Making A Bad Choice Look Awesome! Legendary Holmium Science! | 61 | Factorio SPACE AGE Tutorial

[@chimmy_jim]

I keep forgetting how good your islands are. All of mine are super tiny and I basically have to pave the world to do anything at scale. Great series, thanks!

[@Sapeidra]

I think sooner than later I'll do a "Pave the world engine". Like dedicated supply ships for Landfill, platforms, concrete. Dedicated construction lines on Vulcanus and Aquilo. Dedicated Spidertrons to pave the Worlds.

[@tgsoon2002]

Hope you can find once you go far enough.

[@szalyn8849]

There are no enemies on Fulgora so you can explore until you find a nice cluster of islands, then you place a space platform there and bam, it's a new centre of the world

[@chimmy_jim]

@@szalyn8849 Yeah I explored for over 3 hours trying to find something better and just ended up with a larger save file to show for it.

[@Mazaron]

You removed one of the rocket silo beacons when removing the lights

[@2010boredapp]

I m yelling at the screen 😂

[@silentage6310]

40:07

[@TaylorHodgsonScott]

Great episode Nilaus! I am looking forward to implementing some of these practices as my run as at long last caught up to nearly the same place :D By the way 49:30 I think you can shift+leftclick+drag to apply filters to cargo wagon slots! May save you some clicks :) TFMG

[@bigtallpaul]

49:59 The rate of drop transfer is capped by the number of storage extensions on the drop pad (or on the ship, but you have plenty there). Each one can receive (or send) a drop pod every 10 seconds.

[@BanditTech]

yeah at those volumes he needs a dozen more legendary cargo pads to be able to keep up with the throughput

[@Earthserpent89]

"That one, This one, Legendary everything!" - Nilaus

[@markpew8111]

Great video, really crazy to see the scale of these late game challenges. Back when I stated playing Factorio 1.1.x I appreciated how deep the game was. Now that SA has finally come, looking back at my 1.1 saves I just think how simple and easy it all was comparatively. SA is AMAZING.

[@elionics]

This man @Nilaus just hits my brain in a very special way.🤯 The space platform, with the vagoons and six lines of 12 different science packs, is the most beautiful things I've ever seen.😍 Just try to think about what's happening under the hood, the whole space fleet is simply amazing.🚀 Keep going, man!

[@PumpkinDog33]

I just said screw it and plopped down a 4 reactor fusion setup on Fulgora. I already had Aquilo ships delivering fuel to everywhere else. I know power is free, but it seems so silly to grind out accumulators and paint them all over you whole map to barely crawl to 1GW when you can plop down a little fusion power plant and instantly have 1.4GW

[@MirageGSM]

Not sure if you've caught it since - or if it even matters, since the bottleneck seems to still be concrete - but the iron stick production seems to be missing the productivity modules in the BPs.

[@RyanW1019]

Someone remind me, is the legendary Vulcanus bus supplied entirely from orbit? Legendary iron ore from asteroids for iron plates, legendary coal from asteroids for legendary plastic, and legendary coal -> legendary plastic -> LDS shuffle for legendary steel/copper? Will his legendary asteroid ships be able to keep up with the consumption of legendary materials to support ongoing production of legendary pink science?

[@xbenorwkx]

I built 10 copies of a legendary ore ships and Ive got houndeeds of thousands of legendaries,and ships have lowest quality quality modules

[@Nilaus]

Yes, Iron/Copper/Steel/Coal/Plastic/Sulfur/Stone are all coming from the Upcycling ships in orbit

[@IB_exist]

40:07 deleted a beacon accidentally

[@longshot789]

I did this same thing, just speed recycling scrap to up the holmium rate to eventually recycle supercapacitors for the legendary holmium ( and for the legendary supercapacitors and superconductors). The one thing I didn't know at the time was the full-stack-only output trick and I massively regret not having designed it around this. I've since won and stopped the run. But maybe I'll dip back in and rebuild all of that with the full stacks. That was definitely my biggest limitation, just throughput of the recycled scrap output since I was throwing most of it away for the critical items.

[@rommega5251]

Love the siries. Even if you don't need it you've missed the productivity moduls in the ironrod assamblers. Greatings :)

[@OccasusRaven]

33:08 RIGHT THERE!! Power outage! 😏😏😏

[@ProCto_Filya]

8:01 you can simply set in the constant combinator the items that will be obtained as a result of recycling with the value "-15" and connect all the manipulators with a wire to the combinator, instead of many decider combinators. edited: I forgot to mention that the combinator with manipulators should be connected with one wire (for example, red), and chests with manipulators separately with another (for example, green)

[@mrShift_0044]

wont it activate the moment a sum of items in all chests reach 16?

