Major Poker Controversy at the WSOP : Men Nguyen at the Center

Shocking poker drama has occurred at the 2024 WSOP involving Men Nguyen a.k.a Men the Master who has been accused of shorting or stealing poker chips during a WSOP tournament from Brian Smith. With a history of poker cheating , and numerous accusations in the past the poker community is having its doubts on Men Nguyen.
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[@MP-tf7cc]

Isn't it the dealer's responsibility to form the main and side pots before dealing the rest of the hand?

[@jeffboyd7867]

Said this exact thing on another video about this. That has always been my experience, regardless of whether it is tourney play or cash game.

[@terrygracy8345]

Absolutely

[@seanmcgowan8819]

Dealer here, and i can tell you that is indeed the dealers job. The player shld also be watching the whole time, not running away from the action. All that said, its still clearly a scumbag move by Men, who i believe purposely took advantage of the situation

[@derrickyegge1303]

Yes

[@csnide6702]

should be ..................

[@dmed312]

How is no one talking about the dealer doing a bad job here?

[@707ridah]

He should get black listed for his bull 💩 stunt for that. He knew exactly what he was doing

[@mcfly7]

Is name is Men The Snake Nguyen. And the floor obviously lied about reviewing the footage. They clearly can not see on camera what happens. The ruling of the braindead incompetent floor is mind-boggling.

[@joesmith9053]

what did he do?/

[@baileym4708]

What is clear? He pushed in a lot more than what Smith did so him pulling back chips isn't abnormal. This is all on the dealer to get the pot right and ship the right amount to the player.

[@kingcardboard4667]

Why didnt the dealer break chips down to verify the amounts? It's deep in a huge tournament and Day 2, if I'm not mistaken. Come on WSOP.

[@YouTubeaidsreal]

I made this mistake before realizing as i pulled everything into the center chaos ensued 😂

[@ShinestuHiko]

Shut ur mouth ! The dealer has family also

[@yt.personal.identification]

​@@ShinestuHiko He should have thought about them before failing to do his job properly.

[@mrheckles6076]

There's isn't THAT many good dealers, that's all there is to it.

[@kingcardboard4667]

@@ShinestuHiko okay so since they have a family they shouldnt do their job correctly? You hiring?

[@libertyforamericanow]

This actually looks worse for the whole wsop than it does men. This is enough to make me not ever want to play a wsop tournament

[@bonwatcher]

A huge event like the WSOP and they can't refer to camera footage or anything concrete to figure it out? That is a huge fail on The Horseshoe's part and shows how cheap their parent company Caesar's Entertainment really is in putting money into customer satisfaction and only is there to rake their profits from their marks.

[@derekgleeson1353]

80% of your comment if presumption, speculation, and guesswork. In other words, a typically useless KZbin comment.

[@csnide6702]

exactly

[@mattaff1]

Surely the dealer is meant to deal with the pot, once the rivers dealt, Players should keep there hands off any chips past the line. until authorised

[@MrSunglassesReacts]

As a former high stakes poker dealer this is beyond any shadow of a doubt 100% the dealers fault… think of your local home game how drunk and rowdy things get after a huge hand… the dealer needs to control the table at all times with things like this and if you see anything funny you stand and call the floor IMMEDIATELY

[@BitcoinMotorist]

How did the dealer screw this up?

[@stevenrunyon170]

A dishonest poker player? C'mon you have to be kidding. lol

[@MegaLBreezy]

Seriously

[@philrich6327]

a) dealer should have had chips in the 2 pots. b) player who won should have stayed at table and not celebrated. c) WSOP should checked video or if they knew chip values checked stacks. Could have counted men’s stack. d) be wary of men at your table.

[@csnide6702]

So ... are there no cameras ...? -- Why is this a "dispute"....? What the F is wrong with doing math...?

[@AlwaysSerious]

I’ve had great dealers at Caesar’s poker rooms, and I’ve had dealers that looked like they’d been awake for 36 hours and did heroin before their shift (and their math was about what you’d expect from that person).

[@timothywinters7304]

They have to know where the chips are after reviewing the cameras? Also it is the dealers fault.

[@antarcticorb9197]

Nothing new for this guy. I hung with some of the top players when Men came on the scene, and they were all skeptical of his honesty.

