Making a (Romantic) Murderer

[@ana-isabel]

Thanks to Milanote for sponsoring this video! ✒ Sign up for free with no time-limit: milanote.com/anaisabel Also, Happy (early) Halloween! maybe let’s avoid dressing as Dahmer for this one 🎃

[@spacecolon7760]

The Dahmer show being lumped into the LGBT+ category just shows you how studio executives think, they want a product with name recognition that will make headlines and reach a wide audience. Families of victims aren't even an afterthought

[@nont18411]

The victims’ families are just in the way of profit. Making money and fame has nothing to do with morals. That’s what they think and operate.

[@InfinitelyAnon]

Screaming and crying, throwing up even

[@TrashyBadBitchVivi]

That’s disrespectful to the LBGT+ community, they don’t deserve that

[@toothpastehombre]

When a podcast or KZbin essay is the catalyst to solve a cold case, it just shows, yet again, the incompetence and classist bias of the modern judicial system

[@ana-isabel]

preach 💀

[@noaffiliation-x8w]

Dated a girl a few years back and found out she had a Richard Ramirez fan account on TikTok and she genuinely looked shocked i was angry and disgusted. .

[@roxassora2706]

As a woman who finds these cases interesting, why do they have a fan base of women? Are they against their own rights?

[@bjam89]

I am guessing this RR person is not great

[@yezzariael965]

@@bjam89 He was a serialkiller named night stalker and killed 13 people. He was convicted and sentenced to death in 1989 and died while awaiting execution in 2013.

[@bjam89]

@@yezzariael965 ah, thanks for the info

[@maximus3869]

What was her justification for the fan account?

[@caseyw.6550]

I know this first hand. I (young white girl...not claiming to be attractive but I looked "innocent") was in jail with a Latina woman who got a 2 year prison sentence for the EXACT same charge I had. I was given 60 days in jail and no probation. So, 60 days and DONE. We were both first time offenders. Yeah, that was an awkward conversation. I've stayed out of trouble for the past 9 years, but I think of her often and wish her all the best. She has no doubt had a much harder road.

[@ticket2space]

When I was 14 I was sentenced as an adult to 5 years in state prison for a nonviolent victimless crime. I'm white. I was in court with a 19 year old poc who had 19 home invasions. Who left on 2 years probation. I get what you're saying but my experience says otherwise

[@caseyw.6550]

@@ticket2space You're an anomaly for sure. Research and statistics prove that.

[@teethgrinder83]

I had a weird experience in court here in Scotland, me and my girlfriend at the time (I was 19 she was 18-im now 41 and this life is long behind me) were both caught with heroin, bought it at the same time, picked up at same time, same small amount, both 1st time offenders-both of us had court on the same day but I was up first and received probation, she was up later in the day and got a month in jail and was sent there immediately. Both of us were in the same economic status and both white, literally the only difference was I was a year older and male. Still can't understand why that happened to this day-we even went to the same lawyer and got legal aid-there was absolutely no consistency there whatsoever Needless to say we were shocked, I felt so guilty watching her being taken off in cuffs while I could just go home Edit-i meant to say this-she's also the niece of a very infamous serial killer that Netflix did a "in his own words" documentary on but her last name isn't the same as his soni highly doubt the sheriff (name for certain judges in Scotland) knew the relation so that couldn't have influenced things

[@Icannothandleany]

White guilt

[@caseyw.6550]

@@Icannothandleany acknowledging my privilege

[@joywagner979]

Thank you for this video! I'm really put off by the recent push in true crime to "be more empathetic" to criminals. Yeah, it's a good idea to understand what makes a criminal tick. It's not a good idea to imagine they are all monsters who aren't like other human beings. It's also not a good idea to woobify them, claim "anyone could do what they did, even you, if you had enough trauma!", and insist they are deserving of not just detached understanding but actual love. We aren't all Sister Helen Prejean, and we shouldn't be. The expectation should not be that everyone makes a big circle to hold hands with guys like Richard Ramirez, Jeff Dahmer, and Wade Wilson because "they're people too, and we need to have empathy!" (Not even getting into hybristophilia, LOL) I consider it a misunderstanding of empathy at best, and even a full-on weaponization of it at other times. We can, and should, find a middle ground between dehumanizing criminals and romanticizing them.

[@ana-isabel]

Couldn't have said it better myself! I'm now just waiting for the "hot dude plays a serial killer in a flashy biopic" trend to die, 'cause hyped-up media like this really ain't helping us strike that balance. (Unfortunately I hear the next one is on Ed Gein, courtesy of Ryan Murphy. So... very cool.)

