujo8704]

The harbor does look better than the one in vanilla map, though if i remember correctly, you should have carrier take offs and navigate to the target all the way from carriers too - probably you forgot to click that takeoff & landing option off (?)

[@papabear6382]

this is amazing please more videos like this.

[@wolfbyte3171]

Props to the guy who made this mission and his timing programming. Not sure if the game's models are limited, but Farragut herself isn't in that destroyer nest; those are all Clemsons or Wickes.

[@prinzalbatross9526]

The game's models are pretty limited. For instance, most of the battleships are represented by Gangut.

[@MagzGTV]

It's a game model limitation, most of the ships are represented by "American Destroyer model" or "American Cruiser model" I was just referencing the reality, on December 7th 1941 the USS Farragut and three of her sister ships in class all sat berthed in that exact spot. :)

[@danielgibson9706]

Love the detail of the historical accuracy at the harbor. Will admit I was hoping to see the Arizona get hit tho

[@stevegoesrogue]

Ah the date which will live in infamy. I've gotta get myself a new Track IR and get back into simming. I love this game so much that I have sank at least 1000 hours IIRC into it and can't wait to get back to the game

[@demanischaffer]

Magz, you ever play with the BAT mod? It's a pretty big mod however it's pretty fun to mess with in the editor with B-52's, F-16's, B-29 Silverplates, bearcats and many other planes

[@hf3923]

This game + CUP mod = So much fun

[@5000mahmud]

It's called B.A.T now.

[@Incarn]

It still looks gorgeous!

[@epion660]

Magz, have you played with the SAS mod/modules? If so, do you prefer them, or do you prefer the base game?

[@CoLdFlaMe88]

Nice Video. Why your game runs so smooth? I got stuttering sometimes even my Hardware is almost as good as yours. Besides that i could run this game with onboard graphics because its that old but.. yeah.. what mods u using? :P

[@MagzGTV]

No mods outside of the pearl harbor update mod for this video. And if you are getting any stuttering on IL-2 1946 you have an issue, it's a game from 2004. It should almost be possible to port it to a smart phone and play it smooth.

[@CoLdFlaMe88]

@@MagzGTV Almost fresh new SSD with 1080 8gb GPU and a i7-4790K CPU.. On DirectX it runs smooth. But on OpenGl its smooth but every 5 to 10 sec. I got fps stuttering.. The Problem is only with OpenGl you can run this game with Water=4

[@Frankestein01nl]

Thanks Magz!

[@prep0wer]

You can place more static cameras in the mission builder and every plane has an external view.

[@prep0wer]

Also add all files not on the Windows partition so you can edit them; screen resolution, skins, missions, pilots. For VR use choose DX instead of OpenGL. IL2 2001 was also designed to use head tracking.

[@Legion_Victrix]

Best WW2 aircraft game ever made. I wish they would do a remake of it. Same aircrafts but with a better graphic engine.

[@TheitaniofRome]

even lands without catching the wire... nice job

[@SqueakySniper]

I love the idea of Il-2: 1946 but after playing a lot of BoX I really can't get past the graphics and flight modelling. Love watching videos of it though! keep up the good work Magz.

[@thegametiper2]

MagzTV the b5n2 kate was one of the planes I wanted to fly with the pearl harbor mission for il2 ultimate edition but it seems un flyable to player,

[@stock7185]

I can't get my CH rudder pedals to get "recognized" on this game. Any suggestions?

[@vincecowell6891]

enjoyed that ,have the cod mod ,now im getting this

[@X3105i]

VERY HONOURABLE!!!

[@johankearns6216]

How can i still play il2 1946 online? I really want to try it but i can't get it to work

[@Hermann-lz2jb]

I need a good recommendations for a joystick setup and anything you guys recommend to get started, my setup is a GTX 1070 with 32gigs of ram and a i7700k, anything helps immensely, thanks!

[@lucasb6860]

Those are some good specs

[@AnimeHairSyndrome]

I wonder if YG-21 (Now known as F/V Harvestor) is represented in this mission. it's usually moored near my house and I have a soft spot for it

[@troopieeeeee]

MOAR 1946!!!!

