Making a BIG Set of V Blocks for the Milling Machine | Vise Jaws

[@artisanmakes]

Just to add one or two points that may have been glossed over in the video. Stress reliving is a complex topic I don't wat to make it out to be anything less. There are lots of things to consider with these materials when it comes to heat treating. What I will say is that when quenching under similar conditions, parts that I have made from cold rolled consistently warped slightly more than parts that were made from hot rolled. There will be many factors at play here including how well I was able to evenly cool the part, but I think we can make an assumption that the internal stresses of the cold rolled play some part in that. Now when it comes to heat treating and case hardening these in the future expect there to be some degree of warping, but if I can minimize that with the annealing, that would be fantastic. And that was the goal here, nothing more.

[@smashyrashy]

Dont feel like you need to justify yourself mate

[@KF-qj2rn]

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[@jrkorman]

"I never need to do 'X'" is always a good introduction to having 'X' appear as a task. Excellent looking work and appears those will be quite useful in your future work!

[@smashyrashy]

What do u mean x

[@jrkorman]

@@smashyrashy'X' is fill in the blank with whatever task it is you thought you'd never need to perform.

[@cedricathlan9399]

Hey there! A Blacksmith tip here, if you ever have to normalize/heat treat/anneal large pieces of steel, it's better to heat up the furnace empty until it glows a dull orange. Gets you quicker up to temperature, saves on gas, and evens out the heat better and quicker if you do not intend on soaking it for very long periods of time where evenness of heat doesn't matter as much because it'll even out over time anyway :)

[@artisanmakes]

Wouldn’t have thought that it would make too much of a difference but I’ll give it a shot next time I do any heat treating. Cheers

[@trevorlarson3984]

Love hearing Cutting Edge Engineering get a shoutout

[@anothermidlifecrisis]

That shot of everything finished at the end was amazing.

[@MrBanzoid]

Great vid. I watched Curtis make his giant V blocks. He has done some huge projects!

[@ShedBuiltStuff]

Regardless of functionality, these look beautiful. I think Homeless would would give them a quality tick!

[@toneault7499]

great job again. and yes kurtis is magic. im a retired welder / fab . and i still miss the work and smells

[@Bob_Adkins]

Nice V-blocks! My shop specified a "tooling hole" dead center of the block so the V faces can be checked for center. When the V faces are perfectly centered, you can use them in any position without worrying about parallelism.

[@crazynthree]

I never have to machine round bar. Also here's a piece of round bar I need to hold down for machining.

[@matthewmiller6979]

"Ambitiously lazy" Words to live by! Great phrase!

[@joshclark44]

That's some good insight if you planned ahead and put the spacing of the bolt holes for the two piece vice the same distance as the t slots for the v blocks! Would be cool to see you make those t nuts really quickly though

[@robertwalker7457]

Mate, this is great thinking and very good work, looking forward to seeing more. Thanks for sharing.

[@DD-DD-DD]

I like big V Blocks and I cannot lie

[@TalRohan]

those are very cool absolutely huge and definitely look the business....

[@lolcec81]

Комментарий в поддержку канала и ролика, а также труда мастера.

[@yeagerxp]

Excellent and informative work 👍👍👍. Thank you for sharing. Be safe 🇨🇦

[@CatNolara]

Awesome job One thing I'm kinda worried about though: did you check if the blocks are symmetrical around the key slot? Like sure, you machined them both at the same time, but what if you flip one of them, are the angled faces still in the same plane? If not, you'd clamp the round bar at an angle accidentally and wouldn't even know because you assume that the v-blocks are sitting right. So either mark the blocks on one side or make sure they are symmetrical. Oh, and one question: how are you gonna clamp the round bar once it's on there?

[@jonka1]

My thoughts exactly. It was left out of the video and so far has not been responded to here.

[@randomtechnician]

Big project for the small milling machine. Nice video!

[@hushedupmakiki]

The more this man uses a fly cutter, the more I feel he needs the one Inheritance Machining made 🤣🤣

[@bscoffeeandwelding7236]

Yes that thing is huge

[@Bob_Adkins]

I think his big fly cutter is made from aluminium, which I worry about.

[@williamweesner1191]

Man, that’s slick. Hope it works out well.

[@Quad_Awesome]

I hate running out travel too. That's why I buy it bulk, So I'll never run out.

[@douglasharley2440]

love this channel so much!...thanks. 😎

[@tasror]

Great video and set of tools.

[@shawnmrfixitlee6478]

Super great job .. Enjoyed !

[@donattolj9370]

Case harden EVERYTHING

[@Cretan-un6ul]

You bring peace into my mind sir.

[@philmenzies2477]

Nice work. Would be interesting to see how accurate you were able to get them by running a DTI along the surface of the bar @15:30.

[@howder1951]

Nice work, greatly expanding your size versatility. And a great demo of your fly cutter . Enjoyed, cheers!

[@bostedtap8399]

Nice set of Vee blocks, great addition to the shop. Spot on, ref stress relieve. New subscriber, best regards from the UK. John.

[@drstrangefart]

Dude I'm just happy to see the refractory in the furnace. Very few people making videos that I've seen use the refractory which is very bad for your health.

[@be007]

nice made ! cheers ben.

[@ED_T]

I usually use a 3 jaw chuck in my vise to clamp round parts, this looks very convenient though. I'll be definitely trying this in the future!

[@Beef4Dinner22]

With smaller machines, you can very quickly run out of Z-height, but for larger machines or operations that don't need a lot of Z-height, that is definitely a useful method.

[@ED_T]

@@Beef4Dinner22 That's true, I have a bridgeport so on most parts I have some room to spare

[@pauljcampbell2997]

Newbie question here. But how to you attach the 3 jaw chuck to the table?

[@ED_T]

@@pauljcampbell2997 either with an adapter plate to bolt it vertically to the table or on an indexing head horizontally. My indexing head can also put it on an angle

[@pauljcampbell2997]

Thanks mate. Much appreciated!

[@M00j3]

You provide free education based on experience, it may not have been 100% but it could be a benefit. Good to know, keep on educating my dude!

[@gonzos-twin]

Sounds like me dad, he taught a lot but not knowing a lot. Today we've rebuilt 15 houses, 2 businesses and a dog house for Mufasa our Rottweiler.

[@JerroldKrenek]

Kurtis from CEE it the one who got me started watching all these makers, i was 25+ years maint mech, but had to fab a lot of things because the tool and die shop was always busy.

[@joewhitney4097]

Really nice project and tool build. Great job. Thanks for sharing.

[@WayneCook306]

Nice Job.👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@richardmeyer418]

Very nice build. I am impressed.

[@trashes_to_treasures]

This is a beautiful piece of machining and a beautiful piece of video 😍😍 Thanks for that!

[@DunderOz]

Wonderful work, as usual 👍

[@gonzos-twin]

This Old Tony would be proud. You've done great work

[@camillosteuss]

You should consider getting some copper or alu or any soft metal thin plate stock, as in tooling plate(flat machined) for your vise jaws in situations such as these... Clamping a scaly part is a recipe for damage of the jaws and shit grip in some cases, as scale can be puffy and flaky, shearing off when enough force is applied, and it can thus allow for the part to shift, causing more damage to jaws surface... A 2mm alu tooling plate will soak up any rough scale into it and will not let go of any parts... You could even use 3 plates on parts such as these, where you place the 3rd plate over the vise ways, so when you hammer the part down or when the facemill hammers the part with each cut, the part is resting on a sacrificial soft precision plate that projects and protects the vise surfaces... Tho, i would advise a cleanup of the stock beforehand... All of my stock is either acid cleaned, neutralized with baking soda and washed in window cleaner or similar, before being sprayed down with wd40 and tossed in oil for storage until it becomes the body of the next project... Its a lot of work, but not having a speck of rust or scale in the shop really benefits the machines, and makes the cleanup and maintenance of the shop/machines much nicer and easier... Used car oil is a good pick for stock storage... you get at least 5l with each service and it practically encourages you to take better care of your car(dont get me started on benefits electric cars... i have nothing good to say about those)... You can also mix it with gearbox oil, so it encourages you to take better care of that part of the car aswell... Just wipe the part off with a rubber wiper and voila, a fresh, rust free part ready to be machined with minimal production of abrasive dust(rust, scale, other oxides)...