[@joywagner979]

Double-commenting because I don't want to hide this info in my other comment: Bonnie Parker was a sad example of someone who thought "he's a big sweetie deep down inside! I can change him!" Clyde Barrow really wasn't as bad as some others, and he did embark on his spree in part because of trauma. But that doesn't mean what he did was good, or even okay! He ended up pulling his brother, his brother's wife, and Bonnie (whom he did genuinely care about) into a mess that cost 3/4 of their lives. At some point Bonnie was disillusioned by all of it and wanted to get out. But by that point, it was already too late, and she was on the run from the law with the rest of the Barrow Gang. Shortly after, she was badly injured in a car accident and was unable to walk, much less run, away even if she wanted to. She basically resigned to end her life, horribly and prematurely, next to Clyde because the other option for both of them was hanging. Her poetry is all about that, and doesn't read to me like it's so much about her "deep love" for Clyde as it is about her regrets and profound resignation to their shared fate. Of course so many people misread that, and continue to propagate misreadings of it today.

[@ana-isabel]

I never read about her poetry; this is really interesting! And tragic knowing she basically wanted an out during the last legs of their lives as outlaws. The stories around the Barrow gang are just as (darkly) fascinating as how history managed to warp them into "anti-hero" icons. Thanks for sharing!

[@leetri]

It's insane how much the world and people in it will bend over backwards for anyone considered attractive. You can literally commit the worst crimes imaginable and people will still want to forgive you if you got the right appearance. And I will never, ever, understand the whole "I can fix him" mentality. It's a human, not an antique chair that just needs new stuffing and some varnish. Humans can't be changed (unless you severely traumatize or brainwash them), change has to come from within. People need to look for someone they're happy with as they are, not someone who they think they can change to be how they want. Lastly, true crime needs to be respectful and factual, especially towards the victims. I have no problem with podcasts or videos who cover all the facts and discuss it in a more educational sense to spread awareness, it's then basically like a more digestible wikipedia article, but I have 0 tolerance for romanticizing it like in these Netflix shows. It is ridiculously insensitive towards the families of the victims to force them to live through all of it again for several more years, all so some hollywood creeps can line their pockets. I wonder how the Americans who create/enjoy these shows would react if someone were to make a series romanticizing 9/11 in the same way, maybe they'd finally realize how insensitive and morally wrong it is to glorify such terrible things.

[@ana-isabel]

Pretty much. I can't imagine how surreal and mortifying it must be to see someone play a fictionalised version of me (or my family), act out the trauma we've gone through, all while some pretty heartthrob plays a killer whose damaged our lives, and makes the viral rounds online from viewers making thirst traps. It's morbid, and the people making money off these productions are creatively bankrupt hacks.

[@Brandon-g6d]

Women like abusive men

[@Mildon44]

Interestingly, this is the main point Marilyn Manson was trying to highlight and call out in choosing such a stage-name. How the media elevates these killers to the level of celebrities. I remember he specifically called out Time Magazine for putting the Columbine shooters on the cover of their magazine, saying "the media gave them exactly what they wanted".

[@toothpastehombre]

You really put the work in - super appreciate how thorough, thoughtful and engaging your essays are

[@chrismaghintay]

I can't believe you only have 67k subscribers! I've been watching you for years now and I always lump you in with the big names in video essays!

[@houseonsand]

Ana, this is extremely good. Especially given the subject matter you are working with.

[@rockyetsx70]

I am always impressed by the amount of research and thoughtfulness you put into these videos Ana. You can take a subject that I wouldn't normally be interested in at all and make it interesting and engaging. Top marks for a well produced video essay. Keep up the good work Ana.

[@fernandobravan]

I'm flabbergasted your channel has that much quality and so little viibility, wtf this should have milions of views... Awesome work on this, the video is very well edited, you even changed your outfit troughout it, attention to details HOW IS THIS NOT FAMOUSSSS, you are going to get there just keep at it!!!

[@ana-isabel]

That means a ton, thank youuu :) 🙏

[@lizardqueen273]

I really like Alan Moore's take on Jack the Ripper in his graphic novel "From Hell". He's not some sort of handsome Byronic hero, he's just a old misogynistic physician. Highly recommend, if not simply because it was written because Moore came across some book claiming to have solved the case and how it was some order from the Queen to erase any evidence of a prince's illegitimate child, and Moore went "This is absolute shit... but it might make an interesting story"

[@NickIzumi]

My father did ministry work to people in a Wisconsin prison when he was younger. He ended up accidentally eating lunch with Ed Gein.

