Making Sense Of Mishima - Tekken 8: Unforgotten Echoes Revisions & Next Story Expansion Suggestion

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[@Enigmo1]

Turning Eddy from the cool and quiet type to a mid generic my hero academica type shonen sidekick personality was the worst crime of this story

[@X--pv7kz]

I c your point, but it was kinda fun seeing Eddy show out like that😂. All we ever get is sad Eddy, Angry Eddy, and Quiet Eddy. It was just nice to see ya boy crack a joke, ya know what I mean?

[@Enigmo1]

@@X--pv7kz he didn't just crack a joke tho he became a full on kids show goody goody

[@X--pv7kz]

@Enigmo1 True, they definitely should've done things differently, but I can't lie tho I laughed my ass off watching eddy save the day with Capoeira and drop kick all those Jack-8's. Shit was cinema 🎥

[@TheVAGNETTO]

I'll take this Eddy 24/7 instead of a joke he was in T7, after Lucky Chloe shat on him big time

[@SnowflakeSSQ]

Seriously I was laughing seeing everyone become this superhero and when I saw Heihachi like that I was losing it but thank god he came to his senses and they didn't kill his character.

[@BigRuZ587]

Even Namco knew charging us for that story would blow up in their face

[@dorellusthagod]

So they charged us for the stage instead... and it still blew up in their face

[@arpadszabo661]

@@dorellusthagod which is stupid. What should blow up in their faces is charging us for old main roster characters in form of dlc (or charging for Lidia as a dlc character two games in a row), or the nonexistent free costumization options since release, or not being able to lab against characters we don’t own, or the battlepass, or the scummy Tekken shop release. It’s laughable that people still don’t really care about these but everyone cries about a $5 stage that’s actually not a reused asset unlike 80% of other things they charge for.

[@dorellusthagod]

@@arpadszabo661 Those things were only the fuse, the stage was the actual bomb 💀

[@vadandrumist1670]

I was ready for Reina to be the next big thing, but now she's just another part of Heihachi's scheme.

[@adamlannerd1408]

There will be another random Mishima kid in T9.

[@alekid]

or even less than a scheme. Just a new character in the main roster. Great job Namco.

[@GOTTA_RUN]

Did you seriously think she was gonna be any more than what she is now lmao

[@arpadszabo661]

She got a great setup for the main villain role at the end of the main story. Jin and Kazuya lost their devil powers while Reina awakened hers. But nah, Heihachi is back and its 99% that he’s stronger than devil Reina and talks about other people who are about to awaken their devil genes… truly disappointing

[@C.R.Cole331]

Don't let someone gaslight you into believing that Tekken 8 story DLC is worth any amount of money. It's free for a reason.

[@RealMikeHollow]

After playing it I'm not sure you could even find a way to trick people into buying it without bursting into laughter.

[@arpadszabo661]

At least they have more self awareness than NRS and decided to not even attempt charging for it. Even though i’d like to see a chart about who bought khaos reigns for the story and who for the character early access.

[@MythicPlanet]

I got two suggestion for the story expansion. Have the monks look innocent at first. But nehind doors theyre corrupt. Second is to have redeemed heihachi a little bit more.

[@Vorloru]

Truly an anime story, regaining memories by headbutting a meteor. It's so fucking terrible, I love it.

[@RealMikeHollow]

😂😂😂

[@Ken-oh-Disciple]

I think I realised within 15 minutes that the story was going to be stupid, so I just sat back and enjoyed the ride. I kind of wanted to see just how daft it could get and I wasn't let down; Eddy putting out firestorms with capoeira spins, flying deus ex machina monks, headbutting meteors, Heihachi turning face then heel again, it was so dumb I got a good laugh out of it. If I had to pay for it though, it would have been a different story, I probably would be more annoyed. Heihachi's death was an amazing send-off and he should've stayed dead unless they could've brought him back in a better way like as a clone or done something with Jinpachi as you mentioned.

[@TonezWYA]

Mike, we didn't forget that you put a bet on the guy in the fire not being Heihachi

[@RealMikeHollow]

That wasn't me, that was Hike Swallow 🤸🏾

[@TonezWYA]

Lmao fair enough

[@thatblindtekkenwarrior1177]

After TTT2, Harada had to convince Namco to even allow T7 to be made. I believe T7 was made and marketed as the Mishima's last battle, because they didn't expect the game to sell well and to be able to make a T8. I think Harada saw T7 as Tekken's swansong. And so they did something epic for the end of it that would definitively finish the story if T8 was never green lit.

[@SD-mi2vc]

Look how that turned out

[@arpadszabo661]

I doubt that. The story ended in a way that was way too open ended, with Jin’s return against Kazuya, for a final game.

[@thatblindtekkenwarrior1177]

@@arpadszabo661 yeah, it was open ended and you can build off it. However, if the story had ended with grandaddy dying, that would've been a very fitting end to the saga. And the way it was marketed as the Mishima last battle plays into my theory. It's not that they didn't think they would get to make T8, just that they wrote it in a way that if they didn't that would've been a fitting end.

