Why the Night Lords are the Best Traitor Legion | Warhammer 40k Lore

[@majorkill]

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[@doubledeputyd4242]

Don't talk bad about my father, only we can do that.

[@darklordmalthric9814]

You should cover the rogue trader era

[@dominykasseibutis6297]

Make video on lucius the eternal and all these space marines chapters flame falcons raptors silver skulls storm giants Mantis warriors Noise marines Sons of malice Sons of antaeus Also make a videos about the machine god omnissiah beastmans in 40k ollanius pius Soul forge Daemon engines Warp smiths and dark mechanicum

[@brokeandtired]

Maximum damage...minimal losses. They are a finite resource and use it well.

[@ZetatheSixth]

Talk about Sevatar damn you!

[@Grimpo96]

Never understood why my partner was a fan of the torture boys, then I purchased a few audiobooks. I came across a Night Lord torturer who was captured by the Blood Angels during the heresy. He was psychically talking to a little girl who was one of the choir psykers. Some time later, he escapes, comes across her pod and notices she’s been crippled. He asks who did that to her, she eventually told him, and he proceeded to enact justice on the priest. Then “quietly” went back to his cell. I’m now a fan of that Night Lord.

[@necrosis7525]

Which book is this? This sounds really interesting

[@Grimpo96]

@@necrosis7525 Horus Heresy Volume 2, The Long Night by Aaron Dembski-Bowden

[@sevatar5762]

That would be Sevatar!

[@evanf.4801]

Sevatar is an absolute gigachad, and a criminally underrated character

[@timberknuckle8281]

@@evanf.4801 Sevatar for President!

[@tybaltmarr2158]

The night lords aren’t just about fear. They’re about exploiting weakness. All marines do this but the night lords do it better than anyone else. They’re never there when you want to fight them, and they’re always right where you don’t want them to be.

[@KnightofLondor]

This

[@Valivali94]

Idk if better than anyone else, the Alpha Legion does it differently but still at least on par with the emo bois imo.

[@johnross8667]

Batman

[@ThePathStrider]

I remember reading a book about a lone Night Lord that ended up on a hive world. Chaos tried to tempt him, but he wouldn't have it, believing that fear was the weapon, not the goal. When another Night Lord band turned up, he rejected them for their corruption. Does anyone know the name of the book, and if there was a sequel? He had an ex-Inquisition psyker lady, with one arm missing, as his new companion.

[@calebkalangeg530]

@@ThePathStrider The Lord of the Night. You were talking about my boy Zso Sahaal, Talonmaster of the Night Lords and Captain of the Raptors.

[@RogueFox2185]

If more of the Chaos Legions took after the Iron Warriors, Alpha Legion and Night Lords in terms of their tactics, the Imperium would probably have a much harder time trying to contain the spread of Chaos.

[@PumpkinHoard]

Yeah, well. The clue is in the name. Chaos. They are chaotic. Those that have standardized combat doctrines, "sane" tactics and such are always going to be outliers in a faction literally named "Chaos."

[@codysing1223]

-Be Iron warriors. -Your Team and Bros go insane. -Hard Carried the Siege of Terra.

[@macshadow1150]

@@codysing1223 Perturabo had literall headache while dealing with his corrupted brothers. Honestly, there is high chance that Horus and company would not even reach Terra if not for Lord of Iron

[@edim108]

@@codysing1223 I'm surprised Perturabo and his sons didn't end up with hunched backs with how much they carried the traitor legions...

[@humanity600]

@@PumpkinHoard that logic is pretty shit as we could go on to say that the fact that they have ranks is also not Chaos-like. Chaos doesn't have to automatically mean "can't organise yourself" (e.g: they literally have ranks of authority as I said).

[@knightoftherealm9660]

In the Crusade Horus Heresy Black book, during the Thramas Crusade a large section of the night lords had split into multiple war bands. Some of which were trying to plunge Konrad into madness, while those like Sevatar were desperately trying to keep their primarch sane. So that’s another reason to love Sevatar for hard carrying his legion.

[@tougaardable]

0000

[@Pragabond]

Why the hell did they WANT Konrad crazy? Did they just think the night haunter side was doper so fuck this "justice" side?

[@scottdixon2505]

My favourite chaos marines are the ones who rejected chaos because they genuinely hated the imperium, and not just because chaos told them too.

[@christiandauz3742]

Uh, Krieg Archebus is a Daemon Prince yet his Warband is the larges Painted Count is a senior leader in the modern Night Lords

[@BadGladeCrazy]

@@christiandauz3742 It's less they obey the will of chaos and more many leaders have been corrupted overtime and they're not ones to overthrow already placed authority. All the shit they put up with for Cruz is proof of that.

[@christiandauz3742]

@@BadGladeCrazy Uh, Krieg has the largest warband Painted Count orders them Even Talos' warband is corrupt

[@blankeon6613]

Ehh pretty sure the Iron Warriors and Word Bearers also disliked the Imperium before Chaos told them so. But yeah the Night Lords are awesome.

[@calebkalangeg530]

@@christiandauz3742 my boi Zso Sahaal will come back one day and tear Acerbus a new asss. AVE DOMINUS NOX!

[@419dubbs]

Imperium: "You raped, set people on fire and crucified children this is what we call war crimes." Night Lords: "Really? We call this Wednesday."

[@dustinnabil798]

"As if you're any different"

[@MrFallenone]

"You exercise exterminatus every time things get hard for you"

[@Paragon231]

But for me, it was tuesday.

