Why do people HATE Ultramarines?

[@majorkill]

Matt Ward was right, the answer is obviously that everyone is just so god damn jealous of them.... Crush me with your gauntlet of Ultramar daddy Calgar uwu To crush your own balls go here : www.patreon.com/majorkill

[@ChillAssTurtle]

Ball crushing uwu

[@casbot71]

Just paint your Eldar in blue and gold …

[@nxny_2]

majeurkiell

[@plaugemarine]

Calgar: The codex doesn't support the use of the Gauntlets of Ultramar in that fashion. Roboute Guilliman: It does now!

[@Alex-pj8nz]

Well world bearers fanbois hate the ultra Smurf’s due to ‘reason’.

[@RogueFox2185]

People hate the Ultramarines due to their Chaos God: Matt Ward, giving them such massive amounts of luck that it warps the reality of the universe to help them; basically they are the mirror to the Lamenters when it comes to luck.

[@teal_m_101]

They have Matrix-like batteries harvesting the luck of the Lamenters

[@jackrook8715]

I see you are a veteran of the long war.

[@zeppelincraft1443]

"I don't remember doing anything exceptional!?" "Basically the part where you ripped a Necron pylon off the ground and used it as a weapon."

[@indrickboreale7381]

Blue brings luck

[@hanng1242]

@@indrickboreale7381 Is this why the Blood Angels get the supercharged engines on their tanks, and the Imperial Fists get more hits with their bolters?

[@carter342000]

I think that’s why Captain Titus from Space Marine is so widely liked. He saw the Codex Astartes as more of a guideline, but these beliefs, along with his mysterious anti chaos powers, got him in trouble with some of his brothers and the inquisition. I’m hoping that Space Marine 2 follows this up, showing some tension in the Ultramarines where some cling rigidly to the Codex while others want to reinterpret (or even rewrite) it for the new era. Would make sense since the main enemy seems to be the Tyrannids, and they can include debates between the UM over how to integrate the lessons of Macragge into the codex. Too bad that it’s not Canon with the main lore though. Would love too see SM 2 integrate the series into the main timeline, like they did with the DOW games

[@Алексей545-т6б]

Well... he is a leitenant now

[@muaddoubledips]

Yeah especially since he's a primaris now, meaning Roboute is canonically alive in-game.

[@captaintitusultramarine]

@@Алексей545-т6б Shhhh, not everyone has to know i got demoted.

[@carter342000]

So @@captaintitusultramarine redemption arc, where Calgar dies to swarm lord and/or big bad chaos boi from game 1 in the 1st act, and the rest of the game is hunting them down to avenge them? At the end of the game, everyone expects I, Cato Sicarius, to be appointed by his peers, but before anything is announced Big G appoints Titus instead?

[@brandonvallier4214]

I enjoyed those games but never felt like I was playing as an Ultramarine. They weren't very strategic remove helmets etc. I want a 40k Ultramarine game in the style of Clone Commando with a focus on tactics and strategy.

[@raptorxrise5386]

About the codex astartes being predictable: I love how in the book farsight: crisis of faith the tau fight a chapter of space marines that follow the codex almost completely and farsight writes an entire goddamn book about it and how to beat space marines using these tactics (the mirrorcodex). After that the space marines start losing pretty hard. Its like a perfect show of the shortcomings that space marines can have and the reason why the tau arent actually that easy to wipe out

[@fabiz8602]

this also highlights a fact that's sometimes overlooked in reality. If you don't adapt you're going to have a bad time.

[@RichardStrong86]

Guilliman is already in the process of reforming the Imperium and updating the chapter structure of the Space Marines. He also seems very much open to new approaches. So relying on the uniformity of the Space Marines might not be a great approach for the Tau going forwards. Certainly so if Guilliman turns his attention to them specifically.

[@ADB_UWIM_2807]

Not from orbit they arent

[@tumage8592]

then the unforgiven come along

[@Grabthar191]

@@RichardStrong86 I really kind of like Bobby Blue being more of a pragmatist.

[@LoganSearles]

They just don’t understand that the Ultramarines suffer from Ultra-depression. And it’s really cool that Guilliman goes out of of his way to make sure that his brothers first founding chapters aren’t destroyed.

[@DesignsByVector]

Yeah Wolf time was good for that

[@doomguy9049]

@@DesignsByVector also Devastation of Baal

[@Alex-pj8nz]

In Lore Guilliman is worried that his Legion is getting too much attention than his brother's legion who also deserves their spot light.

[@BrandonL337]

Yeah, hard to hate them when they were the cavalry that saved the blood angels from being double teamed by nids and demons. And blue daddy immediately follows that up by making Dante the second most powerful dude in the imperium.

[@dinosirbone]

I once heard someone call guilliman rowboat girlyman

[@AbadonXXX]

“I like to point out that even though the mortifactors are...an ultramarine chapter...we have severed ties with them and will make it my duty to restore the lamenters.” -guilliman probably

[@alfieingrouille1528]

Maybe they could be secretly of deathguard geneseed rather than ultra marine

[@Kradus]

Emperors spears as well

[@beardfistthegoldenone7273]

They are 100% loyalist world eaters, morbid fascination with skulls..