[@TwinT22]

A bit of a rant, I apologize in advance. My thing with Heihachi surviving 7 was the Monks even being there. They could've cloned him (cloning is not new in this series), or used the Tekken Monks to decide who would be the new Heihachi, with Reina being a prime candidate. 1. How were the Monks there, and why are they called the "Tekken" Monks? I don't recall the Tekken tournament being a more than a century event. It's a Heihachi original. Why aren't they called the Mishima Monks (MishiMonks for short)? If they withdrew from the world, then why did they appear NOW? They didn't appear when Heihachi got bodied by Kazuya and thrown down a cliff. They didn't appear when Kazuya's Devil Form was revealed. Heihachi had to pack him alone, and then threw him in a volcano. They didn't appear when Heihachi awakened Jin's Devil Gene, nor did they appear during the two years Heihachi was plotting to utilize Ogre's power. They didn't appear when Jinpachi rose from the dead and threatened to end the world. They didn't appear when Jin caused WW3, nor did they appear when Azazel returned. They didn't appear when Kazuya was globally revealed to be a Devil. They only show up AFTER all is said and done. Wasn't the style meant to exterminate demons? 2. Do you remember the Star Crusher Trial? Where Heihachi was meant to destroy that meteor and ended up regaining his memories? They knew Jin and Kazuya's battle would drops meteors from the sky. They were expecting it, so they have a level of precognition that can at LEAST predict half a year into the future, if they started training Heihachi immediately after rescuing him. If they can predict the future (because every clan can, for some reason), why the hell didn't they stop Kazumi? It was because of Kazumi's involuntary betrayal, because she couldn't control the Devil within, that caused everything to happen. The Monks could've helped Kazumi control it with the teachings of the Buddha. They probably could've even sealed it. Anti-demon Buddha-bless-you type shit, you know? 3. Like you said, Kazuya was watching. I was watching this with a friend, and I started wondering if that jingle we heard when Heihachi was rescued, that sound and visual effect implied genjutsu or illusion... but Kazuya would've heard the jingle and been suspicious of who else was present, which leads me to 4... 4. How did Akuma not know the Tekken Monks were there? His whole thing is fighting strong people like Ogre. And speaking of Ogre, they bothered to elaborate him destroying the main branch of the Kazama Clan. What about them? You can't tell me the Tekken Monks don't deserve an ancient ass-beating for being included the way they have, just to get killed off in an hour. My last gripe, which is my personal gripe against media in Far East, is the AMNESIA trope. I cannot stand how they use amnesia. For some reason, when stories, or character arcs hit a nice point to end things off, they pull out the amnesia card just to extend things longer than they need or even should be. I don't even know how they could redeem the Tekken Monks. They would have to make a Tekken Dimensions to compile all of the retcons this story already has.

[@thatguysho227]

Tekken is a word in japanese that means iron fist, its literally not a Heihachi original. Also, its not even called Tekken tournament, its the king of iron fist tournament. Even the japanese characters say 'king of iron fist' in english instead of tekken. They rescued Heihachi then because the Star crusher trial was coming soon and they were desperate for a strong enough mishima to master the technique which they can only do every 200 years. I don't think its crazy to assume they were biding their time to save themselves when all the devil stuff was going on. Tekken monks can't see the future. They said the meteorite falls every 200 years which implies it's fallen before in the past. They know its gonna fall because its happened before, not because they can see the future. I didn't like the story either but some of the stuff you said was straight up false or lacking critical thinking and I just wanted to clear some of that up.

[@dawarmonger]

I ain’t reading all that. Can someone summarize?

[@aarong8099]

@@dawarmonger 1.Monks came out of absolute nowhere 2.If they can predict the future, why didn’t they stop Kazumi 3.How did Kazuya not see or sense the monk who saved Heihachi 4.How did Akuma not see or sense the monks 5.The amnesia trope is dumb

[@aarong8099]

I think a lot of this can be answered with the monks legit not existing as a concept until T8. It’s another random addition made for the sake of continuing the story. T3 and 4 were filled to the brim with random lore additions like this

[@aarong8099]

@@thatguysho227biding their time was a beyond stupid decision too. The world almost ended multiple times, lol.

[@Doc27901]

Aight. The Jinpachi glaze in this channel is kinda crazy.

[@SolidSnake240]

I never thought Jinpachi was all that interesting.

[@1Diddums]

Mike likes muscle men and boss characters. : )

[@RealMikeHollow]

THE GLAZING SHALL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@Chris_Da_Prince]

@@Doc27901 if you all really go back to the lore it originally started with Jinpachi and his Mishima zabitsu (technically speaking there wouldn’t be a Mishima in this game without him and he’s kinda like what Gouken is to street fighter) so even after bringing Azazel back from Tekken 6 it would have made perfect sense to bring Jinpachi and even Kazumi back. I think you could have even brought them back before ogre to keep the storyline kinda sane.

[@lbnycity89]

That’s the first thing I said Kaz was looking down at the lava, never walked away or anything. I enjoying lore with a lot of of these fighting game, franchises and Tekken they’re just afraid to move on. Nobody else gets character development, except for the Mishima family.

[@Kraziecho]

Heihachi is way too Op. It’s becoming unbearable to play online

[@via_negativa6183]

Heihachi absolutely should have been a playable character in this and all tekken games but trying to tie it into the lore was a mistake and I can't see any scenario where that changes, they couldn't even wait one game to backtrack on thier decision

[@aarong8099]

Just pull a fatal fury and make nightmare Heihachi or some crap lol

[@EinSilverRose]

DLC bucks were far too tempting to not have him come back

[@JoaoLucas-qf9si]

The 4th Snake said the same thing, but Mike over here had selective reading... But then again, who doesn't like such an evil character?