[@iverbure]

You have to be right from the start with the cut of his jib

[@ginjjiigok364]

No room for cheaters at the table, get this guy out of the wsop

[@BitcoinMotorist]

We don't know for sure Men cheated. The video of him pulling his chips back isn't the smoking gun everyone is making it out to be. He covered the two other players and the side pot was split so it makes sense that he would pull his chips back. I think this is a dealer error

[@ginjjiigok364]

@@BitcoinMotorist Several different stories have come up over the years though. Stories of him having a team of of chip movers working for him. stories of them saving tournament chips and so on. Im just a fan and i dont know shit, but ive been a fan for decades and have seen several stories come out on men. Dude should be watched like a hawk and have a thin rope at the very least

[@tonyswe9463]

Kick him out of Wsop

[@Haterade420]

@@BitcoinMotoristhe ran a poker scheme in California with other Vietnamese poker players where they made sure the money stay within the group. Collusion.

[@trentrez6643]

I dont feel bad for him AND I dont condone cheating. I never understood why players have to act like that, yelling and carrying on, running around slapping hands etc. Its so juvenile

[@jayotangs3067]

The real problem is the Dealer not counting the involved players’ chips before pushing the pot. Some of the dealers let players count their own chips and assume it’s all correct.

[@tonyarmentanobass8576]

The guy got screwed. There has to be a boss (dealer) at the table, and the eye in the sky should catch it all.

[@Giants4641]

Wow. The world series of poker is totally sketch after this debacle. This is a bad look for poker in general.

[@mikeglenn5212]

100% dealers fault. Once it's called your supposed to pull in the main and side pots. Total failure on the dealers fault.

[@8mondaymonkey]

I’m pretty sure Daniel doesn’t like men.

[@ericzeigler8669]

Men Nguyen has been accused of taking tournament chips to his hotel room at other tournaments, namely the Commerce Casino's CA State Poker Championships. He said it was an accident and still had the audacity to show his face at other events after his confession. Tournament directors and casino staff value his attendance for some unknown reason.

[@arrinstoner]

I worked in casinos for over 10 years in surveillance. You have to stay with your chips and monitor your payouts! Yes, the dealer screwed up, dealers screw up all the time, it's human error, it's going to happen. It happened every single day I worked, multiple times. You are responsible for protecting your chips from dealer mistakes and cheats. I think this should be an important lesson for poker players to watch your money. People like Men Nyguen are everywhere, they have no moral compass, they have no honor. Be aware, watch your chips!

[@AbsoluteNut1]

If a casino can review the tape to see who grabbed my small blind, they can resolve this. It was a $1 blind.

[@PaulJohn283]

Just do the math after the break and see who has a few more million than they should? What a pile of shit, I would file a law suit on WSOP.

[@guillaumevieira7741]

The video of Men Nguyen taking back some chips is silly it's no proof of anything. If player A was allin for 4.5m and player B reshoved 10m, called by Men, then he had a side pot of 11m with player B. As both held AK, they shared that pot, so it's just normal to take back these chips on that case. As for the main pot, we are left with nothing confirmed, the real stack sizes before and just after the hand, if there had been action until the redraw, if the dealer had separated both pots properly, etc. It's just impossible to tell anything.

[@timcross2510]

We can count

[@pauldow1648]

Where was the dealer ......

[@chrisholt7248]

Men “The master cheat” Nguyen

[@bobcatwelder00]

players should not be involved in chip counting after a pots won and another player reaching into help count others chips should never happen but does

[@theohaas8092]

Been playing cards since I was 5 I'm now 72 I've dealt millions of hands it is entirely the responsibility of the dealer to focus on the action and the count the dealer can freeze the table at any time if there's any confusion players are not allowed to move or touch the table the dealer can also call for a deck count and a chip count at any time and can call in the floor boss

[@HipsterDoofus100]

Clearly Men was schtooping this dealer

[@GetOffTheLawn]

Play a straight game or don't play at all. Hate cheating. Once a cheater always a cheater. No honor.

[@garylashley6640]

It looked like a star trek convention, with a bunch of old burnouts.

[@tomservo5607]

If a Casino dealer was missing any amount of chips the Casino would have figured it out QUICKLY and took action IMMEDIATELY!!!

[@jessecumbee6156]

What’s crazy is there been accusations of him cheating like this for decades. Before “moneymaker “ boom even back to when camera weren’t all over. Been accusations all the time over last 10 years yet nothing happens. Yes he’s an old school poker celb and respected by casinos staff but how long and many times will he be allowed to cheat with no repercussions. One of my poker buddies in home circle even had a run in at Bellagio 5/6 years ago. Accused him of pulling chips off the table before calling an all in. Even before the floor came He had nerve to ask my friend to go outside of course he’ll oblige. Then he said no we wait on floor and they clearly saw it and made him put back 2 1k chips but it was more like 6 chips he took off. Started making a scene saying check his pockets knowing they can’t an won’t.