[@DarthAxolotl]

@@beardfistthegoldenone7273 and drinking blood. Are we sure khorne and sanguinius didn't create them together.

[@jimmysmith2249]

@Angry JayByrd And every time they get knocked down, they stand back up. "I didn't hear no bell." - A Lamenter, probably.

[@SuperSwordoftruth]

I think the ‘Romanisation’ of the models in later editions helped by making them a more distinctive and less bland chapter.

[@jaywebb3607]

The roman look actually makes me want to play them. I love the look.

[@Nostroman_Praetor]

It works for Night Lords since I can just paint them up and say my guys stolw them from x chapter.

[@vudoga6082]

I used to hate them as much as the next guy but Guilliman's resurrection and character development really made me like them more. One of the best lines I've read in a Black Library book was the Devastation of Baal. Guilliman was talking to Dante and he basically shows just how bro tier he is. He tells Dante to essentially lift up the common man because 'How can we possibly hope to tell our people to avoid the evils of the Warp when they are an already living in Hell.' Man that is it, Guilliman gets it, and he truly wants to make the Imperium better. Good shit.

[@MikeSpicyWinner]

My first army was Ultramarines because I was hella new to 40K and didn’t know they had other chapters (colors) lol. I found out they had different chapters but at that point I was too deep in, I had already painted ONE assault intercessor lol there was no going back.

[@ReaLibro]

They were my second army after Orks. But I feel the same. Spent too much time to give up on them.

[@Alex-pj8nz]

That's a pity, the blood angels are good.

[@ReaLibro]

@@Alex-pj8nz maybe to you, but I'm not laying out more money to GW for an army I don't and won't play.

[@MikeSpicyWinner]

@@Alex-pj8nz If I did another chapter I would probably do Blood Angels (Lamenters) because I love charging and melee combat. Carcharodons and Dark Angels are also appealing.

[@MikeSpicyWinner]

@@ReaLibro Yeah I feel that, I do love my Ultramarines though. I liked them even more after learning about how others like to give them flack. Just lean into it lol

[@marceloasensiofilho3833]

For me the problem with the Ultramarines is Overexposure. They are a bit too present and too nonsensically OP. They are a bit too present on the lore and are a bit too OP at many ocasions.

[@alfieingrouille1528]

The other chapters like the ravenguard salamanders ironhands and whitescars need to time to shine the dark angels blood angels and space wolves get lots of love already just give the other loyalist legions the same treatment

[@ErikVonStrix3]

It's this.... but then compounded EXPONENTIALLY during 5th edition when Matt Ward was running the show and gave them 99.8527% of the attention for both the mechanics and the new lore And it's a shame, cuz i did really like Marneus Calgar as a special character (especially his loadout; Powerfists with Bolters mounted to them just hit different) even back when I joined back in 4th edition (with the battle for Macragge set)

[@silverblondguy3]

A point so true, you had to say it twice.

[@Son.D.Lollipop]

Yea but it completely makes sense because that they be the most show. Because there’s by far the most ultramarines than any other chapter and they’re literally the jack of all Trades of thr space marines. They go out of their way to NOT hyper focus on one aspect of war. While att ward definitely did damage especially with his line of thy are the best around an will always be.

[@marceloasensiofilho3833]

@@alfieingrouille1528 Exactly. Iron Hands and White Scars are probably the two most forgotten legions on both traitors and loyalists. I honestly can't remmember a character from any of those 2 legions by head. Even if we had some books/lore for a sucessor chapter of one of those 2 legions it would be great and would sate my wish to see those traits

[@TheAnon03]

I think the Ultramarines started to become the face of Space Marines back in 2e when they seemed to be the default chapter for most PC games.

[@gerardmontgomery280]

Codex Ultramarines probably didn't help either.

[@fullgreys0n738]

You forgot that we had a real Space Marine Codex in the 3e and not a Ultramarine Codex.

[@hanng1242]

I don't know. The 2nd edition Space Wolves were better in every way: +1WS for everybody, BS 5 for Long Fangs, more (and better) characters; sure the Blood Claws had BS 3, but if you were doing a lot of shooting with Blood Claws, you were Space Wolfing wrong anyway.

[@GrumbleGrimbus]

I would argue it would be better if they leaned more into the Roman aspect, like maybe the Senate would be in constant conflict with Calgar, with Cato having the Senate’s backing or something, I think it would make for interesting conflict.

[@bobthebuilder4345]

I see that roman history reference wiht a person call "cato" having the senates backing.

[@tfan2222]

That but also more into the armor as well, Roman style helmets and armor stuff like that

[@spookyghostwriter3110]

Could work if Calgar kicks the bucket and the UM are divided between the Cato and the anyone but Cato factions (assuming the primarch is elsehwere)

[@GrumbleGrimbus]

@@tfan2222 It was always odd to me that Dorn got a lot of Roman stuff, like being named the Praetorian of Terra or his ship being called the Phalanx, when his whole deal was less Roman inspired than Guilliman.

