Make Dioxane from Antifreeze

[@NurdRage]

I'll show how to make sodium magnesium oxide as well as isolate sodium metal itself in an upcoming video.

[@Agustx0]

NurdRage Awesome!

[@KingOfChaos213]

Places reagents on old military mess tray *nice*

[@billsmathers7787]

Are you sure you separated all of the methyldioxolane? That stuff boils at 82 C and is unaffected by base or sodium.

[@NurdRage]

+bill smathers that's why it was distilled with acid

[@billsmathers7787]

I know, but are you sure you got it all? Did you test by acidifying your purified dioxane and checking for discoloration? I'm not totally convinced that you got it all.

[@Nixola97]

Well thank you KZbin, for notifying me this video exists ~3 hours after I watched it.

[@loganthesaint]

I’m at 3 years...

[@jimines6422]

@@loganthesaint I'm at 4 😂

[@pharmdiesel]

Sir: This is really good and commendable work. You have tied this together very nicely with Na metal production. In my eyes and opinion you have brought back the respect that the "Amateur Chemist" deserves. After all, some of the greatest discoveries were made by individuals investigating matter and nature just exactly like this. Bravo!

[@suprememasteroftheuniverse]

Thanks for the non sense.

[@eclectichoosier5474]

I just made some dioxane yesterday, but took the time to distill my ethylene glycol. I still got the tarry side products in the initial reaction, but with all of the fluorescein and other additives removed, it was easy to wash out with common detergent. The process didn't smell nearly as bad, either. I also used KOH to clean it, and NurdRage is definitely correct in that it is much easier to use a separatory funnel! Sadly, it did not work to clean my amalgam. I'm guessing that I had too much unreacted NaOH in it, because it just made a gooey mess and etched my flask. The goo cleaned up easily enough with an acid wash, but the etching... Well, maybe it will mean that I don't need boiling chips in future projects. Bright side. Think bright side.

[@malcolmhein1858]

Well, well . . What d'ya know! A well written and constructive comment on KZbin. Props to you eclectichoosier5474. Better seven years late than never! I am getting ready to make some sodium à la NurdRage using lab grade ethylene glycol and 98% sulfuric acid. Should be interesting-and fun. I am curious as to how much of that black goo I get. (I will also be going the potassium hydroxide and separatory funnel route. I'd like to avoid the etching issue.)

[@benoitg6933]

I've been watching your videos for a few months now, still don't understand anthing about what you are doing but I can't stop watching.

[@martinofgliwice1486]

Love the amount of content produced recently! It doesn't need to be great, any kind of applied chemistry is good. Edit: great in "greatly innovative" sense. Pyrimethamine, exotic thermite and stuff. Simple organic and inorganic stuff is also a lot of fun to watch.

[@NurdRage]

thanks!

[@sargon6000]

@NurdRage You could have used that acetaldehyde to make pentaerythritol. You just have to mix it with formaldehyde/paraformaldehyde, and add a bit of calcium hydroxide as catalyst.

[@ElementalMaker]

Absolutely AWESOME Nurdrage! having tried the same thing with tetralin unsuccessfully, I am so happy to see a solvent that works!

[@astropgn]

It is not an urban legend at all! A decade ago some technician was trying to open a bottle without label and it blew on their hand. It wasn't the peroxide of dioxane, but it was a similar case, where an organic molecule formed an unstable peroxide. Fortunately they recovered completely.

[@NurdRage]

Exactly! I'm explaining its NOT an urban legend! Light ethers like dioxane, THF and diethyl ether are especially dangerous as the newly exploded bottle has just created a giant mist of the solvent... which can itself ignite causing an even bigger explosion. Thus amateurs should be very careful of making and storing ethers.

[@stephenjacks8196]

I worked with Haz waste. We found a bottle of diisopropyl ether with big clear crystals in it. Boss took it to the railroad track and shot at it. Ka-boom and big fireball. Peroxide forming is tertiary hydrogen > secondary > primary order of ease of free radical reaction. So MTBE should be safe.

[@stephenjacks8196]

Electron donating groups like Oxygen and CH2 accelerate peroxide formation. Electron withdrawing groups like in Nitromethane don't form peroxides but then Nitromethane detonates without.

