MAJOR update: Adobe Camera Raw 17

[@lesfisher8941]

This is my 24th year using PS and still learning, this tutorial has been very helpful, thankyou for your continues enthusiasm for this program, watching from the UK.

[@f64Academy]

Isn't it the best? 26 years here and still learning new things every day.

[@66TooManyDreams99]

35 years for me. I appreciate creation and even more so, I love learning

[@wjstewardson]

Superb analysis !

[@f64Academy]

Thank you 😁

[@helloianzakharov]

Best review for new things in ACR

[@f64Academy]

Thank you! I appreciate it.

[@helloianzakharov]

@@f64Academy thanks for your work. Would be great to see solid Lab space video from you

[@f64Academy]

@@helloianzakharov I don't dive much into Lab. I used to but not as much anymore. I feel like the combination of tools and sensor technology have kept me away from Lab for a while. I use it less and less these days. We'll see.

[@davidclement5927]

Thanks Blake, appreciate your frank response.

[@f64Academy]

My pleasure!

[@briangilbert6241]

great tutorial learned a lot thank you.

[@bobkillen8396]

excellent review.

[@f64Academy]

Thanks!

[@jayehaleryn801]

Save the women and children from being HDR'd...made me laugh out loud which woke up my dog...lolol! Great information, Blake! Thank you! :D

[@f64Academy]

Glad I could make you laugh a bit. The women and children definitely need to be sheltered from HDR. Everyone looks like a coal miner when HDR'ed hahaha

[@jayehaleryn801]

@@f64Academy Agreed! And the laugh was appreciated! LOL! Not by Brandy (doggo), but definitely by me! LOL!

[@uhligsu]

Thanks. The review yet.

[@f64Academy]

Thanks so much, I appreciate it.

[@jhfatia]

I don't understand why, despite the engine being the same, these new things in Camera Raw are not present in the recently released Lightroom?

[@f64Academy]

I don't know. I'm not on "Team Adobe" I just report what I know, sorry :(

[@Bj0ern]

Same here. Wanted to check out the beta profile in Lightroom - it ain't there. And the new denoising workflow is missing there, as well. What a bummer, though it'll come to lr soon, I hope. Thanks for showing and explaining the new stuff, f64academy 👍

[@maggnet4829]

Probably they want to encourage you to pay for LR and PS. Thus new features only trickly into LR.

[@f64Academy]

@@maggnet4829 I doubt that.. Lol... LR and PS are in the same package for 9.99 a month. This is a conspiracy theory that died before it grew legs 😔

[@billgillespie1956]

Interestingly if you open an image in Lightroom and then Edit in Photoshop and use the ACR it is still missing, weird!!!

[@alefeusch]

Fwiw,.there is a small icon on the little version thumbnails in generative expand that upscales the generated portion and, while not perfect, renders an image quality that matches the detail and noise profile much more closely than the example shown in the video.

[@f64Academy]

Good point. I have further investigated this after the video. It really does depend on the image. It works decently well on my Nikon Zf files (24 MP) but it still lacks the necessary detail on my larger Sony A1 files (50 MP). I use my A1 more than my Zf so for me this feature is not helpful until it can match that of the A1.

[@MCCraftAdventure]

I wanted to say in my testing it looks nice on portraits, it seems to be separating color tones, and I didn't experience overexposing, I had an extremely warm image of a young lady in a blue cinderella dress, and it really made a nice starting point.

[@f64Academy]

If say it's going to be image specific, environmental portraits look great in my experience, but headshots and closeups can get a little overly HDR looking to my eye. If it's used with a low amount, it can work, though.

[@MCCraftAdventure]

@@f64Academy I’ll keep trying it maybe I’ll run into the same thing with other portraits.

[@hramakrishnaiah413]

Nice review.

[@f64Academy]

Thank you!

[@pattymattes7124]

Even for content aware fill I wish it would look at the close neighboring pixels for the detail instead of the more blurry areas. You would think that would be a simple thing to have it do but I guess not. Thanks for doing these videos.

[@mordavian]

I mostly use Adobe linear profile for my photos but i will try this new adaptive one.

[@f64Academy]

Linear profiles are great for many reasons. These profiles add a new layer to the workflow when we need it as well.

