Making of Walking with Monsters 2/2

[@justnoah2073]

Life before life before dinosaurs: Walking with single cell organisms

[@elliottknifton8902]

Before life: Walking With Rocks

[@paleoph6168]

@@elliottknifton8902 before earth: floating with stars

[@CarsenStrange]

@@paleoph6168 before stars:just atoms

[@Algeriawindows69]

@@CarsenStrange before atoms: floating with quarks

[@swssm4741]

Before quarks existing with energy

[@Ornitholestes1]

0:49 That guy is upset about dinosaurs being shown marking their territory with urine…I’m just upset he acts as though _Postosuchus_ is a dinosaur

[@extraordinarytv5451]

For real. I mean he's literally offended by animals being able to pee? or that they can have more than one color?? There's an obvious reason why he's some idiot reporter and not a scientist. Paleotologists don't like speculation but to infer that one group of animals couldn't pee or have multiple colors for no apparent reason when that would make their lives unessecarily more complex and hard is the very definition of unreasonable amounts of speculation. But then again there's always one guy who insists he knows better than the people who studied it even if they can't tell the difference between a land croc, a pterosaur, and a two legged T.Rex.

[@Ornitholestes1]

@@extraordinarytv5451 Well I have to say that the criticism of the point is warranted, because neither birds nor crocodiles excrete urine in this manner, so non-avian dinosaurs likely didn’t either. Both groups have a cloaca (and we have some direct fossil evidence for non-avian dinosaurs having cloacae too, namely in _Psittacosaurus_), meaning the digestive and excretory wastes get expelled together. While crocodiles do produce urine, they do not "pee" in the traditional sense.. So _Postosuchus_, being on the crocodile-stem-lineage, would likely not have peed in the way shown there either. But of course the journalist undercuts his own valid criticism by accompanying it by a claim at least as eggregiously wrong as the one he’s decrying, namely lumping _Postosuchus_ in with dinosaurs. As for actual dinosaurs, birds, they do not pee either, they don’t even excrete urine, but uric acid (that’s the white stuff in bird poop). I’m not aware of any direct lines of evidence for the chemism of excretion in non-avian dinosaurs; as far as I’m aware, the uric acid excretion of birds is a weight-saving adaptation for flight (you do not want to carry around a bladder full of dilute urine when you fly, so you excrete much more concentrated uric acid), and it may well be that all or most non-flying archosaurs more closely resembled crocodiles in excreting more dilute urine, but even so, it would be through the cloaca, together with the feces, and it’s doubtful whether you would have seen them expel solely urine like a mammal does (mammals do, after all, have a separate body opening precisely for that purpose). So the criticism leveled against peeing dinosaurs would also be warranted, if only there were actual peeing dinosaurs in the programme. But as far as I recall, the only instance of an animal peeing on screen in WWD is that _Postosuchus_ in the first episode, not any actual dinosaur. As for "different colours", that criticism is total bonkers. Birds and crocodiles are both tetrachromates with excellent colour vision. Non-avian dinosaurs likely had good colour vision too in most cases, as well as the necessary prerequisites for displaying a variety of colours including ones not possible for mammals (such as green or irridescent blues and blacks that rely on stiff scales or feathers because they are structural and not based on pigments). Literally everything points to colourful dinosaurs. Even mammals are frequently quite colourful (certainly at least as colourful as the dinosaurs shown in WWD, if not more so), and most mammals can’t even see colour (with diurnal monkeys, such as us, being one of the rare exceptions). Personally I don’t know any paleontologists who would agree with his statement. One can debate about how much colour makes sense for any particular dinosaur, but generally claiming that colourful dinosaurs are implausible or unscientific and having the balls to publicly proclaim that as a science journalist, that is actually quite preposterous. I personally couldn’t care less about his personal qualifications, if he were doing good science journalism. I think basically anyone can do that as long as they have the prerequisite interest and motivation to put in the necessary reading, and the prerequisite honesty and modesty. Sadly there are a lot of bad science journalists out there on both ends of the spectrum, those who ignore what the research is saying and blow it up, and those who erraneously imagine they are speaking on behalf of researchers if they go around making unfair or misleading criticism of other peoples hard work. Obviously WWD is deeply flawed on many accounts on a scientific level, but I think the people who made it put in a lot more work and effort to make an authentic portrayal of these animals and foster interest in them than the journalist who doesn’t even seem to know _Postosuchus_ is not a dinosaur-something he would have known if only he had paid attention to the series he was so vocally critiquing, because despite all its flaws it certainly did point that out, along with numerous other basic pieces of knowledge that I wish science journalists like that guy knew. As for speculation, I wouldn't say it’s generally correct to say that paleontologists don’t like it. The important thing to realize is that advocating against a hypothesis also constitutes a hypothesis. You explain this quite correctly with regard to peeing, even if there are some problems with the way it is shown in WWD; often uneducated people just looking for something to criticize will readily jump at anything they perceive as being too speculative, while themselves engaging in much less parsimonious speculation as a result. Take colour for example. Wich is more likely? That some dinosaurs were brightly coloured, or that all dinosaurs without exception lacked bright colours (even though it is a fact that a very large share of extant dinosaurs is brightly coloured)? The answer I think is obvious to both of us, but I think it either didn’t cross that journalist’s mind (in which case that’s a bad sign for his ability to do his job), or he was too intellectually dishonest to admit that it did (in which case he had the ability, but not the will to do his job properly), maybe in order to generate some attention-grabbing negative headline. It’s always easier to criticize someone else’s work (which of course is never perfect) than to produce something creative (or scientific) of one’s own. I for my part have heard countless different very valid points of criticism of WWD on scientific grounds from other paleontologists, but interestingly enough those two (excretion and colours) were never among them. If anything the general consensus would be that dinosaurs could stand to be quite a bit MORE colourful than shown in WWD, not less.