[@ProCto_Filya]

@@mrShift_0044 oh, I forgot to mention that the combinator with manipulators should be connected with one wire (for example, red), and chests with manipulators separately with another (for example, green)

[@Connie_cpu]

But you haven't considered, with recursive recycling there's way more products than I want to deal with XD the 1x2 gap will still exist in front of every recycler with that system, it's not like deciders are expensive.

[@VoidMusic824]

For something low-throughput like there where full transfers aren't really necessary, you can set the stack size on the inserter and the threshold to 4 and things will be cleared out even quicker and fully stacked on the belt.

[@Hlebuw3k]

Huh? But all of my stack inserters don't swing on their own until they have 16 items by themselves, without any combinators. Did they change it in an update?

[@CFHoneyBadger]

I was curious how you were planning on swinging this. Of all the Space Age planets, Fulgora has given me the most amount of trouble due to the "everything is infinite, yet limited at the same time" plus electrical/balancing issues when trying to expand. It's fun to an extent but definitely challenging.

[@OccasusRaven]

30:33 Looking Concrete recipe, importing it would be easier thing to do if u would have like infinite resource patches or mining productive so high that it feels infinite

[@eitantal726]

That's one good thing about Dyson Sphere Program: When you get to the endgame, you can infinite-research productivity to give you exponentially more resources, at a linear increasing cost. Effectively, true infinite resources

[@eitantal726]

Because of this, as long as you research, the available resources grow faster than their rate of consumption

[@onehandonglizzy]

I would imagine mining productivity 100+ and legendary big miners is as close to infinite as you really need. I haven’t moved patches in nearly 100 game hours

[@Kignuf]

Nilaus, you can't craft holmium plates at above normal quality because it only uses a liquid input, but you can insert quality modules into the foundry and get quality holmium plates. I've got a setup in my game where I build all the basic legendary stuff from Fulgora. My extractors and recyclers have quality modules and then I have many setups to upscale the 12 ingredients (some setups deal with several ingredients at once. I know you've solved legendary through asteroid recycling and lds shuffle, but I found that going the fulgora way was really elegant. I'd love to see your own instanciation of a similar Fulgora setup, maybe in a futur series. It's a great challenge because if any upscaling island breaks, everything breaks. Also I'm using legendary rocket fuel with 1-1 trains which is quiet fun ! Thanks for your great content, and keep up the good work ;)

[@Sapeidra]

@@Kignuf so you build everything 5 times?

[@Kignuf]

@@Sapeidra I am not sure I understand your question. Basically my fulgora base is a legendary mall which gives me all the basic stuff at legendary quality (power pole, inserters, assemblers, quality module ...), and basic material as well (iron, copper, steel, circuits ..) I've got an additional setup to export the electromagnetic science pack at a decent rate (~50/s)

[@Kignuf]

@@Sapeidra Oh you mean 1 time per quality. Yes every upcycler build consists of the same principle: build something and recycle it, so it required to build it at the first 4 quality levels if you are only interested in getting the ingredients as legendary. Sometimes I build stuff up to legendary (for instance accumulators).

[@itspooop]

Upcyclers are fun, if you get enough of them you almost don't need a sushi loop because you void everything you don't need, meaning your scrap utilization is at 100%. Which is honestly the biggest hurdle of Fulgora seeing as sifting through all the crap is what limits the availability of holmium.

[@Nilaus]

Fulgora upcycling is too slow and too unreliable compared to orbital. It is also way easier to scale in space i.e copy-paste another space ship

[@javierzurera986]

Legendary lights when?

[@Jonathanschwa]

Amazing work as always!

[@roadtrain_]

At last, a use for iron chests! Still, I think you should feed the recycled plates from gears into a provider with a stack inserter that then feeds into the chest assembler. Wire the inserter to the chest, put on a minimum availability threshold, and voila you have a surplus of iron. Doing it this way also allows you (with some clever placement) to feed the recycled iron chests back into the same passive provider. Which is fun. On another note I wish the tungsten and holmium chains were swapped. Because Vulcanus is the fluids planet. It's a real shame you have to turn Holmium into a fluid because otherwise making it from quality scrap could be a really interesting challenge.

[@nanomat920]

you forgot to readd the productivity modules to the iron sticks in your holmium build when you expanded from the initial one

[@marekdvorak7690]

I really wonder how you will make legendary every science cant wait

[@rhueoflandorin]

to solve the iron ore bottleneck of concrete on fulgora, use a platform in orbit dropping iron ore from the metallic asteroids.