[@Staylor8611]

"Story doesn't matter!!"😂

[@EinSilverRose]

Namco brought back Heihachi because making money off DLC was far more important than the story. Eddy, Lidia and Heihachi should have been base roster characters but gotta make that DLC money.

[@venturousgoon4592]

I’m convinced Kazuya saw Heihachi survive and made a deal with the Mishima clan to keep him alive as a backup plan if jin’s hands were too much for Kazuya to withstand. Heihachi having amnesia was a bonus for the clan so they could stupidly go with teaching good Heihachi the technique without Kazuya’s knowledge. Ok bs aside, personally I think they should soft reboot the series back to before t6 and rehire all the writing staff from t4 and tell a relatively serious story going forward.

[@RealMikeHollow]

I'd really like a return to a more grounded Tekken like in 4. I think we've gone too far into silliness imo.

[@alekid]

Your idea is better than Namco's. One major thing they ruined with this piece of story is especially the newcomer Reina. This is where her role should have been explained as pretty much everyone expected her to play a major part in Heihachi's return and be the bad girl by his side, maybe future heir. But they threw away this opportunity as well. Now any future explanations for Reina's decision to become a demon will be very stupid. She has gone from being Tekken's newcomer and new main face of the game to yet another secondary character who does nothing special. Come on Namco...one really has to try hard to write this badly.

[@RealMikeHollow]

In one of Heihachis openings with her in the gameplay, he states that her Devil is the key to his plan so I'm assuming they're gonna expand on that, but they have a long way to go in making sense of it all.

[@renzuassassin3724]

That “no diddy” had me snorting lmao. But I do agree with this, at least it was free compared to the story we got from Khaos reigns for 50 dollars lol

[@ivan-fs]

Ok, as far as I understood, the "centuries-old Mishima-Ryu" was originally a sword fighting style (kendo, kenjutsu, iado,...) developed for fighting devils. It was around that time that some practitioners of it went separate ways, 'cause the Mishimas were too power hungry, and the Tekken Monks were created. After WWII, Jinpachi picked up that style and mixed it with Karate in order to create a more modern style without weapons... so, he still is the creator of the Mishima-Ryu Karate. And here I'm just guessing, but probably the Tekken Monks went down a similar path or copied Jinpachi, 'cause we don't see them carrying any weapons.

[@jumpfold]

Hachi is my favorite video game character and I wasn't too happy with the story but, I am super happy to have him back. The meteor was the best part. I kind of liked the Idea that lava couldn't hurt Hachi lol

[@ReneGade405]

Now the tekken story will continue to spin its wheels

[@willywill952]

Putting Heihachi in hiding will basically be repeating T5-T7 were he actually did go into hiding in T6 and didn't come out till T7 to takeover The Mishima Zaibatsu , after getting blown away by a bunch of jack robots which if we were using real life logic would kill him. So I'm saying all of that to say you can't take the Tekken lore serious as an Heihachi main I was satisfied basically seeing Heihachi goin SS2 because ascended Heihachi in T7 was basically SS1.

[@daytonaspringer6785]

I agree

[@misterlazy9355]

They should’ve made it that because Heihachi fought the devils for so long that his body surpassed human limitations and now his body is somehow immune lava damage.

[@RealMikeHollow]

That would have been more passable than what we got for sure 😂

[@SwipeGameplay]

The only way the current tekken 8 heihechi story works is if akumas ending was canon and kazuya was for a fraction distracted and didn't see heihechi hit the lava

[@blackdarkness6798]

Under what assumption the special chapter aint canon lol, its literally picking up after Kazuya tosses Heihachi

[@tlee4201]

Akuma distracted kazuya before he seen heihachi get saved by the monk 😭. It’s silly but it’s the only thing that would make sense.

[@RealMikeHollow]

Apparently that part wasn't canon according to some ☠️

[@songoku9348]

@@RealMikeHollowIt was, Kazuya defeated Akuma which is why there’s no mention of him during 8.

[@goldenthunder1166]

Nah, Kazuya spends too much time watching Heihachi fall into the volcano, even implicitly (camera looking at Kazuya's face), for that to make sense...

[@hewhobattles8869]

Now that you've sat back and thought about it? You didn't need to sit back. If anyone took more than two seconds to think about it, they'd know that Heihachi's survival and revival or what makes no sense from a story/writing perspective. Hell Reina's inclusion in the main story barely makes any sense. Let alone telling us that Heihachi no only survived Kazuya's death fist to the fucking heart only to have lost his memories. And don't even get me started on how we literally SAW him fall and get engulfed but lava only for them to change the story and say that he was saved last second by a Tekken Monk. A faction by the way, that was never established and never mentioned. Seems to me like they just wanted to put Heihachi back in the game for no reason. Just leave him fucking DEAD like Harada said.