[@Xendra]

Mating a Murderer

[@johnplayer420]

That Ana still hasn't blown past 100K subs is proof the Algo fell off tbh

[@ana-isabel]

Haha thanks dude, hoping the algorithm doesn't bury this one considering the subject matter 👀

[@lizardqueen273]

​@@ana-isabelAt the very least the algorithm hasn't buried it for me.

[@KarlKristofferJohnsson]

There is one true crime podcast I listen to. It's called "Bad People". I was already a fan of one of the hosts (Dr. Julia Shaw) after seeing some Ted Talks she had done. I hadn't really had any interest in true crime before that, but when I found out she was doing a podcast I figured I would give it a shot. And at this point I have listened to over 100 episodes.

[@meander112]

Engagement for the engagement god.

[@bretts7072]

Views for the view throne

[@RDawn]

love your videos!! Love that you're willing to dive into topics that are a bit deeper than the average long-form youtube topic. Also really love your outfits!!

[@ThatGuyYouKnowww]

Thanks again for diving into such a dark rabbit hole for this video ✨Media Literacy✨ is absolutely the golden phrase I think isn't said enough. More people need to watch Mindhunter especially the scene where Agent Ford breaks down after the mental toll of speaking to so many serial killers. Every killer they portrayed was nothing but unnerving and horrifying...exactly how they should be Other than that, another amazing video Ana and Happy Halloween! 🎃

[@rickbannan7110]

I wrote a satire article for a now-defunct (I believe) website lampooning BuzzFeed like a decade ago that was titled something like "The top-5 hottest serial killers EVER." Seeing how big the fetishization of them out in the open has grown, and in a sincere way, has been morbidly humorous (and very concerning!) I don't think the article was that good. I've had a lot of time since to get better at writing, lol.

[@GerroxJr1]

Always like seeing my your videos. Keep it up! I look forward to your next project.

[@nothingandnowherebuthere]

I like the shade you threw on Bailey 😂

[@CaptainCJ97]

Aye shes back!

[@indigosnow_]

incredible video, as per usual. wild topic and trippy to think about, will definitely be recommending this video to my friends.

[@ana-isabel]

Glad you enjoyed it! 🙏 yep, this was definitely one of the more... bizarre (and infuriating) phenomenons I've had to research 😩

[@indigosnow_]

Agreed, it's mad infuriating 😔 ​@@ana-isabel

[@ditayeah2625]

I never liked watching TV shows or movies "based on real events" because the ppl making those want to entertain, whereas documentaries are more focused in telling the stories (and even with documentaries nowadays we gotta be careful cuz sadly they wanna make a spectacle too nowadays 💀)

[@ShadowGirlie]

This is a very well-made video! Hope you get tons of subscribers.

[@rockyetsx70]

OK, I need to set some time aside this afternoon to have a watch through this, I always look forward to a new Ana Isabel video. 👍👍

[@ZER0H0UR333]

17:50 nice zoolander reference lol

[@Mallory-Malkovich]

9:29 Belva, photographed here with Aziraphale and Crowley

[@ana-isabel]

LMFAO I can't unsee aziraphale (which reminds me, gotta get on that new season 🏃🏻‍♀️‍➡️)

[@charleslalonde2324]

i cant see bonnie parker handling a Thompson sub machine gun at four foot nine

[@juggaloclownpreacher]

The only reason why I was interested in these killers at all because my biological father was a psychopath And I wanted to understand why he treated me and tortured me in the way that he did. I grew to understand what kind of monster he was because everything that I saw from manson to Dahmer There were traits that he Had that these people also had. It gave me a greater understanding of what kind of monster I had to deal with.

[@ana-isabel]

I think true crime media can be really good for this - granting us an understanding of what makes criminals/killers tick and what we can do about it. Unfortunately, I've also known people who somehow admired the offenders themselves and were endlessly fascinated with their life stories because of it... which is a whole different issue :/

[@juggaloclownpreacher]

@@ana-isabel well as long as they don't want to recreate those murders and psychopaths crimes. Those people wouldn't want to become one of there toys, i know from experience and that was hell. I still can't sleep good at night because he would come in the night and beat the shit out of me and my brother for nothing, and leave like nothing happen. He did that for 15 years of my life and that was only one of many horrors.

[@RepTuneRepeat]

Ana, you should watch "Bonnie and Clyde" if you haven't seen it. It's an important film. Many critics at the time didn't like it because it's more violent than most mainstream pictures of the 1960s. It was one of the first films to use squibs, so it's very bloody. Having said that, it's not going to be shocking to a modern viewer. It's a great movie that's well-directed, well-acted, and very entertaining.