[@Nilaus]

That makes no sense. Then I would have to transport it with trains to the remote location hence ruining the whole idea of making it self-sufficient. If I was importing Ore by train, I might as well import Concrete by train

[@heyl_yt]

7:30 they are fixing it in 2.0.30 version released few hours ago

[@StormCrow42]

That change will probably increase the stacking that recyclers can do, but won't leave everything fully stacked. So deliberately stacking from a box is still a reasonable idea.

[@user-zx3zm7bd5i]

holy shit, 52 minutes?! Nice

[@JacobMartin-l1f]

Awesome play. Though it might be time to upgrade to legendary substations and legendary lightning collectors ;-)

[@mtnygard]

We got the whole Theory of Constraints in 30 seconds at 30:30. 😂

[@cyberrb25]

6:59 I was thinking earlier about making a delayed inserter that would start destroying stuff if it stayed over capacity, and then using robots to transport what can be scrapped behind.

[@liryan]

2.0.30 have an update for recyclers stacking the scrap recipe.

[@bmmtstb]

In the scaled up version there are no prod mods in the iron sticks machines? Thought you wanted those?

[@RiotGearEpsilon]

40 legendary per second. Good gravy...

[@ohammersmith]

By using the same recycler to process scrap and excess item deletion, you’re hurting the effectiveness of your scrap productivity research.

[@Nilaus]

not if it is a multiple of +100% which is what I am working towards

[@JacobMartin-l1f]

Hey Nilaus, do these things like legendary EM science packs make sense UPS wise? Because the build producing legendary holmium plates is quite UPS intensive for that little output.

[@Digi4DD]

Am I the only one who thinks that using quality stone and holmium ore should yield a tiny bit more holmium solution to make us feel good?

[@LeoBOB89]

All I want is legendary fish 😂

[@4bootest]

Meanwhile i made my first 6 legendary quality mods and happy as Larry :)

[@Sworn973]

Not using super capacitor because of the over head of the green circuit, but then using green circuits anyways 🤣 Well at least it doesn't have the battery, complimenting the battery recycler is the annoying part. But then to make the accumulators.... seems like the super capacitor would be a better choise in the big picture

[@Nilaus]

2 main reasons: Plastic since you do not get enough from recycling LDS/Red and EM Plant produces really fast, so 1 EM Plant making EM Plants is upcycling more thant 8 EM Plants making Supercapacitors.

[@DestineysGuardian]

@18:25 you missed a box. NVM you switched it.

[@ramdamdam1402]

Why no quality modules in the recycler ??

[@tistelnilsson]

Speed and enough basic things for every quality do build the electromagnetic plats to then upcycle. I use Quality myself. 1,2M quality 4 solid fuel. :/

[@bobfast1980]

6:43 Why not reroute the legendary blues back in the same build? Would it not have a higher chance of creating a legendary electromagnetic plant if you used epic for most of the things but legendary blues? It just seems like you are trashing some of the products that will most easily create legendary electromagnetic plants and thus legendary holmium.

[@Nilaus]

that is not how quality works. You need the same quality for all materials

[@AxelStyler]

RIp Becon

[@backaddict673]

I'm confused. I am making different quality holmium plates in assembler 3 with tier 3 quality modules.

[@tistelnilsson]

50% basic productivity in Foundry.

[@backaddict673]

@@tistelnilsson I knew that. I didn't know at the time of my post that using foundries couldn't produce quality holmium plates, as I was only using assemblers to do it (which can).

[@norm2272]

Yes holmuim is my biggest problem.

[@zitronenwasser]

You removed the Prod modules from the iron stick production, increasing that might help Overall, it probably would have been better to just make normal science... but having all science be legendary would be cooler, can't argue with that

[@RyanW1019]

Eventually science pack throughput through the space platform will become the final bottleneck. Doing legendary science means you can effectively get 6x the throughput before you run into that bottleneck.

[@rlBrave]

Looks like all robots are constantly bussy in your holmium production. I think you need more robo ports to charge them and perhaps more robots. That should increase production a lot. Also the rest of your base needs more robo ports. Bots have to fly a long way to find empty charging points.

[@derekfordyce9]

I'm confused. I've literally been putting quality modules into my foundry producing Holmium Plate, and getting uncommon and rare plates (I haven't been to gleba yet) Random, of course, but it does process.

[@zncon]

It can output quality from modules, you just can't set the recipe quality because the only input is a liquid.

[@derekfordyce9]

@zncon it just seemed like he was implying you can NEVER make quality plate. To be fair, putting prod modules in seems like a better choice anyway.