[@BigCheese7]

I love the coelophysis on the skateboard

[@stegotyranno4206]

1:44 made my day

[@globidenz2447]

hi lol

[@marcopohl4875]

Being german, I can confirm that Beasts and Monsters were more popular than Dinosaurs around here, I've never watched the original as a kid (recently made up for that mistake) but the other two were a big part of my childhood, with the gorgonopsid still being my favorite prehistoric animal. I really wish there were more documentaries that focus on prehistory outside of ice age and dinosaurs like that.

[@Vulcano7965]

walking with beasts was probably more popular here because it featured the Messel Lagerstätte in its first episode.

[@ArtemyMalchuk]

As a russian, I shall say that the craze waned after Beasts, so much that Monsters TV airplay and DVD didn't even feature Nikolay Drozdov, a well-known Russian zoologist who narrated the previous two series, but some random guy instead.

[@pbh9195]

They should reboot the walking with series with updated information.

[@megaponful]

IMA GONNA SKATE ON MY DINOSAUR SKATEBOARD!

[@isaacleillhikar4566]

I like the fact that French call it "Walking With ..." Same as Star Wars, they don't say La Guerre des Étoiles when they talk, though it's translated on the title when you buy it in French. And they don't call this "Sur la terre des Dinosaures" chatting I noticed.

[@daliborjovanovic510]

0:12 was that really worth dignifying with a response?

[@justnoah2073]

I believe in God. And I still believe in evolution. The universe is over 13 billion years old. Earth is 4 billion years old. Life has been around and evolving for 3.5 billion years. Multicellular life has been around for 600 million years. We have been around for for only a few thousand years.

[@paleoph6168]

@@justnoah2073 Nice. 👍

[@danielquinonez2735]

@@justnoah2073 👍

[@CarsenStrange]

@@justnoah2073 👍

[@Ujjwalkumar-je3me]

@@justnoah2073 Bro Why aren't their more people like you. Why Do I get Dickheads On the internet so much🤔

[@Araanor]

can't wait for Prehistoric planet

[@georgebendall7401]

My favorite new creature in Walking With Monsters is Dimetrodon because it's got the sail on it's back and it was not a dinosaur but a mammal like reptile

[@TheWuailson]

"viewers are intelligent" Yet they are still believing mermaids are real because of a tv show. Also, people still ask me if dragons truly exist, you now, because of that other tv show. And please do not get me started on the surviving Megalodon thing...

[@justnoah2073]

You must just hang around a group of dumb people.

[@OctoAri]

When I was a kid I used to think The Last Dragon was real lol. As I grew older I remembered seeing a scientist guy talking to me about dragons in a documentary like setting and I swore that the documentary was real and that this scientist guy had found plausible evidence. When I eventually rediscovered the video, I realized that it was just a fun thought experiment into what it’d take to make dragons real. So just playing devils advocate, but maybe those people who are asking you about dragons are people like me who originally saw the film as kids and remember it as a vague fever dream of plausibility?