[@jwoodsjr123sgameroom5]

Mind you, I didn't watch the full video, so I'm going off what I saw off the thumbnail, especially having played the story (Minor Spoiler Warning) I think Heihachi decides to lie about hitting the Lava for certain intros because It would make sense from a battle standpoint. Why give them someone Like Kazuya the truth, and make him think it's possible to kill you because you never hit the lava? Mind games basically, since we know That's something Heihachi does not mind doing 😅. That being said, the story was cool, but BOY, I knew what the monks were trying to do was the definition of a BAD IDEA from the get go 😅

[@avatarwalton1519]

I was talking to one of my friends about it and he deadass said “kazuya was high up so he couldn’t really see him hit the lava”… if we’re coping that hard you know it’s trash

[@zoltanrostas-secola]

The Tekken Monks after getting thier asses kicked by Heihachi: Sukazu: "If only there was a Mishima pure of heart out there we could train that can defeat Kazuya, put a halt to this Mishima nonsense and wouldn't have betrayed us." Seiryu: "You mean Lars?" Sukazu: ".................FUCK!!" Seriously, we were on the verge of Lars learning EWGF, we were THIS close!

[@WisperArt]

I really enjoyed your fan fiction Tekken lore, very entertaining ideas! Especially happy with how Ogre returns 😄

[@RealMikeHollow]

Haha thank you. Tried to make it as bonkers as crazy 😂

[@RichiePajooh-r8i]

with azazel gone no one should have the devil gene including reina. they wrote in that with him gone no devil is left but she’s somehow still has it? it’s shitting writing tekken 8 should have ended when kaz looked and jin, and hesitated he saw jun, and instead of punching jin he punched the rock and both skump to the ground. jin says why. kazuya says your have your mothers eyes. jun can come back. bringing hei back should have been an ogre blood resurrection thing idk the story is trash at this point

[@daytonaspringer6785]

I’m convinced that Heihachi would destroy Khaos Reigns Havik

[@kilochampion787]

Heihachi coming back was never going to make sense. He is 100% human and survived being thrown in a volcano.

[@phenom504]

Now we all know why it was free. I liked Eddys 15 min of fame in the beginning but we all know how he ended up towards the end. Part of me is kind of looking forward to what’s gonna happen when Kazuya and Jin find out about Heihachi but that whole Tekken Monk mess made no sense and how Heihachi lost his memory and got it back was ridiculous.

[@chopsuey004]

Yeah it’s not great, I had a pretty good laugh towards the end though, and that made it worthwhile for me.

[@izeman5715]

I believe what kazuya saw was an illusion from the mist baggies like lidia was seeing things on the beach. He was pure of heart at that time because the mist baggies sealed his memory. Mist baggies magic is broken

[@KeyBladeMaster-Dan]

That monk owes Raiden for copyright infringment using his Flying Thunder God move to save Heihachi 😅....good god that was so f***ing stupid 😂

[@RenTheDragon1975]

I've said before that the Free Story DLC was a total Wet Fart imo ...... and of course it was free ..... because let's face it ..... its an hour long "Try before you Buy" Demo for Eddy, Lidia and Hei. 🙄 I was disappointed that the story did not explain how Reina was born with the Devil Gene and also I was hoping that Reina tricked Lidia and Eddy to perform the Monk's magic ritual to bring Hei back from the dead ......as his body was consumed by the volcano ... instead of just a 2 second Wet Fart flashback of the Monk scooping him up.

[@xmartinv1xvideogamingtv69]

As a Reina fan and Reina main in Tekken8, I enjoy to see her in the story expansion but yes, true. A missed opportunity to show and tell more about Reina, how she was born with the Devil gene etc. A bit more to know more about Reina. Missed opportunity, we only saw a bit of Reina in the story expansion. When I saw her I thought we was seing more of her because she reminds me of Eda Wong from Resident evil, her personality and stuff and how where she is more mystery and appearances out of nowhere in certain occasions from the shadows.

[@blackdarkness6798]

Last time we talked about Heihachi returning canonically from dead being badass and great by you way back just proves it wasnt at all Even if going by the assumption Akuma came and distracted Kazuya after tossing Heihachi out and happens immediately, thats the only thing you can say about how he didnt see Seiryu save him, but they dont explain it and requires the assumption it did which just leads to an excuse most will roll eyes about it His revival going by mentions of ressurection in reveal and character trailer also being the only explaination why he lives is again, assuming thats what happened because the game doesnt bother explaining that either Much like the4thsnake said, making him non canon in lore like Kazumi and how other fighting games did was better then getting him back, with Tekken 8 being at least a step into the end of the mishima conflict Last time i dont think i asked you and i hopefully you reply, if you do that, you do it seriously to this and not trolling, you want Tekken 9 and other sequels if going that far, to keep being focused on the Mishimas with Jin, Kazuya and Heihachi over and over? The expansion clearly didnt do that good of a job, Heihachi shouldnt have returned

[@pedropaulopiresfurini768]

My true issue with this DLC story was how quickly the Old Man returned to Ground Zero. To me, it would be better if he regained the memories, but retained the amnesiac personality. Then, in another DLC Story, as he faces Kazuya, his ruthless self resurfaces throughout the fight. But that's my thoughts on it, and your spin on the thing is acceptable too.

[@songoku9348]

‘A fight is all about who’s left standing nothing else’ Also if you listen hard, you can hear a faint splash.

[@RealMikeHollow]

😂😂😂

[@alyson4791]

I thought that we'd find out that he was a clone or a demon summoned from the underworld or something. With everything as it is now, I kinda wish they made Reina work as a legit replacement and kept the man dead after all.

[@NYG5]

Kazuya killed Heihachi, his heart was exploded and was braindead for a long time. Seeing as how T7 Hei was sort of trying to be a good guy and hated black magic, the Tekken monks could have resorted to some forbidden sacrificial resurrection technique, ala Isshin Ashina in Sekiro, but this brings back original power hungry Tekken 2 Heihachi.

