Making a Gingerbread House with Estee Lalonde | Lucy Moon

Estee and I tried to have a lighthearted discussion whilst making a gingerbread house, but ended up chatting about alcohol and contraception. Classic.
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yeaaaahhhhhh thanks for having me on your glorious channel!

[@vee6442]

love you!!!!

[@HaveATeaTimeTalk]

Estée, you are such an amazing person :D I really enjoy every video with you! So open, grounded and nice! I would like to here about your experiences with the pill-detox in some time! Myself I haven't stop to take her for 13 years but just finished my last package :S I'm already scared what will happen to me XD But yes, all the bad things I have read about the pill have made me stop it now, i even suggest it has caused some depressive moods at the long term for me. So I look forward :) Greetings, Bettina

[@kimolyslager]

I just want to make a gingerbread house, record it and put it on youtube as "ginger builds gingerbread house" lol i am not even laughing at myself and I JUST LOVE THIS

[@kimolyslager]

also, i don't drink as well and i never have and basically i just don't go out because i hate the question "why don't you driiiink?"

[@Carmen-hh3cq]

DO IT

[@sarahaerens6521]

Amazing idea haha :) and i don't drink neither so you aren't alone :) I have heard that supid q a lot of times

[@Onbetween]

YES KIM GO FOR IT. You're my favorite ginger 😘

[@mkidd955]

don't say lol, say ahaha

[@RukayaCesar]

Judging by some of this conversation you both should guest feature on Hannah's Hormone Diaries! I'm glad you got to make the gingerbread house Lucy haha!

[@nathaliakinsey8113]

This needs to happen!

[@blueandpurple5467]

Rukaya Cesar yesss Hormonal Diaries and Fem Talk are my favorite series ever😍👏

[@aejlindvall]

Yes!!!

[@5BabyAlien5]

Yeah!

[@HannahAndersen]

i would love that!

[@AceGangx]

I think it's so significant that you and Estee are talking about drinking--or not drinking, specifically. The notion of abstaining from drinking is something I genuinely never come across, but I think it's super beneficial to discuss publicly. Each non-drinker has very distinct and different explanations as to why they choose not to consume alcohol and that is not at all represented in modern culture. Not drinking is simply deemed unacceptable and bizarre in our society and has led me to feel significantly alienated. I find it really insightful and comforting that you two are opening up the conversation.

[@lola_2957]

I see so many women talking about how bad the pill is for you and that they got off it, but nobody talks about how to protect afterwards? That's what I think would be interesting to discuss

[@racheljohnstone702]

Absolutely love this video. Fun and light hearted to watch but while discussing some real life and serious topics. KZbin needs more of this.

[@AkilahObviously]

Well this was just lovely.

[@squirrelalmighty531]

i love how casual the conversation is even though it's a serious topic and how cute you guys are i loveee it💜

[@georgiavinall]

so cuteeeeee and festive eeeep i love you two

[@xoscitancy]

So pleased to see you guys talk about the alcohol issue. Like Estee I'm allergic and it's so true that when you don't drink you realize how alcohol-centric social life is in our culture. People always question and pressure you when you abstain and sometimes it can feel quite isolating.

[@sarahsscribblings590]

I like the vehicle of gingerbread house making for those conversation topics.

[@tomchandler5907]

On the topic of 'lol' I still use it! 'Aha' just sounds sarcastic

[@Bayleebutton]

Doesn't it? Haha I'm always slightly put off if someone uses 'aha.' I didn't even know 'lol' was uncool :P

[@leaihrig7346]

Estees relationship quote opened my eyes SOOOOO FREAKING MUCH!! thank you lucy and estee, you made me happy!

[@amyg8176]

Stay strong, guys! My body took an entire year to get back to normal after coming off the pill. But now everything is good!

[@MissTimewaster]

Two of my favourite youtuber women! Genuine, mature (i.e not giggling like children when talking about things like contraception or alcohol etc), not constantly trying to sell impressionable young girls products. Thank you for speaking to my demographic (mid/late 20s), as well as being great role models for the younger generation too. x

[@lyrichooey3430]

I love how open you both are, in the youtube world it's refreshing. I too don't drink very often, and I think I'm still trying to figure out how to navigate social functions without making myself or others feel awkward because of it. One thing I've found though is if I just have any kind of drink in hand - a pop, a water, just anything - that people tend not to ask as much if I'd like something. If I am walking around empty handed though it feels like every other minute someone is going "Can I get you something???"