[@Marth667]

"War crimes are for the losers, you are never convicted for your senseless destruction and bloodshed. I kill a few thousand in the most deplorable ways to save billions, you kill hundreds of millions in nuclear fire to lay claim over the ruins and then think yourself as righteous."

[@jonathanathor117]

The imperium existence is a war crime by itself. I wonder if there are any human factions that exist outside the imperium. I mean the interex, diasporex and serverand dominate existed but I think they all died out.

[@J.H.Lee_]

A legion with a mixture of both serious and hilarious element for sure. I lauged my ass off when i read a part where they hid behind Black legion terminators for cover in the midst of battle with no shame at all

[@MrFallenone]

Honor is for knights and fools ... You can die with honor but a Night Lord would rather live to fight another day.

[@ReverendPONT]

Yeah that part was great. And when Huron turned around to try and give them the hey we can do it together pep talk they had already bounced to commence stealing the Echo back. This sums up the NL really well.

[@BR-bn1mz]

In 30k the ability Nostromen Blood literally lets them fall back 1” inch further lmao

[@jakehughes6087]

The crimson corsairs. Yeah it was really funny hiding behind them and the terminators could hear them laughing behind their back which became better when Huron turned around to have a go they stole one of their original ships back and then their cruiser which their captain on who was possessed nicked his body back from the demon and destroyed a whole squadron of cruisers and destroyers in a yolo just to troll his demon.

[@BR-bn1mz]

@@jakehughes6087 Varial just killed the captain where I’m at but good to know they succeed XD

[@Dustbinlid1]

Sevatar is the best, least used character in 30K. I use his short story, The Long Night as my gateway book of choice to get people into reading 30/40K lore.

[@patrik9328]

I agree, Sevatar is cool

[@darrenrenna]

Agree, Sevatar is a very under utilized character!

[@richardvaldes3959]

Prince of crows, and a lesson in darkness

[@barreranicolas77]

Yeah i like sevatar i lot specialy in his dead because is when he is talking with the astropath girl that he understand what are the night lords need and what the shoud became a legion of true justice and not a legion of night and darkness

[@ListyLobster]

love his lore

[@spookyghostwriter3110]

The best quote about the Night Lords I can think of was something among the lines of "The night lords will kill you simply because they see no reason why you should live."

[@nothuman3083]

Even their slaves are still treated better then most serfs, they literally get anything they ask for if they ask. They might get murdered though.

[@jackt4595]

True….

[@NPC-rq6vn]

Angron to the World Eaters: "I hate you all." World Eater: "NO DAD! Everyone, put these nails in your brain so our father will love us." Konrad to the Nigh Lords: "I hate you all." Night Lords: "Who gives a shit."

[@velstadtvonausterlitz2338]

Lmao

[@nothuman3083]

No he still had favorites.

[@jerelly9469]

@@nothuman3083 I think he only liked one of his children and that was Sevatar

[@ShockFist]

@@jerelly9469 Shang, Talos, etc

[@jerelly9469]

@@ShockFist oh my mistake, I’m not the most knowledgeable about the night lords, I’m more of an iron warriors fan

[@ZetatheSixth]

The source of Konrad Curze's brutality ultimately came from the fact that he had zero faith in humanity. I mean he literally did not believe in the goodness of humanity. He didn't think it existed at all. He was once chasing down a particularly crafty criminal and he saw two futures, one where the criminal got away and went on to become a legend for surviving the Night Haunter, going on to become the head of one of the largest criminal syndicates the world had ever seen. But there was another, one in which Konrad captured the man but then spared him and took him under his wing, training him to become the first of enforcers which would go on to help Konrad bring order to Nostromo. Konrad killed the man to make sure the former future would never come to pass. It was also why he ultimately destroyed Nostromo. Because even with perfect peace on the planet, the moment the one enforcing this peace went away, Nostromo went back to its degenerate self. This proved in Konrad's eyes that it was only through fear that humanity could overcome its base desires. Because even when they had everything going for them, without fear, humanity was destined to sink into degeneracy and criminality. To him, humans were sheep to be kept in line through fear, nothing more.

[@shockwave.9749]

See, as much as I love Konrad and Night Lord's, this shows the hypocritical nature of Konrad. He let the assassin kill him to like prove a point thay the future can't be changed, but he just changed the future by killing thay guy instead of him getting away or training under him

[@requiemlul3140]

@@shockwave.9749 To be fair he didn’t know wich would happen, he just chose to take the safer option.

[@shockwave.9749]

@@requiemlul3140 yea but, and not meaning to sound rude, isn't really relative to my point. He successfully changed the future that he foresaw, but he let the assassin kill him

[@requiemlul3140]

@@shockwave.9749 He didn’t change the future, he chose one of two he saw. Changing it would mean he purposefully made it a future he DIDN‘t see.

[@reaperthegrim5654]

@@requiemlul3140 killing the criminal was neither of the two futures konrad saw.

[@TheJacktor]

The Night Lords have some of the best one liners of any legion and that trilogy utilized them to the fullest. "We come for you!", "In Midnight Clad", "PREY SIGHT!"

[@the_infinexos]

Can't forget "DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR"

[@TheWarmachine375]

1:00 To be fair, Konrad Curze does love going for a walk. A very enthusiastic walk throughout the Great Crusade.

[@vlkafenryka788]

Wait those were our guys ?

[@julianpourdanesh3339]

And that bitches love cannons

[@GCHumanGuy]

"HEY KIDS WANNA SEE A DEAD BODY????"