[@the_kovic]

As someone who's first exposure to Warhammer 40k was the Dawn of War 1 videogame, the default Space Marine will always be clad in red armor in my mind.

[@TossMySalad69]

It was my first exposure to 40k as well and easily the one of the best, if not the best, 40k game ever made (expansions included). Blood ravens are my top 3 space marine chapter as their colour scheme is dope.

[@casualthurs3243]

Same. It was Dark crusade for me.

[@Headhunter1234256]

Those somewhat loyal thieving magpie sons of the cyclops are the best space marines!

[@unseencrowyomare4143]

Dark crusade for me to... I did not play marines tough WAAAGH!

[@TheArnold46]

Same here. I will always love the Blood Ravens.

[@godforothchannel4272]

I find it so sad that the Matt Ward Hatred went SO BAD that it is the reason why GW don’t credit specific author for the Army Books/ Codexes anymore….

[@GothPaoki]

The only sad here is the incompetence they showed with giving that clown so much creative freedom

[@chromasus9983]

@@GothPaoki It's alright to dislike someone's work. It isn't alright to harass them for that, regardless of grievances.

[@GothPaoki]

@@chromasus9983 i completely agree with that sentiment. Harrasment is bad. However hating that is mentioned in the first comment is ok.

[@godforothchannel4272]

@@chromasus9983 well said…

[@snarkymcsnarkface1863]

Well if GW hired editors with brains... they would have avoided the whole thing.

[@hacksawer69]

Ultramarines are pretty much the missionary position of space marines. I feel like thats why a lot of people dislike them

[@adamm2091]

Great for a first timer, boring and worn out for someone with experience

[@gerardmontgomery280]

To continue that analogy: Space Wolves = Doggie style Imperial Fists = Fisting Crimson Fists = Fisting (no lube) Iron Hands = Toys only Black Templars = That one goodie two shoes religious person who randomly turns into a total freak but also kinda scares you now.

[@MusMasi]

@@gerardmontgomery280 salamanders branding irons White scars, cutting and sex on bikes/in vehicles. Blood Angels Vampire cosplay weirdos. Raven Guard sneaky sex

[@hacksawer69]

@@MusMasi raven guard = surprise butt sex

[@mortthepirate6318]

Considering Space Marines are the missionary position of 40k, that's says a lot

[@vontheunknown7982]

That all changed when we got dawn of War with the Blood raven's and finding out they are different chapters.

[@7ElevenTruther]

More like these blood ravens are so good at their signature craft that they managed to steal the Ultramarine's plot armor lol.

[@MusMasi]

@@7ElevenTruther blood ravens are a chapter based off of Australians, convict chapter and good at nicking things.

[@Rytonic69]

Ultramarines: Lord Guilliman! We've followed your teaching in the Codex Astartes perfectly! Guilliman: ...Isn't that book like 10,000 years old?

[@DesignsByVector]

For me I liked them again when gullimen returned. And the Cato Sicraruis book where he's trapped on an medieval world was also another turning point.

[@toepringles1388]

What’s the book called

[@ono1381]

@@toepringles1388 knights of Macragge, literally just finished it

[@imthegoat94]

@@toepringles1388 wtf are toe pringles?

[@gerardmontgomery280]

I've come full circle. I started with Ultramarines in 2nd edition, grew to hate them like everyone else and now have started to appreciate them again.

[@McCool117]

I think it would be cool to have box art with different major space marine chapters, instead of just the Ultramarines. That would diversify what beginner players see as well, making it more likely for beginners to start as something other than Ultramarines.

[@konradtarasek5514]

But diffrent colors hurt me eyes

[@jarradbanigan6354]

Majorkill: build a bridge and get over it Dorn: I am the best bridge architect in the galaxy. I accept this challenge Major

[@theonebeing981]

One of the big moments for me that made the Ultras sound cool, was the story about the dehumanizing effects of the Rubicon and the conflicts, moral and emotional, that it caused a previously firstborn squad of Ultramarines.

[@alexr.5389]

During the Horus Heresy, the Ultramarines painted their helmets red as a sign of shame, a mark that told others and commanders that they were not conforming. Aeonid Theil, Sergeant of the 135th Company. Marked for censure prior to the Defense of Calth for running theoretical scenarios on fighting Space Marines. Was later honored for heroics during the battle by having the Red Helmet of Censure he wore become the symbol of Sergeant rank. They had awesome characters, but eventually it seemed like there was only Guilliman.

[@onemisterfranko]

I like Urial ventris and Titus from the games, Guliman is fun to read as he tries to save everything and I feel for him, I like the idea that by putting on the brave face the ultra marines are in fact hurting but can't show it or feel like they can't show it and guliman represents it well.

[@tylerdunlap1307]

Honestly I was worried about the new stuff after reading “Dark Imperium”. But have started the Dawn of Fire novels, and realized that it was just a rare miss for Guy Haley.