[@henriquecampos4120]

Mike, there's something I can't fathom right now... Bad story is a bad story. Period! Why do we as fighting game consumers cut so much slack for Tekken's story but we are so relentless when it comes to Mortal Kombat's story. What if it was the other way around? Would people accept a "Khaos Reigns" of sorts in Tekken because it's cheesy and over the top? Also, people saying it's free: nothing is free in life. You're paying one way or another. You're paying in the form of the stage. They just switched which product was charged.

[@RealMikeHollow]

People tend to go easier on things they feel have been delivering for a very long time. Tekken has delivered for a very very long time. It's only now we're seeing real chinks in the armour because of how poor a lot of the infrastructure in 8 is. If this continues, people will begin to treat it like MK. MK has been disappointing and angering people since 11. If Tekken does this all the way through 8 and into 9, you'll see people's attitudes change.

[@henriquecampos4120]

@@RealMikeHollow We can agree on disagreeing here... Basically, I see it another way: The complete opposite, to be honest! I absolutely despised Tekken 8's default story, but from what I've seen online, content creators were praising it for being fun, cheesy and over the top. Tekken's story has not been delivering since T4. Which is way long since MK dropped "Aftermath", or if you want a more consistent quality over time, MK9 through MKX. I've noticed real big content creators for Tekken not even touching on the subject... TMM didn't do a playthrough for YT; PhiDX is fixated with the nerdiness aspect of the gameplay (as he always does); Aris doesn't give a fuck about anything Tekken related anymore since season 2 of T7; etc. The only big one touching the subject is Moonsault Slayer. KingJae and K-Wiss played it live but that was about it. In short, I think it all boils down to the fact that Tekken players couldn't care less about the story. They're happy Heihachi is back, fuck the rest and I'm happy for them, of course. At the end of the day, I think MK brought this to themselves. TK didn't promise being good, while MK takes itself too seriously. As a veteran fan of MK from the 3D era, I missed Stryker blocking his ears while his opponent is exploding, Bo' Rai Cho farting fire towards people, Scorpion becoming a penguin in his Animality, people exploding in a million skulls and ribs, over the top gibberish during specials. Now, MK has to be edgy, realistically gory, serious tone, sadistic torturing like I'm watching LiveLeak. It's my opinion, but I don't like the direction it's heading, but hey, I'm the minority here. Anyways, it's cool discussing with you and have you easy to approach. Keep up the good work, man! And I'm always looking forward to the constructive videos in which you reimagine the story and tell us what could be done right according to how you feel. PS: Don't let the USO Brothers take your streak in WWE. Take care, bro!

[@RealMikeHollow]

@@henriquecampos4120 Yeah, we will definitely have to disagree on that one haha. Tekken 8's base story was a ton of fun in my opinion. Whilst I prefer the more grounded take that Tekken 4 had, Tekken 8 still accomplished what it set out to do and the final battle didn't disappoint. Thanks for the kind words, dude. Appreciate it haha.

[@Chris_Da_Prince]

It was too over the top anime. Heihachi single handed nerfed yoshi and eddy on his own by palming them both by the head and holding them up like a Spalding basketball and tossing them away like dirty laundry. I lmao after I seen that and when eddy used his capoeira to clear the flames I was like bro this is too much. But Tekken is known to take it over the top a lot of times

[@mnonodzilala8508]

Lmaooo you earned my like in less than 1 min in this video😂 a load of cowabunga is true

[@spagzs]

Does it use the “Palpatine has come back somehow..” way of explaining things?

[@henriquecampos4120]

Yep!

[@RealMikeHollow]

Basically 🤮

[@vontecontroll1556]

To be fair Harada said he was dead the suits said no bring him back so we're here just hope the Capcom suits don't bring evil ryu back let my boy rest in his nothingness 😢

[@alexandermccalla5098]

I haven’t played the tekken 8 story yet but this game has ghost, demons, and probably aliens. I have no problem with them making Heihachi the next Jinpachi. Reina could do a blood transfusion or something.

[@Ock_mantis]

Getting shot in the head and getting thrown off a cliff and being thrown into lava and still surviving is one thing..but NOT falling into a volcano is where i draw the line!! Tbh..tekken has never..ever made since.since the first game..im just saying what we even saying here? Lol. When has tekken even been on rails. Its been full durp.. The first time a bear started doing karate and and a space ninja..and a thing called ogre killing jin's mom. And she got corrupted and was dead and turned into this creature called unknown, but she has the power of light and has to purify the darkness and jin saved her but she was dead so........brother....come on now.

[@saintturbo12]

No lie the ending of the fan ending of T8 part 2 or T9 sounds dope. Makes a lot of sense for a Tekken universe. ESPECIALLY the whole putting their differences aside moment. I had to look back at T7 ending and Kayzuya was looking pops fall THE ENTIRE TIME!! 😂😂😂😂😂

[@RealMikeHollow]

He never took his eyes off him 😂

[@saintturbo12]

@@RealMikeHollow that monk must have been flash stepping or something. This don’t make no sense.

[@tinyparcel6305]

I mean, this story expansion is basically tekken 8 in a nutshell. All flash little substance, and boat loads of wasted potential.