[@djdrack4681]

A video for a cheap/good diy way to make formaldehyde would be a great video. Sure it is pretty cheap in bulk, but there are always going to be ppl wanting to know how to make it in a SHTF situation

[@iandvaag]

1,4-dioxane is used to shift the Schlenk equilibrium of Grignard reagents by precipitating out a salt of Mg(X_2)(dioxane_2) leaving you with Mg(R_2)

[@thriveman]

G'Day Nurdrage, I enjoy all your videos ,I have decided I must dollars to your patreon account, I feel you're description & mannerisms is what we need , I watched many your videos, this video & narration SPOT ON ,

[@NurdRage]

Why thank you for your kind words!

[@reak514]

Antifreeze tastes nice, my famous last words. Cos ethylene glycol is tasty but poisonous. 😋

[@ripsumrall8018]

But how do you get it to chooch if it's in a vice?

[@reak514]

Use a Canadian peso to get the pixies dancing in the wall to fix it. But you'll need a rectumfryer to make sure the pixies are going one way.

[@zanpekosak2383]

Actually here is a tradition if we want to make water frezee proof we add just enough antifreeze to make it sweet. But you need to try only a little drop.

[@JoshuaNicoll]

It's interesting, since KOH is used to make liquid soap, and it remains liquidy, and NaOH is used to make hard soap, and it turns into a solid, seems it happens with this too.

[@keyss78]

The solution also turns a pretty purple color with KOH addition, which was quite unexpected.

[@science_and_anonymous]

it's not a NurdRage video if it doesn't have something carsonogenic

[@jonasstrzyz2469]

carcinogenic

[@jonasstrzyz2469]

Good one =D

[@MuradBeybalaev]

It's not KZbin if people don't misspell in every comment.

[@jonasstrzyz2469]

+antiswatt3 even argon

[@myfanwy9499]

Argon37 is carcinogenic

[@falconmick]

... why do I watch every one of your videos.... I only did chemistry in high school so this goes right over my head

[@rynabuns]

falconmick All the principles here are learnt in high school chemistry though? There isn't really anything that's university level.

[@Sporkabyte]

Ryna Lau nope. This is organic chemistry, which is not usually taught in high school

[@falconmick]

but that was like 7-8 years ago!

[@reak514]

Wtf it is inorganic, organic is taught in high school

[@falconmick]

Spunkey Doodle same, I've replaced all of that stuff with other stuff I've learnt that's more tailored for my field of work

[@freddurst1900]

Not gonna lie.. When I first saw the title, it thought it read "make dioxin from antifreeze".. So glad I misread that.

[@justinpatterson7700]

Could you use lithium or potassium metal in this? If so what if any changes would you need to make?

[@terrylick5908]

brilliant as always. love how you are clear and explain it will detail. science excellent for scientific research and development and education purposes only. it's amazing how some just react slightly and some act violently. science. i wish i done more with it in school. then saying that i have learnt more through this excellent channel 👍

[@rockhunther0209]

You might be able to make dioxane... But only Italians know how to make DioCane.

[@morlanius]

Looking forward to the peroxides video as this is a big concern for me recently.

[@pirobot668beta]

Make nitrocubane! Worked at University and was clearing out old Lab that had been un-used for 12 years. Found partial jar of Picric acid and 1/2 empty bottle of Diethyl Ether on the same shelf. The lid of the acid was rusted through and the Ether had a loose cork. Yes, cork. We called the Bomb Squad.

[@Rivodtadin]

Very nice video and it's well explained, good job

[@nigeljohnson9820]

How do you dispose of all the waste chemicals that your experiments generate? Do you spend a lot of time working out a way to neutralise the waste to minimum toxicity?

[@dutstinroach]

i would like to see an alkaloid extraction from plant material :P

[@NurdRage]

sure, any suggestions for particularly interesting ones? :) I would like to expand to into natural product isolation.

[@GaldirEonai]

On the less-illegal end of the alkaloid spectrum, caffeine could be fun.

[@MinecraftModtester1]

NurdRage extracting oleandrin from oleander... But i think.. There is no oleander to get in your country

[@Vimeslgospare]

Nicotine would be interesting especially to the Ecig community.

[@dustinsmith8341]

Nutmeg seems to have a wide array of alkaloids to extract. I've heard of Orgo labs at universities doing extractions on it to for characterization.

[@AllChemystery]

so when can we expect to see the pyrimethamine video?