[@krazzykid1734]

@@derekfordyce9 He was saying you can't explicitly make only one quality, such as legendary only. You have to either make only normal quality or use quality modules and then get little bits of all qualities, which is way too slow to accomplish what he was doing here. He was saying you can't set the recipe to legendary, or rare, etc, which you can't.

[@RyanW1019]

Yeah the foundry recipe can only be set to normal quality, but you can still put quality MODULES in it to occasionally get higher-quality outputs.

[@tistelnilsson]

100% more productivity in the foundry may alter the output speed / second. Haven't done the math compared to 4 legendary tier 3 quality modules in the foundry itself. When upcycling and wasting a lot of parts that 100% productivity may be way better.

[@SpasmAtaK]

Scrap and "normal" items shouldn't be handled by the same recyclers, the researched scrap productivity bonus bar is reset every time a non scrap item is processed and bonus is lost.

[@Nilaus]

That is why I want +200% then it doesn't matter, but ultimately it is infinite free stuff, so it doesn't matter much

[@SpasmAtaK]

@@Nilaus fair enough. I'm not that far in the research so it does matter in my playthrough, and most players too I'd imagine, so it's still worth mentionning. :D

[@lordhace]

I still dont understand how lengendary science works? Do you get more science in resheach or it last longer in the lab before inputting another science pack? Im realy confuse and i would apreciate if anyone could clear this doubt of mine

[@cthulhu8977]

Each is worth more in a lab. The following is an example, actual times vary by research level. 1 normal red science pack = 1 second of research. 1 Legendary red science pack = 6 seconds of research. End result is you can fit a lot more science / min on half a belt going to labs. NEW AND IMPROVED! NOW WITH 6X THE RESEARCH POWER. CALL NOW!

[@lordhace]

@cthulhu8977 Thank you for the example. Now i understand how the lengendary science works!

[@davidcrtalic9795]

​@@cthulhu8977is it costlier to make? Also, did he set a challenge for himself for not using bots with landing pad or why did he make that pad-train-belt contraption?

[@cthulhu8977]

@@davidcrtalic9795 Legendary anything is more expensive to make; by a lot. The landing pad >> boxcar >> belt he explained earlier; basically inserters behave different depending on what they are dropping onto/into. 2 into a box = full 60/sec belt. Strait to belt you need 3 to fill it. Just one of those weird factorio things.

[@tistelnilsson]

@@cthulhu8977 600% means 7 times the science, but yes.

[@Cicincz]

wait what? 1:50 how did you do that ?

[@droopy0093]

Deconstruction planner set to remove only trees/rocks and placed in the hot bar.

[@markpew8111]

Get a deconstruction planner(ALT + D then click an empty spot on your hotbar iirc), then you can click and open it. There is an option for trees/rocks only.

[@Cicincz]

@markpew8111 oh. Thank god. I mean,.. thank you

[@bladehunter8175]

You destroyed a beacon in rocket production

[@nswepp]

The newest update added a mod to fix the recycling stacking issue. Wonder if that's good enough to avoid putting it into a box first

[@mx2000]

It's not a mod, the fix in the game was just inspired by a mod.

[@sss.8048]

Skibidi unloading science packs

[@mrShift_0044]

can i feed you to Demolisher pretty please

[@tistelnilsson]

@@mrShift_0044 He probably got a railgun so easy kill :P

[@Peacetoeveryone95]

why aren't there dsp episodes lately? i don't know how are you guys more interested in 2d than real life experience 3d

[@Nilaus]

Nothing new has happened for DSP in 1 year. When a new major release happens, then I will switch to DSP

[@DestineysGuardian]

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[@robaus23]

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[@watvannou]

Man screw the lightning collector nonsense, just bring in some fusion reactors from aquilo and have actual uninterrupted power that just works. The lightning collectors are cute at first but its kinda jank and stupid.

[@Sapeidra]

Understandable. Yet I like unique options. For my Fulgora I set the capacitors to be emptied first and then start turbines from heating tower. Since solud fuel is basically free and it gives me the feeling that my water is used.

[@cuneytvural72]

Agreed, when you have fusion power , other power alternatives become meaningless because fusion fuel is so cheap .

[@tistelnilsson]

@@cuneytvural72 Still need the collectors so not lose hp on your build. With legendary collectors there is no bigger problem. Just a couple of thousand legendary accumulators. Myself use quality modules in all recyclers. Stuck with 1,2M quality 4 solid fuels. No lack of energy.

[@gcdani271]

Fifth🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@Harmneles01]

second yay