[@brittany3966]

Feeling all kinds of connected with you two right now between these two collab videos. Thank you both for talking about such raw subjects. As someone who has had issues with alcohol changing my behavior DRASTICALLY at a young age, and having friends who are on a slippery slope, it's something we need to create a dialogue about and I'm thankful you both were so open.

[@Agoraphobication]

This is so great to see! I'm 27, rethinking my relationship with alcohol, and just came off the pill as well after 10 years on it. Thanks for some insight into this, girls. None of my friends are doing this at the same time, so I have no one to talk to about it.

[@Lilyb3333]

honestly, I've never liked alcohol or going out. I find it so important to take time for yourself and liking who you are instead of having outside resources tell you how to live and function as a human being in our society 😅

[@cocochanel193]

I'm just impressed that you guys built a gingerbread house so easily

[@georginaj.m7056]

I don't drink and I get so judged for it when I really don't have an issue with other people drinking! :(

[@Dolceconbrio]

I don't drink either. Just stay strong, your friends will bug you at first; but after a while they'll respect you for it. And it's me they call when they forget where they put their keys, purse, phone and who helps them get home, and who fills in the gaps from the night before. They'll be grateful, trust me ;)

[@SillyStokey92]

I have a LOT of friends, many of whom are female, under the age of 25 who have alcohol issues but who are either in denial or just haven't ever thought about it as a "problem." I think they just assume they'll grow out of it. So hearing you speak about it, and seeing that you have had others reach out to you, gives me hope for all of those people as well. Good luck on your journey Lucy.

[@purplish75]

Fell in love with estee ! And her sweater though !! Gorgeous human being !

[@oliviabossert]

I can SO relate to the no alcohol thing. I haven't had a sip of alcohol since I was 19 for a similar reason to Estée in that it makes me incredibly ill, and makes my nights more crappy than fun. But its really hard when, no matter where you go, everyone says "want a drink?" and you respond with : "just water thanks!" and they look at you like you're an alien. Most people respect it a lot, but sometimes I definitely wish that I could get involved and have a bit more fun!

[@SaraSmiles1213]

this was so lovely to watch, I don't drink either bc my family has a history of alcohol/ drug problems so i just don't and I feel like people that I go to school with think its so weird so this was wonderful to see two young women talk about this!! you guys are lovely

[@liv91]

I have a weird relationship with alcohol, two people in my close family are alcoholics. It makes me super insecure and I drink sparingly now because of it. I never would drink alone and even if I have a specific craving for a drink when at a bar it always worries me that I'm turning into those people who have ruined both their lives. I think you're doing great Lucy and for doing something about it so young, is definitely a mighty step! Xx

[@cooperhawkins6092]

I love love loved this video. I am so glad that you both are discussing things like sobriety. As a fellow 21 year old who is experiencing university sober, it is tough and hard and not fun a lot of the time. Change begins with discussion so I am glad you all are talking about it and I am glad to know I am not alone in my struggles.

[@arainapeterson]

I recently got off the pill too...about 3 months ago. I've had migraines for the time in my life, really bad back aches, acne, and mood swings. I also hope this is just my body detoxing. Loved this chat video! 💟

[@gwynneio]

You two are so precious! I love both of your guys' videos, its nice to see you two together!

[@jindijoosten8562]

I loved this! I don't really like drinking and I'm always the first who wants to go home at parties and stuff. It's so shitty to be that person but I just get tired and don't like being out

[@AnoukLo]

i love the mix of light activity + super relevant talk. you contain multitudes

[@smRRmn]

This was so nice! It felt like we were all sitting and talking together

[@mebekaitlyn]

ahaha i like how in ur last vid u were like, i just wanna make a gingerbread house and not talk about heavy shit!, and here u are

[@MartaInCactusLand]

I so appreciate these types of honest discussions about things people don't normally talk about 👍 keep it up 😊

[@Nataliesheardown]

It's my 2 favourite people in one collab and this makes me so happy oh my!!! XX

[@saigeee199]