[@BR-bn1mz]

@@GCHumanGuy clearly he’s just bonding with them the same as when he walked the streets as a kid

[@vlkafenryka788]

@@GCHumanGuy you activated my Alu Card

[@TenPtJackalope]

100% agree. ADB sold me on the VIII legion with his trilogy and short stories. Hopefully he continues both.

[@DanielLee-cb1dp]

100% disagree

[@DanielLee-cb1dp]

Obvs never heard of the death guard, world eaters and emperor’s children 🤦‍♂️

[@qigonglungz]

80% Agree!!! We need more of this...!!! GW has options... hopefully they won't burn out their fanbase before they start thinking outside of this corny little box that many fans want them to stay in... Nightlords Omnibus was a lot more than I expected it to be and the diversity amongst the Chaos Worshippers/Chaos Undivided legions is a big draw... If they continue to make it hard to pigeonhole Chaos and Loyalist... I also appreciate the same differences in the Loyalist Legions too.... i.e. Jagathai and his sons are just as crazy as Chaos Legions...

[@kangalow]

@@DanielLee-cb1dp subjective opinions man

[@JoeFlamenco]

100% agree. Batman’s Boys Are Better.

[@Rolling1s]

Night lords and iron warriors were the Only legions justified in rebelling angron hated the emperor tho tbf and I kinda get why he hated him however angron was also a massive angry toddler with everyone else about everything else

[@alexanderjohnson6178]

Definitely the other legions reasons were complete bull crap though I do respect the Word bearers for at least admitting it

[@GigachudBDE]

Tbf, I think anybody would if they had the nails drilled into them like Angron did. Didn’t help that the Emp let his gladiator brothers die by teleporting him out when it mattered the most.

[@Rolling1s]

@@GigachudBDE that’s why I said I kinda get why he hated emp like if my dad stopped me from helping my bros and left them to die when he could 10000% of helped I’d probably kill my dad lol

[@thechimeraprotocol]

The Imperium kept slaves (eg: when they killed the diasporex they took the humans in there as slaves). The Emperor also teleported Angron out and left his friends to die. Even if Angron never had the nails, I'm sure he would have still rebelled, even if not as a Khornate.

[@Primus_Phallus]

Iron Warriors not so much. Perty was as analytical as they come, he had no qualms sending in Army forces as fodder, heck he even allowed Warsmiths to throw legionnaires around like they're the freaking World Eaters if it meant an "efficient" war. But his autism prevented him from seeing the hypocrisy of his ways when he "boohoo no one loves me, the Emprah hates me" when he didnt even give a flying F about normal men under his command.

[@mr.puffballmansick-stee-ne7749]

Wow I must say Mr Major Kill it’s been a long time. I’ve really thoroughly enjoyed watching you grow into the charismatic entertaining nerd you’ve become. I’ve genuinely grown up watching you do the same and I personally find that to be very cool. I bid you good luck in the future my friend.

[@rheynilcalderon4246]

Night Lords always says "wanna play hide and seek?" Maybe that's the reasons why there the best traitor legions because they always learning from playing like the ultramarines

[@Kareszkoma]

The Emperor has a weird way of finding recruits on Terra. When I heard the origin of the Terran Night Lords recruits, I had a deja vu. The Terran Blood Angel recruits were from the "the lost and dispossessed of Terra". Sounds weird, but I'm sure Big-E had his reasons.

[@finnl6887]

People with nothing have loyalty to nothing. Until, that is, you're the first person to give them anything, let alone superpowers and most importantly purpose.

[@Kareszkoma]

@@finnl6887 That is such a good comment my mate! I love it. This given me new thoughts. The Imagination of a Story, that the Big-E purposefully went to the most wretched places, to find loyal recruits. He could've just taken noble sons and the like, but he needed something more. Such great thoughts, thank you.

[@cdev2117]

In "Sigismund: The Eternal Crusader" it seems recruits are taken from all over Terra, certain Legions scour certain regions, but in the end all recruits no matter if their sons of nobles, nomads, gangers etc. are taken to processing centers were they are psychological screened and then assigened to legions they would fit best e.g. Sigismund was almost assigned to the XII, but then it was decided to assigne him to the VII. Sigismund always despited the Night Lord, the main reason for that was that he was taken by a Night Lord that frightend the s**t out of him.

[@Kareszkoma]

@@cdev2117 Yes, that is true. It's more so the timeline. The first recruits on Terra were taken from different places. Later on, from everywhere, and than often from the Primarchs planet. For example. Look up the Blood Angel Legion, the Revenant legion on the lexicanum. There is a line: "..as the early IXth Legion recruited from the lost and dispossessed of Terra.." The early. The foundation. They were also used to hold the line, as they were especially murderous. Which is an interesting combination of how that came to be. Also, it's not a one time thing: "..On the moons of Neptune, 12,000 warriors of the IXth disappeared but nonetheless managed to endure and complete their mission. They had largely replenished their numbers taken from the barely human dregs of Neptune's tunnels. .." And: "..They became spectres that haunted the wild places of the Great Crusade, the terrors loosed by the Emperor to clear his path across the stars. .." The early history of the Legions are quite interesting. Why did they favor recruits like that? Why have the initiates became like that after the implantation. There is more lore about the Revenant Legion. In one, they were recruiting from people who were mutated, corrupted or disfigured by the warp. Their geneseed being super resilient, healed these people, and turned them into how Blood Angels tend to look like. Why? How? I find it interesting.