[@charleslalonde2324]

John Norman Collins , the Michigan murderer , had a lot of groupies

[@ArianaCobriana]

a victim focused podcast that i really recommend is Crime Junkie, they center the victims and are funding efforts to help solve cold cases among other things

[@simonpelletier8047]

A new video with a nice cup of coffee... it's gonna be a good week

[@NinjaMan7759]

Got the video a day early 💪🏽 YES

[@mhawang8204]

Wait, the opening is just the plots of Chicago…

[@daniprohaska667]

That's what Chicago is based on! (Also mentioned in the video)

[@chavesa5]

Oh cool babe wake up new Ana Isabel dropped

[@A_Gib49]

34:43- Oh wow- that’s saaaad. Ju- wow. 😰😔

[@landminegrrl]

honestly I loooove the approach of Manson's bullshit in Tarantino's Once Oppon in Hollywood. It is fiction, but idk made me realize how he his followers were just pathetic, not cool, not edgy, but plain pathetic.

[@Hersheychocolate12]

Thanks for sharing ! This was really interesting video. I’m saddened to hear that Chicago was based off those stories esp the older black woman why there was lack of interest in her case - how her looks contributed how her case was handled compared to the other woman. And instead for the movie decided to cast exact opposite of that and kinda go away from that snippet hmm . I think it would’ve added some more depth to the movie even tho they kept it somewhat comedic and light.

[@chrisgannon4691]

Just watched Woman of The Hour, and think you’d like it. Showed the guy as superficially charming, but showed how quickly that wore off.

[@CaptainCJ97]

17:15 i remember this guy so many women were going crazy over him i was so confused you made a great but sad truth how you can get away with some stuff if you're good looking

[@TwiggyKeely]

I worked on death row in a men's maximum security state prison for 2 years before transferring to my current max security facility, and I have had multiple serial killers in my cellhouse. You would be shocked at the amount of fan mail and love letters that they get. Its disgusting. They LOVE the attention too, especially BTK, he eats that shit UP, but I don't know how people can be okay with the fact that he killed children and entire families. He's such a monster that his own family said when he dies they want him buried in the potter's field next to the highway on the edge of the prison perimeter, they won't even claim his body. But women love him. It's fucking weird. On a lighter note, I can't help but think about that Golden Girl's episode where Blanche is writing to (I think his name was Merril) in prison, and then he shows up at her house 😂😂😂

[@A_Gib49]

39:30- By the way, I watched the clip of this movie; its tone is strongly hyped.

[@nintao30]

its all fun and games , until you realise this aint about anime/fictional characters

[@PseudoFiction]

Put Ana in the rain wearing a trench coat and we've got a new hard boiled detective

[@MintyVoid]

the whole re-enactment of real stories has never really made sense to me. Its way too easy to forget that its real, since like most movies and media are fictional stories, so you're brain is just going to go into 'inhale entertainment' mode. Actual discussion around the topic seems way better

[@kuchikimakoto]

Et vous brasilienne?

[@gabrielmatthews8826]

I'm guessing you get age-gated if you don't censure the word "se_ual" ?

[@Aldurtz]

Yeah, the last minute call to Stephanie Soo only proves you haven’t watched her content in a loooong time, which weights down the rest of your research, such a shame. The mokbangs only show when she is retelling a book, show, movie or online story. The true crime channel does not use the mokbang and each episode they donate to a different ngo.

[@DoomyRei]

Sup

[@ameliamorris8498]

Love the video but i can't help but cringe a bit at Ana calling out Bailey Sarian's Murder Mystery & Makeup series for doing her makeup so she's not staring into the camera while she talks, while wearing costumes in her videos too? Bailey's "get 👏 better 👏 role 👏 models" is exactly this video 😅

[@Crouteceleste]

It's getting difficult to get real information about those killers that isn't thirsting on them, it's disgusting. I love fictional serial killers (my favorite being Dexter and Lecter) because they are an outlet for the darkest corners of my imagination but I absolutely despise real ones. I'd like to learn about their crimes though, so I can speak with the people I know who are fans of these true crime shows. I've read a book about most of them but since it was written by a would-be celebrity who was revealed to be a pathological liar (for real), I am not sure anything I've read in this book is true. I think most people forget there are real victims who have been massacred and mutilated by those men, they are NOT plot points. Any advice for down-to-earth podcasts or books which aren't sensationalizing those murderers ?