[@dova3162]

what you saying is probably whats going to happen more or less

[@Boltscar327]

Watched a Moonsault Slayer video and he brought up that they could go the akuma route to somewhat justify the expansion story. Though the whole expansion is shambolic they should just retcon the whole thing

[@smartcurry]

So as far as the mashima style is concerned it seems like the mashima been existed but jinpachi created the form of it we recognize that heiachi perfected cuz one of the monks had a shoulder charge guard break n stuff which isn’t used by jinpachi or heiachi so it could be that’s what they meant but worded poorly but if that wasn’t what they meant then it honestly been retcon in T7 since it’s already said in T7 the mishimas n the demon clans existed for centuries anyway but the whole heiachi getting saved thing was dumb n as far as the pure of heart thing goes he became pure of heart after successfully defeating his evil self in his mind n training with lidia which sealed off his memories which was what the monks were gambling on to purify the clan completely n the world next until he had the bright idea to headbutt the meteor since in the story bullets they also say the 3 mishmas that had the potential of obtaining the ultimate style were heiachi, kazuya, n jin but didn’t approach any of em cuz all of em were evil or doing evil stuff at the time so basically because nobody but those 3 had the potential to unlock the ultimate technique the monks had to do a gamble with heiachi’s amnesia to get what they want

[@allgreatnike1009]

Is Heihachi a purchasable character? that should tell you the motivation for the story decisions. It's less that the story doesn't matter but that it's in service of getting you to purchase the characters.

[@Soragop]

Honestly, I would have preferred if the devil took control of Heihachi's dead body. As cliche as it sounds.

[@2nd_Reality]

you do you have to remember Jen in Tekken 3 that’s how we got devil Jen.

[@FemboyKiyo]

So is reina just pure hachijo? How does she have electrics then???

[@LordDarkDan]

The only way I see that makes this 'plot' if we can even call it that become plausible is if the bonus battle with Akuma is also a canon event, I know in T7 its meant to be directly after Hei has been dropped and Kaz made his comments, but all that needs to change is it happens seconds after Hei was dropped, its the only way Kaz would become distracted via dodging the fireball for the lol random monk to save Hei. Then we piss off every SF fan instead and kill Akuma, else why is Kaz still around afterwards. Is it dumb, yes, should we even bother trying to make this all make sense, no. but I legit don't think there is another way haha.

[@goldenthunder1166]

I agree... The DLC's story was rubbish. Not wacky, not over-the-top ridiculous, but the neatest nonsense. I've probably said this too many times now, but I think they should have just gone with the Mishimas having the Devil Gene. That explains Jinpachi in Tekken 5 and how Heihachi could have survived the volcano (because Kazuya already has done in Tekken 2, as you say at 7:50); and Tekken 7 can partly be contextualized as a lie told to the journalist by Heihachi. Even in the base game's story, it seems that the person directing the narrative was off his head (I'm not a fan of the mainstream anime direction.)

[@buttersleopaldstoch5793]

They should have did the same thing with kazuya. Let him fall in the lave . Machima zibatsu revived him with the devil Gene from his daughter.

[@knoble1985]

Reina im devil form swooping in to save Heihachi would be a cool play on how Devil Jin Threw Heihachi out the temple & let him fall but instead she saves him.

[@hiramjackson8322]

If heihachi has so many illegitimate children, just put some of them to use (like Reina). Or actually revive heihachi! Anything could have been done other than this….. shit.

[@bluemanvisions]

They’ll be using the free story expansions as a platform for players to demo the dlc characters and stages. They don’t really care about the integrity of the story at this point sadly.

[@emeritus666]

Going away from the main story for a moment there was an extra video that has Leo reuniting with Niklas (his/her father). The subtitles don’t seem to make sense. The entire DLC is a bit of a head scratcher, it’s free so I can’t complain too much but there is some serious quality control that the Tekken team need to address as a lot of the subtitles in game are just outright WRONG.

[@goldenthunder1166]

What about the repetitive dialogue? "No matter what hardships people face they can always rise again", about four times in the first three chapters, and "Mind body and technique" in the rest.

[@AegisKHAOS]

The DLC made me think, 'somehow Heihachi returned' would've been better.

[@RealMikeHollow]

😂😂😂

[@eddihurta7173]

Tekken needs some coherency...ever since tekken 4 man

[@WisperArt]

Heihachi was truly meant to remain dead, and never return. And I can explain why this changed. Tekken tag 2 was so unpopular, that it was a flop, and I mean a really bad one. It was so bad, that namco decided to never make a Tekken game again. Harada was told that there won't be funding for another Tekken anymore. One day, harada came in to a meeting, and practically begged for one last Tekken, the game that will show the ending of the Mishima saga. If you noticed - Tekken 7 had a really low budget, it's especially noticable in the story mode and character ending episodes. In Haradas mind, and everyone else's mind, Heihachi died forever. But then, a miracle happened - Tekken 7 became very popular. The game that meant to represent the funeral of the franchise, ended up being it's savior. Fast forward 10 years, here we are! Tekken is back, Heihachi is back, and I'm very happy with all of it. And actually I did enjoy the free story, because I was aware that some mambo jambo will bring him back, so, I went in prepared.