[@davidclement5927]

Hi Blake, thanks for another great video on the new features in Camera RAW. I currently use Lightroom Classic to do my RAW processing and manage my photo Library. But the new features in ACR are not available in Lightroom. If I use Bridge to open a RAW file in ACR, then I can use the new features on my RAW files, for example the Adaptive Profile adjustment. I can save the adjustments , close the edit and go back to it again to adjust them if required. However, the profile on the same RAW file in Lightroom shows Adobe Color as the profile. The same RAW file saves two totally different sets of adjustments depending on which tool you use to open the RAW file. It must I guess store the RAW adjustments in two different places. Trying to manage RAW files in Lightroom therefore becomes a real problem. Is there any way around this. Thanks

[@f64Academy]

I honestly don't know or care to know. I don't mean to be rude, I really don't. I just don't use Lightroom as that workflow has always confused me. Unlike many other educators, I spend 90% of my time in Photoshop and 10% in the Raw editor, so ACR makes more sense to me. Matt Kloskowski just made this video today that you might find helpful: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gX67hqasgZiEZ7s

[@JohnJohnson-bo5sv]

@f64 can u tell me what cursor magnifying glass app you are using?

[@f64Academy]

It's not something I see on my screen, its baked into the video using Camtasia, my video editing software.

[@MCCraftAdventure]

Clearly "Adaptive Profile" was your favorite feature to have 4 segments of your video dedicated to it.

[@f64Academy]

Yep. I definitely like the possibilities of it.

[@mohamedsheriff92]

Is the Denoised file available to use in LRC

[@f64Academy]

Experiment and find out 😁 I don't mean to be a jerk by that but it's the only way you'll know. I don't have Lightroom installed. I don't use it.

[@Jon-pi1lp]

I have seen some tests on Dpreview forum. It looks like Adobe has catched up with DxO , when it comes to noise reduction. Earlier I had to do NR in DxO > DNG > import it to Adobe.

[@f64Academy]

I think it's always been good. I believe people tend to be really finicky about this topic and some people's expectations on what noise reduction should be are skewed. I've never had a problem with Adobe's NR.

[@tavomb]

3:24 just click the enable expand checkbox no?

[@photonsonpixels]

I understand your frustration with the noise not being matched by Generative AI, Blake. Is it possible/worth trying to add noise via a localized mask? And, BTW, I love the rooster picture! Thanks.

[@f64Academy]

Good thinking, but entirely too much work and I dont think you'd ever be able to get the exact shape of the patched area. I'm better off doing anything I need to in Photoshop without the Gen AI stuff. All Gen AI tools are crap IMO. They really need to focus on the noise and detail patterns before "Improving" the results. Even though their improvements are laughable in the industry of generative AI. They'll get there, they just have to put the manpower in the right place. I wont use it until they do.

[@jpmissdeNice]

Great new features and video. As a Lr user I wanted to try the new Denoise feature. Unfortunately it's not still in Lr. So I've tried to see what happen if I open the image in ACR, use the Denoise feature, close the file and reopen it in Lr. And sadly it doesn't work... Obviously Lr can't read the .acr side car file yet.

[@f64Academy]

They'll get there eventually, they always do. You see we used to wait for ACR to get the Lightroom updates, now it's the other way around 🤣

[@yigitboylu8543]

when you select adaptive profile it works

[@drpentecost]

Thanks for this video Blake. As the latest version of denoise is only available in ACR, Can a raw file in lightroom be sent as a smart object and be edited in the latest version of Adobe Camera Raw and go back to Lightroom without an additional file being created ? Thanks

[@f64Academy]

Unfortunately, no. They are very different applications. The ACR filter is not the same as ACR the program and in ACR the filter there is no DeNoise.

[@drpentecost]

@@f64Academy Ok thanks

[@drpentecost]

@@f64Academy Hi again Blake. I’ve discovered that it can be done. Right click raw image in Lightroom and open as smart object in Photoshop. Double click smart object to open in ACR. Click on gear icon in top right of ACR panel. Go to technology previews and check the box. Shut down Photoshop. Go back to Lightroom and do the same process again. Now you can Denoise your Raw file from Lightroom in ACR and save it back into Lightroom without creating any extra files. It would be great if you could do an updated video to demonstrate this workaround until we get this latest denoise function in Lightroom. Thanks.