[@Nostroman_Praetor]

"I wanted to be a hero..." -Talos Valcoran, The Soul Hunter

[@zachzolikoff3402]

I read the Konrad novel recently and it kinda made me feel bad for him like at the end with him begging to the emperor and being mad that he didn’t help him is super emotional, and made me wish he did get a redemption arch. But insane vampire daddy is still sick. Also Sevatar was a mega chad in that book and a super devout son.

[@foxdavion6865]

Night Lords haven't really seen any love in a *very* long time. They were briefly centre stage back at the tail end of 3rd edition when they were highlighted in a series of White Dwarf articles and were the poster child for the City Fight game mode. As well as getting a lore story and subsequent materials. Games Workshop had a WD editor working there at the time who loved Night Lords and had enough sway at the company to get them featured a lot. After he left GW, Night Lords quickly faded from GW's attention to the point where they have got little to no content, models or basically anything for 20 years now.

[@nothuman3083]

Bell of lost souls was fun, the rules still make them effective even against the rail gun tau since they group together. You spread out and have heavey fire power spaced out in the front lines I am screwed. To be completely fair I solely focus on morale not fire power, which is devastating unless against crons, nidz, or Grey knights.

[@GloriousGrunt]

Chaos legions like the NL's deserve their own upgrade sprues, GW is such an negligent IP owner, busy selling Ultra Marine leggings and investing in mobile games lol

[@foxdavion6865]

@@GloriousGrunt I was told by an ex-GW regional recruitment manager the other day that she wouldn't be surprised if the accessories upgrade kits you can buy from GW for Night Lords are just left over stock from 20 years ago still sitting around gathering dust in the warehouse. If they're white metal, it is definitely the 20 year old stock, should check the metal tags, they have the cast date on them. Those, along with Catachans are still some of the only metal model kits GW still sells. (mainly because they made a lot more than they should of expecting them to sell well but none of them did and they're still sitting on hundreds of boxes 20 years old I'm told). If you order something online from Games Workshop, either from their tiny catalogue on their webstore, or their complete listings on Ebay and it comes in a White box with Warhammer on it and an Aquila with nothing else, it's new old stock from decades ago they've just been sitting on waiting to get rid of. I assure you GW doesn't throw anything away, they try to sell anything they can, which is why they have an Ebay account. The only stuff they don't keep, is anything that has had it's models or parts updated at any point. Older stuff either gets dumped to landfill or (more commonly than not) somehow ends up being thrown into a storage garage and left forgotten. I remember someone telling me once when they went to a blind storage auction in Sydney Australia as the owner had stopped paying the rent and they opened it, they found it and I am not kidding or paraphrasing here, top to bottom filled with 2nd edition Warhammer 40 000 boxes and boosters. Someone from Games Workshop AU/NZ just started dumping the remainder of GW's entire Oceanic inventory from when they started phasing it out in 1999, into that one storage garage at some random storage place in north Sydney and it had been sitting there for over a decade (I had this conversation in 2014); Whoever did it, simply stopped paying the rent on it, so their stuff went up for auction. He won it and told me he's been selling it all online. This was 8 years ago so it's likely all gone now. The vast majority of it was 2nd edition starter boxes I'm told.

[@GloriousGrunt]

@@foxdavion6865 that would have been the sickest find holy hell

[@foxdavion6865]

@@GloriousGrunt Since he is in the antiques and pawn trade, he didn't really appreciate the value or the significance of it all, started selling it cheap. He didn't appreciate it till after he talked to myself and others online about it whom he met in Warframe (which was the game we were playing together at the time). He told me he was "disappointed" it was full of "wargame toy model kits". As most blind Auctions usually are blind listed because it's something highly sort after like comics, cards or a small number of valuable antiques mixed in with 90% junk wood crap from tourist traps. We let him know why it was a blind auction. He didn't tell us how much he won the bid for, but did tell us it was in the 4 figure range. I don't really have a high opinion of pawn dealers in general, they have a well earned reputation for grifting people out of often hundreds of dollars on rare items to sell to rich celebs, yuppies, CEOs, antiques collectors, museums etc etc for often 2 to 3 times the amount they paid to get it in the first place and then brag about how much they banked on their find. They share the same personality quirks as the greedy a-holes who sleep soundly at night who make gatcha games.

[@matthewmiguel2319]

After learning about Nightlords and Iron Warriors they became my 2 favourite traitor legion. Nightlords basically being the emperor’s black ops, highly and ruthlessly effective just to be shit talked by everyone. Not to mention as time went on they went from recruiting the best of the best to getting scum of the galaxy

[@kellerblair2952]

Iron warriors 😑

[@lt.branwulfram4794]

*Warriors

[@macshadow1150]

XD I thought I was the only one who mistaken their names.

[@lyndontuck7084]

IMO Alpha Legion would arguably be a much better candidate to be described as "black ops" - conducting almost every mission in total secrecy, using assymetrical warfare tactics to destroy the enemy without sustaining casualties, utilising covert operatives, adopting whatever tactics and equipment necessary to suit situations and opponents, operating with complete focus on the mission and remaining pragmatic no matter the circumstances. Even the Iron Warriors would be better candidates than Night Lords as their whole modus operandi is ruthless efficiency and they have a very calculating mindset that would serve any special forces operator very well. Of all the Legions, Iron Warriors seem to be the most like real-world soldiers in that to them war is simply an equation to be solved by the economical application of firepower and brute force rather than a matter of honour, ideals or personal glory. Night Lords are more like Batman, The Joker and Colonel Kurtz from Apocalypse Now combined (in fact, Colonel Kurtz and Apocalypse Now are referenced many times in NL background, not least of all with Konrad Kurze's name). They have some effective tactics and when they're motivated they're highly dangerous, but they're far too petty, divided and emotional to have anything like the utterly focussed, tactical and pragmatic mindset of special forces operators. Not trying to discredit your opinion though, only contributing my own. I'm glad you're enjoying reading about the legions. Iron Within, Iron Without!