[@ViolentShrike]

I just didn’t like how many named characters with minis the ultramarines had. Compared to other chapters who had one or two, and a lot of them were cool but I couldn’t use them in my chapter so I was just jealous lol. For reference I got into the hobby in 3rd edition and played raven guard, we didn’t even have shrike yet for a few years

[@canadianbigmac3501]

Hate us cause they ain’t us

[@calebcook5928]

I am an ultramarines player and they’ve been my favorite chapter sense I started playing. (I read dark imperium before I bought my first model) and although it isn’t something that typically gets under my skin the hate for the boys in blue is starting to get old at least to me. Sad to say it’s starting to get to the point I don’t like talking or using the faction in game because of how many times I hear “of the fucking blueberry is playing” or something like that.

[@rockstar450]

The truth is they aren’t actually overexposed like Eldar. This is why people love to take jabs, it’s a rarity. I’ve never faced a UM personally

[@sirbaconbuster]

As a Tau player, I feel your pain.

[@DARmanbuttermilk1136]

Agreed man. I got into the hobby in March, and the amount of "rObOt GiRlYmAn hardy harr harr" gets old. Like haha yeah its a funny name, I thought his name was Robert Guilliman when I started. I thought "Roboute" was odd. But I genuinely like the chapter, Roman influences and blue and gold are sick. And if I hear "the smurfs?!" when I'm playing I dismiss the person since I wouldn't talk down on a project that they spent time building and painting and learning, especially if it's the first words out of their mouths to me. Jokes between buddies are fine, "Robot Girlyman" said the Blood Angels player. "Sanguinius". Right? But if some weirdo comes up while I'm just watching my models I made do stuff and they talk down on something I did, they can go pound sand. Yeah, i like the Ultramarines. Blue is a cool color.

[@apolloknight9521]

@@sirbaconbuster agreed.

[@xaga8794]

Well. Give it a few years. Then the smurf's will surely not longer be smurf's

[@AustinFoss00]

Ultrmarines were the first army I collected before Sisters of Battle, Dark Krakens and Guardsmen. I actually love the Ultramarines and Guilliman's revival just made me love them more lol. I definitely get why people didn't like them, but idk, I was always drawn to them. Seeing them own their try hard status actually did make me like them more too. Tho, lately, I've been really into Dark Krakens

[@Son.D.Lollipop]

I got into 40k deeply between 2018-2019. At first with basic to little knowledge of all the chapters thr blue boys were by far my favorite. Now in 2022 and being deeply invest into the lore and read over 30 40k novels thr blue boys are still my favorite. Yea there’s a lot of bad writting but their still the ONLY chapter that’s senseable to actual warfare and logical with how the universe is I 40k

[@drdiscostu]

Get f-ed from a white scar fan. We'll decimate supply lines, take minimal casualties while you overplan some nonsense 😘

[@TheProteanGeek]

When I started I was asked what colour is my favourite. At the time it was Red. So then as I painted my first marine I was told all about the Blood Angels. They became my Space Marine chapter of choice quite quickly. I became more a Chaos player rather quickly though. Coming back to the game now I'm back with the boys in Red though.

[@gudboah4688]

While they aren’t my favorite chapter, I do like the ultramarines. They’re basically space Romans, and Gulliman is an interesting character. The problem is how their aesthetics are basically bleeding into the modern space marine figures. Most primaris look fine, but some kind of look too Roman (primaris captain comes to mind). Thankfully GW have released more transfer kits that give other chapters some love.

[@DaemonetteBait]

Amazingly the first time I had a match against Ultramarines was someone who painted their Tau in Ultramarine style. He, of course, called them things such as "ultra suits" and "Ultra warriors". Though the wonder of "ultrafinders" is probably my favourite.

[@Asura-fw6ei]

My favorite theory is that the Orks believe the color blue is super lucky. So the Smurfs are just OP because of that. Also the fact Rob is actually balding from the stress of trying to put out the dumpster fire that is the modern Imperium. And the fact he has a few mortal friends makes him engaging.

[@lorenzomacchiavello3701]

And Don't forget when Matt basically insulted the Space Wolf, The Blood Angels and the Dark Angels.

[@KhaosAdmiral]

Or when he did the whole Grey Knights killed several Sisters of Battle to withstand this thing called the Bloodtide.

[@300SonsofOdin]

I mean, I really liked the blue boys even in the early days. Since the primaris, I like them even more. Just finished a Bladeguard Veteran the other day.

[@lafireteamplx3400]

Cool 😎

[@OrkWarbossThrakka]

One of the best ways for GW to satiate this is to add colour schemes on their websites models. If you pick a main chapter, it should show one of the standard Spacemarine models in that paint scheme. That way new people in the hobby can be comfortable purchasing them if they don’t want Ultras everywhere.

[@charion1234]

I used to but now as stated in the video it's changed a bit. Cato Sicarius actually has depth now, Marneus Calgar actually reflects on his actions. I did like a few ultramarines in other novels, just not the big named ones.

[@patrickbovard2054]

I have to say nice things about the Ultrasmurfs because it was seeing a display of ultramarine minis at the mall that introduced me to 40k 14 years ago.

