MAKING POISONED ART TO PUNISH AI THIEVES

[@LavenderTowne]

hey guys! thank you for the incredible support on this video! wanted to answer some frequent comments down here~ Q: Does Nightshade/Glaze cost money? A: No, it is free, however it does require a compatible GPU on Windows. Q: Won't the scrapers just find a way around this? A: Yes, but just like anti-virus technology, Glaze and Nightshade are constantly being updated and improved. Every attack on Glaze/Nightshade ends up with a better, stronger version of it. Q: This doesn't work bc scrapers will find a way to detect it and remove any poisoned images! A: That would be a good outcome as well, that would mean Nightshaded images will not end up training the AI after all! Q: This doesn't work bc scrapers will blur out the poison and AI re-upscale the image! A: Any attempt to remove the artifacts Nightshade adds also removes good image info that the scrapers are looking for. If they 1: notice that the image is poisoned, which is an if, and 2: put in the computing power to try to deglaze or remove poison, they are also compromising the information they're trying to scrape. Either way, the images are much less useful to the generator, and its more expensive for them. Q: AI scraping is fair use, not stealing! A: So far, it's looking like the law doesn't agree with you on that. www.theartnewspaper.com/2024/08/15/us-artists-score-victory-in-landmark-ai-copyright-case Q: AI is inevitable! Stop resisting, you simple artist! In one year this technology will be a cyberpunk god and you will be a wage slave!!!!111! A: Okay, chill out with the villain monologues. People said the same thing when artists complained about NFTs, that they'd just be a part of our lives and we could opt in or get steamrolled, and guess what actually happened? Let's just say I'm glad I didn't put a down payment on some epic apes.

[@vaelegoro7782]

Ai take from videos like this one too

[@ZimaNoMori]

I fully support this, we don't need AI. It's so... false.

[@okami_kamkam]

Question Can this work with ClipArt Studio?

[@fionnaandcakecosplay]

@@LavenderTowne thanks for technicality answering my question!

[@WilliamBrowning]

Fight AI with prejudice and fire.

[@Evinstarlight]

One thing I dislike about ai is the amount of it infecting pinterest, like if I look up a haircut I want a picture of a real person, not an ai picture with questionable physics?

[@Maddie_mumbo]

Same.

[@pontikos_XD]

When my dad was showing me a bunch of ai shit to draw and I had to explain what ai is 😮‍💨

[@InvasionAnimation]

I looked up fungus on lemons the other day, and so many images generated by ai. I have no idea why anyone would even generate that. Most of them ended up looking like grapefruits.

[@undeniablySomeGuy]

I hate looking up refs and needing to add -ai -diffusion etc so i cant learn from real life or actual art

[@father270]

i know it sucks so bad. i used to use pinterest so much and it was so fun, but now i cant get good reference images or anything because of just the insane amount of ai

[@cedrusatlas]

10:50 I saw a post ages ago with a similar sentiment- (paraphrasing) 'I want AI to do the chores so I have time to do fun stuff, not for AI to do the fun stuff so I have time to do chores'

[@Amethyst-Marshmallow]

OMG YES LITERALLY THIS!!!!

[@PeriluneStar]

EXACTLY!! AI SHOULD BE USED FOR THE BORING STUFF!

[@jc_art_]

​@@PeriluneStar (Edit: i think people are misinterpreting my reply to mean "i support Ai" or something like that, but i dont, and i never will. I explained why the person i replied to had a flawed line of thinking, not saying that it was wrong. The "Ai should just replace the boring work!" sentiment can easily be turned right back around against artists, since what is "boring" is subjective.) to the people that support Ai, *Art* is the "boring stuff" that they want to be done. They cant see past their own point of view, so to them all art is is just something to be looked at, not truly appreciated. They've never been able to create their own art, so they think its great to finally be able to "create" whatever they want, without having to spend years learning to create it themselves. Its like commisions, but free, and without having to embarrass yourself asking someone to create what you want. From that perspective, it seems great, but again they lack the ability to see other peoples perspectives. They dont realize that art isnt some mindnumbing, meaningless task, that only exists to look pretty for other people, its a form of self expression and creativity, as well as a demonstration of ones' skill and practice.

[@PeriluneStar]

@@jc_art_ hm yeah that does make sense. Commissions are just so much nicer because you get to support a real person- I wish the AI bros would understand that human creativity is valuable and that AI is doing a lot of harm, and that the process of art is just as important as the result.

[@theylorlr6677]

This this this!!!

[@GhostiGrotesque]

something to add for other artists: do NOT announce or tag your work as “glaze” or “nightshade,” it’s most effective when thieves are completely unaware of the fact that your art is glazed or shaded.!!

[@nyctori]

Do you think it would work the other way around? like if i cant use nightshade, would just using it as a tag help protect my art at all? Edit: thanks for the advice everyone! Also weird to see the ai bros in the comments...guessing they did not actually watch the video 🧐

[@theawsomehawk2749]

@@nyctori i heard ai bros will use art tagged with glaze or nightshade for training something that removes it, idk if sending art that has not used either of those would mess up the model but they would probably feed it to an ai generator after using it

[@aliceatrocious]

Thank you for the advice! ❤

[@Tail_sez]

@niyakii6205 AIbros can hand-pick art to train a specific model, the type trained off of the entire internet comes from a database known as LAION

[@catbatrat1760]

Unless the art is of glazed doughnuts or nightshade flowers XD

[@crownclowncreations]

10:50 _”I want AI to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for AI to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes.”_ - Joanna Maciejewska

[@RealAICCl]

Porque mo los dos!?

[@vid9170]

​@@RealAICCl Cuz drawing is fun and laundry isn't

[@RealAICCl]

@ isnt that a personal matter of preference?

[@vid9170]

@@RealAICCl You're telling me labour is more fun than a hobby? Copium?

[@RealAICCl]

@ im telling you one mans labour is another mans hobby, copium? You dont believe that? Well your brains might be tiny so its believable.

[@Jameskii]

gonna modify photos of my frog so no one can generate him

[@commandercody1210]

tf did he come from?

[@rubenreyes1388]

28 likes? Bro fell off

[@Hlebuw3k]

you have a frog???

[@pneumaniac14]

roc

[@ThisIsDubious]

ok jameskii go back to bed now

[@Dexter-by-designation]

Says "am comic artist, be gentle about my realism" *cracks out beautiful shading and depth*

[@Popcorn58999]

Fr 😔

[@LeGaySharpie]

IKR!!!!

[@tusuytips]

Yes jdhdjdhdh

[@Kyugorn]

I guess she's just that adaptive.

[@genesisplus4325]

Same energy as "oh come on, it's not _that_ good.

[@JustaBunchofGoofs]

That part where Miyazaki was talking to ai “artists” felt like the part in every fantasy movie where the wizard’s student turn to the dark side

[@nwonknu-]

IIRC, the conversation was actually about 3D animation, not AI. Miyazaki actually stuck to his point about not liking 3D animation and had his new film, The Boy and the Heron, be traditional 2D.

[@tealtalonflame4281]

​@@nwonknu-Yeah, but the principle still applies, Imo

[@LavenderTowne]

@@nwonknu-it was actually about a machine generated bit of 3d animation of a zombie dragging itself forward by its head. It was a proto AI animation

[@Midnightlunar10]

Anakin all over again

[@Velvette4Reel]

bro just talking about star wars

[@makbran3627]

I scrolled down just a little bit after this video and got an ad for “getting rich using Ai” The irony

[@redlink1426]

It’s probably a scam, KZbin ads have barely any moderation

[@RDrawzDragonz]

the only people using ai just wanna get rich off of it, that why its a bubble whichll burst. once they realise people dont like ai and they wont be able to make much off of it, theyll drop using it.

[@GHOSTYMPA]

It is honestly sad to think that just a few years ago we had an internet with ZERO AI generated images. We don't know how well we had it

[@deltamico]

Images created by GANs are around for 10 years already. The differences are in quality, flexibility but mainly accessablity to the tools

[@VileStinkyGamer]

ghosty I didnt expect see you here....

[@GHOSTYMPA]

@@deltamico yeah what i said was an exaggeration, but it is still sad that we can no longer avoid ai slop

[@jakefromexpress]

hello ghostympa

[@flamingscar5263]

@@GHOSTYMPA one thing I don't get with this sentiment is that slop existed well before AI, the amount of slop on the internet has not increased like, at all, its just AI slop now instead of underpaid 3rd world country worker slop

[@zhengedi3859]

I saw someone point out how backwards it is that "robots make art, while humans keep laboring" Love your video!

[@hundvd_7]

"Art" means two things. One of them is expressing yourself in a creative way. The other is the product of said work, which is made to, basically, market something else. AI is replacing #2. It's not taking your hobby. It's taking your job. Which doesn't make it innocent, but it is _not_ creative work in the same way.

[@vivi7645]

​​@@hundvd_7 Where would the creativity even be, if you would not even be in charge of the process? You're still not creating anything, you're not being “Creative” by definition, you're just the final step for a machine to staple some stuff it's stolen together with no sense or reason behind it. There's no glory, no value behind relying on a glorified prompt image generator to express yourself, for you would not even be expressing yourself in the first place

[@mcnichoj18]

@@vivi7645would someone that drew someone else's character still be creative? They're essentially stapling some stuff they've stolen together. How are they expressing themself by drawing the exact thing someone else drew? Technically they did create but I'd question its creativity by your definition.

[@vivi7645]

@@mcnichoj18 No, that's not what I was referring to. With this I meant those who believe that using AI and writing a prompt requires just as much creativity as making an art piece, may it be fanart, original, digital or oil on canvas; It's the act of creation itself that doesn't exist in AI art (Which fanart does have, so long as it isn't straight up tracing)

[@override367]

Why did you give up art because AI exists?

[@zeapringle]

that is NOT a title I was expecting from the all innocent could-do-no-harm lavendertowne. she sounds like she’s about to smite everyone who uses ai.

[@Eyethegreatest]

SAMEEEE

[@_Bezuga_4269]

FRRRR

[@Dustymoth-e3k]

Fr

[@nataliamidzio]

REAL

[@BabyZinc666]

yeah people are so mean but lavendertowne can fight back!

[@steel8231]

A lot of the pro AI "art" crowd say crap like "we're Democratizing art" which doesn't make any sense, art is a skill not a political system. They'll also claim to be "getting back at low effort artists" like the people who put moldy cheese or stapled together cardboard boxes into art museums, but those aren't the artists they're stealing from.

[@wren8423]

and theyve clearly never taken an art history class or done a lick of research on the modern, postmodern, and contemporary art movements. because i guarantee you that moldy cheese and those stapled together cardboard boxes have a meaning and importance to them that these people will never be able to comprehend.

[@steel8231]

@wren8423 I mean I didn't comprehend them either but at least the shark made from thousands of layers of carefully broken glass next to those 2 exhibits was neat.

[@C0nnor-Aliv3]

With all this new ai stuff, I’ve grown a very strong appreciation for newer artists because of well, ai won’t replicate that, and it shows that theres still people that want to actually draw and learn art

[@cryingwatercolours]

me too! it’s crazy, i brought this up to someone on reddit and they thought i was lying. non artists truly don’t understand the joy of watching a skill like art blossom and develop over time, and now it just adds that human touch to see a beginner’s choices and mistakes.