[@WisperArt]

By the way, we know that Tekken Monks have very strong Ninjutsu. When Heihachi got saved, his mind was intact, but it was them who sealed his memories away in order to achieve the ultimate technique. I believe the same strong Ninjutsu was used on Kazuya at the top of the volcano to make him think that he saw Heihachi fall. And to explain why exactly it was Heihachi they were after - they didn't have anybody else closer to the Ultimate Mishima technique, and he isn't a devil. The story goes that Mishima is a family that was always in war with devils for thousands of years, that's why they doubled down to explain that the ultimate technique needs to be "pure". Devil's gene probably is incompatible with it.

[@YellowFellow86]

The Diddy remark almost made me spit my drink out 🤣. Your story idea was better than what we played. I would actually pay for your idea. This expansion just seemed to be a marketing exercise that did not respect the Tekken fanbase. I would have given Heihachi a Ogre blood transfusion that would have revived him instead of a "brilliant" monk who saves one of the most known evil people in the Tekken universe thinking he would have a pure heart 🤣 🤣 🤣 Thanks for keeping it 💯 , good stuff 👍

[@RealMikeHollow]

When I said it I had to throw the no Diddy in there 😂 but thanks bro. Appreciate your kind words ☝🏾

[@MaoriGamerDood]

It may have been Free. But not free from criticism. And I'm someone who Liked this Hammy expansion. 😂

[@saviormonroe-lh7oh]

Why do we suddenly expect FIGHTING GAMES to have good stories? 😂 That expansion was created to sell characters. Same with MK1 from what I understand (I didn't play that one). They just have a story behind it because it's expected by the fanbase. Back in the day they'd just add the characters in with NO explanation. At least we got some cool moments. 1) Eddy using his style to clear the fire. 2) Lidia actually looking like a badass. 3) Heihachi headbutting a FREAKING METEOR! All cool moments. But as far as the story, fighting games NEVER have good stories forreal. So I don't judge them on the same level as other types of games. For a FIGHTING GAME story, this shit was a 6.5-7. Just my opinion, but the fighting games having weak stories is more of a shared opinion amongst fans.

[@joshuaChetty-r9g]

Being free doesn't matter. Look at God of war ragnorok for example. Their dlc was free and it was awesome. Tekken had no excuse

[@koma-si6ux]

Mike didn't think that when or if Cinpachy and Ogr will turn they will be next Eddy and Heihachy in Spence of "modernisation"? Will you be happy about that kind of return?

[@RealMikeHollow]

I'd be interested to see what they do with them for sure.

[@yafriendsfriend]

namco knew better than to charge us with that mid ass story 😂 take notes nrs!

[@OctopusH2O]

I know the Tekken monks thing was bullshit, but i feel like people are never happy with what they get, guys be grateful you’re even able to complain about useless things like the story in a videogame while others struggling with their life, and don’t forget that mk1 players paid 50$ for a story that is even more ridiculous (imo)

[@swankyjee]

Damn, I didn't know people didn't like it tbh

[@dawarmonger]

Just because it’s free doesn’t mean it can’t be good. All expansions are now shit 💩 because people don’t put their heart into it and because the companies hate their own audience. They want to make shit 💩 so old players stop playing so they make new timelines and new reboots.

[@ShatteredPedestal7]

New timelines and reboots that make no sense and they do it again.

[@kostaVHjovanovic]

Mike, here is an idea for some legit content from you. Now do a video on how you would react to story you just sugested (ofcourse, pretend that it wasnt your idea). That would actually be fun

[@ab_0201]

Heihachi Mishima can generate 3000W of electricity through his body, lava is nothing for him. Everyone knows that. What a bunch of Newbs.

[@ObliviousAdobo]

I find it funny, I would say I ask for better and care more about story and lore in fighting games than you Mike however you are definitely way more disgruntled about this story expansion than I am. I put this at slightly higher than you just because I knew they were going to have to do some real (big) dumb retcons this time around to justify Heihachi's return. Tekken monks existing are a big reach certainly but I don't think them banking on Heihachi specifically was as big a reach as you claim it was here. I don't think they can see into the future they just have prophecies which is how they knew a meteorite would fall in this exact spot in 200 years. Even in the main story Zafina states Kazuya's and Jin's final battle was prophesied I remember. As for why the monks would bank and teach an amnesiac Heihachi the forbidden techniques I think they were desperate and saw no other alternatives to this. The whole pure of heart is debatable, just because Heihachi can remember remnants of his past even before fully regaining his memories from a meteorite doesn't mean he actually knows who he is and has been tainted by evil. This distinction I would say is like the difference between say sentience and sapience. Whether Heihachi is pure of heart would also propose the idea if you believe in reincarnation does your past lives' sins carry to you current self especially since Heihachi definitely seemed to remember parts of it as a blur (or not) initially? Personally I don't think past sins truly taint the heart in this type of context but enough of this pseudo philosophical drivel. The story is stupid and I agree with you there and I think most people do for that matter. I just don't agree with some of the criticisms and rewrites you have in mind. I really think they should've just gone with non-canon Heihachi DLC and what if scenarios to explain his moves since the beginning and I feel you just proved to me you probably would've preferred this non-canon or flashback Heihachi with how unhappy you seem to be with this final product, writers went "full retard" in your words. lol Also despite how bad dumb this story is, I think it was still a fun popcorn flick piece of crud unlike my typical experience with most of the NRS MK's stories. Hopefully we can get something better competently written next time in Tekken, I don't want more (major) retcons personally. More retcons usually just exasperates the story's problems of being badly written and destroys past viewers personal time investment in a lot of cases. I think at this point they need to lie in the bed they made for themselves and work with what they got rather than trying to shoehorn more retcons to fix the poorly written retcons in my opinion. Retcons aren't inherently bad, it's a literary device that can be used well or extremely poorly similar to red herrings. The reason why NRS MK games' have become such a joke is because the time travel and multiverse devices are just poorly veiled retcons that they use to retcon pretty much anything on a whim. I think there's a decent chance we get NRS levels of bad when we invite more retcons and try to fix a retcon with a retcon.