[@lilliangrecco]

Oh how I remember this little you years ago!!

[@f64Academy]

Little Matthew, he was the dang cutest baby ever. Ugh, tugs at my heart strings.

[@lilliangrecco]

@@f64Academy 😍

[@donnawetter1513]

How is the mobile app (that is not having AI denoise) handling the non-desctrutive denoise?

[@f64Academy]

I have no idea. In front edit via mobile

[@oldfilmguy9413]

Really good information. Have you tried doing the AI remove object before doing the AI Denoise? I am wondering if that would solve the inconsistency between the overall denoise and the AI generated fill that has the original noise level in it. I haven't upgraded the software yet, so I can't test it myself. Cheers!

[@f64Academy]

I tried last time they updated, it doesn't make much difference. The level of NR you need to do to match the horrible AI resolution, you'd barely have any detail left.

[@oldfilmguy9413]

@@f64Academy Ah, thanks.Obviously they are not just sampling the original for noise then. Very interesting! Cheers!

[@nobody1841]

I need to know how to modify select subject. I liked the old way, which opened a new window where you could add or subtract areas, and expand or contract pixels. What the heck?

[@f64Academy]

That's called select and mask and it's still in there. It's on the properties of a mask.

[@nobody1841]

@@f64Academy I will look again, but on mine only the Generative fill floating toolbar is there. I use it almost daily, and it's not there. Edit - so I had to paint over my silhouettes w a brush. Quite tedious old school.

[@gynhar]

Your ACR is different than mine. No Adaptive Profile in mine. Not in PS or PS Beta.

[@f64Academy]

You may be using ACR as a filter. That's not ACR the program. Open a raw file directly into PS and you should have it.

[@gynhar]

@@f64Academy Got it ....thanks.

[@kenfournelle5517]

Blake. This was excellent and very helpful. Could you comment on the other settings such as: Adobe Landscape, Adobe Portrait, Adobe Standard 2, Adobe Vivid, and the Browse feature? Is the Browse just LUT settings? And the other options; how should one use those? Similar to the workflow you demonstrated?

[@f64Academy]

Those are the profiles that have been there all along. They just change the nature of the image through a script of ones and zeroes applied to the tones and colors in your image but they don't take image content into account like the Adaptive Profile is supposed to. Here's a video on LUT profiles: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnjCZ55npN-no9U

[@dwightbroemanphotosandart]

Thanks Blake! Appreciate the review. Do you think this Adaptive Beta profile could be used in place of a linear profile that flattens out the curve? I like taking flat images into PS and building up the balance and contrast via specific tonal values for light and color. Thanks again!

[@f64Academy]

I didn't think so at this juncture. But I haven't experimented with it enough. Good thoughts though.

[@unitheorist]

I have succeeded in getting the adobe adaptive profile to work. But ACR does not retain the profile setting after the program has been closed and reopened. Does this happen to you? I wonder why it was set up this way? Also it doesn't seem to work in monochrome mode, only with color images. Mike

[@f64Academy]

interesting. I'll look into it.

[@MONTY-YTNOM]

Dont get that embedded denoise at all, What file types do that work on ?

[@f64Academy]

Did you change the settings? You have to enable it in the ACR settings then restart PS

[@stevez6157]

After performing denoise in ACR, there seems to be a rather large side car file created with the extension .acr.

[@f64Academy]

Mine was 1.13 MB compared to 81 kb. It's not that large IMO. How large did your file get?

[@stevez6157]

@@f64Academy 6.5mb attached to a 19.4MB Olympus raw file.

[@f64Academy]

@@stevez6157 interesting. Well 6 MB is pretty small in comparison to many files these days. It's better than a DNG file that's double the size of the raw file 😁

[@stevez6157]

@@f64Academy So true, but an acr side car file is created regardless of applying denoise or not, so this is new. The acr file size seems to vary with the complexity of the denoising that needs to be done. Very interesting.

[@f64Academy]

@@stevez6157 it should also contain any AI adjustments to include masks. The more AI used the bigger that file will be, is my assumption at this time.