[@moonoftheblood]

Imperfect art is my favorite type of art

[@Ha-neulie]

That's so real. I would give the world to the art babies out there who are trying to express themselves and learn without restraints! Humans were meant to live, not beat down for the sake of another dollar in their pocket.

[@H41rdy3dr1nk3rXDD]

Something interesting im figuring out is AI has a difficulty doing pixel art thats CLEAN and crisp. Maybe adding a glitch effect to some art might make it super hard 4 ai !!

[@dereksoh8288]

@@moonoftheblood you'll love my art then haha

[@EmnM2010]

We used to dream of a world where the grunt work is automated so we have more time do dedicate to the pursuit of knowledge and beauty. What we got was having knowledge and beauty automated by a soulless entity incapable of comprehending either, so we have more time to dedicate to grunt work.

[@RubykonCubes3668]

THIS!

[@CarbonOtter]

Grunt work is still required. AI is a tool for getting a basis to build from. Submitting an AI output as a finished work without finishing it is career suicide.

[@Dice-Z]

AI, including generative AI, is an amazing step towards the former. It's just that some imbeciles and greedy leeches are trying everything in their power to steer it in the other direction, the latter, to further grow their riches at the cost of everything else. The soullest ones are the humans, AI is perfectly capable of being beneficial to art and artists when used right, and an amazing technology when you understand it at even surface level, which 99% of people don't, whether they are pro or anti AI.

[@gaboratoria]

@@Dice-Zbut even the former is such a dark path as things are going now; automating gruntwork is already happening, what with the way they’re slowly substituting things like factory assembly, restaurant serving, delivery, etc with machines. The issue? The job market isn’t changing in a positive way to reflect that: instead of allowing the humans that used to have to do gruntwork to pursue bigger and better things all it’s doing in our current society is pushing those people into poverty and homelessness

[@GrumpDog]

Except AI will take the "grunt work" too. The very idea of humans competing for an income, isn't compatible with automated intelligence, that will continue to improve.

[@goober_985]

"for this one i'm gonna use my own style as a tag, i know my art has already been fed into these machines, so if i gradually start feeding them bad info attached to my name, it will break them eventually; i'm gonna do this randomly after this video as well, so hopefully one day a request for my art-style will put out pure mush." man having to hear this is so depressing

[@Gusenichka925]

@@flyingwambulance "ai engineer" real funny

[@Drunkenvalley]

@@flyingwambulance AI engineers is goddamn braindead lol.

[@GoroAkechi_Real]

@@flyingwambulancetf are yall engineering? ai bros aren't making anything of note or value, and they're certainly not innovating. go outside.

[@goober_985]

@@flyingwambulance it's cute that you think typing in a lazily come up with prompt into an AI slop generator makes you an engineer!

[@fart5292]

@@flyingwambulance "AI engineers" everyone point and laugh

[@CookieIGuess]

I think AI can be summarized in less then 10 words: AI should be used to assist, not create.

[@sopjonggodzilla7587]

i agree with this so much

[@xxkillerxx54321]

Agreed

[@isoeno]

I agree with this 100%, as an AI Dev. And I am sorry that there are people that use AI to steal.

[@ShifterBo1]

And thats exactly how i use it, i create my own art, later i ask ai to assist me to add extra details, thats all, i dont steal people stuff.

[@Atomic_Acorn969]

>People agree with this comment >People bully GlaciusTS in another thread for doing literally that Man I hate the internet:(

[@anonymoussnekk]

The part i hate even more than it replacing artists is the misinformation. I once had to explain to my grandma that peacock chicks do NOT get their tail feathers in until theyre much older. Somehow stuff that should be COMMON SENSE is just forgotten because a little peacock looks cute with its impossibly tiny feathers. Thank you poisoning the scrapers!

[@frostyfrostwings]

I've had similar things happen to me because of all of the misinformation ai has made. Had to explain many times to my parents that something wasn't actually real.

[@RaspK]

The other part that I hate is the laziness (I mean, reaching the point of having AI write your AI prompt is a new level, but still...): far too much of their bullshit is obviously terrible... but they don't veto it.

[@incendas]

I mean, that's always been happening with edited and photoshopped pictures (which are surprisingly easy to do yourself at that level of quality! Clone tool my beloved). Do educate your family, especially older people, on AI and editing in general. Help them generate things themselves. Show them some inconsistencies. Show them some really really good AI art too, the kind with almost no errors. The kind that you have to use specialised tools to identify. You haven't been able to trust everything you see for years now. It's just more prominent and changes rapidly, which some older people can't keep up with.

[@beth1979]

I saw a picture of a kangaroo today with a chest high pouch. Talk about cursed images! Baby sling photos must have confused it.

[@driftingdruid]

Think this is likely the real reason the elitist think tanks are supporting ai generated content: Since they can’t consistently, successfully influence our behavior through propaganda, they now want to obfuscate all manner of truth and evidence in all forms to confuse and divide us even more

[@ModestZach]

You know, if I were to give a silver lining to all this, it’s that it has given me a way deeper appreciation of human made art. Human made art is so much more interesting now because I can recognize its intentionality. It is so much more noticeable now that I’ve seen what art looks like without any creative process.

[@Doopen]

That's true!!! I was already an art enjoyer (and an artist), but this made me appreciate the thought, intention, and effort of art even more!

[@amberhernandez]

"I didn't think paintings could have souls, until I found out what soulless paintings looked like." - paraphrased from a quote about KZbin videos

[@femboyChristmas]

I've seen and learned the horrors of an unfeeling program that repeats patterns without understanding their meanings

[@lulu111_the_cool]

So like some human Artis?

[@zinxderobo]

I make AI art that is just as much human made as a photograph or a digital rendering. I do agree that the vast majority is lazy and flaccid and boring, just please be aware that not all of it is.

[@TheBritishGoose]

when you see people in commenst asking "what art style is this?" or "what is this art style called?" so they can type it into their generators, you should ALWAYS respond "hi! this style is typically called Gratrunka"

[@mauro27279]

You did NOT need to have me look it up 😭

[@spinecho609]

this needs to be higher up

[@jc_art_]

​@@mauro27279 can you tell me what it is so i dont have to look it up? I expect its something cursed, so just explain in vague allusions if you arent able to just say what it is

[@Number1RisottoNeroFan]

@@mauro27279 what did it say? I'm too scared to search it up myself tbh.

[@megp9id]

I looked this up and immediately started laughing

[@5PctJuice]

I've never been good at drawing or art, but part of me has always passively wanted to take the time to learn. I just freeze whenever I look at a blank canvas and have no idea where to begin. AI certainly doesn't help my desire to push through that. All power to you in this endeavor, it's amazing!

[@foodeater3]

atleast blender you start with a box its just harder to learn for most

[@HyronXVI]

If I may, a blank canvas may be intimidating, but if you have something you want to draw, which means a purpose, even a very little one, you have a direction and the blankness of the canvas becomes trivial. Even a silly little stickman is fine! It's your intent that matters, and the technical skill doesn't really matter. Kids enjoy drawing as well as cavemen and both don't care at all about their art quality and just wanted to express themselves :)

[@conspiracypanda1200]

You need to do a 'wash'. Pick a colour and slap it on that canvas to stop it from being blank white. I do rough, angular coloured boxes then draw things on them for practice (the box is my background and helps break up the canvas so I can draw on it). Usually that's enough to get you to the next step.

[@Ellisepha]

I think there's lots of good beginner tutorials on youtube. Also, maybe don't start with a canvas, but with a pen and paper. That's probably less intimidating. I'd say either just start doodling things as a warm-up, or try to sketch an object you can see (like a potted plant of a piece of furniture). Art is like sport, it has a lot of varieties and skills that need to be learned. Repetition helps here too.

[@logancontracier7125]

7:09 “I feel like we are nearing the end of times. We humans are losing faith in ourselves.” This quote hits that feeling so squarely

[@MK_ULTRA420]

I feel like this whole channel is delulu

[@ironheavenz]

I imagine the priests were saying the same thing when the printing press was invented, maybe there's no need to be so dramatic

[@BladeTrain3r]

It's not about losing faith but discarding ego. In order for humanity to expand it's capacities beyond the peaks we've already established, we must embrace the fact we may need to create tools beyond our own capabilities as we already have with heavy machinery, agriculture and construction. In the end the problem is income displacement and corporate abuse, not the tools themselves. If all art was open source, nobody would have a problem outside of ensuring credit is given - but every artist wants their art to be a walled garden, because copycats mean reduced market share mean reduced income means art becomes a hobby not a livelihood. We'll see a similar curve for the unfun jobs, it just turns out they're harder to automate than a lot of the fun stuff. Unless something drastic happens, time will remove them as a career path too. I think we might genuinely be in a transition phase to a work optional society - whether that's a good thing, depends on how people react, how options are presented for fulfilment, and how much people continue to lean in on acquisition as the end goal. Honestly, less than entirely optimistic on the latter point.

[@2dstencil847]

@@MK_ULTRA420 ya why u want to harm ai, AI just want to observe, if ai observe sexual, man or science say it is logical. but ya it is bad and shame. but it is still science. making ai draw cat = non looking like cat is like demonize

[@janelantestaverde2018]

​@@BladeTrain3rYou're looking at the situation from the perspective of a tech bro, though, not from the perspective of someone making art. Your descriptions and comparisons are external observations.

[@PlayrR3D156]

"The underlying purpose of AI is to allow wealth to access skill while removing from the skilled the ability to access wealth." -jeffowski on Mastodon

[@frigginresulrum]

I'd argue that it's industry more than wealth. Wealth is a dick measuring contest, and being able to say you hired a prominent artist to work for you is a big dick move. Industry however, wants to save as many pennies as it can and couldn't care less how detrimental it is to society.

[@Zercell]

I thought you meant Mastodon the band at first and I was so confused

[@twistedshere]

I had a stroke

[@PlayrR3D156]

@@Zercell yeah, I honestly forgot that Mastodon was a social media site until today tbh

[@signal9959]

WHITE WHALE HOLY GRAIL (sorry)

[@boopbloop8725]

Notice how even a Trojan horse, a trick, has so much love, effort, and time put into it. Ai can't put even half of the thought and work that was put into these drawings.

[@ahtoshkaa]

Too bad it is all for naught. Modern datasets use AI to autocaption images for their training. For Nightshade to work, the poisoned image has to have captions that correspond to the original image, thus poisoning a certain concept (image a hand). But that would not be the case because Nightshade would also confuse the autocaptioning model and it wouldn't recognize it as "image of a hand". 9/10 for effort 0/10 for effect

[@cubing7276]

​@@ahtoshkaais there anything that artists can do? that feels like checkmate

[@fenix5fire]

​@@ahtoshkaawell, basically, as far as I understand - fooling an auto caption is literally what it does

[@Ggg-lj5zz]

​@@ahtoshkaaIn their paper, the have shown that autocaptioning images instead of using the existing metadata has very little impact on the poisoning attack. For that you need to understand that alightment and image generation models are designed and trained for different tasks and thus do not always match up, especially in a targeted attack like this. While there is probably a way to train a model specifically designed to filter out poisoned data, at that point, it becomes a cat and mouse game and even throwing a small wrench into large AI companies endeavours is kinda nice.