[@knoble1985]

Honestly I would have rather it be Akuma that saves him because even tho he made a promise to Kazumi. Akuma would kill Heihachi on his own terms. Fighting Heihachi at his strongest because Akuma is all about fighting worthy opponents to the death.

[@knoble1985]

At the same time Heihachi did loose to Kazuya so that could also conflict what i said above about Akuma fighting worthy opponents. Smh STORY WAS STUPID ASF!!! Heihachi looked awesome but thay story was so throwaway it was never worth a price.

[@RealMikeHollow]

Haha fighting with yourself to make sense of the madness 😂

[@Impalingthorn]

I would leave a comment of a more thoughtful nature but KZbin just keeps deleting them so I'm not even gonna try.

[@OhhKuroo]

So what you're getting at is Ogre is basically Cell but has been awoken in a similar way to majin buu? hahah

[@RealMikeHollow]

Basically. He stole everyone's moves before so I don't see why he shouldn't steal even more this time 🗿

[@Retrodude_92]

Tekken 8 has been Crashing since the last patch... this is the first time, I think this patch is even bugged smh.

[@inabstract]

Its ok for japanese style games bring dead characters back i think. Not sure how to categorize this styles (Shounen? Although it tends to be a bit violent). Being japan, a mostly Shinto and in Buddhism, filled with cultural mystic, demons, animal gods like kitsune, etc. I feel they can get away with alot of nonsense. Unlike MK series for example, product of a Christian, modern western culture, where the only choice for originality, it seems, is Multiverses or quantum realities 😔

[@THR33_Dizzle]

You said they shoulda rewrote t7 story ending, but they kinda did, they showed kaz dropping hachi into the lava, and at THE LAST SECOND the roided out monk swooped in and saved hachi AND brought him back to life, not saying that's any better, but they did TRY to rewrite how hachi "died" in t7, 🤷‍♂️

[@RealMikeHollow]

It would have made more sense to just leave his lifeless body at the top of the volcano for them to take.

[@THR33_Dizzle]

@@RealMikeHollow yeah, it def coulda been better, thanks for the video brotha, I'll be waitin for the framewhisperer chat!

[@Gloopy-dragon33]

You better stream sparking when it comes. Out and run the ones

[@issacadrian7774]

It was fun tekken never takes its story seriously harada admitted this this was way better then khaos reigns it was just fun 😂

[@Stelninja]

What they should have done is let heihachi die and then fight his way out the depths of hell

[@Stelninja]

And use the mishima ultimate technique get escape hell

[@RealMikeHollow]

Heihachi Vs Satan. I am there for it (money is on Heihachis forehead 🗿)

[@JcgLounge]

I would’ve rather they brought back Jinpachi than Heihachi

[@RealMikeHollow]

Me too 😔

[@FairchildV]

OPEN YOUR EYES PLEASE PEOPLE PLEEEEEEEASE 🙏🏽

[@RealMikeHollow]

👀

[@kostaVHjovanovic]

Mike brother do you also rant about DragonBall power scaling?

[@RealMikeHollow]

@@kostaVHjovanovic Mmmm, not really. Maybe to my friends in private.

[@rezonate0579]

Taking Tekken story seriously lmao

[@RealistDY]

holy milk

[@jenn5628]

So the Tekken 7 story was just pointless

[@RealMikeHollow]

More or less.

[@Staylor8611]

Yes

[@jenn5628]

@@Staylor8611 terrible smh

[@lbnycity89]

I’m tired of this narrative of people don’t care about the stories. I care this is why Mortal Kombat has an actual media outside their video games. Regardless, if these current stories are good or bad, there’s always somebody that’s going to like something from the game, the animated movies or the live action, movies, etc.. Tekken live action movie was trash back in 2009. Do you have blood vengeance that was decent and then you had that recent Netflix animated series that was trash and street fight didn’t even put out a legit story. I don’t count that world Tour as Canon. and when it comes to the recent media or just overall their track record isn’t too great other than the 90s street fighter movie and maybe the V Alpha straight to DVD series everything has been trash live action. Like history of Chun Li 💩 and I like this show Claude Van Damme, but it’s like a guilty pleasure like Mortal Kombat annihilation

[@deoquillgrant4305]

here is an immutable fact that you guys fail to accept. nobody actually saw Heihachi hit the lava. and we dont know how deep of a drop heihachi fell when kazuya was staring down at him. you all are assuming that when the camera cut to Kaz that heihachi went splash!.... but we dont know if heihachi was still falling. all we know is that Heiachi was outta eyesight... thats it...:)

[@RealMikeHollow]

Even so, a monk being at the bottom of the volcano was lame no matter how you wanna cut it.

[@kostaVHjovanovic]

Let me guess. You dont like it and now rant.

[@RealMikeHollow]

@@kostaVHjovanovic YOU'VE WON A MILLION DOLLARS 🗣️🤸🏾