Making a countdown stickbait with a flash.

In this video we try some experimenting with a traditional countdown stickbait. My intention is to make a lure that wiggles as it drops.
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[@EngineeredAngler]

Just to be clear...I wasn't just trying to get the lure to wiggle as it drops through the water, just about all my twitch baits do that. I was looking for a really outrageous exaggerated waggle. I'm trying to push the limits of the characteristics that might cause that. The thinner of the two lures comes pretty close, it's just Impossible to video with the fast drop rate. From here, I want to refine it to work with a slower fall. I'll keep posted.

[@thaddeus7300]

try to leave the edges square (not rounded) it helps with mine

[@ODU_7]

It's just a thought, but every time I make a new lure and try to exagerate some movement, I'll do some "actioning" in water like that: 1. after sealing for water 2. after adding paint 3. with different hooks sizes and placement on the lure!!! 4. just a thought but try again different method of building or wood after quite some time, the same lure. You will be surprised what you can/will find. PS I did a lure from balsa, pine and tilia cordata and all were different.

[@benrollinh526]

You might get more waggle if the front hook were closer to the body...center of mass...You could try putting a small rubber band on it. Also I think putting the weight at or above the lateral center line of the bait may help. It will almost want to flip over but the hooks will keep the belly down.

[@Franklinfishingflies]

Handsome looking lures! I'm gonna do some more foil lures it looks great with scales rolled into it. I appreciate all your videos and bringing fresh ideas to the table

[@douglasgoh3380]

Hey franco, Was wondering if Pine is a great timber for lure.. I bought mine online and tried to make a small minnow but it splits a lot while i handsaw it ! Ended up in the trash but i managed to make one crankbait yet not sure about the action.. So far I love basswood but it's hard to get in Malaysia...

[@riccardofioretti9743]

Flat belly, flat sides and the weight as low as possible, that always works for me. Cool stuff as always Franco 🤟🏻 Ps I'd love to pay you back for all the effort you put in this channel, if you want measurements, data or a clip of my stuff just let me know somehow, they do wobbles aaaa lot😁

[@mathiassigrist8019]

I'm working since several years on a sinking stickbait with a really fast wiggeling action. My expirience is, that the most important thing is, that it is as light as possible above the centerline and the weight as low as possible. Than it start wiggeling imediatly when its in the water. I do it with 3 d printer and just let an air space in the top part. With wood i would try with balsa wood and more weight in the belly. Cheers from Switzerland

[@bodeanholler]

I make one with a shad profile that applies the narrow belly wider back, but it's hight (distance from belly to the back) is greater, about 1 1/4" . The belly being half the width of the back. It wobbles perfectly on the fall.

[@wasntPete]

Another great video, everything is well explained

[@joehall5487]

You just keep getting better Franco fantastic paint job absolutely fantastic I am impressed my friend

[@EngineeredAngler]

Thanks

[@chadchapman5303]

Man those two are my favorite paint jobs I’ve seen you do

[@EngineeredAngler]

Thanks

[@pontoontri-hull156]

Another video with twin lures. Spraying on the black first and wiping it off added great depth to the scales and paint job. They look amazing and I'm sure function as well!

[@EngineeredAngler]

Thank you

[@terrywade7346]

Great job Franco. As always enjoy your content from Ontario Canada 🇨🇦

[@booster4470]

I really like that copper scheme. To wobble more while going down I believe a slightly concave body (thick at top and thin at bottom) should throw off stronger vortices.

[@EngineeredAngler]

Concave sides might be the key.

[@jmyhre7340]

That was a lot of fun to watch. Both lures look really great. Learned a bunch.

[@scottb4767]

Love the paint scheme on both of those. They both look so realistic! Thanks for sharing your skills.

[@pakde8002]

At 62 yo should my mind really go straight to "Wiggle" ft. Snoop Dogg? Wiggle wiggle wiggle

[@teamnappet]

I like the chopper/gold one.

[@johnrawls7166]

I bet the reds would attack that golden one. Cool baits!!

[@EngineeredAngler]

I'm hoping they will.

[@eagleeye9549]

Wow!! Very nice work...thank you!

[@EngineeredAngler]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@i1bike]

You can wrap hook neck with thin lead wire. Also melting the lead on the bottom of the hook. It will pull down the lure

[@EngineeredAngler]

Yes that is a nice trick, I use thin solder to wrap around the hook...works well.

[@tedlincolnsfishinglife]

One of these days I’ll run into you on lake Santa Fe (one of my favorite lakes and where I caught my 12lb PB).