[@christophergargaro959]

In a tournament all in situation - especially one with side pots - chips should be counted and pots established before the board is dealt. Don’t give angle shooters like Men the chance to pull Whether its procedure or not, correct way to avoid this is dealer counts all their stacks before the board runs out and they establish the main and side pot and the chips are in the middle in a pile thus Men can’t retract chips that are no longer his. That said, this isn’t the first - or second or third - time Men has been accused or found to have done this on video so some penalty should be implemented. Deception is part of the game but this is outright cheating and withholding chips you lost to an opponent.

[@JYDMAZDA]

Yes, first and foremost before the cards are dealt I want to make sure the pots are correct. Ok, here are my chips, his call, his call, and what is already in the middle. That is the main pot that I can win. The rest is on the side between them. I am keeping my eye on that pot. When I win I am sitting there and making sure that I get what I am supposed to get. I am then pushed the pot and can restack my chips. When they do the redraw and there is a break, etc., then I can go and talk to my buddies. Everyone is responsible for watching out for their own interests at the table and need to be paying attention to things like this.

[@megapromo3771]

Deport.

[@superwario2741]

Hey guys, it's Men here. Just want to confirm that I didn't cheat and I have issues with many players that I can't disclose right now. Thanks.

[@Evebr]

Men would not enjoy poker 100 years ago. Some people have no backbone.

[@lupeventura1546]

How does this remain unsolved when there is clear video of the situation. Dealer error but ultimately casino should have corrected it!!!

[@forsaken7976]

Men giving men a bad name…. 😏

[@Gmexican]

The dealer has to create the main pot and side pots. Why this wasnt done before the draw is crazy. It doesn't make sense though. Why is his stack not in front of him, so after the hand its counted and the blinds are set apart. Very weird hand. If i go all in three ways i put my Chips in or a single chip but confirming the all in while verbally, why was his stack somewhere else, why did the dealer not collect the right amounts from each other player. Soundy skiddish. Maybe even dealer other player scheming

[@zionpaul-uc5ow]

Maybe don't celebrate and keep focused at the table???? Men ripped him off. Simple

[@stevenroberts614]

You should not be punished and screwed for celebrating. While I agree he should pay attention for this reason, he should also be allowed to act like a nut and still get paid.

[@outlawgordee]

He was annoying af. Ngyuen taught him a lesson.

[@Eadweard76]

Whats the mystery here wsop? Do your job. Its negligence pure and simple. The dealer didn't award the proper amount. Floor should have figured it out. If they cant then , thats what the cameras are for.

[@csnide6702]

exactly why you should avoid WSOP if you are a serious gambler.

[@Bryce-qh9rt]

That’s on the dealer/casino. But dude should be banned from casinos to much history of cheating on his resume

[@sergiobadillo5525]

I can’t tell you how many time I’ve seen this happen. That’s why you always match the respective all ins before the cards are dealt, apparently math is hard bush league dealer.

[@bhedrick101]

no skip button

[@SSHitMan]

Should have stayed at the table paying attention instead of running around hooting and hollering.

[@popskull42]

There are only so many competent dealers out there willing to do the job. The bigger the even, the less competent the average dealer will be and the more other avenues are needed to make up for that and assure the integrity of the game. I'm not saying anything personally about this dealer, and clearly everyone is human, but this is just simple logic. I could easily see a team of quick-moving chip handlers that come around and sort out the pot whenever there is a side pot or all-in situation just to take some mental load off the main dealer.

[@nathjohn3158]

I always get a laugh out on Bonomo calling out poker cheats and for permanent bans. What a mong. He really believes everyone forgot what he did.

[@bullyboy131]

What did he do?

[@nathjohn3158]

@@bullyboy131 multi accounting on stars, got a long ban. Should have been life.

[@LeagueProReplays]

@@bullyboy131caught multi-accounting on PartyPoker and banned on multiple sites.

[@Romans8-9]

@@bullyboy131 He multi-accounted online back in the day.

[@DrBrightSCP]

I think the dealer was inexperienced.

[@tomwilko7841]

Watched the entire clip and have no idea what happened

[@davidanderson8243]

Men basically took the chips that he put out back into his stack and nobody called him on it.