[@oktogen1476]

yes.

[@TheOrganicartist]

keep up the awesome work, i love your videos.

[@vojtator]

Why is dioxane the major product and not the di/tri ethylenglycol?

[@NurdRage]

Once you've joined two glycols the ends have a much higher probability finding each other than finding a third glycol molecule. So they cyclize at a higher rate, then the dioxane boils off and drives the reaction forward. Edit: massively blundered the wording, hopefully fixed it now

[@vojtator]

Oh I see now, thank you!

[@alish5417]

because h2so4 is denser than ethylene glycol by density ,thats why naybe 40ml or 50ml of h2so4 is equal in wight by grams to 300 ml of mono etylene glycol *single)

[@psycronizer]

take it from a lab tech, even a piece of bare copper wire (5 cm long) is enough to take care of any peroxides, just leave in the bottom of the storage bottle....with store brought ether it is not an issue any more because all of that stuff is stabilized with a very small amount a reducing agent.

[@NurdRage]

i heard about copper wire but could never find any literature supporting it. All i could find was comments on internet forums. Would you happen to know any scientific literature that supports the use of copper wire?

[@xPROxSNIPExMW2xPOWER]

HELL YEAH YOU GOT A SPONSOR!!

[@alish5417]

the reaction is similar to formic acid ,but this one worked diffirently ,the second replinish of yesterdays distillation in the same flask ,i restaryed the reaction in the same flask ,addef the fresh 250ml and and another 20ml ,yesterday i used 600mm glycol ,and 55ml h2so4,but looks like today im distilling real dioxane ,yesterday the temp staryed 101 and went down to 94.6 c ,i pausef the reaction yesterday ,and resumed it ,the ladt boiling point was 95.6 ,but today afyrr i resumed it it started at 94c not for a long time ,but started getting lower ,so i sayed lets try replenish in the same flask ,and today im already distilledf 200ml ,the temp is steady at 101.1 101.0

[@widar28]

Nice video! I'm looking forward to your ether storage video. Peroxides in my ether are something that concern me too. Can you tell how much of a problem this is with MTBE?

[@mheermance]

I'm curious how you dispose of the side products like the acetaldehyde. Do you have a way to render them harmless, or do you use a disposal service?

[@eclectichoosier5474]

Acetaldehyde is a useful chemical. Precursor to a lots of things.

[@pietrotettamanti7239]

Wayne Moore he said that he wouldn't use it. I theink that he'll polymerize it with NaOH and then pour it down the drain, since the polymer is harmless.

[@ericdavis7395]

[@FAEM-ji5rv]

Question: how much dioxane was produce relative to the starting materials?

[@christopherleubner6633]

For long term storage, store over sodium and flush the bottle with argon.

[@TehFuzzyCoconut]

i love you. i love science.

[@niclasbertell8783]

When will we get the video about dealing with the peroxides in ether solutions?

[@jhyland87]

Did you ever make a video on dealing with peroxides in ether solutions? I have some peroxide test strips that I think should work as a quick qualitative test (they test for "peroxides", not specifically just hydrogen peroxide).

[@raiyiar]

Hi! I wanted to ask a few quick questions :) are crown-ethers byproducts here? and if so, could you tweak the reaction to yield more of them or a specific one?

[@manuelbacha6023]

You could, in fact, by using a calcium based salt with a non nucleophilic anion (sulfates are generally, avoid chlorides and bromides) what happens is calcium really likes to coordinate oxygenated functions, and to complete it’s coordination sphere, it might coordinate 2,3 or 4 glycol molecules depending on concentration, by then dehydrating the glycols using the calcium as a template, you should be able to get crown ethers

[@cphVlwYa]

How dangerous are the fumes of the side products? I stupidly added way too much NaOH to the tar while cleaning it, and it caused it to boil and shoot a plume of vapor out of my Erlenmeyer flask like a volcano. I ended up breathing way more of it than I would have like, but the scary thing is that I'm not 100% of what I got a lung full of. If anyone knows I would really appreciate it. Additional info: The fumes have a very distinct smell but I really can't explain it. I personally thought it smells like strong licorice, however I got a second opinion and they described it as burnt celery. The antifreeze I used was Preston brand which contains 2-Ethyl Hexanoic Acid, Sodium Salt (1-5%) and Neodecanoic Acid, Sodium Salt (1-5%) in addition to the ethylene glycol. I was also pressed on time, and my vapors reached a maximum temperature of 110C during the distillation, so I'm sure many side products were formed. And toward the end of the distillation a second liquid started coming over which separated into it's own phase. I think that's where the smell came from

[@quokofumi5653]

hi ! is it possible that we will see how to manage old ehter and peroxides ? its been a while from 2017 8:22

[@lamamriaissa1165]

realy your video are the best on the net thunkyou very mucth

[@bvukovar]

Can you put an oxygen scavenger sachet inside the top of a container of dioxane or ether to prolong the safe shelf life?