[@MrUzzynator]

I love Ultramarines. Organised, analytical and a highly strategic Roman faction. Brain/brawn at the cost of lack of specialisation. Plus their colour scheme is brillaint, and Cpt Titus from W40K Space Marine 👌🏽 That said, other chapters should be promoted, I only learnt of my favourite chapter Raven Guard due to the Kill Team cover.

[@theslayerssanctum5534]

"Just build a bridge and get over it" Imperial Fist & Iron Warrior players: happy construction noises

[@yusifverdiyev7730]

No matter what people say, Gulliman is the best primarch, and the ultramarines are my favorite.

[@donquixote2072]

The Ultramarines aren't my favorite but I still feel like he's the best, if only because of his masterful statesmanship and diplomacy. It takes more than being a great warrior to run a galaxy spanning empire.

[@mockcosine4479]

Honestly I was going to go for Blood Angles as my chapter because I like the vampire aesthetic from them. until I looked into the lore of Gulliman that's when I went full Untramarine.

[@freddymcshreddy6586]

Matt Ward: Calgar is the best chapter master and every other chapter wishes they had him. Me: I think that blood angels and space wolves are pretty happy with theirs. Calgar is a great chapter master by all means but Logan is just 110% pure badassery and Dante will always be THE Chapter Master in my eyes.

[@MasterFreaks1]

For me it’s because every space marine kit has ONLY Ultramarines decals

[@alfieingrouille1528]

I hate that they dont have more transfers for other chapters

[@repthe21st66]

As an Ultramarines player I still 'Bruh' at that every time like goddamn GW. Make it easier for people to paint other chapters

[@kulrigalestout]

When I first started 40K, I wanted to play Ultramarines because I loved the color scheme. Then I discovered two things; people held the smurfs in the same vitriolic contempt they held Smurf players in, and Space Wolves were literally vikings in space. The Wolves were a joy to paint and fun to read about, but I only lost two games with them over as many years. For context, I played three games almost every week. It got kinda depressing showing up to the club, knowing with certainty that I would table the enemy or induce rage quits. I think if I had stuck with the Ultramarines idea, I would have had a much more interesting W/L ratio due to having fewer options to carve through everything in melee.

[@fellowsoliderofchrist2263]

I’m starting a new Ultramarine meme that fits way more they’re Ultra-accountants. The idea is that with Guiliman wanting his sons to be effective governors and high end politicians that the ultra boys probably get stiff upon seeing a stack of paperwork.

[@SpaceUndies]

We love the Ultra-nerds

[@pheonixshaman]

I mean, who doesn't get a stiffy thinking about a complex problem (like logistics) and finding as simple as possible solution to it. Logistics and planning make the world work, baby

[@Алексей545-т6б]

In fact this set of skils realy make them most usefull space marines in great "Imperium" scale of things. As recent lore show us(after Great Rift open) its not enough to win in one battle - you need to achive victory in war and for this you need to be a great ruler(you need an army of effective governors so your army's would be massive and well suppley, so your citizens live +\- good lvl of life which protect planet from danger of uprising, etc) . Guiliman was able to save Imperium twice in most darkest situation, not because he could kick some nasty ass, but because he is a God lvl politic and ruler (empiere builder)

[@MrUzzynator]

That's what I love about them. They are tools of war, but are effective in fields outside of it, pursuing transferrable skills so that they have a purpose other than war. Thats badass. A lethal, analytical, highly strategic and organised fighter on the field and off of it.

[@nielsmichiels1939]

_"My emperor........did you actualy get the chance to fill out form 55b honourable battlebrother?"_ _"-Yes honourable battlebrother, soon we will ALL GET NEW STAMPS!"_ (Ultra cheering an joyfullness)

[@gwiber]

Roboute MADE the book as a suggestion way to act, but there was a statement by him to take your own paths if it becomes necessary. All that was in a Horus Heresy story. Been a couple years since that was printed.

[@codybuchanan6466]

i used to hate guliiman and the ultras until he came back, especially after how he treated Dante, thats what really gave me some respect for him

[@timunderbakke8756]

Good history lesson for those of us who are newer. I just got in with 9th. I was aware enough that there were multiple chapters so I did my homework waiting for Indomitus to arrive and settled in on Black Templars because the eternal crusade. Never did I really consider ultramarines because they’re boring to me when they’re plastered everywhere

[@smolwavingsnail9028]

They hate them because its cool to hate them. Like people "hate" nickleback but hum it under their breath when it comes on the radio

[@lachlanmacrae1779]

When I was about to start warhammer and was choosing my chapter I wanted to be Ultramarines, not because they were on every box, but because my only previous experience with warhammer was my memories of being 7 and watching my dad play Space Marine and thinking that the big guy in blue armour he was playing as was cool. I eventually started looking into the lore of other chapters and enjoyed the Salamanders more, settling on them instead.