[@Trickmyster777]

All the yelling and theatrics are what distracted the dealer, and men took advantage. I see all 3 of them at fault. Act like a fool, and there are consequences 🤷‍♂️

[@mrbl5234]

i thought the dealer was meant to sort that stuff out, he short have kept quiet till he got his chips, thats the only thing that matters

[@timcross2510]

A game known forever for great cheaters and cheating. No referees! If I was younger, or even if I could walk to my mailbox , I would be offering cheap insurance of the most basic kind

[@letsgobrandon6281]

I don't think he stole the chips Intentionally

[@quiksix25]

I put a lot of trust in dealers to do their jobs right

[@jonbedker5229]

If Nguyen had 25 million at the start of the hand, he should have 20.5 left. If he had more, he took the chips.

[@alpark3024]

so men took all of his chips back? he is a cheater. but dealer should of took all the chips from other players and not let men touch his chips.

[@odysseusnissan]

Dealer failed. Management failed. Winning player failed. But Men the Snake Nguyen succeeded(if he doesn't face accountability for this).

[@micahgarner6321]

Fried fish 🐟

[@commonsenseisntcommon1776]

Banned? ARRESTED FOR GRAND THEFT!!!

[@rob0matic]

how is this botched so bad in a main pot chop and side pot short stack triples up

[@tomwilko7841]

I mean if men was in fact cheating why the hell would the third guy pay that extra million after the floor managers intervention?? It looks like the dealer made an absolute cockup of counting the chips and there was no cheating by the players of any kind, men is due an apology from a lot of armchair columbo's on here

[@karlosspades7293]

It was on screen too oh how much J5 had before all in so why have video of the game lol And chips in cards and chips in them

[@colinbooher3945]

yeah he was shortchanged

[@IRw-zi6mx]

Honey i won but they didnt pay me proper! Honey you still there?

[@joesmith9053]

his animation was a bit much,

[@webguy943]

If i sat next to men i would have said something. Such a rookke mistake

[@dav2333]

Maybe don't act like a clown , focus on the pot and make sure it's 💯 correct

[@chippedtoothtony9665]

Daniel with his surgical beard and hair. That’s so embarrassing.

[@joesmith9053]

its the dealers fault

[@charliechan6827]

WSOP IS CRAP POKER!

[@philbbb7753]

so i had the idea of putting RFID chips inside poker chips and display the player stack amount at all time on the table. it could solve a bunch of problem and also making it easier for new player etc... great business idea? great for the community? dont get me wrong i hated electronic table when they were thing. but an hybrid table. i think its worth trying and getting a look at. what do you think????

[@kingcardboard4667]

I work with RFID chips currently and they are crap. They go dead and dont always display the correct amounts plus they can be reprogrammed and rep high demon chips.

[@philbbb7753]

@@kingcardboard4667 any other idea to display the amount of the stack at all time on the poker table. may be magnet or something than?

[@kingcardboard4667]

@@philbbb7753 it would have to be digital so no chips at all. Like the cruise ship poker things

[@bradwikert3244]

Didn't they shoot people for that

[@jeremyrogers6179]

This guy is sucker instead of celebrating he should've been watching the inexperienced dealer making sure he got paid correctly, Men played him like a true master!

[@user-rk5qq9sb7p]

Totally on the dealer and player. Dealer should have put both pots together and had them separated. The player should have asked for that as well. You don’t deal the cards then figure it out after. This should have never happened in an WSOP event. Then even after all that, verbal and action should have resulted in officials getting the counts correct.

[@naswiipp]

How do we know that J5 smitty has 4.5 million? If anything Men assumed that the dealer actually did their job. Or that the floor did their job considering they we tableside

[@tyleryoung2348]

blaming another player for the dealer's mistake.......and next time dont celebrate like a cokehead

[@user-eq2cm8bq2l]

Hope that 4.5 million chip victory lap was worth it. Next time, ACT LIKE A GENT, and get paid in full like one too-

[@TC.....]

no proof you can't accuse cheating

[@commonsenseisntcommon1776]

video evidence!

[@anewfuture]

Here is a novel idea...stop being a clown yelling across the room and sit down to count your chips right there?

[@artvandalay7632]

Stop walking away while your money is being counted.

[@Boris_Greca]

maybe 10% of the cheating /colluding in these poker rooms gets caught , 90% runs free. afterall if you're a grinder you must cheat to win in any given year

[@kevindelong7046]

Cheat in a taped event not smart.

[@steveb9525]

He has been cheating and stealing for 90 years. Now you want to do something about it. All poker players are con artists and scammers. Me most of all. Who cares?