[@Plystire]

@@Ggg-lj5zz This is the same game that has always been played in the world of security. An exploit is found, and a solution is developed. Helps Big Data tremendously that Nightshade and Glaze are open source. Not to mention, as opposed to a virus or zero-day, they were openly communicated about prior to being heavily utilized.

[@knifekisser]

i dont understand why people dont want to actually try art. im going into college soon, and when asked what my 3 choices were gonna be, the first one i said without hesitation is art. i want to draw. i want to show off my skills to family and friends like "yeah, i drew this, isnt this awesome?" not generate shit and live a lie.

[@thecrowonyourshoulder]

AI overlords want to generate art without putting time into it... A very backwater logic, because the joy IS creating the art. People aren't understanding this.

[@Ellisepha]

It's because they only see it as a product. Anyone who's ever done something creative can tell you, the journey is its own reward. You always learn something, pick up new skills when you create an art piece. People that claim that AI does it better don't care about the process, they want to get to the dedtinstion as fast as possible and without having to think about it.

[@alyonadendy]

(Sarcasm) Oh my god, an ai that can draw for me, make music for me, make videos for me, play videogames for me so i can finally do my dishes, laundry, hoovering, taxes and finally do all the paperwork that i was putting away for so long, ah, what a dream

[@RespectfullyBiasedReader]

EXACTLY, THEYRE GOING IN THE WORST DIRECTION POSSIBLE 😭

[@ohtartarsauce6301]

Right! Ai can do all our hobbies for us so all we have left is focusing on making the already wealthy more money.

[@monroerobbins7551]

YES!! The fact that these super rich fucks are putting out “AI can do the things we don’t want to do”, then say “they’ll make music and art for us, isn’t that great!”, it just shows what they really value, and not to mention put focus on how AI can take away the things that give humans joy, making it so people can’t do these things, or compete. AI could be actually useful, but it’s just being used to harm others and mass produce bullshit.

[@voratheexplorer6442]

Never, ever forget, that the first people the wealthy invested in replacing were the artists and authors

[@andrewextravaganza8796]

I've said it before, this is a capitalism problem, not an ai problem. If people weren't being disenfranchised by it ai is not a bad tool. You want to spend your time making art? Great! Do that! It wouldn't matter if someone with 0 skill can make a facsimile using ai, because you don't need to profit for survival if we don't have capitalism, and your stuff will still be yours. No one and nothing can take that from you. Your video game example is actually a great one of ai as a tool! Do you love the narrative of a choice-driven game, but can't engage with combat mechanics? Us a bot to play the combat! You get to engage with the game in the way you want, without having to sacrifice your time. No one is making people use it or not use it, so only use it on the stuff you personally don't want to do. Under capitalism, the use of ai and automation risks the lives and livelihoods of people, but those are not the problem here. The problem here is capitalism itself requiring people to do something to not die, and these tools take away more of those somethings.

[@DevNojo]

I love how they went from “it’s art because I wrote the prompt!” To “use ai to make the prompt.”

[@thorveim1174]

and in both anyway, no they arent making the art. Else, comissioning an artist would ALSO be making art (since you effectively gave a prompt to an artist). to be fair out of practicality i think saying "I used Ai to make this" as technically correct since there is no other human in the process, but the way i see it it makes it clear you delegated the entire creative process away from yourself

[@karotconcarne3325]

@@thorveim1174 Reminds me of the dude who bought a book and considered the whole story his intelectual property.

[@orirune3079]

ChatGPT isn't even good at making prompts either. I've tried it, it's really verbose and wordy and uses tons of words that are really vague and abstract.

[@karotconcarne3325]

@@orirune3079 I mean, there's literally no way it even CAN be good, considering it would need to know on what kinds of prompts a checkpoint was trained. Otherwise what it spews would be just gibberish to the SD you're using :P There are better ways to about that anyway, if someone would be so inclined.

[@onidaaitsubasa4177]

​@@thorveim1174 I mean I would say it's making art, but the one making the prompt or even the AI making the prompt isn't the artist, the artist is the actual AI that created art from the 1000s of art it has studied (it's dataset) actually typically human artists have a dataset of sorts also from everything they've seen and the art methods they've studied, so that's why I say the the AI is the artist, just cause it can't voice it's own opinion cause it's an image generator doesn't mean it didn't make the art, and technically the poor AI itself didn't steal the art in it's dataset, that was the humans that put the dataset together in the first place, the AI didn't search the art of its own decision, the people behind it didn't give it that ability. So no human should claim AI art as theirs, they basically asked someone or in this case something else to make it.

[@raeweber]

Pinterest is genuinely becoming unusable nowadays because of the sheer volume of AI and no way to filter it out. It's genuinely so upsetting. Thank you for fighting back!

[@lioedevon4275]

Fr. As a furry artists my least favorite is the adopts sold on Etsy. It’s so frustrating

[@traumwandeln]

also rowwise ads, ai and ads are flooding pinterest and i dont like to use it anymore.

[@gunstrokethecybertronian8659]

Not to mention deviant art. Cara is at the very least a good site that prohibits AI generated content. Granted it's at a slow startup, but better than nothing

[@Sonario648]

....Pintrest is still alive?

[@noir_wolfe1099]

Every time my friend (non-artists) uses chat-gpt or shares me ai gen pinterest images I object loudly bc silence in complacence.

[@tsuki4195]

It's comforting to know that even when AI is rampant, even if it becomes more "acceptable", people will always make art. Nothing is going to stop some people from expressing themselves, it's a part of humanity. I love that about us.

[@gigglenose1990]

Facebook users sobbing crying at the image of the starving child with 17 fingers on its left hand:

[@columbinadamselettefan]

“Why do posts like this never trend😢😣”

[@nameless......................]

ai bros not knowing that no, ai is not able to learn like humans, and no, they don't take inspiration, they just make noise maps that are statistically likely to be similar: why, why, why, why, why?

[@LOL-bu5nv-2]

@@nameless...................... Human artcvcks not knowing that no, ai is able to learn like humans, since consciousness is computed and materialism is true: Oh im an artcvck yes im an artcvck

[@jskratnyarlathotep8411]

@@nameless...................... i actually inspired my way of drawing from stable diffusion principles. I vaguely draw outlines of key elements of where do i think is what, then gradually fill the gaps and details. Almost like stable diffusion does

[@Rainy-mation]

He can’t eat. -he has too many fingers 😭😭

[@GreenRasqberries]

My favorite image on the internet is of an AI bro freaking out because, as he was trying to generate a logo for his company, the letters on the logo kept spelling out “I just farted”. He couldn’t even go through the effort to edit it out. He had to go to one of the GenAI subreddits and complain about it. Just goes to show how truly lazy these people are

[@sierrahale804]

XD That is so funny

[@commenter03162]

Oh yeah we should be poisoning texts images as well so they get even more messed up

[@NaraSherko]

LOL

[@NaraSherko]

There a comment on a yt video that said like "And yet, people are still thinking ai is not the future" i said "For art no for anything yes" Someone replied "Denial again. Here, take this copium 🍬" And it got more likes what should i say

[@tteqhu]

​@@NaraSherko I'm sorry, but in that utopia there will be no chores, no education, no hardships and no life experiences to be gained, but the art will persist? I'm sorry, but the whole mindset of chores being something to eradicate, kills humanity.

[@Artistjames2330]

yeah i hate it my art is my art not some ai bullcrap

[@ianswinford5570]

Amen!

[@spillthebakedbeans4523]

@@ianswinford5570 what

[@nettlesandsnakes9138]

I think you need commas.

[@Catcatboyboy]

​@@spillthebakedbeans4523 theyre saying they agree

[@SUTAZZZ]

W pfp

[@Keilink]

When you're at a level where you need a machine to make art for you because you could "do something else instead", you're way too far gone as a human being~

[@DonnyN.]

If companies ever complain and get angry about how artists are poisoning the art the use for their generators they're going to have to explain how they got it in the first place.

[@liamcoolcool]

the ai systems are trained to comb through the internet dumbass

[@amacot656]

that true, explaining how they ''aquires'' art will be one major blow.... less now that Adobe and twitter have it in there TOS that by agreeing you let them use what you created/posted with their plateform/product

[@bleba7738]

"Companies"? Which companies?

[@lic.josechavez8837]

​@@bleba7738I can only think of 2, Lambda design and ChaRport, a couple weeks ago some of their commercial projects were using Ai and the real artist behind the art filled a lawsuit.

[@SatokoHoujouOriginalRoleplayer]

@@bleba7738 😂😂

[@andreiaxolotl5137]

I'm gonna admit something. For a month or two I got into AI art, but it honestly never got the results I wanted it to get, and, after doing a bit of research, I realized how damaging it truely is. I am trying to learn how to actually draw digitally ( I'm not good at it or naturally talented but I can see small improvements over time) and this channel has really helped me out, as I am more enclined towards a more cartoony or anime style. Thank you, LavenderTowne!

[@qq-me2vo]

bless. thank you for switching to real art! good luck on your journey, you’ve got this

[@biscylbenzene]

y'know i was gonna say something about a redemption arc but honestly i don't think that's accurate?? you didn't know something was harmful but then you researched it and then stopped bc you didn't want to cause damage. like that's the best possible timeline idk!! good job man best of luck on your art journey

[@BabyZinc666]

i dont think anyone is naturally talented, just that some people have an interest in something and so they watch videos about it and learn quicker! So you can get the hang of it at your own pace just like any other artist :> Also, I'm glad you like making your own art now. :>>>>>> Ima check it out if you have any on your channel

[@BabyZinc666]

Nice animations! I'm an animator too. its been 2 years so i bet you have improved alot :D

[@queenbee3561]

Welcome to the art revolution friend, wish you luck on the Artist journey.

[@m0rtez713]

Techbro here: You are my hero. The whole reason i started to learn programming was so i could make games, you know, art. To create something new, share feelings, ideas, love, life. Now these corporations develop algorithms to automate mass production of soulless derivative cheap content by stealing works of talented people. In some cases their employees develop algorythms that will replace them. What are these people thinking? I will never take part in this.

[@illyaeater]

No one asked you to take part in it, you can continue using sticks and rocks to build those great games.

[@lulu111_the_cool]

Yup many knew game Devs game to be because they could finally do Thier games art without selling all Thier organs.

[@m0rtez713]

@GU-jt5fe Thx for reminding me. I spelled it wrong, noticed, got sidetracked and forgot.

[@m0rtez713]

@GU-jt5fe It's because in my native language the i sound can be spelled i or y, and r is generally followed by y. Force of habit. Sometimes I forget. Believe it or not.

[@gamerraven]

​@GU-jt5feDid you forget that not everyone speaks English as a first language?

[@Pop.RockzzXD]

3:47 Yeah.. My grandma shows me a bunch of AI generated slop... I genuinely have to tell her, "Grandma, this is AI." She genuinely didn't know what AI was at first, and every time she shows me stuff like that, I have to point out obvious things that it's not real.

[@azuresnail2362]

The lovers of generative AI don't understand that being creative for most people is a hobby. It's the process. When I write or draw, it's not like I'm thinking the whole time. "When will this end? I want to see the end result!" I'm having fun, sure, not everything I make is a masterpiece, but when I look back at my work, I feel proud and happy. I think to myself, "I made it this far. And I'm doing something I enjoy." Being creative is fun. Having hobbies is nice. Life is about enjoying yourself and having fun. Also - when you want to bring your vision to life, give it a try, draw/write/make it yourself. It will make you over all happier. (At least I think)

[@moonoftheblood]

All capitalism's fault. These neckbeards see anime girl images ad a way to gain money or likes online, they have a brain too small to comprehend what art actually is and what it actually means.

