Major Packout Drawer Flaw Fixed - 5 Minute Mods - Ep2 Rail Caps

In this video we fix one of the biggest issues with the Milwaukee Packout drawers. Removing the rails. In this 5 minute mod episode we show you how to upgrade your rails with a new mod that makes taking the rails in and out easy to do without breaking your packout.
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[@ealdydar]

You can do the same thing with the piece that came with the box. Ive just drilled and tapped the one after removing it.

[@PFab]

This should be a no-brainer 😅

[@narutobroken]

No music next time please

[@roadeomagic]

I concur with M-T-A. Gonna have to order a few. YOU DA MAN BRO!!!

[@packibletool]

Lol order quick. These are sorta blowing up… I’m going to be printing these for weeks 😬

[@MilwaukeeToolAddict]

Amazing mod Alex. I love the idea. Now I just need to figure out how many I need…

[@packibletool]

Thanks Dan! I’m sure we can get you hooked up!

[@JBSaul]

Metric hardware option would be really nice.

[@TheTdub]

@ealdydar, that's exactly what I was thinking , or even maybe put a thread insert(rivet nut) in the hole you dill out with a countersunk head.

[@TheTdub]

*drill out not "dill" 🙂

[@louisperich6678]

it would be better in my opinion to have a mount that comes in 2 pieces that together wrap snugly around the aluminum bar and screws together so nothing need to be removed from the packout and fiddled with in the first place.

[@packibletool]

We have actually thought about this! I've gone as far as prototyping and designing one even. However, there is a trade off in doing so, and that is you add infinite more complexity and cost to making such a mount like you speak of. And I am not convinced that most folks would rather pay significantly more for the mounts, simply to avoid the small handfull of times they will detach the rails. Ideally once you get this setup, you would not be doing this every single day... Right? Hopefully you see where I am coming from.

[@louisperich6678]

@@packibletool i would pay more. I have packouts with bent rails I can’t manage to remove. Folks with the drawer units often struggle getting the top tab loose. you can start with the extrusion design you have, drill and tap as you do now, slice it in half vertically, to create a front and back and there you have it. Or else extend the front-to-back hole dimension by the width of the kerf to keep the two haves flush when you screw the hardware down. I don’t think you need a new design or to abandon an extrusion.

[@packibletool]

@@louisperich6678 I wish it were that simple. Splitting that extrusion in half at scale in a production environment would be a task all by itself. There is absolutely no easy way to do it. And then there is the challenge of how to join the two halves back together. You would have to get some very very small screws to join them... The walls are only 3/16 thick. Which means you would need to get a screw like 1/16 in diameter. Drilling and tapping holes that small at scale is an absolute nightmare. Not to mention you'd need quite a few of them to make it even remotely as strong as it is as a solid piece. This would be something where one would need to start from scratch and design with that function in mind to make it practical to manufacture and make. You'd need a two part design, which means two new extrusion die sets, new fixturing and tooling, and twice as many parts and components to manage internally. Every extrusion shape is 1,000lb minimum order, which means stocking and tying up twice as much money in inventory. It's twice the number of fixtures and loads into the cnc. Twice the handling, washing, packaging, etc... We're talking $10k or more and months of time to get it off the ground... Which is why I think that trade off of removing the rails is a small price to pay for something thats cheap and robust and only needs to be done theoretically a couple times for the life of the box. That is sort of the point of this product as well. To make the rails as easy to remove as one can. Which is easier to do than redesigning mounts that go on without taking the rails off.. I'm not saying we won't ever do it. Just that when given the choice between solving a problem in not sure really exists, simply to make the product better. (Hardly anyone ever has complained about removing the rails to install). And choosing to make new innovative items where there are large issues with zero solution, i'm choosing to focus our attention there as it's a better business decision. It's tough. I like to make the absolute best product one possibly can. And I agree with you, if it did what you're asking, it would take our RAM mounts to that level. But often the trade off seems to be that the thing that makes sense in business terms is the design that's 80% of what you want it to be, and is profitable to produce and sell vs. the things that's 100% of what you want and costs a fortune nobody will buy it.

[@packibletool]

@@louisperich6678 Also, fun fact! When we originally designed this 3 years ago, it was a two part design, and we make it a single part design for all the reasons i described below. I had a very innovative idea on how to go about doing a two part design more economically 4-6 months ago. Flushed it all out and it still didn't make sense to invest the money and effort there at the time, even though it was super dope what we came up with. Unfortunately while I wish I could design and make without limitations, making a living and staying in business dictate what is and is not good. And usually what is good for one is the opposite for the other. I wish it were not so but... Alas! I like to eat and not live on the street lol

[@louisperich6678]

@@packibletool LOL I totally get that, no worries!

[@danlux4954]

My biggest problem was the drawer rail wasn’t attached, had to return it and get a new one.

[@jmullis7377]

Like others I found the removal method Packible shows in his other video just would not work, don't know how he makes it look easy. What I discovered after thinking on it a bit, is that it works approaching it from above, hard to describe but here goes. Narrow flat blade screwdriver, insert in hole from above at an angle just below the red nub, pry back gently far enough for nub to clear, pull rail out, you are using the nub as a fulcrum. The screwdriver blade acts a guide for the nub to clear the black top. I also found helpful with the pulling part by using another screwdriver at bottom, slip in along side the cap far enough to catch the end cap, pry to use as a lever to get the rail moving. Afterwards I trimmed the nub down, drilled it and used an M6 cap screw, which essentially replaces the nub, similar to the caps you can buy from Packable. The head perfectly recesses into the hole in the black top.

[@billtaylor2405]

I had already chewed up the corner pretty good, but I found using a slightly bigger screw driver and driving up underneath the lip makes it easier to apply your suggestion it worked. I tore enough up that I bought the kit with new pieces and will install them when they arrive. I don't think the OEM plastic tabs will support much weight once the posts have been released and reinstalled. Your idea is better than the video. You should do your own video. Also, if you measure 2 3/4" down the rail from the lip of the red material to the top of the mounting bracket, and then tweak it with the level after you get the Joey Jr. mounted, the handle will be flush with the top of the 3 drawer box. There is too much clearance between the brack and the side of the box, so when the accessory is hung on the Joey Jr, the lock does not catch under the red lip. Not a very well thought out design.

[@robbiebaker89]

Where can I buy this?

[@wadehughes8986]

Great video, but please please please, cut the music.

[@packibletool]

Thanks for the feedback

[@jaysgood10]

Yeah, you’re not showing puppy pictures. 😂

[@cnote9958]

Turn the dam music down!!! Great video otherwise!

[@reddbeard2030]

Great Vid! I wouldn't call it a flaw though. It serves the purpose They designed it for Perfectly. It's actually saving Them $$$. Mods are Our Problem, lol!

[@packibletool]

100% agree. As an engineer totally get why they did it. Likely make assembly quicker and faster saved them money. But gotta have a catchy title so people click and watch man!

[@jmullis7377]

@@packibletool As an engineer myself, yes easier original assembly. For attaching accessories though, they should be easier to remove.

[@packibletool]

@@jmullis7377 True! But milwaukee does not sell accessories so I don't know if they care. I also believe if they ever do they will use some sort of device that is like the plastic clamps on the ends of bar bells for weightlifting. That wraps around and then clamps. So rails do not have to be removed at all.

[@ammonsequiptment9877]

I drilled out the old ones

[@TAL1B33ZY]

Can a m18 compact bandsaw fit in the drawer?

[@packibletool]

No clue..

[@leemobai762]

Stupid sound thankfully there are subtitles e

[@loucifer4205]

Those bars do nothing for the structure

[@jmullis7377]

Not supposed to, they are for mounting accessories. That said they should be a little easier to remove like other packout modules.

[@packibletool]

I believe they are there to help prevent damage on corners if they were to be dropped. Also there for places to strap down, handle the boxes, etc... And of course mount accessories. Although I don't know if this was Milwaukee's vision from the onset or not.

[@bossmanz28]

​@@jmullis7377 honestly idk if that was ever there intended purpose. As far as i know what accessories does milwaukee themself make that goes to those rails? And if they do now i really dont think there were any b4. I think they jus did it as like a roll cage for dropping it and to grab the box by. I think us ppl are the ones that were jus like hey can mount all kinds of stuff to these rails

[@TheMatman54]

You know, having ads on the video that is supposed to convince me to support your company really rubs me the wrong way.

[@packibletool]

Yeah... I have no control over that. KZbin does not let you turn them on and off. I'm definitely not making money off my videos I can assure you that. Strictly to hopefully provide value and solutions to people with packouts!

[@TheMatman54]

@@packibletoolI must have been in a bad mood the day I commented this. Anyways, yea that makes sense. I bought the packible joey and have enjoyed it.

[@MrTackleberry79]

Had to stop at the 2 min mark... That damned "music" is aggravating. See ya. Hope I get to watch you stuff another time without the grating noise. 😖

[@packibletool]

Appreciate the feedback!

[@bwojak3226]

OK so what the hell is the point? Some of you guys get a little too geeky on your pack outs.

[@bobbybarnes1652]

There are a many different not-stupid reasons. I use Packout boxes in the back of my SXS. I used Packible "MonkeyBars" to attach Rotopax mounts for Rotopax fuel and water packs. This saves space and keeps my fuel and water secure.