[@t0mn8r35]

Nice work.

[@BraxtonHoward]

How would you describe the difference of machining this material pre vs post anneal. Harder or easier to get a good finish? Stickier? Better or worse for cutter wear?

[@MASI_forging]

Great work as always.👍👍

[@rossk7927]

Doesn't using those as vice jaws over constrain the part? I'm not a machinist but IIRC 3 points of contact is better than 4 because if the thing you are clamping isn't perfectly round each of the contact points will apply different forces and can distort the part or simply result in inadequate grip.

[@Self_Evident]

Yea, in general, I think only one v-block is needed in a vise. However, maybe with a relatively large flat piece like that AL round plate, four points of contact might provide a better grip. And AL probably has enough give to even out the pressure at the contact points. But, I'm just an amateur armchair machining video watcher...

[@wmweekendwarrior1166]

Good stuff

[@65cj55]

Very Handy.

[@sidneyriggs9764]

Very cool.

[@robbiestevens1158]

Always great to get notification of a new video from yourself. Keep up the great work!

[@sdspivey]

Why not band saw most of the v-groove, then you'd have less wear on the face mills? Your keys are short, so you don't need to have the slot go all the way across.

[@Xplode1985]

@artisanmakes Is there any way to mail you something? I have some superfluous carbide tooling at work that i could give to someone who deserves them and you fit that category perfectly.

[@tas32engineering]

Holding large stock has issues. You seem to have covered the bases well. Good rigidity with mill also.

[@criggie]

Just wondering - did you use the hacksaw to separate the two V blocks?

[@trashes_to_treasures]

He‘s on the grinder now 😢

[@yeagerxp]

He short changed us, he separated the two V blocks off camera with a grinder😱😭☹🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@allanpowell7208]

Good vid Cheers

[@jeffreyschwab4542]

Do you have any intentions of relieving the 2 piece vise for the key? This will not only allow you to index the V to the jaws, ensuring they are collinear with one another in both configurations... but will make it so they don't need to be removed every time they are switched from V-blocks to V-Jaws. P.S see you for next week's video!

[@DodgyBrothersEngineering]

Interesting idea.

[@BartolomeoPestalozzi444]

Nice job! 😀

[@steve9484]

In future, consider removing the bulk of the material before stress relieving.

[@PaulSteMarie]

Do you not have a band saw? Cutting a big hunk out of the v would seriously reduce milking.

[@russtuff]

Very cool.

[@IcDave99]

great video as always ! What software do you use for your 3d designs ? Greetings from Austria!

[@2nd_bloxx]

He is using Solidworks there

[@artisanmakes]

I use SolidWorks for 90% of the stuff I do, its a great piece of software. But I occasionally use CATIA V5 for complex parts and Autocad for doing 2D drawings.

[@DodgyBrothersEngineering]

I still want to know how you got such an old head on such young shoulders.

[@BEDavisBrown]

If you clamp down round stock on the v-block will you be able to face off the ends or would that be easier and more efficient on the lathe?

[@artisanmakes]

It might be but I dont have a chuck large enough to hold this part on the lathe. This is 200mm and the largest part my chuck can hold is 140mm ish

[@markedevold1261]

👍👍

[@travisjohnson124]

Soft jaws to hold round stock ?

[@mikebroom1866]

You need a shop tour/collab with CEE. (I'm from the USA and just assume you live right next to each other. ROFL)

[@BastiaanEkeler]

Beautiful work! I may not have enough knowledge about machining but is using 2 v-jaws like this over-constraining the part vs using 1 v-jaw and 1 flat one? Or does the extra surface just add extra clamping force since the jaws are machines so exactly in this case?