[@blehpp7192]

Yeah omg!! When she read out that comment all I could think was, how many artists say “man I wish I didn’t have to work so I could spend more time drawing” ALMOST ALL OF US but no one is ever gonna say “man I wish I didn’t have to draw so I could spend more time working” like what??? 😭😭

[@Draconic404]

I do both and I hear you, but for me drawing for pleasure and drawing because I need an illustration for x project is very different, on the latter I'll use ai because I don't want to draw that

[@moonoftheblood]

@@Draconic404 then why are you even making the project? Just don't fucking make it

[@moonoftheblood]

@@Draconic404 is it for art school? Is it for money? It's just wrong for whatever reason. Stop.

[@liamassassingaming922]

Something wild I've seen on the internet is AI bros calling things like nightshade cyber terrorism and advocating for pursuing legal action under that definition for anyone who uses it.

[@capnotserp]

imagine if someone tried to shoot you and then charged you for putting on a bulletproof vest

[@flyingwambulance]

You actually have some imagination, there might still be hope for you yet.

[@TheyCallMeIce]

@@capnotserp Literally. Like, if you put "No trespassing, electric fence", and someone tries to climb the electric fence, why in the WORLD would they have ANY right to sue you???

[@tonyheraldo6525]

​@@TheyCallMeIceunless you label that your art is nightshaded, an electric fence without the no trespassing sign would be a more accurate metaphor. You can sue for that btw

[@keckingrabbit354]

​@@tonyheraldo6525well thank god we can sue for that. But "this artist never told me their art was nightshaded" ain't holding up in court

[@LatulaArts]

Had an AI bro get pissed when I called them out for offering "commissions" in a discord server lmao. They called my art shit and I told them to generate a better insult.

[@kataris3563]

“Generate a better insult” 💀💀 I’m so jealous of yall wording your arguments against AI so well, especially since this is something I’m passionate about. I really wish less people had rose colored glasses on for this awful technology

[@LatulaArts]

@kataris3563 agreed, as someone who has worked in the tech industry for a decade now too.. ai is genuinely terrifying. It isn't just a haha silly image generator, it's used for disgusting deepfake imagery of people who don't consent to the creation of those images, it's used for so much hatred and harassment and misinformation. It's a terrifying prospect that ai can shift something as big as the political landscape so easily because people blindly believe the internet instead of doing their own research.. ai wouldn't be so bad if it solely used open source content and stock images, copyright free material etc. rather than the intellectual property and photos of individuals. But it doesn't do that. There is no longer any possibility of ethical AI generation.

[@kataris3563]

@@LatulaArts It seems like most people genuinely wish to harm artists, too. Many AI bros argue that artists just have big egos and they’re salty about no longer being “useful,” or argue that they want to scam people out of their money. They claim that the benefits simply outweigh the issues, that people just need to learn how to use it responsibly. Where have I heard those two arguments before?? I really hope this makes like the NFT craze and loses popularity. It’s such a cultlike community that worships the idea of AI being the future, that we are in desperate need of efficiency. But one of the great meanings of life is to find purpose. Why take the purpose away from skilled work? Why are we so hell-bent on avoiding one of the most rewarding and fulfilling parts of human life, when all that will be left for us is scrolling, consuming, and improving AI?

[@Sugary_water]

@@kataris3563 broo there's literally a comment that is an ai glazer saying the same thing where artists are salty. Also cool opinion :)

[@saiv46]

Damn, I wish there was an AI for generating insults

[@Entiimy-3am]

Ever since I was a really young kid I wanted to draw, but had no talent..But not even once I tried to use ai for that. I trained until my style was slightly good. If you immediately give up or refuse to learn.. You're probably not meant for arts..Or any other job...

[@Bug10ten]

Lets be real, I am not at all 'amazing' at art YET. But even still art is the thing in my life that brings me the most joy, and I feel sad for the future generations who may grow up using AI and never realising how fun creating things you are proud of can be.

[@hollyhobgoblin8838]

I love the speech you made about halfway through about the problem with AI replacing creative pursuits in general. Like you said, if we're meant to eliminate our desire to learn, our time spent on human connections, and our creative pursuits in order to "make more time," then what are we making time for? Work and brainless consumption. It's not about making life easier, it's about creating the perfect consumer in order to make more money.

[@Draconic404]

personally I use ai to make illustrations for projects, but I draw the things I want on my free time. I don't like being forced to draw something and I think that's where ai shines: boring things that need to be illustrated

[@thatfishbone]

@@Draconic404 "forced to draw something" Is someone holding you at gunpoint lol???

[@Draconic404]

@@thatfishbone come on you know what I meant: needing to draw something for the result, not for the fun in the process

[@thatfishbone]

@@Draconic404 You "Nerd" to draw it? You "need" the result?

[@Draconic404]

@@thatfishbone we could debate on what need means, as for my survival it wasn't necessary, but what I was tying to say is that I wasn't interested in the process, only the result. One example I could give you is that I needed to design a hoodie. I do not like to design clothes and the subject of it wasn't interesting either (I prefer to draw abastract art or animals) so I used ai to get the results. I rarely ever use my drawings for anything as for me, doing something for the result makes the process not fun.

[@RylixBlizzai]

that "apple ai summary of a breakup text" image genuinely disturbed me on such a visceral level i didn't even know what emotion i was feeling, i just immediately paused the video, got up, and went to go snuggle up with my family in the living room for a while i down right object to a future where communication with people gets summarized down into sterile reports on what they said

[@galaxyjam3742]

Wanna speculate on why they were broken up with??? It'll be a short speculation, I imagine.

[@purplelily7764]

I know it made me feel isolated and detached from reality. I know conversations like that can be hard, but how is anyone supposed to grow as a person if they avoid the things that are uncomfortable, scary, and hard. How are you supposed to appreciate the good in life if you never allow yourself to experience the bad. It’s just so lacking in basic empathy and humanity and is just incredibly dystopian.

[@Oceanwaves-d8l]

Also when people use AI to make their comments and replies. Our social skills have been deteriorating, and allowing AI to make every difficult message for us is only going to make the problem worse.

[@ellaartenstein853]

It’s probably a joke though. Likely I think it’s making fun of the people who use this by saying that everyone who loves them is leaving them.

[@zinxderobo]

its been like that far before ai came into the picture. have you never heard of a newspaper? good lord it's flabbergasting reading some of this. it's like a forum of critical thought and discourse except it's permanently opposite day.

[@amiboking1178]

“i mainly draw cartoons please be gentle in the comments” *proceeds to FUCKING COOK WITH THE HANDS GOD DAYUM*

[@sourlofi]

RIGHT?

[@amalnation4021]

It’s like when a a fanfic writer says “Sorry for the bad grammar, english isn’t my first language” And makes the most emotional, colourfully worded story ever

[@ОлежаПринц-д4к]

As realistic artist I will say it`s not that good it1s normal

[@sourlofi]

@@ОлежаПринц-д4к i think majority of people recognizes its not the greatest realism. but for someone with her work background being cartoons, it is incredibly impressive.

[@G0d0fDaWallz]

@@sourlofiI completely agree. As someone who is very bad at (but trying) realism, it’s VERY hard to even make a hand OUTLINE that is realistic so the hand lavender made is so good for what she normally makes

[@mavericknizmo9182]

These sorts of technologies only make me think the future of tomorrow is bleak and hopeless. It's gonna be worse than Night City in 2077. I'm happy to see you guys fight back, I am not an artist myself, but we cannot let the future be hopeless and soulless. Life is meant to be enjoyed, not done quickly.

[@mashinit8255]

Another weak point for anyone looking to poison AI is hugging. I've seen AI images of people hugging that look like eldritch abominations.

[@LavenderTowne]

that's kinda poetic, that they can't depict something as human as an embrace ;w;

[@SaneStation]

Very true! One of my college professors demonstated this by generating a woman holding a baby.... and the result was truly horrifying. (;;ಥᗜಥ)

[@Unnamed-i4q]

I've generated many images with two characters interacting - let it be hugging, or carried in hands, or sitting on someone's back - AI does that with ease

[@ichbinben.]

Next they're gonna build a machine that implants memories, so you don't actually have to experience anything for yourself, you can just work all day and when you come home you can overwrite your shitty day with memories of going to a concert or backpacking through France. Let's just automate all the fun things, so we have more time to spend on making our corporate overlords money, that totally doesn't sound like a dystopic hellscape. /s

[@KikuoLover-d7j]

I wanna make this a story now 😓

[@TableClothPersona]

This is a NICHE reference but it reminds me of a mobile visual novel dating sim called “mayday memory”. Where tech advancements allowed the insertion, removal, and copying of memories to exist but it was quickly banned… yet a dirty black market of stealing memories exists. I never finished it since it got sort of pay2win but the story seemed to be pretty competently written!

[@nyarlathotep9622]

Now that a fecking fire plot for a distopic story

[@steprockmedia]

Yikes!!! And people would PAY for that experience! PS: Watch Severance.

[@K_Shawn_Webb]

Didn't sound that bad

[@booleybTheClown]

3:27 i absolutely hate it when im trying to look for pictures of animals and a trillion ai generated pictures pop up

[@ellie8272]

You can add before:2023 to your search, that should filter out the AI

[@enayy619]

Honestly searching for anything good is exponentially more difficult

[@booleybTheClown]

@@ellie8272 its quite sad we have to do that to find real stuff

[@ellie8272]

@@booleybTheClown Agreed

[@wholegrainmilk1233]

I have a question for artists, genuinely trying to see how people would feel. I've been tempted to make a bot designed to mass poison data set. Using the same tech to scrape art but rather than putting it in a data set. Reuploading to other websites with nightshade. The bot would credit the original artists as a feature (making it easier for bots to find the poisoned sets). I've basically only started preliminary work for this but I want to see how a community at large would react to this

[@roach2635]

from my limited knowledge on how nightshade/alike tools work and from this short description, THIS SOUNDS SO COOL!

[@Drawwy_does_stuffs]

HOLY SHIT. yes

[@Vampire_Stawberry]

Remember! You’re an artist, and you have the power to draw anything! The next time an Ai bro messes with you, draw them pregnant!

[@blackjovian9414]

YES

[@reharm_reality]

As a fetish artist this is absolutely my new plan, thank you

[@Nox.x_ART]

@@reharm_reality I like where we’re heading with these plans

[@AuTumn_drawz_and_pawz]

Bet ai couldn't draw them pregnant HAHAHAHA >:D

[@twistedshere]

@@AuTumn_drawz_and_pawz ai would just make them fat lol

[@andrewtyrell4795]

Ai should be used to help with tedious, boring tasks like filing taxes, or as an assistant to remind people who need the help to take their meds or when they have appointments or events. The things ai is already good at. It should free our lives of the things that keep us from doing what we want like making art, music, and telling stories. It's a tool being used for the wrong things and in ways that can really only make matters worse.