I just went off the pill a month ago as well! Never really realized until now how much it affected my mood, when I went on it I was pretty much recovering from the worst depressive episode I've had so far in my life so I guess I just assumed the random mood swings and getting upset and worked up about little things was kind of a part of my personality. Now that I've been off it for the month, I've been able to realize how much I've actually grown over the 3 + years I was on it and how I am a rational person :P hahahah. That first period though is absolutely brutal D:

[@yasmin_e09]

5:59 - 6:20 .... so true, wow. i never thought about that perspective. thank you for saying that :')

[@Catmix9]

I said this on Estee's video too but watching your collab's together just really make me want to get together with all my lady friends and hang out and be in each other's company. ugh! This was really nice

[@muffindolphindaphnee]

ohmygoodness ♡ i loved this chat thank you guys for this talk

[@laurenr6416]

This was so soothing I loved it

[@jenniferpetkovic3464]

my two favorite youtubers in one vid - love you both!

[@ashleamackertich6131]

Love the chat! Wish more videos on KZbin were made about such valuable topics for women

[@ryanmartin7513]

For me, the most annoying part about coming off of the pill after being on it for 5 years was acne. I had to completely change my skin care routine, get a retin-A prescription from the derm... etc. I have been off of the pill for 8 months and am just now understanding what is best for my "no added hormones" skin. Also, makeup that never clogged my pores while I was on the pill now causes zits. Apparently, added estrogen can cause your skin to produce less sebum, so when you come off of the pill your skin may become oilier, which is why so many people start the pill to treat acne. So my recommendation is just to keep an eye on your skin and don't be surprised when your holy grail products start causing problems. Best of luck!

[@sarabea4817]

reallly enjoyed this collab! such nice discussion together xx

[@beberoro1]

I wish this was longer!!

[@darlingwater-ev]

honestly i relate to that whole. ugh everyone around me drinks and it feels weird that i don't thing. i don't drink, never have, because of some Trauma with a capital T stuff from when i was like 15, but like. that's not the kind of thing you say to an acquaintance at a party when they're asking you why you don't want the beer they just offered you, and i always feel odd and out of place at social things cos i'm the only sober person there

[@valerie.magnan]

Already went wrong at 0:50. This is going to be an awesome video! 😂

[@AmandaSoapFan]

Aww don't be scared, I was like that in university. Around that age I just made the decision not to drink. As I hit 20 my friends were super supportive since I was on medication. Was still able to party and have fun with my friends. Now I'm 26, and consume alcohol on social occasions. But not a lot.

[@maddylee585]

i agree with you two--it is incredibly hard to be a young person (i am 23) and not drink. i haven't had a single drink in almost a year now because of the medications i'm on. i can't even count the number of times people have been shocked and then asked me why i'm not drinking after they offer alcohol and i decline. it's incredibly uncomfortable! i don't always want to explain my medications and i can only imagine how much harder it would be if it were for reasons related to alcoholism.

[@Rese92]

Loved the conversation you have, was like listening to my friends. Haha

[@kei-chwan]

I come from Essie's channel... aaaaand you have a new subscriber :D xo

[@juliapowanda9587]

OMG I have the same reaction to alcohol that Estee has. Whenever I tell people that I am allergic to alcohol they are all super bewildered and think that I'm making it up.

[@xoscitancy]

Julia Powanda right and they always attribute it to having low tolerance or disliking the taste and treat you like you're unsophisticated...

[@maryup]

you're so cute and real! I just found your channel and I think I'm addicted :D

[@levans7074]

omg I know what you mean about about migraines. I use migraleve which if you think you are going to get one, you can take the pink preventative and then a yellow tablet to follow up if you get one. It's so useful!!!

[@ellygoya]

I love the lipstick you're wearing!

[@elise4238]

THIS IS A COLLAB FROM MY DREAMS AHHHHHHHHHH YESSSS

[@julesd9784]

you two are so cute😍😍

[@lucyo2919]

Speaking from personal experience as a person who doesn't drink, I think that a lot of people just take the not drinking thing personally- like "wait, why aren't they drinking? Is there something wrong with drinking? Should I not be drinking?" and they're not really annoyed at you for not drinking, they're annoyed at you for making them second-guess themselves. Or maybe that's not it at all, who knows

[@chiaramoretti8612]

Good star girls! 😂 EPIC! 💕

[@seahorse7fly]

I love this video, you two are great!

[@amandabozian1859]

Love this. Great great topics!