[@zachfry1862]

How do you dispose of the dangerous unwanted byproducts?

[@davsyl94]

Zach Fry I also would like to know this

[@MuradBeybalaev]

Are you a cop? You are legally obligated to admit it if you are. JK

[@davsyl94]

Murad Beybalaev No, I'm curious on how to safely dispose of the bi-products...I'm not a chemist or cop...

[@MuradBeybalaev]

That was a joke. Don't mind me.

[@zanpekosak2383]

Zach Fry Dump it down the toilet. Give cancer to rats.

[@jozefnovak7750]

Thank you very much!

[@shadowtheimpure]

A thought occurs, can you add an inert gas such as argon to your dioxane storage vessel to mitigate the creation of the peroxides and allow for storage over the longer term?

[@walterbunn280]

So... it seems that it would work better if you froze it after the initial generation, rather than reboiling it with sulfuric acid. Dry ice is cheaper than sulfuric acid, and dioxane (as a mixture of the different isomers) freezes around 10 degrees celsius. Meaning it's probably possible to freeze it (especially with dry ice, at -70-ish celsius). If you can just freeze the dioxane/water azeotrope, it would greatly reduce the need for a full fractional distillation, and you could move directly to using sodium/potassium hydroxide for that final purification step.

[@NurdRage]

You tried it?

[@walterbunn280]

I will try it now. For the most part, I haven't needed a lot of ether, so I don't mess with them. I've wanted to see if i could extract a beta-carbaline from some Oxalis for a while though now so this would be a good route for that.... I've found that a freezer is an often overlooked tool for the home chemist. I concentrate hydrogen peroxide from 3% to 12% using a normal freezer, and I've found that boric acid is much easier to get ahold of using a microwave and a fridge (borax + hydrochloric acid, on chilling, the boric acid falls out).

[@13deadghosts]

7:08 "But pure sodium metal is very hard to get for the armateur..." Thanks to your work hard work, this sentence hasn't aged well :)

[@snowdaysrule]

When it comes to the part where you add sodium hydroxide to the dioxane/water azeotrope, does anyone know if I could instead "salt out" the water with NaCl, decant off the dioxane layer, and then add a small amount of NaOH to this to break down the impurities? The reason I ask is because I'd prefer to minimize the amount of NaOH I use and if something as cheap as table salt can accomplish the same thing (water removal) as base I'd rather use that. Thanks

[@NurdRage]

Give it a try and see if it works. If it doesn't, you can filter off the NaCl and just go with NaOH. So there is no real downside (other than loss of excessively cheap NaCl)

[@snowdaysrule]

Alright I'll give it a shot and report back with how it goes. I also considered separation by freezing (since dioxane has a melting point of 11.8°C vs water at 0°C) but figured things would get messy once removing from the fridge and putting the crystals on the pump. I ended up using cooling as a way of showing that I really did make some dioxane and that it was worthwhile to continue trying to purify my distillate. Thanks for the response!

[@thepope2412]

Can this dioxane stop time?

[@Kabodanki]

you commie

[@garycazzell4547]

Lol

[@generalingwer4341]

Hi enjoyed your video on hydrogen peroxide very much.i was wondering if you have a video around hydobromic acid.thanks for videos.

[@mathbc1984]

How to make Sodium fast : Burn Magnesium with sodium hydroxide and melt the product left by the magnesium burning and sodium hydroxide in mineral oil to clean It.

[@martinofgliwice1486]

I wonder how much are recent videos related to oxalyl chloride fail.