[@TheWarmachine375]

@@kellerblair2952 Iron Warriors are the siege breakers. The hammer to the nail

[@TheWarmachine375]

In fairness, the reason why the Night Lords Legion are full of criminals recruited from Nostramo is because the moment Konrad Curze left his homeworld for the Great Crusade, the people of Nostramo are no longer afraid of him being around and resumed their criminal ways. Konrad should have left a stable government that answers to him and actually enforces the law and justice of the Imperium than use himself as the deterrent which isn't effective in his long term absence.

[@loganesposito265]

That’s how Batman works dummy no one’s asks Bruce shit but they all fear Batman

[@oneone99able]

@@loganesposito265 bad analogy, Bruce Wayne is always shown to be using his wealth and power to set up social infrastructure and help purge what corruption he can on that side

[@TheWolf261]

To be fair he probably didn't even need to do that. Could have probably just left a few trusted squads to continue his work while he was gone.

[@jeambeam3173]

It's dumb they couldn't just pretend he was still on planet and either use holograms or insane looking servitors as well as the government themselves flaying someone every once in a while to keep everyone in line Konrad rly didn't give a fuck

[@eividaskrikstaponis5728]

There was no one who could form a stable government. All the people of Nostramo were corrupt. Even his own sons whom he hated. Nostramo needed proper education to social engineer people, so they could live like a normal society. Maybe instal govermnent and law enforcers from some other planet...

[@thomstevens1238]

Night lords have been my favourite traitor legion ever since reading the omnibus the first time. They’re objectively correct in their actions in this galaxy and performed the role they were made for. Yes broadcasting a live feed of you skinning the planetary governor 24/7 until the planet surrenders is brutal but it’s better than killing millions of people and ruining half the environment in a 40k war. They were a deterrent, giving people the opportunity to avoid bloodshed. Rebel planets would surrender when they heard Night Lords were coming. That’s as merciful as it gets in this setting. Also side note: The parade scene on Nostramo is one of my favourite scenes of any 40k novel. “That was your mother.” Edit: I wrote this before watching most of the video and now realize I just repeated most of the same points, my bad.

[@URKCEHinoSuu]

Damn right you are. Them, and the Alpha Legion are what I consider to be among the best traitor legions.

[@MiguelFlores-pg8fi]

What a coincidence, just when im half way through the Soul Hunter Night Lord’s book, this lad gives us this gem! Thanks Major Kill

[@GloriousGrunt]

woah, same here, spooky. I'm on a Sandy Mitchell and ADB binge read

[@woolblanket379]

The Night Lords are FINALLY getting the recognition they deserve. I'm honestly surprised by you speaking so highly of them, considering you usually shit all over chaos factions lmao. Ave Dominus Nox.

[@prometheuscastles]

Ave Dominus Nox

[@toweroffrogs9470]

They arent a Chaos Faction, they are a Chad Faction

[@TheWarmachine375]

Night Lords Legion: *"HEY KIDS WANNA SEE A DEAD BODY?!"* Everyone: "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!"

[@mrcamo2usir]

VIII legion got me back into 40k, and im glad it continues to shine through for others as well

[@MH-br3th]

Those Nightlords novels are a must read. I enjoyed them quite a bit.

[@friedweiner9877]

Biggest of facts. ADB’s Night Lords book is one of the best, and they are my favorite traitor legion because of their arc and Talos

[@calebwhyte6957]

Night Lords and Iron Warriors are the only elite traitors.

[@GutsOfRivia]

In 30k they have the best traitor character Sevatar. I just wish they had a named character in 40k thats just as cool.

[@christiandauz3742]

Haarkan Worldclaimer works for the Black Legion Decimus is Talos' successor

[@Hellfirematrix]

The Night Lord Sevatar is hands down the best character of the Horus Heresy novels!

[@sugargay7168]

The Night Lords have been (along with the Emperor’s Children) my favorite traitor legion since day 1

[@ZeroONeal]

Just finished The Same Trilogy and Talos is definitely one of my favorite Marines from the Hersey

[@MulleDullen]

Could the Night Lords potentially work together with, say, the iron Warriors, in order to make an efficient combined force that could become a threat to the Empire?

[@alexanderjohnson6178]

That would be the coolest shit over!

[@royaltyfree9607]

No. Traitor legions hate each other and don’t get along unless Abaddon creates a new Black Crusade

[@alexanderjohnson6178]

@@royaltyfree9607 the Iron Warriors don’t care who they work with as long as they win

[@Benkys300]

Aren't they too small to actually pose a threat, since they aren't even aligned to any god??

[@seraph-rsxs-4256]

They did cooperate with the Red Corsairs a few times. Quite well, in fact, due to being given roles that superbly suited their combat doctrine.

[@alfieingrouille1528]

I bought the nightlords omnibus a while a ago but haven't really read it all that much this hopefully will change that, I am also painting some chaos marines as nightlords since I love the aesthetic of them

[@chadstorm92]

Crazy to think that the trilogy was my first entry into 40k… been hooked ever since.