[@taratasse9247]

I am 31 and have never had a drink in my life. And I have never regretted not drinking. Anyone out there who is feeling pressured to drink, you don't have too. If you choose not to drink, you are not alone!

[@sursur3718]

The idea of ​​a beautiful video

[@BishBashBecca]

Lucy, I am super jealous ... lovely video babe x

[@stargirlwonders3035]

Aww this video is so relaxing:) I love it

[@rubyosborne6181]

every time lucy says "hahaha" now all I think of is danny zuko

[@annakelly1313]

I feel like the gingerbread house worked really well to sort of diffuse how deep the chats were :)

[@BeautifullyReckles]

Estee me too! I've never met anyone else who is also allergic to alcohol. I bring sparkling apple juice with me to parties and put it in a champagne flute. No one knows the difference and I don't feel as left out.

[@Beccination]

I loved this! You both seem so authentik and I had the feeling that I was just a third person sitting in front of youre table. You didn't talk like if you were in front of a camera. I m thinking of some youtubers who seem over the top on theyr videoes and hyper quirky and funny and "omg i'm so weired haha" kind of talk. (Which can of course be very entertaining but..) You two seemed to let us in to a very intimate kind of talk. It seemed so honest and open. I love youre quriosity for finding out stuff and learnig from youreself. I always have these kind of konversations with people, nr one topic "how did I experience this or that and how did you experience it" I sometimes am afraid that I seem to selfobsessed becouse I love sharing philosophical reveals. But whatching youre Video of how interesting it is to hear about other peoples experiences with life questions and choices, it reminded me that sharing these intimate learning stages can be benefitial for anyone truly listening. It is very enriching to hear other peoples perspektives for theire behaviors, fears and doubts which we all share. Other topik: I stopped taking the pill quite simultaniously with hannah wittons hormon diaries. I stopped becouse I experienced great lack of motivation for anything, tiredness, stressfulness, angst and a big lack of libido. So almost no passion at all for anything. I imagine it beeing similar to sympoms of Depression. I actualy thought I had some kind of depression but then I decided to go of the pill which I had been taking for 9 years. I just wanted to eliminate every possible explanation for my lack of motivation. Well it has now been almost 4 month and I feel happy and calm and passionate. I have never felt like this. Yes the cramps are bad for one day a month, but thats a small price for new found passion and motivation and happiness. I can only recomand to everyone, to stop taking hormones for protection. It just messes up youre whole hormonesystem which plays a big role in your phsychological health. I wish I could have been in on your talk. I feel like we could have talked until dawn

[@CharlotteRyan963]

Two of my fav youtube gals. I've been on the pill for almost 10 years now and hoping to finally come off it next year at some point. I feel like there's a youtube movement motivating me to come off it! Also I still say lol.... LOL!

[@sakzitime]

i literally live in the wine district of south africa, called stellenbosch. and on top of this, it's a student town. so you can imagine the pressures of drinking and alcogol is everywhere. however, i dont drink. and like a lot of people started to think thats weird at the beginning but now my friends are realising that u don't need alcohol to have a good time and they respect me a lot (well so they say) because of it because they need it as a liquid courage kind of thing. idk alcohol is weird

[@AliceRed]

I've never been into alcohol either (just not interested in it) and I agree it can be strange to be out and about when everyone else wants to get drunk to have a good time. But eventually, you get used to it! Best of luck to you, Lucy :)

[@prittyyyy]

I love this video!

[@Emilyandthezoo]

What was your lipstick it's not in the description

[@Emilyandthebaby]

YES ESTEE IM ALLERGIC TOO I THOUGHT I WAS A LONE WOLF! I love you even more now

[@tiggythomas6287]

Emily Berrow same and I'm only 13 so I'll never be able to drink Ahhh

[@mophead.was.here.]

Its ok, i still use "lol" as well 😄 and love the video 💕

[@stripesANDpoints]

i only took the pill for a bit more than a year, and i am sure it took me more than 2 years for my whole body to get back to "normal". i think people have to understand how much is being changed in your body by taking hormones daily. so it's totally normal if it's not all back to normal after 3 months. i learned to appreciate the signs of my body though now that i knew that they're really my body's and not hormones influencing my body. it's nice :)

[@yaraa9351]

i use lol when i'm mad at someone, and lmao when something is actually funny

[@ellenvoyage594]

My partner is a recovering alcoholic and I don't drink either! :) Lots of love and support to you!

