Making A Comeback On THE WAR WITHIN ( Plans, Intentions, Future )

[@vvt17]

Glad you're back! Watching your classic content made me realize classic is the exact opposite of retail - the leveling journey is the interesting part, and the endgame is when it gets boring

[@ThoGrey]

I love both versions. Classic is fantastic because having a piece drop, feels significant. Retail doesn't have that, which is fine, but a weapon upgrade isn't as big on retail as it is for Wow classic. I'd even say that WW Axe on Warrior feels 1000x better than getting your conq weapon as a warrior.

[@wyraven]

@@ThoGreyThese things are meaningless for PvP gameplay though. Who cares if one piece of gear makes a difference or not? You just want to play PvP and enjoy it. By the way the way Vanilla was just makes the game slower and forces you to grind a lot. It is fun to see your power increase when you change a single item, but it’s also negative for many reasons. WoW PvP has worse issues than MMR, first because PvP doesn’t mean only rated PvP. The most fun PvP mode is still random BGs. The problem with PvP now is that the game is designed for M+ and everything is so fast and full of AoE and CCs that you barely see your character or what’s going on. Literally you just know what you’re doing because there’s health bars in the screen.

[@ThoGrey]

@@wyraven I think you have it wrong, it s defo not meaningless for pvp in vanilla. The grind, hardship and "lack of" in vanilla makes that any piece you have extra, will feel miles better in both pve and pvp. About the weapon analogy, its the fact that in vanilla, weapons matter because of white damage AND spells/attacks with weaponscaling. For example Mortal Strike doing the Weapon damage + a number. Now everything is about AP or SP in retail on spells, making weapons straight statsticks, removing the RPG aspect.

[@wyraven]

@@ThoGrey What I mean by meaningless is not that but that it’s meaningless to have this sort of grind or item upgrade in PvP, it’s unnecessary. Today I feel like you only notice a difference if your entire set is full, that’s annoying but it’s more consistent because when you’re a PvP player you’re not concerned with grinding for gear after you are full conquest geared. That’s why Vanilla is very good at adventure and leveling but has poor end game.

[@faithdimmer4034]

I will be honest, retail is fun, I like it, I enjoy it. The cool kids can say all they want about Classic, I am not lvling through Stranglethorn again, I did that in 2005. I enjoy delves, the open world quests are cool, i like pvp, albeit at the mouth breather 1600 bracket. I like being in control of what I want to do. People think retail is toxic? Try dealing with sweaty mouth breathers who psycho rage in BRD, no thanks. I love your content brother, now omw to knock out this 10 delve as a beastmaster, wish me luck!

[@Corkeyw]

dude this is the way to play wow. i play both retail and classic and you have your retail and classic andys who talk about how their game is the superior version of wow, but i kinda just play whichever version of for what i want out of it. people love to stress about this shit and put things in boxes, but they kinda restrict their potential - what if the other game is more fun? etc. great video btw!

[@weaselgaming1711]

Glad to see you back to retail. We are very similar, i enjoy options and play every class. especially with wow finally being alt friendly for the working and family having player base like us. Since vanilla, im mainly a pvp player for 1 enjoyment and two solo experience. I don’t have real life friends who play anymore. I have kids and a job I can’t commit to a guild schedule. So the solo Q is an amazing feature for someone like me. But fix the q times. have AI healers, make dps little more self sufficient and have no healer options or in that bracket no healing debuff . Maybe 1on1 arena, I get balance issues on this, But that’s why there are options. I’m sure they can figure this out. World pvp should be huge, make players have a reason to go mess with capital city’s. I do enjoy PVE as well and actually miss the x pac where some of the best pvp gear came from pve making players do all aspects of the game. However the gap shouldn’t be extreme. This way no one has to no life the game to be 2% better. .In my opinion game has a couple of issues from the start of wow. We the players kill the game, being so critical on solo players or should I say less experienced.This game isn’t my job. It’s something I want to pop on play a few rounds then go on with my life. I don’t need no key board warrior blasting me cuz I don’t have the time to learn every boss fight perfect. I’m also a real one I refuse to download any add ons that don’t come standard with the game. So I’m at a disadvantage from the rip. I’m okay with that I still have gotten 2100 on my dk in solo shuffle in dragon flight. But truthfully the players being so critical goes back all the way to vanilla. I remember being a rogue in KOR back in dranor. Only reason I even got in is because my best friend in IRL was one the top pally healers. But even then I was on the B team and just wasn’t enjoyable, your one mistake away from being kicked. Us as players can do better. I’m sure I’ll get rip for saying that. But it is what it is. Happy Holidays to you and your family my friend.

[@adamkelly4308]

classic isnt for everyone, but the reason everyone left is still there, one week of waiting 45mins for a que and you will be back

[@ThoGrey]

@@adamkelly4308 still playing loads of classic tho! More than retail but I try to combine them now and enjoy for what it is versus what Id like it to be

[@alexkazuma219]

Did you really enjoy the game or you don´t have something ohter to play. for me its i still play WoW because i don´t have anything other games to play.....

[@ThoGrey]

I love WoW, I just get frustrated by things that are frustrating to me. Queue times, Mmr, those are the things that make me not want to play WoW. But the gameplay is stellar. I have no issues with purely gameplay and balancing is such a thing that is varying and changing, that it won't stop me from playing. BUT having queues being long, that's what makes me log off.

[@nathanbell6962]

you getting the ring on all your toons? And have you thought about playing FFXIV if you want to enjoy pve? Its less stressful than mythic plus

[@ThoGrey]

No, I mean, the only reason why I would PVE in WoW is to play WoW to the fullest. I don't play a game purely for PVE, even POE Or Diablo 4.. Is hard for me to keep playing long term. I'm a pvp-purist, but I give some chance to WoW and pve a bit.

[@TheRabbit68]

Why jump back into this game when your other videos go on about how you clearly hate it? The real strength is in walking away and finding other things that bring you joy instead of staying with this toxic relationship hoping that a bunch of goblins swimming in more money than you'll make in your lifetime change when they don't even think it's a problem.