[@DodgyBrothersEngineering]

You instantly double your contact area, but that isn't the main gain. The V gives you sideways movement control.

[@BastiaanEkeler]

@@DodgyBrothersEngineering Right, but would using a single V-block not do the same without potentially putting lateral strain on the clamped material if they're not perfectly aligned?

[@DodgyBrothersEngineering]

@@BastiaanEkeler potentially, but here is where I see issues... Traveling one direction on the Y axis you would have reasonable hold, but traveling back the opposite direction on the other side of the vice I see a much greater opportunity for it to rotate the part in the jaws, because you are machining in the same direction as it is being held. If he had left the steps in the face and had similar steps in the face of a straight jaw, I would probably feel more comfortable holding it that way. I don't think a face mill or fly cutter are going to cause it any concern, but if you started loading up near the flat edge aggressively with an end mill, I see the potential to turn the part.

[@DodgyBrothersEngineering]

@@BastiaanEkeler giving this some additional thought... If the part is not symmetrical, or if for any reason the bolt holes were not exactly right. i.e. not indexed to make sure they go in the same way every time... It could potentially wind up with less grip than a 3 point grip. If putting it on the wrong way around suddenly centre line miss aligned the faces, it would probably have less grip. because you could wind up with two tight faces and two loose faces.

[@BastiaanEkeler]

@@DodgyBrothersEngineering Interesting, thanks for your insights!

[@tuxedogaming5289]

is this jpl fountain pens other channel?

[@malteser0212]

You are still using the sharp, aluminium cutting inserts on the facemill, correct? If I recall correctly, you said that you used them to reduce the neccessary motor power. Whenever I facemill with old manual mills, I have excellent surface finishes with the regular universal inserts, so I think that you should try those again too. What do you think?

[@OWSNubbles]

A lot of people have more luck with alu inserts on small machines, where the lack of rigidity makes reducing cutting forces a priority

[@malteser0212]

@@OWSNubbles I know, but since he improved his spindle power and dampening, I think he should retry them at least.

[@LE-6920]

It's a very-very long time ago you should have bought a bandsaw...

[@asvarien]

Odd, heating me up tends to induce more stress!

[@dominik832]

now you can refurbish hydraulic cylinders that are too small for kurtis 🙂

[@Self_Evident]

Ummm, I think you lost the footage of you separating the two parts... So, was that an angle grinder we heard, or was it your hacksaw is "band-saw" mode?? :)

[@yeagerxp]

He short changed us, he separated the two V blocks off camera with a grinder😱😭☹🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@howardiknow1133]

It's funny how we all watch the same people

[@goodi1638]

Hi were do you get steel that thick from I am in AU

[@artisanmakes]

Offcuts from edcon steel

[@adhawk5632]

Artisan Edge Engineered, love it mate👍👌🇦🇺

[@ThantiK]

This is the first video I've seen of yours which I think I could actually classify as "Artisan". I'm impressed. You did something sleek and unique, I like it.

[@chimaeria6887]

Weird undercover roast, but ok.

[@nordishkiel5985]

Very clever design! Great work, looking forward to see it in action!

[@Bobbias]

Nitrogen is only one gas you could use as an inert atmosphere. I worked in a factory running the heat treat furnace and we used carbon monoxide as our inert atmosphere. This has the added benefit of allowing us to change the amount of carbon in the atmosphere to either leech out carbon (less carbon in the atmosphere vs the steel) or absorb carbon into the surface later (carburization).

[@kurttaz]

Fucken mint my guy

[@Timeonabike]

Noice

[@TheDandyMann]

1:28 i was just about to say this as a comment 😅

[@MrMaddox691]

lmao top quality

[@fakerfake1]

I was about to say they look like the ones Cutting Edge made, but then you said it for me, so now I don’t know what to comment 😂

[@paulstallings6910]

Same here. Much respect for giving Curtis credit for inspiring this build. Great job on these and the vise.

[@briansavage932]

First!

[@kuglepen64]

Engage safety squint.

[@pawekowalski7469]

👍👍