[@marciomaiajr]

Reminds me of the 1942 Pacific Air War game opening.

[@zzodr]

What kind of summary is there at the end of the mission, does it show what ships were sunk, etc ?

[@ethanspaziani1070]

I just got this game! It's cool

[@jamesshaw3500]

Time for the grandfather paradox; If I were to sink the destroyer my great grand father was on, would I still be here today.

[@Fizwalker]

James Shaw yes. The destroyer you’re sinking isn’t real! 😝

[@jamesshaw3500]

I know, I just wanted to state that this video hit home, in a unique way.

[@demanischaffer]

If we use a logical way, if the destroyer was sunk, he'll live as you can't exist if he dies

[@FelisLeopard]

Watching the video, right after i finished generating AO for my B747-200 project textures. And now i see this cockpit... Damn, this game is old... Such plain paint...

[@dallastexas2641]

Soo, what made the game show a bunch of “USS Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya” battleships instead of actual US Battleships? This a copy and paste from another mission in there, or? I get that no one is perfect and it ultimately doesn’t matter. Simply curious is all.

[@dixievfd55]

I am at this moment considering reinstalling IL-2:1946. The planes in this version have more accurate flight models than War Thunder.

[@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X]

IL-2 1946 is so good I still hold back from buying BoS.

[@joec4106]

Who else thought the first two notes in the beginning music being Skyrim? Just me? K.

[@MJMJ27]

Do you need special controllers to play this game?

[@MJMJ27]

How do you buy this game? And where do you get most of the mods?

[@tatevolk7553]

I do like that all the "american" battleships are russian dreadnoughts.

[@MitchMaker]

Climb Mt Niitaka!

[@_scooter98_92]

Gday Magz, you should check out the B.A.T modpack (about 80 GB) and a multiplayer hosting program called 'Hyperlobby' You should host a get together, see how many people we can get into a dogfight at one time.

[@blackjohnny0]

Nice graphics.

[@Ed-vi4rx]

great vid. played it al lot. Having a warthog flightstick unfortuantely not able to get it work again. thanks

[@MagzGTV]

I have a Warthog, I flew this mission on my hog Hotas. It's fiddly to set up but it works.

[@Ed-vi4rx]

The thing is. How?

[@MagzGTV]

@@Ed-vi4rx you need to make sure your Warthog Hotas and rudder peddles are in the top 4 devices attached to your computer. 1946 can only read the top 4 devices, anything after that can not be mapped in game.

[@Fizwalker]

Hate to say this Magz, as you’re usually quite accurate, but the Oglala wasn’t hit by a torpedo. She was moored outboard is the Honolulu. The torpedo in question passed under the Oglala and hit the Honolulu. When the torpedo detonated in the cruiser’s hull, it burst the seems of the old minelayer and the Oglala eventually rolled over, sailors at the time saying from “fright.” -Day of Infamy by Walter Lord

[@blownglasslide]

Helena, not Honolulu.

[@MagzGTV]

"On the morning of 7 December 1941, Oglala lay moored outboard of light cruiser Helena alongside Ten Ten Pier, Pearl Harbor Navy Yard. Around 07:55, her sailors began firing on attacking Japanese aircraft. A Nakajima B5N2 "Kate" carrier torpedo bomber released a torpedo that detonated near her port side in between her and Helena. *The blast ruptured her port hull and lifted fireroom floor plates, causing her to immediately take on water as, almost simultaneously, Japanese planes strafed her. Since the ship was receiving power from the dock, the crew was unable to start her pumps to deal with the deluge of water.* Approximately five minutes into the attack, *a bomb fell into the water between Oglala and her companion cruiser, detonating near her fireroom. She began to list five degrees to port and the rate at which she was flooding meant she would not remain afloat.* Commander Roland E. Krause, the executive officer, who was in command at the time, decided to move the ship clear of Helena and secure her directly to the pier. This was achieved by around 09:00, but 30 minutes later her list had increased to twenty degrees and the order was given to abandon ship. Sometime around 10:00, she rolled toward the dock knocking off her bridge structure and main mast as she settled to the bottom on her port side. None of the crew of Oglala were killed in the attack, although three received injuries. In his subsequent report, Commander Edmond Pryor Speight, commanding officer of Oglala, commended the entire crew for performing in accord to the “highest tradition of the Navy,” but particularly singled out two sailors. Fireman Second Class Jerald "E" Johnson took decisive action in the immediate aftermath of the attack. Johnson secured the boiler and fireroom preventing the chance of a boiler explosion and curtailing some of the flooding of the ship. Chief Boatswains Mate Anthony Zito was able to quickly get Oglala's 3-inch (76 mm)/50 caliber anti-aircraft gun into action to fire on the approaching Japanese planes. After the order was given to abandon Oglala, Zito commandeered a drifting motor launch and two of his shipmates then sped to give assistance to the ships on Battleship Row.

[@Fizwalker]

MagzTV “... A fifth plane in this group saved its torpedo, skimmed across Ford Island, and let fly at the Oglala and Helena, moored side by side at 1010 dock-the berth normally used by the battleship Pennsylvania, flagship of the whole Pacific Fleet. The torpedo passed completely under the Oglala, moored outboard, and barreled into the Helena midships-her engine-room clock stopped at 7: 57. The concussion burst the seams of the old Oglala...” (pages 65 & 66. Day of Infamy, Walter Lord) “... Officially, it was said the Oglala’s seams had been sprung by the torpedo that holed the Helena; but there are men who still claim the old Fall River boat really “sank from fright.”” (Page 156 of the aforementioned book) And I goofed on the name of the cruiser. I really like the channel. I learn quite a bit.

[@Fizwalker]

Hunter Wood yep, I goofed on that.

[@MagzGTV]

@@Fizwalker "Officially, it was said the Oglala’s seams had been sprung by the torpedo that holed the Helena" Which is what happened The torpedo split her open and dropped her. "but there are men who still claim the old Fall River boat really “sank from fright.”” I'm sure there are, there are also people that still think the world is flat, Steel and Iron have no feelings and know no fear. If she sunk there was a hole, since the hole appeared at the same time the torp detonated and there was no hole before the torp it's safe to say the torp ripped open the hole. I know old sailors like there tales but I'm more a facts man. :)

[@knightvisiongoggles7934]

Please, please, please do the Marianas Turkey shoot!

[@Slafeys]

Does anyone know a good multiplayer mod which is not like 10GB+ and is kind of easy to install.

[@axelandersson6314]

Those Battleship models are sadly ones of Soviet ships.

[@MagzGTV]

None of the ship models correspond really to what they are outside of the "Hero" ships. This is to be expected in an unmodded game from the early 2000's that had limited resources hardware wise to work with, It's honestly not a major issue.

[@axelandersson6314]

MagzTV Yes, I'm aware of that.

[@GavinTheFifer]

Tora, tora, tora!!!

[@21owlgirl72]

Honestly, 1946 is 10x better than yhe newer IL2 games, since they have like 16 aircraft and you have to pay for more while in 18yo game you have hundreds of planes, and a unlimited number of missions.

[@MagzGTV]

As war thunder has proven having hundreds of planes doesn't make a good flight sim. A good flight sim required time and research and high attention to detail on the aircraft with the more time spent getting it right the better. 1946 is 18 years old, in it's time hardware limitations put up a wall on how accurate you could get with a light model and it is amazing how well they did even with those limitations so it gets a pass. The aircraft in great battles however are not even comparable in terms of flight modeling, A single IL-2 GB aircraft will have more FM data points modeled on it's own than probably half the aircraft in 1946 combined, By comparison 1946 is an arcade game which is why comparing a title older than many of the people that will watch this video to one being built right now using current tech design on current hardware is always folly.

[@PORRRIDGE_GUN]

I know. I went out and spent £1600 on a new system to play the newer games and was very disappointed. Many will only work well on ultra high spec 32/64gb machines or else you just dial everything down until its graphically no better than a 15+ year old game anyway. So now I play FSX and IL2: 1946 with every setting ultra high and 250+ fps!!

[@dixievfd55]

IIRC 1946 was actually a mod.

[@MagzGTV]

um . . no. 1946 was and is a completion release of IL-2 and it's expansions along with all of the developer updates already applied to 2006. It was not a mod, it was an offical release and had nothing to do with any of the mods that existed in 2006

[@dixievfd55]

@@MagzGTV Okay. I was wrong. I have just reinstalled it myself and am in the process of getting mods for it.

[@Queenfisher12]

magz man its rah-lee not ray-lee

[@TheJonGrubb]

Raleigh = RAH-lee (not ray-LEE) [Source: I speak fluent hillbilly. Love ya Magz].

[@TheJonGrubb]

...and you corrected yourself later in the video. Carry on.

[@thaster973]

IL-2 is already a good game, but if they want an excellent game they should add IL-2 1946 to the current IL-2

[@testtest6169]

It's a completely different Dev team with a completely different publisher on a completely different engine. It's straight theft that 1cgs has the il2 name.

[@BoyanRushkov]

Pls do more 1946 videos

[@ltelias4215]

you know you've been watching too much anime and listening to too much j-rock bands when you can understand the AI radio chatter

[@Sickofguessing]

Watched a documentary where the objective was to sink the clustered cruisers and NOT the battleships but the Japanese pilots did not want to go home only sinking a tiny ship.

[@ioaniorgu5662]

And you believe it? 😂😂😂💣💨

[@Sickofguessing]

@@ioaniorgu5662 No idea what you are implying... To correct myself; It was actually a youtube video "kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGfGq2ydqbKHm6s" His sources are in his description. Cant remember the timestamp where he said it.

[@MagzGTV]

@@Sickofguessing Either you or the documentary makers misunderstood there source material then. The Primary target was the Battleships and the aircraft Carriers first, always. Following that Cruisers and Modern destroyers next followed by older destroyers, supply ships and targets of opportunity such as the fuel and ammo depots around the harbor. Now the carriers where not present of course and the Japanese hit the BB's exactly as they needed to, The problem was once the key BB's, the ones on the outer row of Battleship Row had been hit they where meant to move on to the cruisers and modern destroyers as next priority and leave the remaining battleships to the high altitude bombers now the crippled BB's had them boxed in. And that's where they got it wrong, the Torpedo and dive bomber pilots didn't shift targets as intended and instead continued hitting already crippled battleships or they started targeting ships that fired a lot of AAA rather than looking at them by priority. I have read some claims that said that this was due to pilots not wanting to be involved with sinking a lesser ship, but also as many claiming that this was most likely a stress reaction of the pilots with them targeting larger ships simply because they are less likely to miss and no one wanted to fly home knowing there one shot to do damage failed.

[@Swatmat]

as impressive as IL2 is in modelling, it doesnt half look ugly these days

[@MagzGTV]

Keep in mind this is 1946, not great battles. What you are looking at here are the finest graphics available from 2001 :)

[@Swatmat]

@@MagzGTV i know, i remeber the days well, i guess rose tinted glasses make me think it looked better in the day, hell in my head combat flight simulator looked like DCS....

[@kitsunelegend7976]

You know, this mission was fantastic and all, but as someone who LOVES WWII naval ships, it actually sorta pained me to see bloody Fuso class battleships in place of the US battleships... I mean, I get it, its an old ass game, with limited resources, but for gods sake, the LEAST they could have done was add in a single US battleship model, like the Pennsylvania, or the West Virginia, or hell, even the new york class! But those Fusos really ruined the feel of the mission for me tbh... Besides, cant modders add in US battleship models these days? It shouldn't be all that hard really... I mean, people have done it with DCS before.

[@MagzGTV]

Yes modders can add battleships however that requires a user downloading and installing the mod, one of the great things about this mission regardless of assets used is that no mods are needed, you just download and add it into the base IL-2 mission directly and your ready to fly. The second you have missions designed for mods you now have to make sure you have those mods installed and some of them are quite large and somewhat complex, B.A.T for example is a very well known IL-2 mod, it has 26 parts to install and is 100gb in total.

[@scotttheyounger4901]

Don't want to be that guy.... but since I live near by I cringed everytime you said it..... The name of the Omaha class light cruiser USS Raleigh (named after the town in North Carolina) is pronounced as you would say Sir Walter Raleigh's name who the town was named after. (kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmq0dpSYqMSZkJI ) Also, the USS Cassin and the USS Downes were both rebuilt and returned to service. I still love the video!!!

[@MagzGTV]

"Also, the USS Cassin and the USS Downes were both rebuilt and returned to service. " No they where not, As I mentioned in the video both ships suffered unrepairable hull damage. What happened after is all the equipment and materials that could be salvaged from the wrecks was and two brand new hulls were built from scratch. The hulls were then outfitted with the salvaged equipment and machinery and anything that could not be salvaged was replaced new, the two brand new ships were then named for the Cassin and Downes that they replaced but make no mistake they where both brand new 1942 built ships.

[@palibrae]

Too bad the U.S. Pacific Fleet is composed of Soviet warships, though.

[@dallastexas2641]

palibrae the USS Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya x10 xD

[@Obi1-KenBone-Me]

this kind of thinking is why japan lost ww2 u should have went for the submarines and theire repair station

[@TheCleansingx]

2 0 0 4

[@themightiestofbooshes9443]

the setting and objective of this mission doesn't sit right with me.

[@MagzGTV]

See i don't get that, I've ran into people before that find it offensive that I will fly Axis planes and attack allied targets and cities but have no problems at all when I am an an allied aircraft doing the same thing to Axis targets. It's been 77 years and 5 months since Pearl Harbor, Pretty much all the nations that formed the Axis are now allied NATO nations, the modern 'Redfor' nations are actually nations that we fought along side and in defense of in WW2 and only a hand full of people that actually experienced the events in person are even alive now. Missions like this are in my opinion a very good way to both remember and to 'experience' the events of that time that we have never seen and will hopefully never see the like of for real in our own life times.

[@themightiestofbooshes9443]

@@MagzGTV I agree. I would never refuse anyone the opportunity to play this mission or experience the events of the past in a video game, it's just something I don't find in good taste and therefore will not participate in myself. I think it's the qualms I have about firing on US forces, even if it's in a video game. Must be a human thing; would you participate in a simulation where you kill your best friend hundreds of times? That's what it feels like to me, at least. I find myself a bit of a hypocrite for saying that because I'll play the Germans and bomb allied targets till I'm purple in the face. I don't even understand it. I do have some ideas about why, however; I have ancestral ties to Dresden, Germany. You know the Bombing of Dresden? I don't exactly have nice things to say about it. Again, I wouldn't deny anyone the opportunity to play a video game, I just prefer not to participate in that myself. Edit: It's most likely a bias I have against the Japanese. I believe there was no honor in what the Japanese did. There were some beautiful ships that didn't deserve to sink that day. Out on the waves? Fair game, may the best ship win. I feel this way about the Bismarck. It sunk with great honor and courage, regardless the people aboard; same with the Battleship Yamato.

[@MagzGTV]

@@themightiestofbooshes9443 Honor in war is a funny thing, It's something most solders claim to aspire to but it is also something largely dependent on what side of a conflict you stand for. While you say and I am sure many sailors that were at Pearl would agree the Attack on Pearl had no honor, I am sure the Japanese attacking Pearl thought of the attack as a very honorable Bushido blow. In fact the memoirs of the pilots that performed the attack reflect exactly this. By the same coin I am sure that the US pilots that escorted the B-29's into Japan at the end of the war thought of themselves as very honorable, Knightly even protecting there charges too and from there destinations. The 100,000 Japanese civilians that died in the firebombing of Tokyo delivered by those same B-29's would probably disagree however. In the end it's really just the victors that get to decide what was honorable or not.

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​@@MagzGTV You're right. Again. I read your comments in your voice xD

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