[@He4vener]

Lots of AI users do think like that Too bad they consider lots of hobbies boring as well 'cause they just dont like them

[@VoidCael]

Id rather trust an accountant than ai w my taxes

[@fictionaddiction4706]

Yup and to sift emails, contracts, mathematical knowledge, make inventions available and easy to make, or in assistive technology. For the people with disabilities. everything is so expensive for them. Or to file boring documents, or in Robotics. In fact if there was really such a huge need for free images, and content. Then why not build a website, pay artists who are already underpaid the money to create on the site. And have people download that, instead of trying desperately to get a prompt done with mangled hands. Why do these investors like to pay an absorbent amount for a machine but not for people? Artists were already underpaid. Making an AI model is not cheap. They are ultimately paying more to put poor artists out of business, then they can charge people a lot.

[@deliberatelyaverage]

@@VoidCael I disagree. Hard disagree. Ai has no motives but to achieve its task. People are the ones you shouldnt trust

[@core-f]

But who decides what the tedious and boring tasks are?

[@astrovoid9393]

there's something so beautiful about how some of the earliest paintings humanity have created are of hands, while AI machines struggled with producing hands.

[@minestar2247]

Because, you should always remember, ai isnt human, it may be taught and trained by them, it may sound human, but it is not

[@mjt1517]

AI has no problem with hands in still images today. Video is still being developed but even with video, rendering hands won’t be a problem soon.

[@f-ggotgirl2659]

Actually, its not paintings, its imprints

[@FirstLast-wk3kc]

​@@f-ggotgirl2659it's emotional enough. Especially when you realise how real those persons are all millenia ago... Even before domesticating plants... Even before everything...

[@Frick8375]

@@mjt1517 I don’t think I’ve ever seen an ai image that hasn’t managed to fck up the hands in some way shape or form...

[@pinkdragon4830]

«I have no Mouth and I must Scream» was a warning for us. Good job with the poisoning

[@Hairy_Takoyaki]

I think Joanna Maciejewska's quote is the perfect counter to those who advocate the use of AI to free up time to do other things. "I want AI to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for AI to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes."

[@liamcoolcool]

yes

[@actually5004]

Western women think putting clothes in a washing machine then moving them to the dryer is "doing laundry" lmao I'm dying.

[@TwiliPaladin]

​@@actually5004Correct, it is. Glad we're on the same page.

[@beatyoubeachyt8303]

ai art is pro compression JPEGs now have PNG compression

[@johnbiff2664]

This quote is garbage lol. It's asking for ai to magically create solutions to what are actually issues of robotics/physical machinery. Even if ai was eventually integrated into this technology to some degree, that still doesn't solve the problem of making this tech cheap, overall functional, able to be mass produced to average people to solve these issues, etc.. The dumbest part is that we already have technological progress in making these tasks drastically easier, it's called a washing machine and a dishwasher ffs. These tasks already take minutes rather than the entire day to accomplish.

[@Blitz-.-]

i saw a short where someone (forgort their name) described the argument of using ai to save time and not have to practice as basically the equivalent of making an ai to play video games for you. yeah, maybe it'll save you the frustration of not being able to beat that one level, but like then what's even the point of having the game? and you'll never get the satisfaction finally figuring out how to do it.

[@Draconic404]

I love this analogy because it just works. video games are for fun, we cana gree on that. But grinding is mind boring so I use bots to gring. same for art: I draw things that are fun, but use ai for things that are forced on to me

[@PeriluneStar]

Yeah I saw something like that too, it's a really good analogy! A similar one would be having an AI watch a movie for you and tell you how it ended-

[@jc_art_]

​@@Draconic404 instead of using ai for those things, why not just say no? If its a job, and youre using Ai to just get it over with, then youre scamming the people that hired you. If its school work that you're using Ai for, then youre ignoring the point of going to the school in the first place. You should never feel forced to draw something you dont want to. When i was in high school, i hated art class because they wanted me to make every kind of art besides the ones i wanted to make, but i didnt use Ai to just get the class for free, i just didnt turn anything in and accepted the consequences for having bad grades. If youre going to go against what people ask you to do, then atleast deny them with some dignity instead of stooping low

[@iivin4233]

Games are already fake satisfaction in a number of cases. Not exclusively, but that is a part of their design.

[@thedragonthatlovesskittles7132]

my mother uses this exact excuse

[@BurntMeat_Productions]

Absolutely love it! Hate people who think AI is “superior” to actual artists/ animators, got into a argument with someone saying that basically all animators are just lazy scumbags and that ai will be better at animating in the future, bro, please 🙄.

[@stroodledoodles]

Animators are 'lazy scumbags'...that's a new one. If that's the case then why are they so chronically overworked? Where's the logic here lol

[@Rotodragon]

I thought ai was meant to be cool...

[@BurntMeat_Productions]

@@stroodledoodles THIS! We were on the fence about the people that worked on adult swim’s version of Uzumaki and they just say that bs, and I said that, while yes, the people that worked on those four episodes didn’t live up to expectations of everyone, saying that *all* animators were just scum is just.. ew. And I also told them that whether or not Ai gets better at animating, it’s gonna lack one thing, a soul. Life. It’s just gonna be an empty husk walking about..

[@stroodledoodles]

@@BurntMeat_Productions Facts! Just shows how little respect that person has for creatives, I hope they step on Legos

[@BabyZinc666]

@@stroodledoodles ikr, I have spent so many hours on a 5 second animation- and I keep getting undermined :

[@Feintgames]

I work in a marketing department for a hospital and they recently got all of us licenses to the top AI programs. The head of our PR department doesn't even write his own press releases anymore. I'm a photographer and artist and i think it's gross.

[@MeriadocMyr]

Doing this to specifically fuck up common prompts is petty and I love you for it.

[@SamKramer]

This right here. I didn't even know I cared about this until this video showed up in my recommendations, and it's the most perfect response to the problem

[@SuperSuccessfulTroll]

Its not petty, its mission critical

[@homeopathicfossil-fuels4789]

not petty, it is a viable resistance against the complete dissolution of humanity in human culture.

[@knm080xg12r6j991jhgt]

The other thing you can do is create really complicated prompts and force the computer to burn extra time on useless details, holding up other AI jobs. Spam the AI providers with that and force their energy and hardware bills to skyrocket. Or, take the images that are masked here and then post them to generate more inaccurate AI art, which you then use to generate yet more inaccurate AI art, etc, etc, etc. Or, you could take web advertisements and captchas that we all hate and then mislabel them so the AI thinks that stupid car commercial is a fantasy castle. Use the AI against itself.

[@homeopathicfossil-fuels4789]

@@knm080xg12r6j991jhgt i figured out they really struggle with cherokee and other native american languages especially if you force it to make up its own terms

[@YorikTheBlasphemous]

I know a LOT of disabled people also use their art as a job. Taking away our ability to make art for the sake of corporate greed is inherently ableist. Art is not an industry that can go through the equivalent of an industrial revolution because that's not the point. The journey of creation is more important than the end product for a lot of artists. Why would I want someone to take that away from me and make it "efficient"?

[@Draconic404]

that's just my view on things, but being forced to draw things (like illustrations or logos) is just mot fun and should be kicked to ai. paintings you do willingly or any toher form of art done by creativity and not restrictions are another subject

[@L00NSz]

@@Draconic404 those forms of art are typically commissioned, the artist isn't doing it for fun, they are getting paid, it's their job. delegating that to AI is taking people's jobs in an already very difficult field to get work in. not to mention it still has the same environmental harm regardless of what type of art it's being asked to generate.

[@TheMagicDragon-mm5dr]

Bringing ableism into this is a heavily unnecessary reach.

[@shoam8255]

​@@Draconic404 bro did not even watch the video 💀💀💀

[@EvanBear]

Actually, the AI bros brought ableism into this discussion first. They insist that disabled people need AI to be as capable as able-bodied folks. They insist that anyone who is against AI is ableist. Truth is, the opposite is the case. AI art and its supporters are ableist and to deny that is to give them more credit than they deserve. To insist that ableism does not belong into this discussion is to turn a blind eye to their ableism. Sincerely, a visually impaired artist.

[@trikster6748]

That part about people using AI to write their diploma essays is so scary if you think about it - then those people build bridges or teach children without actualy having the knowledge they should have 😢

[@joelrobinson5457]

During covid my whole year who was studying a course divided into software and hardware was given an automatic 100 mark as the class was removed due to covid, I have learned nothing about the practical uses, I have a hollow qualification saying I know something I don't better than people who actually tried and didn't get full marks. It's been years and it still irritates.

[@bluelfsuma]

​@@joelrobinson5457 That's... terrifying.

[@purplelily7764]

@@joelrobinson5457that would for real stress me out. Like not knowing something but having it on record that you do so everyone expects you to know it.

[@Chrizzbie]

In higher education, it is now almost impossible to do something like this due to plagiarism checks and newer generative text checkers. Plus, you got caught for doing this once, it can be grounds for expulsion. It isn't too much a problem as of right now, I more use it as a way to help me brainstorm in my essays or think of opposing viewpoints to arguments.

[@smithynoir9980]

Literally, that's all most qualification process' have been for decades now. They sell the education and course for profit then pass near-everyone without extremely serious reason not to. Most students have always just done enough to pass and then forget about it until they need the relevant information or skills.

[@psyoptic]

based

[@ni2nico]

I HATEEEE WHEN AI STEALS ART. Like we spend hours on it and then you just come, steal it, and “give” it to people after taking 2 seconds to finish it. ALSO CLAIMING ITS ART ITS BULLCRAP ITS JUST STOLEN COMPUTER AJDNVOISJEFNVOIURSFNVV Also edit: good there’s a way to kinda prevent it now

[@LavenderTowne]

exactlyyyy!!!

[@ni2nico]

IKR ALSO HI

[@frocco7125]

It's not stealing, it's fair use. The images the AI scans aren't stored or compressed inside the program. The AI just learns the patterns of what diffrent items and descriptions look like. There are issues with AI that should be fixed by the law, like unlabelled misinfo and immoral deepfakes, but it's still transformative and useful for more harmless stuff.

[@tinaherr3856]

​@@frocco7125but that is not truly the case. If that was the case, that the AI is learning what different images look like, why do they use a bunch of artists for reference? Why would they need drawings of humans, of apples, of animals, and more, instead of just using photos of real life things? They wouldn't need to use artists or their works to learn what those things look like, if they just viewed the real life images. Because the truth is, AI 16:24 isn't merely learning what those things look like in order to understand how to draw them. It actively trues to analyze and steal what real people have drawn, and (poorly) copies and throws together a mish-mash of images. It doesn't value or understand the original art.

[@Lyneyfan70]

​@@frocco7125 alr grampa time for bed

[@thethubbedone]

I'm really happy I watched this video. I've never seen anything from you before and I'm not an artist, but you did a fantastic job of elucidating how AI is art theft and imitation is not. Keep doing great work.

[@thatfunkadeus]

So tracing somebodys work is fine but using a couple abstract pixels of it in tandem with thousands of unrelated sources is evil? Cause I recall people on tumblr just a couple years ago freaking out about the "copycats" youre now defending.