[@gutt2528]

People really believed that there are Wildlings on Iceland because they saw it on Game of thrones

[@anjo1726]

It must be an American thing lol

[@kernowpictures2002]

You still don’t get it there are clever and stupid people in the world.

[@pablosaurusrex2003]

Why Kenneth Branagh didn't make once again narration on this special as he did in previous programs like walking with dinosaurs or beasts?

[@isaacleillhikar4566]

Maybe because it is a process that produces a lot of excess fatigue.

[@nittygritty7034]

Nice video!

[@karenlouks3480]

Bravo!!!!!!!!

[@BigBoiFobbs2011]

Nice

[@christophersnedeker2065]

I'd imagine young earth creationists would be used to their ideas not being presented as fact in the media.

[@globidenz2447]

yeah ikr?? probably just some creationist mag or online blog page made a review, and they mention it in a way that made it sound like they got "backlash" LOL

[@PabloLaraPaleo]

I love the reference of Debussy´s Clair de Lune

[@daltonknott7]

10:41 diictodon

[@charlyluevano8436]

Why didn't they talk about chased by dinosaurs, sea monsters, and prehistoric park, aren't those documentary mini serieses part of the walking with trilogy too?

[@brewtroll]

Walking with Creationists

[@kR-qj7rw]

walking in utah

[@lukeskywalkerjediknight2125]

brewtroll no plz don't disrespect the "walking with series"

[@paleoph6168]

Yeah, don't disrespect the series like that.

[@grasimpson]

does anyone know the name of the music played at the end?

[@zerindo8693]

It's Clair de Lune but a remix I think

[@maxcarson667]

I wish I could find this exact remix

[@maxcarson667]

Angelica by Lamb

[@1950dallas]

Narrator KENNETH BRANAGH Dubbing Mixer BOB JACKSON

[@Alma-vs3tz]

Imanol Lopez Romero: 7:22 Mesothelae kill Petrolacosaurus

[@darklordtheghostemperor5313]

11:06 that lady is a sexy beauty

[@theotheagendashill818]

darklord the ghost emperor hell yea she is

[@tm43977]

Should they call walking with Prehistoric Life

[@defaulttheropod3670]

0:20

[@leptictidium1055]

and do you know what a leptictidium is

[@lachlanmacarthur8992]

Can someone link me to the soundtrack at the end?

[@theveeker6483]

The piano bit? It's clair de lune

[@reconbravo104]

Angelica by Lamb

[@maxcarson667]

@@reconbravo104 GOD BLESS YOU! I’ve been looking for it for years!

[@AaronAlert77]

@@maxcarson667 me too

[@miakoda5414]

The guy complaining about speculative anatomy annoys me

[@extraordinarytv5451]

For real. I mean he's literally offended by animals being able to pee? or that they can have more than one color?? There's an obvious reason why he's some idiot reporter and not a scientist. Paleotologists don't like speculation but to infer that one group of animals couldn't pee or have multiple colors for no apparent reason when that would make their lives unessecarily more complex and hard is the very definition of unreasonable amounts of speculation. But then again there's always one guy who insists he knows better than the people who studied it even if they can't tell the difference between a land croc, a pterosaur, and a two legged T.Rex.

[@siddharthiyer1194]

"walking with dinosaurs favored Darwin’s theory of evolution over the Biblical account of creation" yeah, no fucking shit.

[@MysticSapphireRose]

It's funny how creationists seem to think that their 2000 year old, outdated book where snakes can talk and a zombie is the son of god.. yet somehow fossil records, carbon dating and scientific facts are invalid. LOL

[@billstone5884]

And how some think the Earth is only 6,000 years old

[@louisbogli1804]

Sure, it sounds crazy, but : 1. Carbon data was set by men. It’s not a nature fact (like plants producing oxygen), it’s a calcul system whose a pure human creation. It’s like numbers and mathematics. They don’t exist from the begining. It’s an invention and law. 2. Earth is not 5’000 years or 6’000 years old. It existed from a really long time, but it hadn’t any vegetation, water or even life. Rocky and dark. Life came later. 3. There is tousand of bonds between the science and the bible (for exemple, the bible says that the earth was once only one continent, like the science says).

[@leptictidium1055]

they did it not bad at al you don't think abut how you wold suck