[@EngineeredAngler]

Be sure to say hi.

[@inspectorbusiness4892]

Think in reverse! The suick rise and dive lure. Flat belly and flat back. On the rise it wiggles like crazy. With a count down lure...use a flat belly and a narrow spine. Mount lure weight highe in the blank.

[@EngineeredAngler]

Maybe..... thanks

[@joshjohnson3005]

It’s likely that the sink rate will be fast until it starts to wobble then it will slow down substantially

[@thegoods2240]

Lucky Craft had/has a lure called the Wander, that wiggled on the drop. I lost the one I had and never replaced it. I do recall it being fairly equal width top and bottom, and kind of flat sided, so my guess on why it wiggled on the drop would be that maybe it was weighted very close to, or just slightly below, the center line?

[@pakde8002]

Sounds plausible but with a lure that thin we're talking several small weights to get it up to ten grams, right? I'd think five two gram "rice" weights. Of course you could go with a higher density wood or cast the body with high density plastic. Maybe poured upside down with micro balloons so that it's trying to flip over but countered with the weights set as you mentioned a little below the center line. As if I really know what I'm talking about LoL totally spitballing

[@thegoods2240]

@@pakde8002 There are pics of them online, and some of the lures are semi-transparent. It looks like there are two weighted rattle chambers in there, one fore, and one aft, of the front hook.

[@pakde8002]

@@thegoods2240 thanks, I'll check it out

[@terencelawson3761]

I have called an onde onde. which has a very good and irratic action on the drop. I made a copy of it and mine did the same. This lure has a flat bottom, with sharp edges on then tappers slightly to the top as a "normal lure would. The weight in the lure also covers quite a bit of the the surface area of the bottom of the lure.

[@EngineeredAngler]

I'm kind of heading in that direction, flat bottom wit sharp edges, lots of experimenting to do.

[@ncoutdooradventures6148]

Wait!! You didn't show the swimming action! I'd love to see that exact lure in a mullet pattern. The shape is about as close to a mullet as I've seen, but I really wanted to see the swimming action to see how close it mimicked the mullet,, like when they're at the top of the water in the "shake" So if it does what I think it would, with the high sink rate, that might be exactly what I'm looking for to throw from the pier I've mentioned before.

[@labtrainer09]

Since you asked for input . . . I agree completely with my friend and skilled lure maker Rafal ("Such a Jerk Custom Lures," among the commenters below): I think that the fin you installed on the bottom edge of these two lures is acting just like the "bilge keels" that many builders of steel commercial fishing vessels weld onto the bottoms of their boats to slow the roll of these hulls. Essentially, as the vessel tries to roll from side to side (an action you WANT in your lure), the longitudinal keels move against the water, and that resistance slows the roll. But, you're the engineer, so perhaps you know a theory of hydrodynamics that says I, Rafal, and all those boat builders are wrong. I can tell you from working aboard commercial fishing vessels, however, that bilge keels work (i.e., they do reduce and/or slow a boat's roll). Like Rafal, I suggest that you remove the keel from one of your two prototypes and see if that helps a bit with the action you're looking for.

[@EngineeredAngler]

Trying to intuit movement of a body in fluid flow is tough one. You'll have to take my word for it... the fin increases the amplitude of the oscillation.

[@j.ciscaartificialartesanal]

Meus parabéns esta isca artificial artesanal ficou muito bem feita.

[@jackchien3391]

Maybe a spearing decoy for pier fishing?

[@SuchaJerkCustomLures]

Hi Franco 👋 They came out real pretty 😍 in my opinion the fin is counter productive when it comes to the wobble/wiggle... I was never good in physics, especially bad with the formulas and calculations 😅 but since I'm making lures, I can very well imagine how the forces are working on the lure, so once you're lure belly wish to go sideways on the curved line up, the flat fin works like a stopper. I'm not sure if you agree, but try one without fin and we'll find out 😉 all the best from Poland 👋😊🇵🇱

[@EngineeredAngler]

Actually, I know it's counter intuitive but, the fin is well tested. It increases the amplitude of the wiggle. Bigger movement.

[@stripermanly]

Very nice looking baits Mr Franco!