[@alfieingrouille1528]

@@chadstorm92 nice

[@GloriousGrunt]

I started it recently and can't put it down, also painting CSM as night lords, the new CSM models really lend themselves to the NL look especially the warp talons

[@bigbossnickflynn]

Man after reading the trilogy of these guys wants me to make a guardsman army devoted to them

[@usssztorm1410]

One of my fav traitor legions, awesome artwork and lore

[@michaelboivin1051]

Hell yes! If you like night lords you should check out the short story "A lesson in darkness". Takes place shortly after Konrad is united with his legion. Enough said.

[@PelinalDidNothingWrong]

I hope we get some plastic Night Lords models soon. I really wanna get my new partner into 40k Tabletop,he loves the look and lore of the Night Lords so hopefully a Night Lord combat patrol would be the push he needs...

[@blooop1286]

Might be assuming but always nice to have more LGBT Warhammer players

[@PelinalDidNothingWrong]

@@blooop1286 You've assumed right there and yeah,glad I'm not the only LGBT Warhammer fan

[@easonyeung2779]

A Night Lords combat patrol seems unlikely since only factions with their own codex or supplement get a combat patrol. Though it would still be reasonable to hope for a Night Lords character or maybe an upgrade sprue if they decide to expand the concept from regular to chaos space marines.

[@PelinalDidNothingWrong]

@@easonyeung2779 I can see that I was being hopeful but I do really want to get plastic Night Lords or at least upgrade sprues. Hopefully better ones than the noise marine ones

[@easonyeung2779]

@@PelinalDidNothingWrong Although, since they're refreshing the Heresy range into plastic, meaning that they're also likely to remake legion-specific units which you can probably substitute into 40k because the Night Lords don't seemed to have changed much in terms of tactical doctrine or organization since their legion was broken.

[@guilhermecesar9185]

Just like Machiavelli says once in the Prince book: "If you want to rule, Between being love of feared, it's better being feared". And that's the NIght Lords idea of a good governament. It's interesting to see a traitor legion that don't fall to chaos or at least, don't let the ruinous powers influence then too much, and they dont become too "chaotic".

[@nothuman3083]

They have war band leaders that are chaos, they have some that aren't. The legion as a whole is spilt, though they actually occupy worlds and rule. They even build things.

[@SH-qs7ee]

Machiavelli is wrong though; fear only works until something scarier than you comes along. Then they will turn on you in an instant. Love and respect on the other hand, will at least buy a moments hesitation.

[@jeck988]

@@SH-qs7ee also pretty sure things didn’t end well for Machiavelli

[@EvolvedTactical]

Pretty much the exact same reaction I had when I finished the omnibus a few months ago. ADB is a talented author, and really fleshed out the Night Lords. I'm excited to see what young Decimus accomplishes.

[@landonmel3070]

Man I wish the black legion was written this well

[@michaeljenner2325]

Honestly by this point I think GW should just get get of the black legion as the big bad of chaos marines.

[@thetrashycommissar8749]

The Night Lords have always been my favorite all around and traitor legion, I like reading about their mentality and justifications for what they do

[@geonsilberlicht4632]

Traitor legion ranking please? Mine would be: Thousand Sons Alpha Legion Iron Warriors Black Legion Night Lords Death Guard Word Bearers Emperor's Children World Eaters

[@jeremyleonjonas7657]

Hell yes. Finally some respect for the Night Lords xD I absolutely agree with your points. Plus the Night Lords tend to be my favorites in alternative timelines with switched loyalties sich as the Lionel Heresy or, of course, the Dornian. And now that you hinted at it.... a top 7 primarch duelists might be dope aswell xD

[@ApolloSol_101]

I love the Night lord's and their designs are amazing... Also Roboutian Heresy where is it Majorkill?!

[@Corsair-Mandrake]

Maybe a underrated first founding loyalist chapter, white scars and raven guard come to mind

[@Tpainactual]

No

[@therope340]

White Scars are interesting but the Raven Guard feel like a budget Night Lords that got mogged on by everyone lol

[@qigonglungz]

Yes!!! "The Night Lords Omnibus" is why they are the best... read it... it will explain everything... Talos and his "progenitor" are the coolest thing going... GW really needs to expand what his progeny does with himself, I would love to see a continuation specifically focused on his "child"... What I think we only get a page or two of meeting him... also, shout outs on how well they explain some Pre-PTSD Psycopaths... meaning all these guys were already crazy and just made it worse... then they ended up with the Gene-seed of a true Paranoid Schizo with an extreme level of wisdom that surpassed his emotional tolerance... Konrad had a circular curse of being crazy but smart, and driving himself even crazier as time progressed....

[@sarnicholas4053]

Definitely my experience too after reading ADBs books. It's the mark of a good author that he can actually make me care about and at least partly understand characters that are genuinely just awful people.

[@KnightofLondor]

Going into the NLO, I pretty much hated every night lord character. By the end I loved them all except Cyrion. Fuck Cyrion.

[@nurgle333]

@@KnightofLondor uzas or whatever his name was was the worst

[@KnightofLondor]

@@nurgle333 Did you finish the omnibus?

[@nurgle333]

@@KnightofLondor yeah, I still like cyrion more, he'll get his eventually

[@KnightofLondor]

@@nurgle333 I like Uzas for his increasing lucidity throughout the omnibus, becoming more and more of an actual character. Cyrion to me was kind of boring the whole time until the end - where I dislike him, naturally, as ADB intends

[@Zero1859]

Dude gotta say both you and weshammer make getting into the lore of 40k really really accessible and fun to listen to. Keep up the good work mate.