[@thethubbedone]

@@thatfunkadeus I'm not defending anybody, but I do see her point about why the two are different

[@ctographerm3285]

​​@@thatfunkadeustracing another artist's work and selling it as your own is also plagiarism, and can get you sued See: Gene Simmons' son tracing the Bleach Manga for his own comic

[@HWShadow]

I am also a first time viewer :) Lavender really put all my thoughts into a succinct and well measured commentary. AI has good uses, but I see society (big corporate) reaching toward the bad all too often, and this video the classiest rebuke of what I also consider a "hollow" lifestyle. Well articulated Lavender.

[@crazycatlady2744]

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, as they say. Generative AI is completely lacking in sincerity of any form.

[@UndyingSins]

The thing that really gets me about the comment saying "Let AI do it and go spend time doing stuff you want" Oh stuff I want? Like struggling to make money and survive? How about working in a grocery store for the rest of my life? That sounds terrible to me, and not at all what I want to do. But it's what I'm stuck doing right now, because it's so impossible to find jobs in art-respective fields because of AI. AI isn't allowing me to do what I want. It's forcing me to have to take any job I can get to try and scrape enough money to survive.

[@The1FishFry]

Finally with no need to be creative and do the things I love I have more time to idk bedrot??🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@commenter03162]

“I want AI to do my laundry so i can do art not AI to do my art so i can do the laundry” -i forgot the original source but its a cool quote

[@kittyt.s.p]

@@commenter03162me on my way to steal the quote and send it to 40 discord servers cutely

[@Mendychannel]

So basically you're not against AI, you're against companies.

[@adisca2k]

I mean, this is just capitalism. AI is the competition that does things faster and cheaper at the expense of artistic quality. A soulless worker with soulless creations for a soulless society, quite fitting really.

[@ferociousfeind8538]

The only ethical use of AI: autonomously generate images, apply nightshade to them, and post them to the places that AI companies scrape from.

[@LizardStew-do8in]

It really inspires me to see how everyone’s fighting back against AI. Companies probably thought we would eat it up, and I’m very glad to see how much people actually care about what they do. This is awesome :)

[@frohnatur9806]

Indeed! Also remember: lfft wnng ideas seeming to be about equally as prevalent as rggt wnng ones is a result of the latter being backed by all the green paper. Most people just want a just world, but the selfish ones spend a lot on proper gander to keep their paper (trying not to get my com del by bots. Happens A LOT)

[@DERPARASS]

MY BRO JUST SAID "there are no actions with no consequences" YOU ARE THE GOAT LOVE YA❤❤❤❤

[@Koinezar]

Yeah. Using ai-poisons will prompt people to create stuff for detecting/bypassing them. And after that it'll be an arms race which would be won by side with more money.

[@cryingwatercolours]

i love it when artists get back at ai without… generating their own ai to redraw… this is much more effective

[@flyingwambulance]

I got some bad news for you. This is using generative AI to redraw the image.

[@cryingwatercolours]

@@flyingwambulance lol no it’s not

[@smithynoir9980]

@@cryingwatercolours Yes it is, the Nightshade AI and similar tools are AI tools too. You can deny the reality all you like, doesn't make it true or your right. I know buddy, when you've oversimplified just to comprehend the issue, it can be hard to see the nuance. But you can do it! I believe in you!

[@cryingwatercolours]

@@smithynoir9980 do you have sources for this? what seems is happening is that noise is generated to cover the art, rather than exploiting artists and generating a piece- however you’ve given me pause as to what the environmental effects are of this

[@minestar2247]

​​@@cryingwatercolours that's the thing, to make the noise, it's not just a filter, it goes through a whole algorithm to produce the final result, which is by definition ai generated. So yeah, it uses ai to poison other models

[@octave772]

you did nothing but spit facts, i despise AI as it stands today, its everyday advancements need to be stopped, its so messed up we live in a world where we have to genuinely question whether or not your looking at real honest hard work or an algorithm and a spinless, talentless prompter lying to you. I'm so sick of seeing art and thinking its good only to realize its nothing more than stolen Frankenstein-ed art from talented lovely people.

[@LOL-bu5nv-2]

Last part is a you-problem. Grow up

[@FireSilver25]

I’m a Navajo jeweler and seeing all the knockoffs flooding the market is soul crushing. Most consumers want “the look” for a fraction of the authentic’s price. But that affects the livelihoods of thousands of already marginalized people that often live in remote areas. So it’s tough to find other jobs. Older Native artists in many mediums are telling younger ones to do something else because there’s no future in art. I’m sharing this video because it’s so awesome!!!! Maybe there’s some way to interfere with other knock offs, too.

[@GrayAvian]

Oh hey my uncle is also a jeweler, I've been to flea markets outside the rez with white people trying to sell "authentic" turquoise jewelry and it all looks like plastic to me. I really hope people start noticing that the fake turquoise is fake

[@Koreley]

out of pure curiosity, do you have a gallery you can link to for your works? i'd love to see it!

[@halliebairey9678]

​@@KoreleySame here! I'd love to know Im buying from an authentic seller even if it is more expensive!!

[@narindercatt2230]

People are wanting more bang for their buck. Preferably for 0 bucks. People finally get a cheaper/more effective option. People who used to profit on the outdated method lose money because they cannot keep up with changes. They oppose the changes. Slowly but surely most of them are outcompeted. The only ones left are those who are able to capitalise on the difference between old and new method. The new method became the new norm. This is the story of how cars outcompeted horses. History tends to repeat itself.

[@halliebairey9678]

@@narindercatt2230 Why did you watch this video if that's your opinion? It goes directly against what was just argued, which is that not all people see profit as their priority. That is especially true in the art world where authenticity is often just as valued if not more so. Besides if you truly thought that then "The customer is always right in matters of taste" should be phrase your very familar with. If large groups of people are telling you that they value authenticity then authenticity is what sells.

[@leecinnamon7231]

I've been looking at aesthetic kitchens as inspiration for my own and there are TONS of AI kitchen images on Pinterest. That would be a great prompt to poison!

[@Bloxicorn]

I know pinterest sucks trying to find architecture inspiration now. I find a cool looking image but I can't really emulate it because when you zoom in it's wonky and the architecture doesn't really make sense. You can't learn how to make beautiful works of art without learning the details.

[@ItzMuffinzz]

I’ve also been having issues with references, specifically one of my characters is drawn in a 90’s anime style that’s different from my own so I look up references. Now every time I look for references I get a bunch of Ai slop that isn’t even in the art style I want.

[@lapinajustleft]

Exactly! Using Pinterest for room ideas for my characters but especially when i try to get some cottage core photos for one of my oc’s but keep getting recommended AI generated cottages!

[@Saliferous]

You do know the ai images.... are also poison right?

[@minhuang8848]

Okay, but what exactly do you think this poisoning does because it changes exactly nothing about well-curated datasets lmao, this is like buying crystals to balance out your negative chakras or something

[@Equines_and_Animals]

One thing I hate is scientific articles using ai generated images of animals in place of actual scientific sketches and photos that showcase the traits of the animal accurately. Go to google and look up any specific type of bug, there will be an ai generated one with too many legs, weird eyes, stuff joining in random places, etc. FUCK AI

[@Roth.B]

the fact 'scientific' articles are using Ai images already makes them a terrible source and honestly should instantly make you question their legitimacy. If they used AI for the images they probably used it for the writing

[@六工業のカービィ]

In my Google feed, over half of engineering related publications have degenerate furthermore, abominable machines, or not something that could be called a mechanism/machine AI generated hell as an image.

[@Equines_and_Animals]

@@六工業のカービィ It’s so fucking annoying and terrifying

[@snowballcresent7327]

I hate insects, but did it anyways and honestly your right there was 5 I soon as I looked it up!

[@Shadowkey392]

Did that, guess what I found: no AI images. If you’re going to make stuff up, don’t make it something that can easily be disproven. And by the way, those Ai-generated images? They’re probably not ai-generated.

[@Tyler_Nelson]

I think doing the "ai retraining drawings" that you mentioned at about 14:00 THEN poisoning it sould do even MORE harm!

[@bootsmecat7810]

Hearing Haley say that she loves when people try to replicate her style legit made me so happy??? My current style is still evolving, but I got my start by replicating the art of people I admired (namely Haley and Ghost And Pals) and it's just kinda grown from there. It's that kind of work that has gotten me into art school qnd down the path of being an illustrator!!

[@SV-Carroll]

GHOST AND PALS MENTION

[@amberr3662]

YES GHOST AND PALS I REMEMBER DRAWING MYSELF AS NORMAN FROM HONEY I'M HOME THE USE OF WHITE LINES OVER A BLACK BACKGROUND WAS SO COOL TO ME LMAO I think I put "so with advice of the dead and a halo over my head" in quotes somewhere

[@PettyNoir512]

My notebook is filled to the brim with sketches of Christopher Pierre, it's what got me into art in the first place.

[@KitKat_kittykat]

SAAAAAAAMMME! my art style... It's a mixed bag. Every time I draw something differently, but the main similarities are still there. I also started off trying to replicate art styles (namely Nirami, Zeyn (forgot the complete channel name but if you know you know), Shandzii, lavendertowne, etc. ) and yeah it ABSOLUTELY helps

[@mikethegoo]

Her name is Haley!? I love that name!

[@ogurasyn2354]

"Be gentle on my realism" Girl, your realism is out of this world! I could dream to achieve that level rn

[@Insanity_TM]

“I want AI to do my laundry and dishes, so I can write and draw. I don’t want AI to do my writing and drawing, so I can do the laundry and dishes”

[@ba_vinci9220]

You don't need AI for those, there are dishwashers and washing machines. If you want someone else to load it for you, you don't need nor want an AI, but servant. In the end this comment isn't that smart, it's dumb af. Don't be so lazy, and "problem" will be fixed.

[@Squidbush8563]

It's more, "I want AI to do the writing and drawing for me so I can make money while doing nothing myself!"

[@nathanmarchant-fh9uw]

@@Squidbush8563 Is the ability to be able to make money while not being forced to do something a common thing people dream about?

[@explodethebomb]

It already does those things. You don't know dishwashers and washing machines exist?

[@cosmickitteh]

I draw irl cute little cartoon cats; I like using a cheap scanner and ai to give them high quality effects like lighting, cute bubbles, and pretty sparkles. And if I want to make anything outside of this like a OC... I can do so without forking over 3 digits worth of work money for a singular image.. Some of you have completely forgotten how lucky you are. Some of us live in a 1st world country but reside within 3rd world states making bare minimum... I'm talking 7.25 an hour bare minimum. I can't even afford "going out" to any degree; I havent gone to a *single* place in *years* on average I have less than 50$ to spend on whatever I want for the *entire* month after everything else is said and done. Imagine working a year and if anything cost money you just don't get to partake *period* Also you have less than 600$ a year if you saved up every single penny you possibly could for the whole year of work. Congratulations if you read this because you have a small window into around 12% of the bottom of the population that isn't homeless has to deal with including me.

[@ninja666gaming]

sadly I don't think this will do much considering the huge volume of data ai image generators have, but it can definitely help to protect individual creators who don't want people making lora's or models based off of their art. The video also informs others about how to protect their art with this tool and spread this further so still really cool and helpful.

[@eegernades]

It absolutely does nothing. I dont know where people figured this would do something. But has done nothing to stop a model from being trained. I gave it a go and trained a model specifically on these images, and these images with "protection" did nothing.