[@pakde8002]

I really like the copper top

[@stripermanly]

What was the mix ratio for the poly acrylic you used for a initial clear coat. I bought a can of it and going to try it on my own lures before topping off with the UV clear

[@EngineeredAngler]

15% water by volume

[@stripermanly]

@@EngineeredAngler awesome brother

[@endscreenlibraryforcontent926]

I making my first lure i need good vibres for lure you helped my alot, thank you

[@EngineeredAngler]

Glad I could help. cheers

[@mojondro]

Bro make the back of the lure more flat and arched and the bottom of the lure more rounded my measurements (because I make lures to)are 20mm wide by 22mm deep bottom narower and rounder and the top barely a curve to make it shimmer like crazy,try it out

[@surfcat2051]

Those look great and as always I appreciate the technical discussion. Would have liked to see them swim but poor conditions oh well. Incidentally, there is a you tube channel with the same name as what is printed on your shirt. Also a lure builder.

[@EngineeredAngler]

I guess I need to check into any copy right issue.

[@mitchellcangro1152]

Beautiful looking lure. I wonder if you made the bottom fin out of metal and used a lighter wood if it might wobble more on the sink? (kind of like one would visualize a falling hot air balloon.) Or some kind of hinge between the weighted fin (cloth around the fin glued into the body) to allow it to ocilate more readily. A weighted belly hook placed at the center of the lure might serve the same purpose more practically. With the added benefit of eliminating the need for pouring lead into the body. I may be spinning out of control with this thought excercise, so I'll stop there.

[@genedavis759]

I've had the same desire here in the Pacific Northwest for fishing King Salmon from shore. What would happen if lure dropped erraticly ?

[@porkchop817]

I think the balance left to right is too stable due to the weight being so low? If you could find a way to measure/mark the center of buoyancy, and place the ballast closer to that point (higher up than current location), it would want to "tip over" but could correct itself.

[@EngineeredAngler]

I've actually shown the technique for finding the center of buoyancy on a few vids.

[@porkchop817]

@@EngineeredAngler I've seen most of your vids but not all of them, I will have to look for that! Appreciate the education.

[@502deth]

what if you put a concave shape to the top of it? i think it would create more turbulence and also more drag, which would cause it to slow a bit. that was my one issue with this build, you wanted it to fall fast, and im thinking the more time its spending flshing/wobbling on the way down (ergo, the slower the fall) the more chances you will get to attract a nearby fish?

[@EngineeredAngler]

You're right about drop speed...but I was trading hang time for fast movement.

[@Nag.Nag.]

🙋 🙋

[@kunst-koder-werkstatt4425]

thats nearly the same like my lures,just another sice!!! i think you need more weight, that pulls the lure down. dont be affraid,if it starts to wiggle that will slow down the sinkingrate. and in my oppinion the v-shape dont work, i got the best movement out of a simple square/block-shapeand i tested allot... you got more volume out of the same bodyshape and size,so you can put in more weight,what is often very usable in saltwater,too. and at last make it through-wire, you are not fishing for bass... look at my video where i lost the monstertrout...

[@stanluresfishingtv7394]

can you send me the link on where you buy the stencil you used. thanks

[@EngineeredAngler]

go to my amazon store and go to the list with the tools and airbrush. There are a few choices, I used the Iwata Medea set most of the time. www.amazon.com/shop/engineeredanglerlures

[@genedavis759]

How does line resistance affect the action compared to without on the drop. Would balancing nose heavy get a more desirable result?

[@EngineeredAngler]

Typically the flatter it drops throught the water the more flutter you get.

[@christopherodonnell2375]

Probably shoud have used half inch wood

[@CraftsmanontheLake]

Franco, what microphone system are you using. Sounds really good. Mine, a cheapie just bit the dust. Thnx.

[@CraftsmanontheLake]

So, what model is it?

[@EngineeredAngler]

Go to my Amazon store (link below) and go to the section with my camera gear. The Boya is the one I'm using now but the Sony is excellent. I like the Sony because it has excellent sound and its water resistant. www.amazon.com/shop/engineeredanglerlures

[@i1bike]

What if you would make the opposite. Floating Countup Lure. Making the belly thick, and the back thin, so when it rises up, it flutters haha. Have you tried that ?

[@EngineeredAngler]

I've made crankbaits that will crank down and when you stop they face up and swim up....looks pretty cool.

[@i1bike]

@@EngineeredAngler Amazing action !

[@tamastacsi1175]

The center of gravity is too low in the body.

[@EngineeredAngler]

I don't think so, the weights are drilled in pretty deep

[@larrybethrowden2149]

? How would you make a lure that looks like a fish that is injured.. please get back to me on this

[@EngineeredAngler]

It depends if you're talking about the action or just the esthetics....

[@larrybethrowden2149]

@@EngineeredAngler action

[@AAE-cg1il]

Taller is better…..and get the weights as shallow as possible……….