[@daveeol1987]

As I nightlord player I have to be honest I picked them for the colour scheme. The badass fluff is a bonus

[@silence2472]

Honestly as a Fallen player the night lords have to be my favorite traitors, couldn’t ask for a better foe or a better time during Thramas

[@mistabrrrly]

The trilogy was so good. I also read Prince of Crows and Konrad’s book. They were great! Also this artwork is amazing!

[@hibanamain5709]

The fact that Servatar was not even mentioned in all of this is criminal, man *literally* rode on the back of a ship just to aid his primarch in battle.

[@Shawaeon]

The moment he realized it probably wasn't the best of ideas made me burst out laughing.

[@hibanamain5709]

@@Shawaeon honestly that whole fragment is great. "He had to admit, even if only to himself, that this was one of his less wise ideas. No amount of biological enhancement, nor even the most advanced suit of Maximus-pattern power armour, could shield him from the gravitational forces pressing against him. He felt nausea for the first time in over a century, which was novel enough to make him grin."

[@TgamerBio5529]

Damn now I love the night lords. If they were still with the imperium occupying planets and sabotaging the enemy it would benefit the imperium. I would love to see them have more love!!!

[@conecarina2566]

Sooooo Can we be looking forward to a Talos solo video? The Soulhunter novels were a genuinely fun read And id love to see you talk about him.

[@adibhakeem2126]

Will you cover the Roboutian heresy?

[@MorteWulfe]

Dembski-Bowden did a marvel of story telling with his trilogy. However there is the old paperback, Lord of the Night, which is a must read and really helps to set the stage for his books.

[@doubledeputyd4242]

I Knew You'd See It Our Way Mr. Major.

[@z-dog9376]

The content quality has become just incredible to what it was even a year ago hope the algorithm gives you luck

[@pentacosttb2565]

It's a shame Fulgrim didn't have someone like Magnus, Vulkan or Sanguinius to turn to when Knorad confided in him. You can see why he'd seek counsel with Dorn, who outwardly seems incredibly level headed and sensible, but then you remember the screaming, raging autists of the Black Templars are just as much a reflection of Dorn as the banana men, so it's not a shock that Dorn spazzed out and made everything 1000% worse.

[@christiandauz3742]

There is a reason Malcador and the Emperor never told Dorn about the True Nature of the Warp, Chaos Had they told him he would have studied the Warp and be corrupted

[@TheWarmachine375]

@@christiandauz3742 I get the Dornian Heresy reference where Rogal Dorn got corrupted by Chaos when he gets a little too much into his Pain Glove. I mean in canon, Dorn apparently saw the Emperor in his vision when using the Pain Glove (prior to the Iron Cage incident) which is kinda sketchy and it won't be a surprise if Chaos Gods can appear in his visions too.

[@christiandauz3742]

@@TheWarmachine375 Malcador told Dorn during the Siege that his tendency to extremely study something he did not understand was why he did not tell him about Chaos. He would study it and not know it would corrupt him.

[@TheWarmachine375]

@@christiandauz3742 To be fair, Dorn is a very firm believer in the Imperial Truth (yes that one was deemed heretical in a current Emperor-worshiping Imperium) and would find logic at everything after studying them. Dorn outright disowned Sigismund because from his perspective, his formerly favored son gave in to superstition for listening to a prophecy of some old woman instead of ignoring her and follow his logic. Yeah, Sigismund has daddy issues because of that and became the founder of the Black Templars where they are absolute lunatics.

[@efffvss]

@@christiandauz3742 And yet they just let Lorgar with the obvious Shrine World and Magnus the Wizard King slide? That's just weird. Tbh every 'explanation' for 'why did the Emperor lie about Chaos/the Warp' just digs the hole deeper.

[@burtfergusonshackleford7616]

I’ve just been chilling, no comments, watching your vids. Thank you for covering the Night Lords. So metal!

[@jonpaulevans31]

"... remained surprisingly pure..." Uh, Uzas, The Exalted, all of their Raptors, Cyrion to a degree... Taint was seen as weak by some NL, others embraced it. From all I've read, the NL don't seem any more pure than the Iron Warriors or Alpha Legion. Way less demonically inclined than most, but still had it.

[@efffvss]

Yeah, it's one of those things in the NL trilogy that often gets overlooked is that a lot of the portrayal of the Night Lords is distorted thanks to Talos' POV. What MK is talking about in the vid is a lot closer to 'how Marines like Talos see the Legion' rather than 'how the Legion is'. Plus even Talos acknowledges in the first book that the most powerful known warband of the VIII is that of Kreig Acerbus (antagonist from the older 'Lord of the Night' book), a Night Lord Daemon Prince firmly on the 'sadistic, flay them for the jollies' side of the Legion.

[@Nerdypugminatures]

As a Night Lord player since the late 90s was super hype to watch this video. Keep up the great work Majorkill 😎

[@alrightthen3834]

Ngl night lords are one of my favourite traitor legions entirely because of Servitar

[@asmordisfluffbreaker4999]

That termi at 3:25 is the coolest bloody thing ever!

[@PrimarisBlackTemplaDraven]

I got loyalist renegade Night lord's working for the imperium in the shadows.

[@Ake-TL]

Name more iconic duo: Majorkill and changing opinion after reading a good book

[@TheTrueFeleas]

Yeah I can't wait to see if GW does something awesome with Decimus.

[@smeekma]

Thank you for some Night Lords love! They are my favorite faction (tied with the Raven Guard) but they always seem to be forgotten both in terms of lore and tabletop.