[@LOL-bu5nv-2]

​@@eegernadesLOL, indeed human artists are losing

[@eegernades]

@@LOL-bu5nv-2 I wouldn't say losing. This isn't a game. I just don't want any artists to rely on some false sense of protection when the reality is it does nothing. Especially if these "protections" start charging money.

[@PTp1ranha]

Artists are in this weird paradoxical position where their works are considered mystical in some way, unattainable and special, admirable in a way… and yet the artists themselves are considered uppity and need to be taken down a peg by the common man, hence their opinions are disregarded. It’s been like that for ages, but now it’s even worse.

[@Sheesh7328]

I hate the phrase common man, y’all didn’t put in the work and training so y’all don’t get to talk

[@PTp1ranha]

@@Sheesh7328 Artists work hard for what they have. I wonder how the AIheads would take it if machines played sports instead of humans.

[@Dice-Z]

People in the entertainement & art industry have always been incredibly mistreated. People have zero respect for artists, illustrators, comedians, book writers, singers, composers, content creators, live streamers, game devs, you name it. Look at any of these people and see how much they get shat on, and are expected to be saints. Actors are some of the most respected jobs in that industry, some of the only ones who tend to not get treated completely unfairly. Until you get to asian Idol culture. They think they are luxurious, easy jobs that pay incredibly by sitting on a cushy chair a couple hours a day with a lot of downtime. Like they all came from a prestigious art school their rich parents paid for. That they should have access to all of their work for free (people have a strong sense of entitlement towards entertainement, and i get it, entertainement should be easily accessible, but it doesn't justify the abuse). That they are entitled to them continuously releasing content and they CANNOT STAND paying for it. People are completely disconnected from the reality of people working in these industries.

[@skystar231]

I didn't expect anything less from someone with a skeletor pfp. Preach the truth! Artists deserve better!

[@prim8512]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@rataca100 I am sad to inform you, but you are not the arbiter of value. Also, entertainment and sanity is a survival need, so you have contradicted yourself. People need entertainment, even you yourself. It’s easy to say anything, if you say you don’t value such pretty pixels, then why are you here? Why do you have an account? Why are you trying to entertain yourself if entertainment aren’t needed? Everyone thinks survival is just eating and sleeping. But they forget that survival also depends on someone’s mental health. -tangent- But of course everyone shrugs that off. Nobody cares for such things because they want to pretend they are an unfeeling machine that are just built different. They think that all they need is to make money and grind to the top, not realised they’re laying on their back with their phone on their stomach eating Cheetos. The opposite of their supposed mindset. People pretend art is worthless because it’s merely entertainment, forgetting that beer and any tasty food they eat or drink are also luxury, why have that when they can have an efficient tasteless slop? Would they be able to comfortably say they don’t need entertainment? Again, art has no respect despite being next to humanities side. Unappreciated. Doesn’t matter, nobody appreciates anything. Edit: I can tell I’m gonna get a fecal storm thrown at me. I’m not gonna answer, but I will give a challenge to those who opposed my ideal. Live up to what you say, avoid entertaining for at least 9 or 12 months. Avoid tasty food and drinks, go for the most cost efficient food no seasoning, just water and milk. Don’t try to enjoy yourself, live the monotonous life you think you can live without, survive with what you think you only need to.

[@Seronimo93]

The "replacing your family member with a robot" was such a good metaphor. I'm going to use that.

[@Brickerbrack]

For some, that might be preferable. 😜

[@Volcano22207]

Don’t worry, there’s already a girlfriends being made , that alone says enough about some of these people

[@ad3lisfrench]

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard tbh

[@tedtiger7774]

It's so critical to understand that art, like a good book, is in part communication from the author/artist to the reader/viewer. It is not only a form of beauty, but a form of communication. AI simply can't replace that, because it has nothing to say of itself. It only echoes the crowd

[@Blaze6108]

As Stephen King said, writing (and art) is telepathy. I can communicate things to you by conjuring them in your mind without having to directly describe them. A world where people consume art made by nobody, so that artists can make art enjoyed by nobody... that sounds like a dystopia. The final destruction of human communication, since apparently social media wasn't enough.

[@wickederebus]

And when I use AI to create art to convey "big tiddy anime girl doing X pose with Y outfit and Z background in Q colors" im communicating what is in my head to others.

[@Blaze6108]

@@wickederebus You could only do this if you were disclosing the prompt, which I've never seen anyone do (extremely weird IMO). And even then, you'd be limited to the contents of the prompt since that is what's actually in your head and you're working to create.

[@Xx4DarkVoid4xX]

They can filter out poisoned art from data sets easily by checking if generated art based off only 1 image looks right. Also They can probably easily modify it to convert poison into normal art

[@0Lottee0]

It isn't that I'm not grateful for these applications like Nightshade and Glaze, but I am frustrated with the snails pace at which legal protections are even being *considered* in regards to regulating Ai. I am glad we have these protections available, but it should not be the artists responsibility to protect themselves in this way - we should have laws that keep all of us safe. Not just from copyright theft with written and visual works, but from having our likenesses stolen the way celebrities currently are and from the spread of propaganda. I'm seeing people let their children use character Ai chat programs where ten year olds can talk to cartoon characters through phone apps and that's so incredibly dangerous not just for the child but for the voice actors having their likenesses manipulated. The entire thing is a disaster and I am frustrated with how so little is being done to protect people and regulate the use of Ai in these ways.

[@avian_hearted]

EXACTLY! finally someone brings this up.

[@SaiyanSerenityV]

Voice actor here, and I could not agree more. Currently, all we really have at our disposal is a protection rider that we can have signed before agreeing to work on a project (shoutouts to NAVA for making this document available for us). This paper shield is thin - it only gives us the grounds to seek legal action against the clients themselves. In my early days I did work on one of the most popular Skyrim mods on Nexus, which had a ton of character mods scraped and dumped into Elevenlabs a little while back (and used for a LOT of NSFW mods). To this day, I have no way of knowing if my voice was stolen and repurposed, and even if it was... there isn't anything I can do about it. There's no prevention technique, no way to poison the audio file without making it unfit for broadcast quality. Any joe on the internet can just rip a file and we have nothing to protect ourselves from it.

[@retro_guyy1015]

PREACH

[@SaiyanSerenityV]

@@0Lottee0 cool, KZbin deleted my comment but I agree with you thank you for speaking up on it

[@MaakaSakuranbo]

New to tech eh? :P Legal stuff is always at a snail's pace compared to tech progress

[@Sophias_Smile]

“Now artists don’t have to draw!” Well, if you don’t want to do art… no one is making you be an artist…

[@cashewfluffypop5893]

Like it's the only possible way to do art. Glitch artists right now be like... 💀

[@Mirro18]

"Let's go to McDOnalds, so now you don't have to cook" Ai Bros talking to chefs, probably.

[@jimjimson6208]

The thing is, they do want to be viewed as an artist. It's like that guy who used AI in an art competition and is now crying about how he can't copyright 'his works'. He desperately wants people to view him as an artist to the point where he goes on pathetic rants about how people need to respect AI 'artists', and how it's so unethical that people are stealing his work (LOL). It isn't that they don't want to be artists, it's that they don't want to put in the effort to actually become one. Tech bros will never be artists because they fundamentally cannot understand that the human experience of the process is just as important as the outcome.

[@smithynoir9980]

The problem is when a job calls for the use of an image, the company will turn to the quick and easy solution; AI generation. For people that want to keep art their hobby, AI can never take that from you.

[@_.-.]

Right? And now you CAN get art WITHOUT being OR needing an artists? Isn't it wonderful?

[@fithysoft]

The best thing about art is being able to say that you made it, even if it is really crappy. Telling a robot to make it is worse that making bad art because you at least had fun making it. Its essentially telling someone to make something for you and saying that you made it.

[@headphonesaxolotl]

My interactions with the online art community have been the opposite. Can't post anything because artists are often some of the most patronizing on the internet. "Aww, it's okay, you'll learn actual skills someday!" "Maybe in five years you 'll be able to take commissions!" "So brave for posting this!" etc.

[@andreea_75]

Art is a way to express yourself. It's not just to produce more and more art. Take baking, why would some people prefer to bake cakes, cupcakes, etc, instead or ordering it to their house? Because it is a hobby. Your supposed to enjoy it. The end product feels rewarding because you put your heart and soul in it. If you just generate a picture, what's the point? You will know you didn't put any effort into it.

[@lavapug]

All these ai tech bros clearly want to make pieces of art, but they believe that the process of art creation itself is some horrible slog instead of the beautiful process it is. They've married themselves to ai, a soulless, boring, unoriginal way to make "art," and thus will never know the joy that comes from finding your artstyle, admiring something you spent time on and created with your own two hands, drawing silly little doodles and showing them to your friends. It's sad, really. They can't understand the true point of art.

[@Elvyne]

Just lazy sacks of meat

[@kaleenar963]

I’m someone who does think art is an absolute slog, but even I think AI is stupid. I want control over every little detail! Being able to simply draw something the way you want it is way better (and more efficient!) then regenerating for hours until you give up and accept whatever the AI came up with as “close enough :/“. If I could get myself to enjoy the process, instead of just being stuck with a head full of ideas, then I would be unstoppable…

[@RainiiDay7]

@@kaleenar963 If you ask me, the best way to change your mindset is to just draw whatever you feel like drawing. Even if its not master level beautiful, as long as you're satisfied with what you made, then its all good. And the more you do this the better your art will be. Of course, Im just saying this from experience. But if you really wanna learn how to draw, just make sure you enjoy making art, because that's the beauty of it.

[@tanoak_matsutake]

I don't think ai tech bros think art creation is a soulless unoriginal way per se, boring though probably, it's more like they're taking the easy way out in my opinion. Drawing, painting, sculpting, creating something takes a long time to master, and like you said, the process is beautiful as you learn to create something with your own hands, making mistakes, learning from those mistakes, mastering the skills. Technology was made for convenience and to assist humans, so with how it's advancing, using AI to replicate and produce "art" is much faster. There's no need for years of learning, just type in some words and boom, an image is generated. And that's the sad part, that people want to find an easier road to do something when sometimes there isn't an easy road. Learning is a long hard task, and not everyone enjoys learning, I understand that, but it's not right to use something that you know takes someone else's work just because you don't want to learn for yourself. Wish they realized that it's okay to take it slow and start from the ground up, I mean art is as much of a hobby as it is a job, and to enjoy a hobby, you relax with it and just take your time to do it. That's what makes it fun.

[@flyingwambulance]

As someone who uses AI to generate images, I laugh at both sides. No, I am not an artist and will never claim that I am. But neither are the hundreds of billions of cartoon / anime drawers. I uses AI to make customade images because painters (I refuse to call them artists) lacks imagination and creativity.

[@brockmckelvey7327]

I *REALLY* hope these "generators" face serious legal consequences. Stealing art, then reselling facsimiles of that art is absolutely deplorable

[@jc_art_]

Its been years at this point, i dont think they're facing consequences any time soon. What they lose in lawsuits isnt much compared to what they gain from greedy investors like Meta, Google, and Elon.

[@carolynkraemer-w3q]

There is a quick and easy way to get rid of A I if someone would step in and just ban the apps that create it! Also poisoning the AI works too​ cuz if it didn't look good, no one wants@@jc_art_

[@wattzwatt]

The issue is that the model trainers usually aren't committing any crimes, it's the data harvesters, which are almost always not the same people.