[@neroz322i]

Is it just me, but in the Adaptive example I find some of the green foliage a bit too artificial? I did try on one of my own images and got similar results

[@f64Academy]

It can get pretty colorful rather quickly. I use the color mixer to tame them. Its amplifying everything so you'll get some bad with the good, but its easy to taper down with the color mixer.

[@ChristianDickson-ty5sp]

do you have a masterclass where i can learn?

[@f64Academy]

I do, it's a course called 30 Days to Photoshop Mastery

[@ChristianDickson-ty5sp]

@@f64Academy how can I apply?

[@scomart]

Adaptive profile doesn't show up in my latest upgrade.

[@f64Academy]

You may be using ACR as a filter. That's not ACR the program. Open a raw file directly into PS and you should have it.

[@mordavian]

I get error while opening like many users. Urgent update, Adobe!

[@f64Academy]

Yeah, this really isn't the best forum for Adobe to take action 😁 I'd email their support staff.

[@Ali-gm3nd]

Thank you for the video! I tried resetting Photoshop for the camera raw denoise, It did not update

[@f64Academy]

Make sure you are in ACR the program not ACR the filter.

[@NiazMahmood1977]

Why adaptive profile is not available in Lightroom?

[@f64Academy]

I don't know. I don't use Lightroom.

[@tadeuszcynkowski2197]

I hope it will come to Lightroom, which I prefer in my workflow.

[@f64Academy]

I'm sure it will.

[@soffici1]

I know you’re not Team Adobe and the release of this thing is still very recent, but, based on your experience with Adobe products, do you think they will introduce the Adaptive Profile thing to LR any time soon?

[@f64Academy]

Yes. They've done this before. I feel like this is deja vu from last year with another feature that hit ACR before LR. With how up in arms the people are about it, I'm sure it'll be there soon.

[@MRBuDWiZe]

ive had some success with portraits but most of the time it does what you mention hdr/grunge effect which is horrible for girls

[@f64Academy]

Yep, save the women and children.

[@yoily_weinberger]

What i hate is that I can't open all layers at once in camera raw 😒

[@f64Academy]

There are no layers in ACR so there'd be nothing to open like that. Unless I'm confused about the layers you are talking about.

[@yoily_weinberger]

@f64Academy that's what I am saying. Why can't i have more than one layers on ACR? They should add that ability.

[@f64Academy]

@@yoily_weinberger there are no layers in ACR, there are no layers in Lightroom. Layers are only in Photoshop. No layers are recorded into raw data.

[@alankefauver6187]

Guess Denoise in RAW didn't make it into LrC.

[@donnawetter1513]

In that case, what is LRC doing? Just ignoring it if you did it in ACR?

[@f64Academy]

I have no idea. I'm Blake Rudis 😁 not Adobe.

[@brightboxstudio]

Saying “Denoise in RAW” is not very precise wording. The reality is more nuanced: The new Lightroom Classic 14 does do the first two ACR Denoise items below, and is missing the third one (at least for now). Did Lightroom Classic 13 already do AI Denoise in raw? Yes, and so did ACR 16. Did Lightroom Classic 14 add support of AI Denoise for linear/reduced size raw formats such as mRAW, sRAW, and Apple Raw? Yes. Did Lightroom Classic 14 add Non-Destructive Enhance? No, not even as a Tech Preview. Adobe did say publicly this week that Non-Destructive Enhance is coming to Lightroom Classic, but they did not say when exactly.

[@ChristianDickson-ty5sp]

adobe LRC has an AI denoise feature

[@ryandonovan1454]

@2:52 it's definitely not even close to straight my guy look at the benches at the bottom

[@f64Academy]

Oh gosh, let's look at every nitpicky detail and not care at all about what's being taught... Take it for face value then, "my guy"

[@jonasweiss5817]

Beta forever…

[@f64Academy]

More than likely 🤣 it's the new neural filter 🤣

[@kaziqmaziq6703]

FAKEGRAPHY

[@f64Academy]

Then don't use it 😉

[@kaziqmaziq6703]

@@f64Academy so I do :D I'm waiting for the ability to generate photographs in LR like in TENGR or MIDJOURNEY

[@f64Academy]

@@kaziqmaziq6703 yeah, MJ makes Firefly look like kindergarten art.

[@kaziqmaziq6703]

@@f64Academy I will only pay for LR-FAKESTUDIO. LR segregates photos very well!