[@xzonia1]

Your gingerbread house is so darling!! They're not the easiest thing to put together, are they? Lol (I'm old school! haha) :) Loved the chat too!

[@Emmse12345]

I love this

[@destiny13006]

YES!!! I stopped the pill too and my emotions seem to be SO level until like two days before my period and then I turn into an actual monster. Like suddenly I'm so much more blunt and even mean and always aggravated. What the fuhhhh.

[@melissavillegas16]

After all, pills are hormones, your body is used to that stimuli all the time, so when you quit, your hormones will be at very different levels than you're used to so it feels way different in how it affects your emotions, but soon, your body will balance itself out, don't worry ;)

[@destiny13006]

Melissa Villegas I've been off for almost two years and I'm still a raging bitch right before my period. 😟

[@marina_starcatcher]

OMG I've never heard of anyone else having an alcohol allergy! My two older brothers have it. Their body has gotten more used to it over the years and now they can drink a little bit. One of them ended up in the hospital the first time it happened because the hives were pretty bad.

[@fruitoson4227]

I'm sorry but like Lucy's hairline is so clean and beautiful I can't

[@user-ql5jm1sl5k]

Omg you have betty Crocker chocolate icing, i need it now. Please 😂😂❤

[@alguedemer]

Hey Estee, maybe try to stay away from the dairy (I know, not easy) to see if the migraines go. Also, bruxism (a lot of people do brux) can trigger migraines, look into that. Have you seen 'Food choices' on Netflix? It's a great documentary about the food we eat. I loved it.

[@smyrahussain708]

Please make more videos together 💕💕

[@willherondale6367]

Bellin' ya!

[@mollscadman]

We do prefer a good gingerbread video more than an anxiety one :)

[@togetherinthisworld]

It's so funny you ended up talking about coming off the pill, because I just stopped two days ago, and I guess I don't really know what I'm getting into. I just started experiencing bad side effects from it all of a sudden and decided to stop to see if it will help me at all. I'm kind of scared now to see what will happen, if you guys experienced such bad effects.

[@Shortie070796]

I used to drink every night like 4 to 8 doubles and I would stay rather normal looking on the outside but I have recently stepped back and I feel like i have more fun when with people but I am being less social so I stay in more than I used to, I am 20 at the moment

[@CarlosGarcia-xu2cy]

shorty on the left though

[@laurenj8688]

Where is your stripey top from? it doesn't say in the description :(

[@EmmLee1111]

On the alcohol thing; I was shocked in one of my lectures a few years ago. Two glasses of alcohol everyday is considered being an alcohol, EXCEPT when you are a college student. What the heck, I don't get this at all. And I don't drink, but I also don't have a lot of social contacts any more. The social contacts that I have never bother with me not wanting to drink. But people will wine over everything. For instance; my breakfast is a warm meal, people are bothered by that. I don't drink milk and don't eat pig, people are bothered by that. But I don't give a fuck that they do, but they assume that I do. 😂

[@pictureswordsandmagic1243]

im a non-drinker partly by choice but also i get super sick after 1 drink too. Its so annoying being 26, and living in a huge alcohol-centric culture (i live in australia). Everything is celebrated with a drink and it always seems to feel like if you dont drink you are "not celebrating" or "im making a big deal" etc. I am so sick of people making a big deal out of it. It doesnt matter, and if you are judging somebody for not drinking i think i reflects more on you than the non-drinker.

[@lucyrutherford]

I think I might be slightly allergic to alcohol because I feel ill even after just one drink. If I ever start up a channel I am so keen to make a video on alcohol and my experiences a mostly non-drinker, but I worry it would come off sounding preachy because I have no interest in being drunk?! It's such a tricky topic because people get really defensive if you try and have a conversation about it even if you're not trying to insult or blame anyone

[@divinera_]

I loved this video

[@ryndesu8299]

you didnt put what youre wearing in the description!

[@beanhope8739]

I've never been on the pill and I'm about to be 20 but I've had mood swings and stuff on the times that I'm not on my period and just super sensitive emotionally and with really bad cramps when I'm on. I wonder what it'll be like when I do get on the pill.

[@RainingOMemories]

I know a few people who don't drink, and it's never weird, nobody forces them to drink or judges them.