[@adamrandall5163]

People seem to go to extreme lengths in an attempt to get just a tiny amount of acetaldehyde. If you have a look at for instance John Black super chemist, he has a 4 part video on obtaining it with a setup that makes the time machine in back to the future look simple & yet here is this what appears to be straight forward process producing oceans of it. My question is, how sure are you that the byproduct mentioned is actually acetaldehyde?

[@afbennett3038]

Could you make a video on making potassium perchlorate

[@thomasgarbe8354]

doesn't dioxane dissolve plastic into some sort of glue, so that you can seal cracks?

[@sheev9852]

Did he ever make that video on dealing with peroxides in ether solutions

[@AVIONN2]

How does one properly dispose of the side products? Do you just take it somewhere

[@aldoquaranta2480]

1,4 dioxane can be used to store potassium or produce it by reduction of KOH with Mg turnings ?

[@SigEpBlue]

Great work, though I don't envy you having to clean all that glassware afterward. :)

[@liverpoolirish208]

Base bath

[@Soaring-Dragon]

Is there a method where ethylene glycol can be produced from glycerol

[@alish5417]

after adding naoh ,i lift with a viscous suspension ,to redistill this oil ?

[@grafotec]

hello, can you show,if its possible, if dioxane react with bromine to form dioxane dibromide (if exist) ?

[@ryancl03]

would pumping in an inert gas such as nitrogen or argon work for preventing reaction over time?

[@melody3741]

is dioxane carcinogenic because of its flat structure like benzene?

[@liverpoolirish208]

Dioxane isn't flat. It has no pi-system. It adopts the normal chair-boat conformers of six membered rings.

[@melody3741]

oh okay. somebody was talking about how flat carbon is carcinogenic because it can separate dna like a knife. im assuming that its still a similar idea though.

[@melody3741]

and im assuming thisbalso means benzene is not flat

[@liverpoolirish208]

Benzene has a pi system above and below the ring. It is flat and inflexible with sp2 hybridisation of the bonds. Dioxane's bonds are sp3 hybridised and flexible.

[@randolphthesilver4245]

Further the carcinogenicity of benzene is more than just its flatness. It is aromatic and able to pi stack with the aromatic DNA bases. This means it will stay within the DNA and deform it, interfering with the DNA replication machinery and causing errors in the replication. Also, when the body metabolizes benzene it makes products that react with DNA, basically destroying it. Plus, there are many other properties that make it a carcinogen.

[@null65]

Can i do It by using break liquid instead of anti - freeze?

[@twitchycygnus]

Would storage under an inert gas such as argon work to preserve solvents such as dioxane?

[@alish5417]

what temp range is recommended to stop ,under 99 like 98 ,because Thier temp diffirence is so small ,87 c sounds wierd ,because dioxane boiks at 101

[@elephystry]

This must be how you figured out that dioxane can be used as a solvent for sodium.

[@dudetapedtoafridge3073]

Can i use the antifreeze with the methonel and ethylene glycol in it or does the methanol interfere with the reaction

[@psicopatalucifer]

Excellent .!!!

[@airwolf28]

What?!! No Gary the bug??

[@RobertBaruch]

The reincarnated Gary makes an appearance at 5:03.

[@macrokaiju]

thank you

[@fburton8]

Next time, dioxin... :P

[@TheRussianCow]

is a fractional distillation necessary or will a simple distillation suffice?

[@alish5417]

naoh have been added inorder to break the polymer chain into smaller mqnomers ,sane as paraformaldehyde ,slfur yen3n rabbak ,and the so4 is the polymerizer ,becauee its a long story aftet thag

[@rezakhanish]

perfect

[@C2welder]

Could you use triethylene glycol instead?

[@marcnielsen726]

Will it be possible to dry it with molecular sieves A5, bought them by mistake. So would be nice to use them on something.

[@LaserJake99]

Marc Nielsen you really need A3 sieves to have the 3 ångstrom pores that will trap water and not the dioxane.

[@CoxTH]

Shouldn't pretty much any acid work as a catalyst for the reaction?

[@NurdRage]

Sulfuric acid works particularly well because it doesn't boil off and get lost.

[@martinofgliwice1486]

CoxTH Phosphoric or polyphosphoric acid may be good as well. But they are somewhat more corrosive to glass. Shouldn't be a big problem at this temperature, though. Other acids are probably rather impractical for such reaction due to cost and availability (pTsOH), reactivity and low boiling point (HCl, HBr, HI), associated dangers (perchloric acid) or simply weakness of said acid (acetic, oxalic). In most cases including mentioned ones, there is a combination of factors making them unsuitable, for example acetic acid is weak, low boiling and forms esters.