[@ashsmith8358]

Night lords are the best. Love the novels and I really hope we see more of them in the future.

[@chicken_flavoured_bacon3230]

yes, that trilogy's excellent, Aaron Dembski Bowden did an awesome job of fleshing out the night lords.. love those books

[@Incineratorking]

I love night lords so much but the raptor and warp talon kits have thrown me off getting an army for them, not to mention I'd have to get all the night lord heads.

[@positivepaul8956]

Mark 3 and 4 kits are solid for combining with the raptor kits or even between themselves

[@TheWolf261]

I just use the HH raptors and heads. They are dope.

[@0mn0mable]

2nd fave CSMs after perty & ganggang! The fear-kink that these night bois have = the exact same thing as the Sith from Star Wars. This just clicked in my head, but I'm a p big star wars nerd and love me some sith/empire. No lie, for any of us who played SWTOR as an Imperial Agent - the agent campaign storyline has you defeating LITERALLY CONRADE CURZE IN STAR WARS AND HIS MAD PLAN TO RULE THE EMPIRE THROUGH ABSOLUTE FEAR. The parallels between SW/SWTOR and wh40k/nightlords is SO cool and underrated.

[@jonnycoutinho]

Konrad Kurze for the win!!

[@shinjigaming7185]

Thanks majorkill for giving these badass criminals a vid

[@dac314]

What was the retention rate of NightLords compliant worlds, though? Cuz Nostromo fell back to brutality and criminality once Konrad left the system, so it's maybe not a good long term strategy to only "scare" people into compliance.

[@danielcollinspda9936]

When it comes to individual factions and groups in 40k like the here with the night lords, and the Harlequins, Major Kill convinces me how dope they are, good one on you man.

[@schnitzelfritzel6287]

0:31 why is majorkill so against mortarion? On The surface, sure man looks extremely bad. Man throws a tempertantrum because daddy didnt let him kill. But if you actually look under The surface then you see that he was fighting a rebellion against tyranny, stolen his life’s purpose and then forced To fight for another tyrant (aka the imperium of man). Everytime he saw someone worse than the imperium he would completely ignore advisors To lead a head on assault To liberate and give the populace that sweet taste of vengance he never got. Despite all this- despite being forced to fight for the tyrant that was the imperium, he was still loyal during the heresy (from my understanding) until his right hand man decided: y’know what if I put the primarch and his pals in a nurgle cumjar?

[@chillemdafoe1738]

7:55 holy shit thank you ive been having the hardest time finding out which chaos god they turned to but that explains why the search results were......minimal

[@NornQueenKya]

You're darn right they are! Who else but talos would be 2 seconds from death and still talk smack to his khorne worshiping maniac of a brother? Plus torturing captives and then having their souls sucked out by a navigator... all to create the world's biggest psychic explosion? Most. Hilarious. Idea. Ever.

[@DarthAzabrush]

The thing that gets me is that right up until the drop pods landed it could have gone either way for the Night Lords at Istvaan. Same with the Alpha Legion.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Night Lords Legion in Roboutian Heresy are super based.

[@casparquam7290]

Marjorkill I never thought of it like this and you made this my favorite traitor leagen.

[@blindedinblue]

I personally love the nightlords and their primearch

[@medieval8893]

Red Corsairs and Night Lords are definitely up there with my favorite factions/legions, I hope we get some actual models soon!

[@TheHereticalPainter]

This makes me ether want to start a Night Lord army or an alpha legion one.

[@frostyfoster7267]

Why not both

[@TheHereticalPainter]

@@frostyfoster7267 My wallet

[@dragonborn2718]

These guys remind me of a quote from the movie Dracula Untold "I put one village to the sword to spare 100 more" Its been a bit since ive seen the movie so that quote may be a little off but you get the idea

[@snakething87]

Night lords are living representatives of “War is hell. You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it.”

[@xxatomicxx5799]

I recently started painting models after being into the lore for some time and while I was always fond of the Night Lords from what i knew of them, I was originally going to paint Blood Angels. That was until I listened to the Night Lords trilogy audiobooks and fell deeply in love with them to which I am starting a Night Lords army for. I'd love to see you do some models for them and if you can check out Sevatar and maybe do a video on him, he's an awesome character with some awesome moments and well balance the aspects if the Night Lords - even being dubbed Konrad's favoured son despite him hating most of them.

[@necrospoon]

They're not better than any other legion. The were just given life by the genius of Aaron Dembski-Bowden, the greatest writer of our time.

[@zeee149]

Love the fact that 'Konrad Curze' is a play on words, about the Joseph Conrad book 'Heart of Darkness', who's main protagonist is 'General Kurtz'!! : )

[@sevatar5762]

Yes! Always thought NLs were the best traitor legion. We need a return of Sevatar in some capacity to the current 40k timeline!

[@kurgen96vods98]

Rumour has it that each meal from the Dark Angels, was just so good, he could bring himself to leave XD except to break an Astropath's neck.

[@robdeskrd]

Nearly winning a fight alone against The Angel, The Lion, Volcan &, Bobby G? Name a single other primarch/custodes/marine who could do that

[@gageisbell4338]

THIS IS WHY I LIKE THE CARCHARADOONS BEING NIGHTLORD SUCCESSORS as they are the MONSTERS THE MONSTERS FEAR

[@cronykil74]

They're Raven Guard sucessors

[@vegalacerda6097]

Just finished the omnibus for 10th company first claw too. Amazing, work.