Making the LEGION Make Sense | Dead by Daylight Lore Deep Dive

[@apotato9894]

There's a small detail about Frank that both yourself and Tat missed in this video that I believe adds to his character. He might not be the most self aware figure (or at least doesn't care enough to show it), but he can read others quite well and is a highly manipulative narcissist. This isn't outright stated in the lore, but to find the right group of kids to follow you even beyond murder takes a high level of awareness and cunning not found in the rest of the group.

[@Silverwind87]

It's also stated in his backstory that he enjoyed the attention he got from the high schoolers, because he was the oldest. This fucking loser has to hang around kids to feel validated.

[@imtired927]

"this is my head canon, it's not confirmed anywhere but it fits my interpretation and therefore is canon"

[@apotato9894]

@@imtired927 Are you okay bud? You're literally commenting on a channel that takes DbD's snippets of lore and interprets them by connecting the dots. That's all I've done here as well.

[@imtired927]

@@apotato9894 ?? I literally don't LMAO

[@resumethyvideo7631]

@@imtired927 bro really saying he didn’t comment

[@HB-fq9nn]

While I do wish there was more consistency behind the lore, I do like the characterisation of each member so far.

[@yungtrick7405]

I love this lore the only thing I dislike is don’t understand how one kill would catch the eye of the entity most killers have multiple kills or have 1 kill that was super sadistic. Frank an orphan probably decided to kill over a power trip and the rest was because of peer pressure these are actually studied reasons on why a child would hurt an animal. So I think frank finally actually having friends an a group for once sent him down a spiral where he thought he needed more power to get ahead so he killed joeys boss the rest of the group not agreeing with this until frank and others who hurt him(stabbing him 1 by 1) to convince the next person who has yet to stab him to do it going frank joey Julie Susie stabbing him one time each.

[@magical571]

@@yungtrick7405 it could be a matter of potential? they are the breeding ground of a serial killer's cult/band. Never underestimate a cunning young man with a desire to hurt or kill lol

[@kimberlyterasaki4843]

I'm actually okay with the Tome cutscene despite the continuity error because it emphasizes Julie's agency and the fact that she and Frank are arguably as close to soulmates as you can get amongst murderers. Frank offering Julie the knife is him offering her a chance to live their dreams of joining the big leagues of infamous killers and her painting the bloody smile on his face is also a callback to the original trailer when Frank paints a bloody smile on his mask after stabbing David, making it an almost kind of calling card with their smiley face pins and masks. And Susie and Joey were unfortunately just along for the ride and serves to make them the more sympathetic, reluctant members. Heck, I might be reaching with this, but I personally think their cosmetics paint Joey as a bit of a Geek (he cosplayed at a video game convention in the 90s, you had to be a major nerd to do that) and Susie as really insecure about her homelife and school life, meaning the Legion was probably their way of avoiding getting bullied in addition to being a group of friends. But yeah, I'd love to see a Tome explore Joey in particular, and his relationships with all the others (he was friends with Julie and Susie before Frank, how does he feel when Frank joins the group; what exactly is his relationship with Susie as they seem to constantly be portrayed as a pair in the Tome).

[@morganalabeille5004]

Imagine Joey recognizing Jill. Imagine him and Feng Min both showing up to a trial in full video game cosplay and just pointing at each other like the Spider-Man meme.

[@julia_shmulia]

it’s interesting you say susie and joey are the reluctant pair, because while i was looking at their cosmetics if you notice, all of susie’s outfits display her body language to be shy and reluctant, and joey just kind of stands there like a regular guy… meanwhile if you look at frank, he’s crossing his arms and showing his dominance and julie is standing there with her knife swaying

[@Kcg8rGaming]

I think a lot of information on Susie was overlooked or just not mentioned. I’ve been able to come up with a few theories behind Susie with the small entries we’ve gotten from the flavor text contained within her cosmetics. