Major Derailment: Locomotive Derailed & 2 Cars plus1400 Feet Track Tore Up!

I will post the next video showing why this derailment happened along
with a second video to follow of the damage the locomotive sustained, so watch those 2 upcoming videos to get your questions answered as to why this happened and how the locomotive fared, will in that latter video also share how Hulcher re railed the locomotive.
Will also be posting pictures of various stages of the event in the Community Room
on my channel so keep checking back to that tab or subscribe and click turn notifications
on and you'll get updates automatically. Here's link to my channel
/ @ccrx6700
I spliced 4 videos together I took that evening so you didn't have to wait and watch all
4 separately. Will also post all the videos of this on a playlist on my channel ccrx 6700. There will be like 7 more videos coming up about all of what went on including some on them putting the track back together.
No one was hurt or injured, only the company's pocketbook...LOL The derailment happened
on Wednesday April 21 about 5 PM. On that Saturday afternoon about 1 PM I tamped this and they ran
a train over it by 2:30 on slow order. Everyone involved in getting the rolling stock
re railed and the track back in service did a phenomenal job! They worked around
the clock with very long hours for everyone.
This occurred on the Cumberland Mine Railroad near Kirby Pa. on curve18 at mile post 4 with the train headed EB with loads. I will also
post several more videos about them putting the track back together. We had about
1400 feet of track torn out along with almost 700 cross ties destroyed.
Memory is serving me better now than in the videos, it has been since 1993 when we've had
this kind of main line destruction. We had several derailments back before then where
6 or 7 cars have come off and rolled over loaded and several derailments caused by
bad bearings, but this is the worst track tear up we have ever had. Several
of the contractors who came in said this is some of the worst rail destruction they had
ever seen.
I will give you a clue before my next video on why the derailment happened. If you have watched Thomas the Tank Engine, then you know that all the derailments in that show were
caused by the silly cars because they were angry! LOL But if there is any doubt we will
call Sir Topham Hatt and he will get to the bottom of this.
Here is the link to watch my theory on what caused the derailment:
• Why the Derailment at ...
Thank you so much for watching. Track is back in service and train is running at track speed, and in case you are wondering, it's 25 MPH track speed, the operator on the derailment was running at 22 MPH when this happened. He had followed standard operating procedures
for this section of track. The end of train DPU was in throttle run 3 when
this happened, the lead loco operator was just getting ready to go to idle on that
end of train unit when the train went into emergency. This is only the second time in it's history that our #1 locomotive has ever been derailed and it's been running this track since
1977! The company is also looking into having some track panels on hand to use in'
case this kind of problem should occur in the future. Having track panels available
would have probably saved a whole day in the reconstruction.

[@northstar2007]

I asked a train engineer how many times his train had derailed. He said, “I’m not sure, it’s hard to keep track.”

[@Nurvington]

GOOD ONE!

[@channelsixtysix066]

I shouldn't laugh, but couldn't help it.

[@YeOldeGeezer]

Old joke! Hardly funny anymore

[@ccrx6700]

I really liked that one! LOL You make me laugh, thanks for viewing today's show

[@northstar2007]

@@ccrx6700 oh I watch them all. but I figured I'd give you a break on the last 3 :)

[@zulubravo5733]

Having worked as a forestry contractor for over 30 years there were weeks that if you could just make it to Friday night you knew Monday would be better. All the best Dave with your rerailing, we’re all there with you!

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you my friend, hope you will be watching the rest of the videos in this series, much appreciated

[@lydiaanderson4247]

@ Zulu Bravo we are all with you dave hello how are you doing

[@poppopscarvinshop]

I grew up between Kennesaw and Acworth, GA. The Tracks (The Old L&N Line) were about 1000 yards behind my house. I was 8 to 12 years old. Around 1968 to 1972 there were no less than 4 Coal Trains derailed and smashed cars and spilled Coal EVERYWHERE!! One derailment happened when I was in our garden with a clear view to the tracks. I heard a horrible noise coming from the tracks and coal cars were falling off on their sides, running on top of each other, black coal dust was everywhere. It seems like it took forever for the thing to stop!!! The most amazing sound of screeching, crunching metal I've ever heard. I'm 62 now and I'll never forget those days... Amazing... BTW - that's the same line that The Great Locomotive Chase took place on during the Civil War. Kennesaw still has the old steam Locomotive "The General" in the Railway Museum in Kennesaw, GA.

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for writing in and sharing that with us James, pretty cool story my friend.

[@ronhelman3985]

Wow, that destroyed everything. Well no one got hurt and nothing is on its side that's 2 plusses. Thanks Dave for sharing!!!!

[@JawTooth]

Amazing how far in front of the locomotive that the rail rolled. Good thing the cars didn't pile up and spill everywhere.

[@ccrx6700]

Yep, cars kept it rollin, it is all been replaced now with good relay rail. Thanks for viewing today's show 👍

[@TsunauticusIV]

@@ccrx6700 how long did it take the crews to replace everything and get trains rolling again on that section?

[@comfortablynumb9342]

@@TsunauticusIV good question

[@ken9503]

Before I comment, this is just an opinion, I'm not a railroad man. The rails that "appear" to be in front of that single locomotive are actually behind it. The reason being is that it appears to me that it was a "pusher" locomotive at the rear of the train. Once the rear cars started derailing it came uncoupled and when the air line broke it set the brakes into "emergency". The fact that it was a single locomotive and on the ground, it stopped quicker then the rest of the train because the few last cars that were derailed were still being pulled by the rest of the train. Hence the distance between the two. Also that same situation kept a pile up from happening because the derailed cars were on the ground and being pulled, not pushed. Was very fortunate the the derailed cars and locomotive stayed in the center of the road bed and didn't roll over.

[@jimsbasslist]

@@ken9503 thanks for that clarification. I was wondering why they were so far apart. I was assuming (i know..) Excess speed but didn't think of it your way.

[@WJack97224]

Good start on documenting this problem. I'm looking forward to more info and videos of the repair. Thank you Jaw Tooth or whoever. Good on ya mate. Glad the crew survived.

[@railfanningpoints2.045]

This isn't Jaw tooth's channel.

[@deconteesawyer5758]

"@@railfanningpoints2.045 This is polar opposite that ... umm "{person's" channel.

[@espeescotty]

Hey Dave, thanks for all of the information in the description. This sure was a heck of a mess! I'll be watching for sure to see the rerailing and rebuilding mission.

[@SmallMartingale]

Yeah that's a lot of damage, that must be an awfully intimidating thing to look at. Thanks for taking some time to make this great video for us, something we wouldn't get to see otherwise 👍

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome David, thanks for watching and stay tuned for more vids on the derailment events

[@ronaldpiper4812]

This is were you see the bunch of simi trucks of pipe layers and a bunch or lights and so on. Hearing how they walk loads back up sounds impressive. Thank you

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome Ronald, glad you enjoyed the show sir

[@petezapadka]

OMG, Dave! I am shocked and terribly saddened to hear of this! But thank you for letting us know. My heart is with you and all the workers who will toil to get this right!

[@ccrx6700]

Everything good now Pete, lot of guys worked their rear ends off, This was right across from Fred Water's farm

[@petezapadka]

@@ccrx6700 Thanks Dave! I've been thinking of you folks constantly, hoping for the best!

[@donalfinn4205]

That’s a bit much isn’t it?

[@warbar95]

Working on a Rail Road for 33 years the last 14 as a wreck crew foreman. We saw them all, a-lot of hours in ice snow rain sabotage vehicle crossing. I miss it retired 18 years now great video GOD BLESS

[@ccrx6700]

Wow bet you sure could tell a lot of stories to top this one sir! You guys are the best. Unless you've been out there, no one knows what you guys have to deal with, like you say with weather, and long, long hours, working on slopes that are nuts, let alone getting everything back in order. My hat is off to you sir. Thanks for watching and hope you will stay tuned for the rest of the upcoming videos about all of the events that happened here.

[@warbar95]

@@ccrx6700 Thank you for your channel

[@t.j.carroll8512]

Thank you for taking time to let see what is happening. Hope all goes well and quickly getting track back in order.

[@lydiaanderson4247]

@ Thomas Carroll yes of course thats what we all hope for how are you doing

[@leslane4421]

Holy cow Dave, your right, what a mess! I guess that's railroading also.

[@patriotrooster2480]

Holy crap that looks like 9 miles of sideways hell right there.

[@monteman700]

Glad to hear everyone is ok and everything stayed upright. Keep us posted on the progress.

[@curtyanok6878]

Dave, do I ever feel bad for you and the CCRX. We've seen how hard you worked to keep this line in tip-top shape then this happens. Keep us posted on how things are going.

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks Curt, yep it was a difficult thing to see, I was in shock as you can imagine, keep watching more vids coming out about this

[@noclass2gun342]

After working for hulcher services for a while I can tell you, there's never not a derailment being worked somewhere. Side note... this one isn't that bad. The one in Prattville Colorado was a doosy... 4 Locos and 24 5 packers

[@lydiaanderson4247]

@ No Class 2 gun hello how are you doing

[@chessiesystemrailfanman3741]

@@lydiaanderson4247 hello there Lydia, my name is Anthony and I like your thumbnail picture.

[@6777Productions]

Dang, what a round day, but as you said, luckily no one was hurt in this mess. Plus! They are lucky to have such a talented person to know how to fix it on up! Excited to see the rest of this "mini series"!

[@ccrx6700]

Hope you will enjoy them Sam. Took a lot of really good people who came in and worked their rear ends off to get this all back in service. Thanks for watching sir

[@channelsixtysix066]

No justice for Dave. I regularly watch another railway channel and the track featured in that one is in terrible condition... I mean, it is BAD ! The company won't spend a cent on its maintenance. Without naming names, they run blue colored locomotives. You might guess who the company is.

[@channelsixtysix066]

@@ccrx6700 I'm definitely interested in what caused this to happen, Dave.

[@ccrx6700]

@@channelsixtysix066 watch next vid out next week for my theory

[@briankemp5206]

Thanks for sharing Dave. That did a number on your track. Good luck repairing it.

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome Brian, track back in service and all's well that ends well. Appreciate your watching, gonna have a good many pics of the work on the Community Room on my channel over the coming weeks if you'd like to keep checking there too, plus more vids coming

[@jonathanhasnip3700]

Thank you for taking the time to make this video for everyone. Goodness me that's a lot of damage, some positive things that they're still upright and that nobody was hurt, looking forward to finding out what happened, good luck with the restoration.

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome Jason and thank you for taking the time out of your day to watch sir. Very much appreciated.

[@arcapelico]

OK boss this is where the rubber meets the road. The bigger the mess the calmer you get. I've been watching you for a while and you got this. This is railroading. You are the man to handle this.

[@ccrx6700]

I will remember that sir, the bigger the mess the calmer to get! great words of advice

[@ke6gwf]

I have seen a lot of derailments in my life, some even in person lol, and a lot of track repairs afterwards, but after watching you put so much work into keeping this track perfect, and seeing how totally destroyed that is, I feel it in my gut. I imagine that they will basically have to just toss the track to the side, tear the ties out, and then cut it down and regrade to subgrade, and then new ties, put rail back on and then ballast? I hope you can get some sort of time lapse of it!

[@ccrx6700]

Yep Ben we tossed the whole north side track and rebuilt with good relay rail. Gonna have 8 more vids coming out about all of this so stay tuned my friend

[@okzoia]

Thanks for the up close pics!

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome Rick, stay tuned lot more to come your way sir Appreciate your watching

[@HavelockYard]

On the ground, but everyone’s ok!

[@Sven_Okas1967]

Wow, at least the train is still standing. something has certainly given way under the train. the main thing is that there has only been sheet metal damage and no personal injury. To clean it up you need at least 48 hours. do you come there at least with cranes ran to the place??? As I see it, you can use the rails and the ties to be recycled. Good luck with the long shift. Greetings from Berlin/ Germany. Sven

[@ccrx6700]

Yep Sven coulda been lot worse, loco coukda been on its side spilling fuel. Appreciate your watching sir and stay tuned more to come 😊

[@mikefochtman7164]

When you showed how the outer rail on the curve was rolled, my first thought was excessive speed. But your comment shows that NOT the case. Judging from what's left of the road bed and that equipment is still upright, seems pretty sure nothing wrong with the MOW crew's work. But I'm sure you still had a 'knot' in your stomach when you came upon this mess. Just thankful that no one got hurt.

[@ccrx6700]

Yep Mike, it broke my heart to see this happen, but that's railroadin and you gotta take the good with the bad I guess. Hope you'll watch my next video on why it happened. Thank you

[@rickcooper6817]

As my little grandson says Dave, Ut oh. Man I hate to see this kind of railroading but it happens. Glad there was no major equipment damage or injury. We appreciate the video and the ones to come. Thanks Dave!

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks Rick, yep my son when he was little said that too, lol brought back some good memories on that one, he also woulda said big train fall down go boom....

[@tombratton3196]

Crazy to think of the force it took to move that rail like that.

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for watching Tom and hope you will watch the upcoming videos that explain so many other aspects of what all happened here, there gonna be 8 more videos out about the derailment coming soon to a utube nearest you...

[@theoldbigmoose]

@@ccrx6700 are you going to post one video a week?

[@reallovechannel1309]

I have never seen a derailment like that ! Thank you for sharing !

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome, thanks for viewing the show

[@Everyday_Railroading]

Hey brother, nice videos. I will say, the derailment didn't occur because the spikes started lifting up. Generally, 1 defect isn't going to cause a derailment but rather a combination of things will cause a derailment. Some things to consider: Were the ties really as good as you thought? I saw tie pieces all over and solid ties don't break off like that. There were rotten ties there. Also, just because a tie looks good, it doesn't mean it is. I've seen ties that look brand new be completely hollow inside. Was the gage good? Rail doesn't just roll like that, especially both rails. The gage spread because of wide gage or bad crossties and it was pushing out. Again, just because a tie might look good and appear to be solid, doesn't mean the spike holes aren't worn out especially in a curve. With worn out spike holes the gage will spread even though the rest of the tie is solid. What speed were they going? Is the speed correct for the degree of the curve? The unbalanced table in part 213 will help determine the maximum speed of a curve. Was there surface conditions? You tamped but did it hold in all places? The combination of gage, bad ties, push, surface conditions, speed all played a factor in this derailment. This is looking like track caused rather than train handling. Keep up the good video work. Thanks.

[@ferrumignis]

Have to admit that quite a few of those ties didn't look in great condition.

[@fogdan]

Thank you for posting. What a great insight on this...

[@lydiaanderson4247]

this a great video how are you doing

[@vanlifeinthecity9798]

Glad no one got hurt. Things can be replaced but people can't. What a heck of a mess. Looking forward to seeing videos on replacement and getting equipment and track back in service. Be safe you guys

[@allenra530]

I had one of these where the rails rolled over at the uphill end of a siding while we were pulling a string of hoppers full of sand out of there and we had to leave one loaded hopper on the ground below the switch. We may have had more than that car off the track, but we didn't see it at first and the other cars may have been rerailed by the guard rails below the switch frog. The Roadmaster came out and the section gang got everything repaired in a couple of days while we were working on the other side of the mountains. Those ties were old and had been stressed by another crew backing the loads into the siding after one of their units failed on them and they didn't have enough power to get up the hill. They left half of the train there and we were sent out to pick it up the next afternoon. When I was still doing track work, my crew had replaced ties at the lower end of that siding, but when I went to train crew, the priorities got changed and the rest of the siding didn't get taken care of. Sometimes track fails because of something that the engineer does. Sometimes things get worn out and need attention, but something else is more important and you don't get back to it in time.

[@bassman109]

That is an incredible amount of damage!

[@ccrx6700]

My track, my track, my once beautiful track.... put a tear in my eye Owen, Thanks for watching sir

[@alandaters8547]

@@ccrx6700It surely put a tear in the eyes of most of your fans....me included.

[@redresearchanalyst]

Look forward to the 2 updated videos. Can’t even imagine what would cause this, wow.

[@ccrx6700]

Excellent, hope you will enjoy them, appreciate your watching

[@railfan439]

OUCH! Thanks for the video, and STAY SAFE! Jon

[@davidhuey3201]

The fact the locomotive & cars stayed upright through all that is testament to how well you keep that bed tamped. The rail was lifted from the ties, but I didn't see any ties that looked loose or pulled upward. Sure was a strong side force to lift & roll the rail. Appreciate all the great informative videos you do! Looking forward to more!

[@tiredoldmechanic1791]

Looks like the ties are rotten and the spikes pulled out.

[@pegjames188]

Look a rather feeble system compared to the rail that criss-crossed and transported the coal and steel from local pits and iron works for many years . Now all gone of course. Greetings from Wales.

[@David-ci1vn]

@@tiredoldmechanic1791 Me too, if that's "pretty good", I hope they don't shift px or nuclear waste.

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for watching and hope you will take in my next video on my theory on why the derailment happened. It's here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKaqoKB5qr-ejJI

[@renorailfanning5465]

I'm impressed that with all that damage and heavy equipment to be moved, you say it might be 2 days. Only 2 days ! Wow !

[@jasonboche]

Faster than that actually. The existing track and ties come up pretty easy with a putty knife. spread some DAP caulk on the roadbed, lay the track, and ballast. 2 hours tops.

[@BF-qt2wp]

Awesome video keep up with a great work and be safe out there.

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you, glad you enjoyed and hope you will watch the next video out on why this happened which is due out in a couple of days

[@coniow]

Good job nobody was injured, or I suspect that the line would be closed by Health and Safety until the investigation was complete. Good for you that you have all these videos available, as the first thing they will look at is maintenance, and how you work. Your concern with having a safe track shows. I would say BLOODY IMPRESSIVE if the line is back in only 2 days, though! Keep safe.

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for watching and hope you will take in my next video on my theory on why the derailment happened. It's here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKaqoKB5qr-ejJI

[@dock_yard1149]

Good on-scene report with honest reactions to the pervasive damage. What I really don’t get is a full grasp of which way is which, which way the train was moving, etc. I have long understood your loaded trains go downgrade to interchange. Your opening scene showed the 2 grounded cars at the end of a string - rest of the cars are on rails. Ok. You then pan the other way to the derailed loco about 100 yards away - so we’re led to think that view musta been down grade towards the lead unit. You then walk down to the unit, filming clearly starts at the end facing the 2 cars (briefly seen in distance - ie, supposedly upgrade?). You then walk around the loco showing the trucks skewed etc - especially 2 wheels bracketing each side of the rolled rail. Nasty! Now it gets odd. You walk about 50-60 yards away from the unit, NOT the end facing the cars, showing the point on slight curve where the track damage started. How did the derailed cars get 100 yards downhill from the derailed unit? The only explanation is that the unit you went to was at the EOT, - it had to be a trailer, it was not in the lead. So last 2 cars at the trailing end of string plus the trailing loco went off the rails,. And the lead unit with all other loads stayed on the tracks (downgrade) - but you didn’t film that end. When the last 2 cars and trailer unit went on the ground, - the air line separated when the trailing unit let go of the final car. The trailing unit ground to a halt much sooner than the rest of the train. Make sense? I think in your excitement & shock over the damage, you just forgot to orient us fully to the scene, which is understandable! Still love ya. I hope nobody makes fun of you for not expressing your enthusiasm for railroading today. We know you’ll bounce back as this cleanup progresses. Keep the cam on the cleanup action as much as you can. I would guess your RR’s investigators were not yet fully on scene to take photos, measurements, etc yet - hence that’s why the unit was still idling while on the ground (someone asked this elsewhere in comments). Nobody is probably allowed to touch or change any controls once the craziness stops and everybody is certified as ok. Do your locos have black box recorders? Will there likely be internal or FRA/STB hearings? Best of luck in the recovery of service.

[@dank2265]

Wow what a mess I hope none of the track tamping and cribing you have been showing us was all for nothing It looks like the German rail zipper showed up Is speed a factor here

[@johndoe43]

Never seen anything like that. Thanks for showing that and thanks to you and your crew.

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome John Doe. Appreciate very much your taking the time to watch and writing in. May you have a most blessed day my friend.

[@DavidHuber63]

You're gonna be busy but you'll have er up and rolling in no time Dave! 👍

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks David, yes we were busy but got track back in service with the help of a lot of really good guys that worked a lot of hours. Appreciate your watching today my friend.

[@kens.3729]

Will be Interesting to see how Hulcher makes necessary Repairs / Replacement to get it Open. 👍

[@ccrx6700]

Well Ken, sorry but I was not there when Hulcher did their work, however in a vid coming up I do explain how they rerailed the 'loco. It pretty neat how they did it. that will be in the vid title: Damage to the Loco, in the video coming up about the Engine Burn Fracture will be how they rerailed the cars. Thanks for watching the show today sir

[@catslivesmatter1268]

@@ccrx6700 definitely need to install more oilers along those curves

[@albertvieira6635]

That track can be fixed I'm just hoping nobody got hurt keep up the great work that you do I give you an A-Plus a job well done keep up the good work you're doing an outstanding job

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Albert, things could have been a lot worse as you can imagine, all are safe. Thanks for watching and hope you will stay tuned for the rest of the upcoming videos about all of the events that happened here.

[@DonnaChassie]

Thank You. Donna

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome Donna, thanks for taking the time to watch the video my friend.

[@BuggsOgden]

Really bad, but it could have been worse. I hope you guys can restore the line with minimal hassle. I enjoy your channel and I have learned a lot about track from you. I look forward to future videos. Stay safe and good luck!

[@326dad]

Wow Dave, that's a cluster ! Hope you find the culprit. Stay safe my friend, that's railroading, like it or not.

[@ccrx6700]

Yep Kurt, what a mess, but it all fixed now better than new. Stay tuned lots more to come for ya my friend

[@jjxtwo1]

That must of been a terrible surprise for everyone, including the train crew. Seeing the mangled rail a ties that are chewed to pieces really shows the mass and power of the train. I sure am sorry Dave. This probably hits you hard personally, especially considering the pride you take in keeping this line in shape. There's nothing you could have done about it. Maybe the company will allow for larger maintenance budget. I'm really looking forward to updates on the repairs but only as you are able. How that engine didn't tip over is amazing. It's a long drop off the edge too particularly on the one side. Just wow.

[@ccrx6700]

Yes it did Jeff, you know me pretty well, and you are right, this was a wake up call and our budget has increased from skimp where you can to now spend whatever it takes! Thanks Jeff

[@KB-gs8zi]

Hey Dave !!! SEE ,,you CAN"T have a day off !!! What a mess !!! If it were in the height of summer with temps in the 100's ,,I'd say it was heat expansion !!! Too bad that there wasn't a railcam there to record the issue !!! Glad NO one was injured & that ALL stayed upright !! Waiting for more of your reports & videos !!! What a way to start spring/summer days !! ""KEEP IT SAFE ""!!! Yes, have seen other videos where the RR's had sections of track already to go & had them trucked in to the sites,, but in your case,, guess they would have to be railed in !!! Have a good week & THANKS AGAIN !!!

[@lucast3006]

I can’t wait to see the followup videos to this!

[@ccrx6700]

They coming soon Lucas, stay tuned and appreciate your viewing them

[@petekish2046]

Wow glad no tip overs and hopefully everyone is safe

[@ccrx6700]

Yep Pete, things coulda been a lot worse, we are lucky. Thanks for watching and hope you will view the vid that gives my theory on why the derailment happened, link is here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKaqoKB5qr-ejJI

[@michael7423]

Glad nobody was injured!

[@Tavish1878]

Hey Dave, thank you for all the details. So glad all the cars and engines are upright. I'd be super interested in a post-repair analysis of what happened and why.

[@ccrx6700]

You are welcome Tavish. Very nice of you to stop by and take the time to watch. here is a video of my hypothesis of why this derailment happened: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKaqoKB5qr-ejJI

[@MikeBrown-ii3pt]

New subscriber here. I've loved trains since I was a kid back in the 1970s. I now live right across the road from a N-S local switch siding and the local depot is about 1/2 mile away. Last summer, the maintenance of way crew and equipment were here replacing rail and ties. It was fascinating to watch the process!

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Mike, hope you will stay tuned for the upcoming videos that explain so many other aspects of what all happened here, there gonna be 8 more videos out about the derailment

[@bearg4019]

I would like to see how all this gets repaired or replaced...

[@ccrx6700]

Stay tuned got lot more vids on all else that went on here. Hope you will enjoy those

[@pinnen59]

A couple of days?? I believe it will take a couple of weeks.

[@22gonefishing]

You got a mess on your hands to fix, could have been worse. We had a 50 car train with 28 cars off the track and on their side in Albert Lea, MN, on May 15, what a mess that was, also 2 cars carrying hydrochloric acid leaked 40k into the ground, lucky no crew were hurt and no fire. Took about a week to get it cleaned up and the line back open.

[@ccrx6700]

Oh wow! Call out Cranemasters, Hulcher and Corman on that one. I'll try find it online thanks 👍

[@kennyfine3013]

hi dave i love watching your videos i actually live somewhat close to your work area. We always watch the W&LE. I have always loved to watch the trains as i grew up along the p&le. Anyway thanks for sharing and keep posting. kenny

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Kenny, Thanks for watching and hope you will stay tuned for the rest of the upcoming videos about all of the events that happened here. Wish I knew more about those 2 RR's they pretty close so I need to do some research, actually have a big book on P & LE here I haven't had time to look at yet.

[@kennyfine3013]

hi dave the W&LE crosses the monongahela river at speers on route 70. How is the derailment coming along? I know where i work at us steel they will bring in RJ coleman to get the track back into service keep posting kenny

[@ccrx6700]

@@kennyfine3013that bridge is unbelievable! They cant find hardly anyone who will go that high and replace bridge timbers. Was that bridge buikt by N & W? I dont know why im thinking it was?

[@nbjf7402]

Glad to hear everyone is ok. There are a handful of forces at play in that curve that could have caused it for sure. All new ties with Pandrol plate and clip and Lewis lags would keep it stronger in the future especially in the curves. Best of luck on the repairs Dave.

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for watching Nick and hope you will view the vid that gives my theory on why the derailment happened, link is here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKaqoKB5qr-ejJI

[@MrLordBaer]

never a dull moment on the RailRoad

[@jimbos3421]

Knowing how much pride you take in “your” track, this must be a real kick in the keyster! Was the derailed locomotive the pusher, that would explain the distance between it & the rest of the train. I feel for ya, brother!

[@adamfpv8294]

I was wondering that to🤔

[@chuckgilly]

I'm pretty sure that was the tail end of the train that derailed, the last 2 cars, and the pusher engine.

[@dock_yard1149]

I’m convinced that loco was on EOT. The lead unit and majority of cars stayed on track, he just didn’t film that end.

[@channelsixtysix066]

@@dock_yard1149 So something might have gone wrong with one of the cars, maybe the last one still coupled to the rest of the train.

[@shopshop144]

@@dock_yard1149 So the loco we saw wasn't the one doing all the damage? That makes sense since there was damage both behind and in front of it. I hope Dave is able to get some video of what caused all this, after he/they figure out what it was. I wonder how hard it will be to get equipment to the site; didn't look like there was much room.

[@danbarker8895]

hey man i have been workin for the railroad in canada 3 months now love ur videos

[@ccrx6700]

Canadian railroadin is tough in the winter as you will soon see Dan.I wish you the best and am pullin for you my friend. Really appreciate your watching the video today. I'm here if you need me.

[@craigsowers8456]

Hi ... me again CCRX6700 ... greetings from the French Riviera. Following my comments on the other video you posted about the root cause of this particular derailment (being the truck without Grease) I got to thinking about your comment therein that rightly noted that our American rail-to-sleeper (Tie Plates & Spikes) fastening systems provide adequate "Gauge Control" (horizontal load) but not very good in the vertical axis; the spikes just pull out. As stated in your a/m video, I grew up in a "Railroad Family" and I myself worked for MoPac back in the day in Texas before a 4 decade career in Aerospace (in 38 Countries around the World). Having travelled so far and wide, I of course observed different rail fastening systems and boy are there some strange ones out there. Hard to say with certainty that other Rail fastening systems would have prevented this derailment ... but it might have. I realize it's difficult for American Railroads to "Change" after 150 years of conventional wooden ties, plates and spikes ... but perhaps with the increasingly expense of wooden ties, it might just prompt movement. There are approximately 3,000 ties per mile of track ... imagine the cost benefit of upgrading at least some of it, on an attrition basis, starting with "Curved Track Lines". In Europe and other Countries, they have switched almost exclusively to "Concrete Ties" and "E" or "W" elastic (spring loaded) fastening systems; see video below. Makes me wonder if this system would have limited the destruction in this derailment ... had the rails been able to "snap back" and not rolled over ... kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGaVfomLe5aDd9E

[@ericheuer3311]

That sucks man, I've been through two derailments, never that long of track though and had the same company come up and re-rail cars for us. Good Luck with everything.

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks Eric, yea these kind of things suck, but it happens as you know, just gotta do what we gotta do. Hows the tamper running for you? I've been told tamper is the only machine that can break down in a siding not running....LOL

[@ericheuer3311]

@@ccrx6700 Tamper is doing good. We just had a derailment too this week due to a sun kink, about 600 feet, 13 loaded cars of rock went off but nothing tipped over.

[@ccrx6700]

Oh dear! We had use excavators to line track close to where needs be, then i final with 6700. Get some rest cause once yrack tied in all pressure gonna be on you. Good luck an keep me informed my friend

[@RT-tn3pu]

Good size derailment, more importantly hopefully no one was seriously hurt.

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for watching and hope you will watch the upcoming videos that explain so many other aspects of what all happened here, there gonna be 8 more videos out about the derailment coming soon to a utube nearest you...

[@retiredafce3373]

@@ccrx6700 I’m looking forward to those videos.

[@ccrx6700]

@@retiredafce3373 👍

[@neptune4167]

WOW!! This company is so fortunate to have you.

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Neptune for the very kind words. That was very thoughtful of you to say that. Appreciate your watching the video and may you have a most blessed day my friend.

[@dorothycole8611]

Wow! Tremendous damage! Very interesting video.

[@ccrx6700]

Glad you enjoyed today's show, more to come in the next few weeks

[@wishusknight3009]

Sir Topham Hatt was very cross that day.....

[@ccrx6700]

glad he didn't show up here ....LOL thanks for watching

[@thegrumpytexan]

Makes me wonder if the weather had been dry for a while, shrinking the ties (which makes the holes the spikes are in larger/looser) combined with some of the factors others have already mentioned.

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for watching Ken and hope you will watch the upcoming videos that explain so many other aspects of what all happened here, there gonna be 8 more videos out about the derailment coming soon to a utube nearest you...

[@SantaFe-wi1ve]

Holy Mackerel Dave! Glad the cars and loco did not overturn. Lots of man and machine hours to get that one fixed. I'll be watching for the follow-up videos.

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks my friend, hope you are doing well, good see you again and thanks for watching

[@burprobrox9134]

This was recommended to me. The flora looked awfully familiar and so I looked and you’re in my neck of the woods. I’m originally from Fayette Cty, but I’ve moved to Pittsburgh since. Glad to have found your channel. Who knows why youtube decides to recommend what it does.

[@mattcat231]

Charleroi here!

[@ccrx6700]

Awesome Matt! Thanks for watching and hope you will watch the upcoming videos that explain so many other aspects of what all happened here, there gonna be 8 more videos out about the derailment coming soon to a utube nearest you...

[@mattcat231]

@@ccrx6700 Yep, im a newer subscriber as i just recently found your channel, so i been doing some catching up, great content! A friend and i run a small road service business (Wagner's Road Service) out of Greensboro (on 88) so I have seen your tracks while in the area

[@emknapp6713]

Momma said there’d be days like that!

[@ccrx6700]

You've probably seen your share of disaster to Ezekiel. Not anyone wants to see this, but unfortionatly it was one of those days

[@emknapp6713]

@@ccrx6700 number one question when I tell people what I do is “How often do trains derail?” And everyone is surprised when I tell them “Everyday”. Good catch on that broken base. Our equipment won’t pick them up unless far enough in towards the web. Be safe out there!

[@ccrx6700]

@@emknapp6713 seem like that what everyone interested in derailments... guess people are attracted to destruction 🤔

[@NorthernChev]

I'm just floored that the locomotive stayed upright.

[@dock_yard1149]

I’m convinced it was trailing unit, not head end...

[@HugsBach]

Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge through your expert eyes. Its like you're a detective as to make sense of the "crime scene."

[@ccrx6700]

LOL, Chief Inspector Clouseau..... Thanks for watching and hope you will watch the upcoming videos that explain so many other aspects of what all happened here, there gonna be 8 more videos out about the derailment coming soon to a utube nearest you...

[@jacksonherr1752]

Amazing Train Derailment And So Much Railroad Track Tore Up

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for watching and hope you will watch the upcoming videos that explain so many other aspects of what all happened here, there gonna be 8 more videos out about the derailment coming soon to a utube nearest you...

[@wes5150.]

Conductor: "I think were On the Ground !" Hog Head: "Thanks, I'll give it a few more 'Notches'."

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for watching Wes and hope you will stay tuned for the upcoming videos that explain so many other aspects of what all happened here, there gonna be 8 more videos out about the derailment

[@williamflorinjr.8541]

Bring in snap track to get the line operational again.

[@lydiaanderson4247]

@ William Florin Jr. hello how are you doing

[@johnd2042]

Oh boy thats alot that happened. Glad no one was hurt. I never saw what happens after derailment. Thankyou for video.

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome John, keep watchin sir, lot more to come

[@clydemarkham7915]

Glad no one was injured. Great video presentation of a terrible situation.

[@jasonking2943]

Here is my guess, given the curve and the way the track is rolled out. I believe a boggie locked. Thus the wheel set on the hopper would not turn and follow the rail. For the rail to lift like it did you had to have a force to cause that and a locked wheel set would could and has done that. Major forces happen when a train goes into a curve. when Dave showed the spikes lifted to start off with that proves some inside force caused that. Had speed been a factor which in theory it could have been not that they were going to fast or over the speed for that part of the line. I think if they were going over the speed things would have been alot worse. The fact that the locomotive and hoppers were all upright tells me speed was not a factor.

[@chrisbeck8182]

That’s what I was thinking, given the troubles they’ve had with the under car pivot shoes or bearings? That whole section of track just got mulched! What a mess.

[@rearspeaker6364]

@@chrisbeck8182 center pivot bearing worn/jammed,bogie side bearing missing.

[@irongoatrocky2343]

Excessive Speed is my guess as to what happened to start this mess!.......luckily no one got hurt!. well maybe their pride!

[@jasonking2943]

I dont think so, had it been excessive speed you would see things on its side and the track would have been pulled apart thrown everywhere. But what do I know! I think a wheel set wanted to go straight and the track said no and the wheel set said screw you!

[@gotchagoing8843]

You didn't read everything Dave wrote. "Thank you so much for watching. Track is back in service and train is running at track speed, and in case you are wondering, it's 25 MPH track speed, the operator on the derailment was running at 22 MPH when this happened. He had followed standard operating procedures for this section of track."

[@ccrx6700]

Spoken from someone who has been there, done that Jason! You full well know from experience sir....those silly cars, always angry cause they are pulled and can't sit in the shade in a siding

[@9005067]

Thanks for sharing

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome Gary, thanks for viewing the movie and hope you stay tuned for the rest of the vids in this series

[@9005067]

@@ccrx6700 yes ,i hope to

[@1000kmckinney]

Good luck on the clean up keep up posted.

[@thenasadude6878]

The locomotive was at the back of the train right? What a mess, seeing the ties cut through by the wheels was a reminder of the tremendous forces involved

[@ccrx6700]

We have a push pull system, so locos on both ends. Thanks for watching and hope you will stay tuned for the rest of the upcoming videos about all of the events that happened here.

[@thenasadude6878]

@daniiel mlinarics ccrx works for a railway that moves coal. He explained that coal dust and pebbles will fall out of the hoppers and embed itself in the ballast, making drainage difficult when it rains. This causes a lot of problems, and ccrx has many videos where he shows the process of renewing the ballast

[@PRRGG1]

Looks like you need some "Jeep" logos for that loco!

[@ccrx6700]

Hey Steve, hope you are doing well my friend

[@PRRGG1]

@@ccrx6700 Hi ya Dave! Doing ok here. Hope you didn't have too much trouble getting the line back open. Hope to "binge watch" a few of your videos tonight.

[@ccrx6700]

@@PRRGG1 glad all is okay my friend, thanks for touching base back with me

[@Crookedriverandeasternrr]

Wow that’s something! Pappy from trigogglin sent me over. Liked and subbed to ya. Thank you for sharing 👍

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks, he a good man, we text all time each other. Saw you in his latest vid. Have watched Deshler vam for years, was finally cool see it ground level. Thank you

[@Crookedriverandeasternrr]

@@ccrx6700 yes he is. It was great to finally get to meet him. We only live a couple hours apart too. So hopefully this will be the first of many get together. 👍

[@KraziIvan]

Wow... Glad everything stayed upright. Positive side .. going to be some neat videos coming up.

[@saintsi6997]

Two questions , Why do they leave the Loco engine running, and why not GPS track the speed of the train?

[@billcochran4072]

I’m sure the locomotive has a speed recorder, they all do.

[@ccrx6700]

Yes sir they do, train was going 22 MPH when this happened, track speed is 25. Thanks for watching and hope you will stay tuned for the rest of the upcoming videos about all of the events that happened here.

[@davidbagley1783]

@@ccrx6700 aloha.. my dad worked Conrail and Penn Central for 30 years

[@davidbagley1783]

Sabotage

[@travelingtom923]

They probably kept the locomotive running because sometimes those older locomotives batteries are not the best and it may not start again. Last thing you need is a locomotive with a dead battery once it is re-railed.

[@2flyabove]

All I know is that Thomas the Tank Engine never liked Diesel.

[@rearspeaker6364]

and he didn't like the thought of being changed into an oil burner!!!

[@camorrisiii]

I know Sir Topham Hat would be very cross with this amount of damage. All sorts of confusion and delay.

[@rearspeaker6364]

@@camorrisiii his hat would be smoking!!

[@ccrx6700]

you are so right in that, glad he didn't show up here....lol

[@brentboswell1294]

It was the Troublesome Trucks...they fessed up during questioning 🤣

[@nevilledillon2565]

Hi Dave. Thanks for the great report. I am rather surprised you guys don't use a more modern tie plate, like the ones that use spring clips on either side over the rail flange that are hammered in. From what I've been told, these hold the rail upright much better than just spikes, which can pull straight out. The new plates can be used with screws also, which are really secure, but I guess a bit extra work initially, and probably more expensive overall. Good luck and good weather for your repairs. At least it's summer there, not like 3 deg C (37 deg F) where I am.

[@ccrx6700]

Yes the Pandrol clips do, this track was built 1975/76 using spikes, so to change all of them over is a monumental task and tremendous expense and if we just did it in the high degree curves, well we got 70 curves and over half of them are above 5 degrees so again it's monumental

[@sd90mac61]

Boy that was a hell of a disaster, glad no one got hurt. I'm sure those cars are still operable, and that loco too, glad the fuel tank didn't tear open, she's sure purring like a kitten, love the idle, on that loco. THANKS FOR SHARING THIS WITH ME✌️👌👍.

[@northstar2007]

could speed be a factor? a little too hot in that corner and bessie just starts pushing out that outer rail and boom, you got the issue...

[@paintballthieupwns]

My thought when I saw it

[@robertinscoe2379]

Dave had said that engine speed was just 22mph with a limit of 25mph

[@northstar2007]

@@robertinscoe2379 indicated vs actual can differ... takes a heck of a lot of force to roll the rail like that and the road bed is maintained well, be interesting to see how this one plays out

[@robertinscoe2379]

@@northstar2007 yes sir. I still think one of the loaded cars had a bad truck and rolled the rail under it.

[@larmo5633]

I think a lot of us are thinking speed being a factor, but that's the usual suspect at first I'm sure. With that being said lets let things play out and see what follows..I suppose a bad wheel/truck assembly, or possibly an over loaded car could cause a issue as well. Very curious on the outcome of this. No one was hurt, everything else can be fixed.

[@beavis8167]

When you think everything's going smooth with the track and this shit happens.

[@AgentMulder1805]

Those wheels certainly were dug in like an Alabama tick, Dave. What a flamin mess! Never seen the like!

[@ccrx6700]

LOL that made me laugh! Sure appreciate your taking the time to watch the video today my friend.

[@ed-gw3ov]

Wow,,,,that sucks! Sorry to hear it. Glad no one was hurt.

[@robertl4824]

At 22mph the loco must have been off the rails for 43 seconds! 32.3 feet/sec = 22mph.

[@lydiaanderson4247]

@ Robert L hello how are you doing

[@littlewingpsc27]

Did the derailment start at the end of the curve as you transition from super elevation back to level track? Maybe a wheel flange rode over the top of the rail in the transition area and the rail got caught between two wheel sets of a truck assembly. That would explain why the rail is laid over like that, why the train stayed upright within the roadbed, and why so many ties are cut. Once a car or locomotive truck was on the ground those wheel flanges will cut through the ties plus any dragging equipment. Sorry it happened but a great amount of content potential at least. Glad no one was hurt. How remote is that area to get equipment into?

[@ThePaulv12]

Excessive train speed may explain it too. That and an undetected mudhole perhaps? Dunno my remark is just an opinion of a KZbin commenter which as we all know isn't worth much lol.

[@lydiaanderson4247]

@ littlewingpsc27 hello how are you doing

[@michaelsmodelrailroading7665]

What a MESS! You've sure got a job of SERIOUS WORK in front of you. Good luck 🍀 getting it done and everything rolling again! But that's railroading!

[@fredygump5578]

It looks to me like you got lucky! I'm looking at that rut right along the edge of that embankment. Looks like a pretty steep drop off. But I'm sure you'll get it all sorted out.