[@rayniac211]

So if I take dioxane and spread it on a surface and let it dry, it will spontaneously explode?

[@xdoods]

I'm fully convinced with all of your "synthesis from household items" stuff you're going to show us how to make meth for cheap someday.

[@NurdRage]

I say right in the video: i'm going to try using this to make another drug, pyrimethamine. :)

[@PunzL]

But meth is more fun though...

[@AnonCh4r1i]

Cool. Just be careful how you present it, as I'm sure your aware of the current situation with youtube pulling any videos that edgy or not sponsor friendly.

[@miikee111]

+CG Nurdrage is doing quite a service disclosing the synthesis of pyrimethamine. Check out the wiki for the drug, it's easily manufactured and grossly overpriced in the states. Supposedly $750 per 75mg pill. That's criminal and the owner of the patent deserves to be shot. Long time fan nurdrage! Keep up the fantastic work!

[@raifparker3990]

NurdRage will the vid be on VidMe, or are you not posting it at all?

[@jdecar1]

Can you separate the dioxane from the biproducts, (particularly the acetalaldehyde and maybe even the water) by freezing? I'm thinking of how vinegar can be concentrated this way, while I'm watching my dioxane freeze in the receiving flask as I'm distilling it. The dioxane makes beautiful ice crystals at only 50°F, while water and acetalaldehyde require much lower temps to freeze. My graham condenser froze up solid because I let the cooling water get too cold. Can it be done?

[@NurdRage]

ya know, that's not a bad idea. I didn't try it because i already had sodium methods. But freezing does sound like an avenue worth researching.

[@tyt0uoff146]

I've made dioxane this summer and stored it under KOH, kept out of light, is it still safe to distill ?

[@dommccrirrick2728]

I'm just wondering if you REALLY need the magnetic stirrer (obviously you need the heating) does the stirring make it better? (Please reply)

[@Ribo_Flavin]

What was the final turnout of purified dioxane?

[@krukimoto6296]

Nurd rage you never gave any mixture measurements like how much a it freeze we use and how much meta bi sulphate we use it sumfueic acid we use Would you by chance have the measurements

[@user21XXL]

@NurdRage can i dry dioxane by refluxing it with Mg metal? Could i get anhydrous dioxane that way?

[@mathbc1984]

Sulfuric acid is found in car battery as the main chemical.

[@rafaelpatriciodasilva2187]

Você poderia produzir ácido sulfonico,lauril éter sulfato de sódio e amida 60???

[@rafaelpatriciodasilva2187]

Eu sou do Brasil,e gostaria de produtor alguns produtos de limpeza para usar em casa.... Me ajude por favor,nurdrage

[@jaredgarden2455]

I dont think the carcinogenicity or toxicity of acetaldehyde is really something to be in any way fearful of, especially considering every time we drink alcohol we are exposing ourselves to it in quantities probably not experienced when handling it safely.

[@manuelbacha6023]

Hmmm, not a bad job, I would’ve refluxed the reaction before instead of directly distilling, you loose less reactants and the distillation is more accurate

[@hantrio4327]

How could you loose reactants? The ethylene glycol and sulfuric acid both have a way too high bp to distill off

[@jamiejennings7361]

How do I dispose of my unneeded by-products and chems.

[@alish5417]

why didny you use fractional from the begenning ,u DID but mqnipukated the cuts

[@mountiedm]

Whoa whoa whoa, i saw a side product that looked like a percuser i need for EMIM OAc

[@theMemesOfYourDreams]

what university do you teach chemistry at?

[@1000stjohnson]

What is the best way to dispose of old Dioxane when finished?

[@antejl7925]

Burnt in a bonfire incerator over charchoal coals.

[@Da1RiSiN1sMoKe]

Do you develop all these methods on your own, or do you use publications?

[@Toleich]

I get the need for multiple income streams but almost EVERY youtube channel I follow has jumped on board this Great Courses affiliate program. I become a patreon so I don't have to see ads, I signed up to youtubeRED so I don't have to see ads.

[@NurdRage]

Sorry about that. If you'd like i can send back a full refund on patreon. Just send me a message through patreon. No hard feelings.