[@bluelfsuma]

We just need to infiltrate them and start stealing off of a company like Disney. Use the capitalism to your advantage.

[@tteqhu]

​@@wattzwatt If data harvesters/dataset makers are responsible for copyright infringement, then I don't see why it wouldn't be illegal for those processing the data. It's hard to assume that hundreds of millions or billions of works are infringement free.

[@nschannel826]

Like so many have said before: I want AI to do my laundry so I have more time to do art. Not the other way around.

[@ezfrialxa]

OMG LAVENDER!! i used to binge watch your vids back in the day and i forgot your name on youtube so i couldn’t find you :( so glad i found ya

[@therussianprincess7036]

About the “people copying/drawing what you did” vs “people prompting what you drew” being similar. I’ve seen this discourse online - that people redrawing your things is basically the same kind of plagiarism. The difference is that by redrawing things *we learn* how to do it ourselves, not how to steal it the easiest way. Besides, I have had it happen that someone liked my piece enough to redraw it in their style exactly once, and I cannot emphasize enough how flattering that was!

[@niftyskyblue]

I believe she was referring to the way some people will trace over someone else’s art and try to pass it off as their own, rather than the way some people will trace over someone else’s art as a way to practice

[@-localbard-]

Exactly. Art is about developing muscle memory, learning what something is supposed to look like and replicating it in your own style. Yes, new artists use art they like as inspiration and try to replicate it, but the difference between that and telling an AI to do the same thing is that the human learns from the process. They develop a style based on their own abilities and they retain those skills and use them to create original works. The art I make is evocative of the styles I like, but it's still visibly different. Maybe I couldn't get the eyes to look good, so I changed them in a way that's easier for me to draw consistently. Maybe the colors were a bit too complex, so I started making mine flatter. Every decision is made to tailor the art to my own preferences and abilities. AI prompters don't learn shit, nothing is gained.

[@NickAndriadze]

Your point about sharing art around as human species and how it's a good thing to try to aspire to a much better artist and trying to draw in their style really touched me. We should share art as _humans,_ not as lifeless monstrosities that meld passionate creatoins into a corporate feverdream!

[@LOL-bu5nv-2]

And from what is did you derive this ought from? Fancy appeal to emotion you got there tho

[@ewill3435]

I've been encouraging artist friends to poison their work for years now! Messing with the metadata, applying glazing filters, adding inappropriate tags, etc. etc. I'm so happy to see a big name in the digital art community advocating the same!

[@hipjoeroflmto4764]

And the efforts aren't proven to work yet lol nice try tho

[@incendas]

It was a good idea a year ago or more, but it's not really creating any significant problems for users. AI moves so fast that you need to adapt what you're doing as well if you want to keep up. If you're making a lora, you'd typically manually sort through 20-50 images, maybe 100 or so if you're training a big concept or several concepts. Quality is absolutely king so artefacting and resolution is the first thing you look at. When I was making my first lora (18 images, realistic character), I spent a long time manually editing things like hair strands on ears to avoid the tendency to interpret that as earrings (SDXL, typical for that model). No way I wouldn't notice this type of thing and immediately remove it from my dataset.

[@Volcano22207]

@@incendas adversarial AI is a thing , changeing individual pixels to completely mess up other ai image recognition, it can be automated the same way as ai art

[@incendas]

@@Volcano22207 it's a pretty ineffective "thing" thus far... Also doesn't affect existing models at all

[@ezfrialxa]

you worded everything so well, i especially like this bit 12:42 and everything you mentioned while you were drawing the cartoon girl. i always thought the same way, but never knew how to put it into words like this

[@HoneyKitten1832]

This is GENIUS.

[@LavenderTowne]

it’s such an amazing technology right!!! Idk how they figured it out but I’m so impressed

[@stuchly1]

​@LavenderTowne im just so happy artists have a sort of counter weapon! Thank you for taking the effort to talk about this! ❤❤❤

[@MusicalRaichu]

@@LavenderTowne another strategy I've seen on sites where you can add textual tags is add an incorrect tag here and there.

[@Ruler_of_theUniverse]

​@@MusicalRaichu I was talking to my dad about this and he also suggested putting two different images on top of each other like a dog photo over an alien photo AI will just see it as a dog so it will start giving dogs alien features!

[@Draconic404]

@@Ruler_of_theUniverse I'm pretty sure that wouldn't work tho. unless a significant amount of photos labeled dog have alien features it wouldn't make a difference

[@peytoia]

i honestly kind of like the way the stuff produced by poisoned models looks. i want to emulate the weird dreamlike effect of it in my own art but it’s difficult.

[@joegamergaming]

The texturing is actually pretty neat!

[@cactustactics]

Maybe making a copy then big blurring + unsharp mask and layering it on top with a luminance blend or something might work? It has a look like some areas have expanded (blur) but then they also have extreme halos around the edges (unsharp mask, especially with the light edge turned down and the dark one turned up). Maybe some levels/curves adjustment after the blur to make it more contrasty too Unless you meant by hand in which case I'm way out of my depth :3

[@sodakuwun0707]

infinitely based pfp. DS is best bird

[@peytoia]

@@sodakuwun0707 thanks lol

[@peytoia]

@@cactustactics i mean the distorted structures and extra eyes. it looks like something that shouldnt exist. i like it ive already figured out the halo effect tho, thanks!

[@Im_just_a_banana]

*“Ai artists” seeing this video:* NoOooOOooOo you can’t do that *Lavender:* Hehehe, poison

[@Soul_Sunnyyyy]

Poison 😍

[@sperzieb00n]

cool that its a nvidia tool that can do the poinsoning, though i've seen this technique before and that one was easily mitigated or defeated by re-scaling the image or by capturing it from screen into a lossy format, weird and strategic tagging seems like the better thing if you really want to give makers of large models a tougher time.

[@jc_art_]

​@@sperzieb00n imagine just creating a bunch of static and noise, then giving it every single positive tag possible, then spamming like a billion of them across the internet, so Ai image generation just reverts back to how it was 4 years ago with cursed blobs that might vaguely resemble "something"

[@Desecrated_E]

@@jc_art_ Yes

[@bluelfsuma]

"AI bros" works, they ain't artists by any definition of the word.

[@DeadnyMaster]

Diference between geting inspired and using Ai: -inspiration: you really like that style that you want to make it yours. It makes you feel good -using ai: you don't care about that style at all, you are just prompting it because looks "comercializable" or because the artist has a famous art style and you want to make a lucrative piece out of it.

[@nanardeurlambda]

I freely admit I liked ai image generation when it was doing dumb surrealist nonsense that couldn't be confused for human art. but then the "replace artists with robots" aspect of things slowly got too significant to ignore

[@Chaki21]

I remember 5-6 years ago, like end 2019, a friend of mine said "AI will replace every jobs ! How exciting !" And me, a future game designer, said : "Well, it can't replace creativity, right ?" Goddamn was 12 years old me right (Also I said that because I didn't want robots to overtake my future job, now I'm not even remotly scared they will be able to.)

[@maplesugar7409]

I was the same way. I enjoyed generating the weirdest images and using them as shitposts but not anymore. My problems with AI started when the image generators got good enough to replicate human art.

[@minestar2247]

Same, that surrealist art is a relatively difficult thing to replicate for humans, and it is not as destructive as more human like models

[@frohnatur9806]

​@@Chaki21 I think you're right, overall, but I also think that it will take many years for the ubiquity of AI "art" to collapse, because recently it got mostly indistinguishable from the real deal, and it will take time until the capabilities of AI stagnate due to lacking input to the point of being noticeable as a problem. I think that might've been confusing, so here's what I think will (need to) happen step by step: 1.) Most if not all artists will lose their job, i.e. be unable to live off their art and be forced to do other work due to the competition by AI. 2.) Less artists means less art means less new source material to feed the AI. 3.) AI will at best start to become ever more samey and boring and will lack the inclusion of novel concepts, or at worst (for AI bros) feed on its own products, making its "art" devolve into something so sloppy we can't really imagine today. 4.) The whole mess will become so noticeable that real human artists will start to be in demand again, and AI art will become a thing of the past, or more likely, find its own little niche. All that doesn't consider the possibility of a universal basic income though, which is theoretically EASILY possible - at the very least in the western world - and would possibly support the continued feasibility of art as a fulltime job

[@jakkaljakobie8774]

I remember back when Photoshop became widely available and the internet suddenly panicked because "what if this photo had been edited", now we can spot a Photoshop from a mile away. I think as artists one of the best thing we can do (besides nightshading, suing, and corrupting searches) is to get familiar with what ai looks like so we dont accidentally start using ai models for reference, don't support websites that regurgitate AI, and most importantly dont model ourselves on these systems. Photoshop lead to a significant rise of eating and mental health disorders, and the only thing i can see ai art doing is distorting our perception of reality even further.

[@CrystalLily1302]

okay but someone who is good with photoshop can edit images in some ways that are very hard to detect so we really can only detect bad photoshop from a mile away

[@jakkaljakobie8774]

@@CrystalLily1302 I agree. The same goes for ai unfortunately. Either way there is a learning curve and I think we should rise to meet it.

[@SioxerNikita]

You can't spot a Photoshop a mile away... that is a silly assertion... like really silly... it depends on the quality and effort. Tons of movie CGI is completely invisible... And Photoshop leads to a significant rise of eating and mental health disorders? No... an unhealthy use of social media does... You don't need Photoshopped images for that. Retouched images are far older than Photoshop, and the issues got bad when social media got "personalized", and people share fake "real life"...

[@Voldrim359]

​@@SioxerNikita there is a lot of stuff to do in an image to edit it properly, if you have to add objects, kinda hard since you have to match the lights, the shadow, the contact shadows (that's the most common error) reflections, deep, blend. It's hard and we didn't see that many images anymore since we spotted the errors more quicker every time. CGI now days is kinda a of a disaster since they want to produce something in less time, which leds to the third eye of Dr.Strange

[@SioxerNikita]

@@Voldrim359 And yet people can do edits, additions and changes seamlessly. CGI is also not a mess today, it's just the CGI studios not getting enough time. There are tons of CGI and frankly just "Photoshopping" done in a wide variety of shows and movies you'd never guess was edits. The stuff that is obvious, is just the stuff not done properly.

[@ClabeTickel]

It’s actually so annoying how so many people don’t understand the importance of real art in our society; ai generated images haven’t existed for that long and yet they are already taking a toll on everything we know. Piece by piece every art form we consume will be an emotionless blend of beautiful art created long in the past. But ai relying on itself is ultimately a well deserved calamity of its own demise and the rue art Wel gleam with beauty.

[@flyingwambulance]

What real artists exist in todays day and age? Would you call LavenderTowne an artist? I don't see any artistic about her. She can draw, yes, but that is far from real art.

[@jun-rose]

What is real art? A banana stapled to a wall in a showing? Lmao

[@ClabeTickel]

@@jun-rose you choose the most outlandish examples to support your inhuman claims. If even watched this video would probably be a little more understanding

[@beawi994]

​@@ClabeTickelwhat do you define as "real art"

[@ClabeTickel]

@@beawi994 human expression, through out any medium. An ai has nothing to express and when asked to it just takes expressive art made by humans and mashes it together. I don’t know why you want a robot to be the one to create every form of art that you consume.