[@axdntprn]

I always found it a little weird that the other surviving primarchs didnt force guilliman to accept some revision like an astartes amendment/auxilia codex that would provide the flexibility and flavor of the individual legions to live on in the chapters. So you could be "codex ravenguard amendment compliant" or "codex spacewolves Russ amendment compliant"

[@Watcher-in-the-Dark]

Russ did kind of do a Amendment, for his own Legion/Chapter. As for the others, books aren't their Strongsuit honestly.

[@Korija2029]

Space wolves dont need any more words on their toilet paper.

[@NemFX]

I'd make the argument that it was the Uriel Ventris saga that redeemed the Ultramarines. You had a story arc where he's wildly successful BECAUSE he flips off the codex. They jail him, and he's given advice by a veteran to get taken to a place on Macragge literally designed FOR executions. Metal. There, he's basically like "yeah, either you let me keep doing this, or use that power sword that's always been on your model but is never used." And Marneus exiles him and his second in command. They go have some adventures, come back to Macragge as heroes, and Guilliman himself is like "hey dude, you don't have to apologise to me for anything, you did more than Cato has, in less time"

[@niksterkai4303]

Make Titus cannon, scrap Calgar, give Uriel Ventris more stuff to do, make Guilliman more hardcore, reap the money.

[@joautrillaochoa5244]

good news brother, Titus has become cannon.

[@Hafer_]

Titus is already canon, has been for a while.

[@darko-man8549]

yes, have more UM getting sanctioned :'D

[@Dariokan]

Scrap Calgar? He's awesome. Read the Marvel comic book about him.

[@chromasus9983]

@@Dariokan He's also had big fists with guns on them before it became mainstream.

[@lonestar6709]

Avatar of Khaine: _"Blood! For the blood god!"_ Marneus Calgar: *_Falcon Punch_* _"You were saying?"_ I'm an Ultra's main, and even I winced at how hysterically overpowered we had become!

[@Eliwood29]

Do Chaos have a similar situation where 1 legion gets all the love? I feel like I hear a lot more about the Death guard than anyone else.

[@johnquach8821]

Black Legion for a long time.

[@alexanderjohnson6178]

Yeah don’t expect to ever get anything on the night lords Iron warriors Alpha legion thousand sons word bearers world eaters and emperors children pretty much everyone who isn’t a death guard or black legion marine

[@licensed_beheader]

Probably coz death guard are more active spreading the gifts of decay, while the rest excluding sons of horus are mostly just slobbering around the eye of terror killing each other and insulting the emperor and loyalists .

[@rafaelcarrera9436]

This video threw me for a loop. I am not on any 40k forums so I dont read much fan posts other than what I see on this channel or Baldermorts, so I had no idea so many disliked them. My favorite primarch being Guilliman, my favorite first founding chapter being the Ultras, and my favorite successor chapter being in their line too: Silver Templars. To me the majority of what I love about 40k is the lore around Guilliman and everyone in his lineage.

[@casbot71]

Matt Ward has a great future in Australian politics…

[@notani3533]

The problem with Matt Ward isn't the fact that he did it, it's the fact that he's allowed to do it obviously under supervision. Let's not forget that he's not a veteran in the Warhammer gaming rules or lore, but he got a free reign in that field. He also creates Castellan Crowe and Trazyn the Infinite, and even the Necron World Engine idea. His last involvement is in BFG 2 and Vermintide 2, his latest novel which is not related to GW also got a good reception.

[@jesusojeda7850]

It doesn't help that every freaking videogame they release is about the ultramarines.

[@Djnomad912]

What about Dawn of War

[@josephcaouette]

As a new fan of 40k and an ultramarine player this pretty much sums it up. I got my first spacemarine getting started pack and painted them like they were on the box. Then when I went back and I was told that different colors of paint ment different things but blue ment space Romans, and I thought that was pretty cool so I bought the Roboute guillaman model and the first dark imperium book and well as a newer fan the ultramarines are pretty damn cool 😎

[@MiguelSanchezDelVillar]

I painted my initial army as Ultramarines because i didnt knew how i wanted to play and i was told that they were a Jack of all trades, now i think that i would have painted them either Salamanders or Black Templars

[@azmiraclegirl441]

Leave them in green stuff for a month and repaint!

[@thomasmatarazzo198]

I would assume they always paint Ultramarines is because blue is such a easy color to paint with. Goes on easy , smooth , and blends incredibly well

[@forspartaaa2348]

Matt ward is the George vandire of the 40k fandom

[@Wereyoi]

"Build a bridge and get the fuck over it." ...using that one from now on.

[@xxchaos315xx6]

I never hated the ultramarines but I was indifferent to them. They didn't really pique my interest. Then I read Know No Fear. Thats my favorite book from the heresy series. Made me look at them on a whole different way. I'm still a die hard blood angels guy but that was a really awesome book and painted the ultramarines in a whole different light for me.

[@Golmov_the_Wretched]

I am old enough to remember the travesty that was the very first Ultramarine codex in 2nd edition, written by Matt Ward (who deserves his own special place in hell). It was this cidex that established 1) The Ultramarines are what other chapters aspire to be. 2) RG is everyone's spiritual leige... including the sons of other primarchs. 3) The Ultramarines have 500 worlds where every other chapter gets 1. 4) Over half of all space marines are descendants of the Ultramarines. 5) The Ultramarines were by far the most successful legion in the great crusade. 6) They had the best strategist in the game..... 7) .... as well as the best psyker. Basically Matt Ward blew his load and we never forgave him for it.

[@forspartaaa2348]

My friend is a tau player and he used to get depressed bcoz nobody played with him here and yeah he used to get bullied alot but nowadays he doesn't care and bought even more tau models to play with and i mean now there was a night lords player who told him to go f@@k off but he just slapped him and told him to play which he did i mean he even cried there and i was just thinking that people take this fictional world too seriously don't they to straight up Bully and everything

[@lol2693]

Thank you for shouting out the tyranid famine, i love my space bugs and yet never get anything cool coming out lore or figure wise.

[@keithmoore7629]

I agree The reason people hate ultramarines is pure over exposure by GW there are other chapters out there other than ultramarines

[@OmenLamb]

I love them.

[@keithmoore7629]

@@OmenLamb that’s fine mate, you do you, all I’m saying is I can see why people dislike the ultramarines, if you like them then you like them and it’s your prerogative to do so

[@OmenLamb]

@@keithmoore7629 Are you part of the people who dislike them or you just don't mind them?

[@keithmoore7629]

@@OmenLamb I don’t mind them but can see the reason people don’t like them

[@NykSharrowkyn]

Uriel Ventris' lore is fucking great. I painted my Ultras in 4th company green.

[@codysing1223]

Ultramarines are somehow the "best" most well rounded and numerous of the legions. So there are many more Ultramarines per Astartes of any other legion. They are also the greatest, the best, and even got their dad back.

[@MusMasi]

*yawn*

[@stevewarren9316]

Go away Matt Ward

[@andrewharper1609]

Incidentally as the person who suggested bringing back Guilliman (and who still calls him Robot Girlyman because I'm an Ork) I know from my 22year involvement with the hobby what you're talking about. It was like having a benign religion taken over by fundamentalists. I also brought about the War of the Beast to help bring balance to the force. I also invented the concepts of Primaris and Centurions but the maxim I worked to was without the bad guys there is no game so hence force moons and gravity whips.

[@mistertaz94]

As a Necrons player I understand your issue as an Eldar player during the age of Space Marine releases only

[@joshualipski-oliver608]

Have to say that the turning point for me with the Ultramarines was the heresy novel "Know no fear" completely changed my perspective and Aoenid Thiel remains one of my all time favourite space marines

[@thewizard7780]

For me it's just the fact that it seems the ultramarines get all the focus. There's no other space marine chapter out there getting their share of the spotlight. There's hundreds of chapters out there that are far more interesting than just a bunch of guys in blue armor who keep rolling nat 20's because Matt Ward says so. I like the faction, I like their primarch, but I despise the way they're written.

[@samueltrusik3251]

As a Tyranid fan, I want a major development for my space locusts.

[@thedyingmeme6]

What, you want them to eat more??? (/j, /lh)

[@samueltrusik3251]

@@thedyingmeme6 *chewing intensifies*

[@gavinziozios1431]

Well, this little exchange made me chuckle

[@samueltrusik3251]

@@gavinziozios1431 thank you Khorne boi.

[@scottag3597]

The reason I think the Ultramarines are actually really awesome is because of the youtuber Baldermort. His dedicated video to them is brilliant and made me think very highly of them.

[@RobouteGuilliman-M41]

I couldn't care less about their exposure. I love the Ultramarines. I was never much exposed to them. In fact, my first Astartes exposure was to the Retributors. Once I dove into the lore (which I have done on a daily basis, for the last 3 years), I saw and explored many chapters, and all the legions. I just gravitated to the Ultramarines, and to Roboute Guilliman. Yes, I like others, but they're my perennial favorite.

[@MusMasi]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣ok rowboat i am sure you are not biased in anyway.

[@antonioj700]

@@MusMasi says the biased hater with to much time to complain.

[@OmenLamb]

You're not alone they are my favorites too.

[@RobouteGuilliman-M41]

@@OmenLamb another chapter I instantly fell in love with is the Lamenters. And the Thousand Sons. After learning the truth about Angron, he became on of my favorite Primarchs, though I'm not a World Eaters guy.

[@OmenLamb]

@@RobouteGuilliman-M41 I think it's cool to like individual characters from each chapter without really loving the chapter as a whole. I'm not a World Eaters guy as well but Khârn the Betrayer is one of my favorite marines. I bet you're excited as I am for Space Marine 2, there's a ton of characters I'm hoping are gonna show up, mentioned or easter egged in. The Black Templars are another chapter I've been gravitating towards lately and the Sisters of Battle who aren't Space Marines but I'm starting to fall in love with the faction.

[@Resync2112]

Bring back the Crimson Fists as the 40k poster boys!

[@davegibiko8533]

The legion has too much media exposure as a result other loyalist chapters(which has a lot more interesting going on) are overshadowed.

[@arthurcorbier3870]

well they are the poster boys, so this is sadly not going to change anytime soon

[@EnslaveTheWorld]

You're not wrong about new people just painting the box art, if they haven't done any research. Way back in 2nd edition, the Night Lords were pretty much the Chaos poster boys, and because they were on the cover, that's what I thought the miniatures was supposed to look like.

[@brandonvallier4214]

Ultramarine are actually my favorite in the horus heresy and in general due to their true use of strategy and tactics like a legit military force. Sadly whenever they are in games especially the Spacemarine game they have no strategy other then remove helmet and swing sword. I would love a squad based fps game where the gameplay is much more about tactics and proper use of Intel rather then blam blam. Like a 40k version of the old Clone Commando game.

[@MorgorDre]

Not an other Squad Game please…

[@Davernn]

I just got my first starter set that contained a trio of blueberries, and I painted 2 of em as some random black-and-gold primaris because I didn't like how the first ultra looked. The custom marines look so damn better

[@awesomehpt8938]

People don’t hate the ultramarines. They hate Matt ward

[@michael3088]

both

[@fumarc4501]

I would enjoy a series where I can read about daily life on famous Imperial controlled worlds. Ultramar would be up there, along with Nocturne and Valhalla.

[@Moonwake534]

I’ve always like Ultramarines. I painted them as my first minis a year ago and wanted to play them but I legit sort of got unofficially bullied out from playing them because of the community back lash toward them as a chapter. But if anything that gave me the chance to explore and not be complacent with what was on the box and how I found that there even WERE other chapters. I wanted to play raven guard for a while, the blood angels, until finally choosing dark angels

[@tiagolevipacheco]

Puff.... I love Ultramarines... By far my favorite Chapter. The more ultra the better!

[@jokerswild469]

Pretty new fan, I don’t hate ultra marines they’re cool I just wish they weren’t the only marines I see in official art and stories 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@FIRSTNAMELASTNAME-zt4kf]

HEY NOW YOUR GETTING IT! WELCOME TO THE CLUB!

[@ChaplainHaladriel]

Betrayal at Calth....awesome novel and kinda resurrected them in my mind.

[@ДмитроДорофеєв]

One of the reasons people hate the Ultramarines is because people tend to linger on serious issues associated with anything even if the issue has long been solved, which ironically makes the situation worse since they refuse to keep to their initial thoughts. I mean, for example, the hate for the Tau is mostly overblown so much that it distorts the actual army both in-game and in the lore, ok the lore part is a bit of a stretch, Tau lore is pretty bland and boring besides the Farsight Enclaves, and even then it's like been 3 years since there was a good story about them, but still people just don't want to change and keep pushing an old narrative which is mostly not true.

[@Raist474]

Now do the Grey Knights. The one chapter of sues that makes the Wardian Smurfs look mundane.

[@pilot5655]

Red is a cooler color than blue thats why

[@usonumabeach300]

Lies!

[@garpogods8323]

The biggest factor for me is the transfer sheet for the model decals being nothing but Ultramarines. It's an easy fix and the Chaos Marines don't have that issue of only Black Legion transfers.

[@solvdrage1456]

Gulliman's rage in Know No Fear was fucking amazing

[@Tas_Ydrokolios]

Me: What is your favourite Space Marine chapter My friend: The Ultr... Me: WRONG!!!! This happened a couple of years ago but I still somewhat stand by what I said

[@absolsama]

I dont hate dem i just think the thousand suns better

[@bobthebuilder4345]

*hoover noises*

[@absolsama]

@@bobthebuilder4345 what?

[@niadh5913]

I got my eldest art orientated duaghter into wh40k mini painting with smurfs. I have been doing Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Saim Hann, Grey Knights and Harlequins over the past 35 years. Admittedly if i had stuxk to just one army i could have an entire chapter by now.

[@jackperry4203]

I love my Ultras! I love the Roman feel - the fact that they aren't "special" (space vampire, or space werewolf etc) and I do love seeing them on everything - HOWEVER.... i also understand the hate at seeing all the blue. I do wish GW would maybe use other chapters for box art on occasion. I also think it didnt hurt that the Ultras got some REALLY good horus heresy books - and even the dark imperium books - as far as modern fluff goes it helps explain them better than codex fluff.

[@MrUzzynator]

Agreed on the marketing. Only learnt of my fav chapter Raven Guard due to the Kill Team cover.

[@MrUzzynator]

The lack of a quirk or dark past makes them a no nonsense faction I agree, with each Marine a philosopher, administrator or politician

[@Lightman0359]

I'm surprised that of the 3 players I split 3e boxes with, none of them went blue. 2 did Dark Angels [though one shifted to Sisters of Battle] and the other did Blood Angels. It may have been because of those 2 chapters actually having unique units [and the sons of the Lion having that cheaty 5pt "Stubborn" rule, stupid Stubborn Deathwing, still salty about that 20 years later...]. I was just talking with my roommate the other day about how chapters other than the Ultramarines used to get cover art.

[@StSpongeTube]

"Those things are probably worth a lot now" "Yes, but only because GW over prices them initially."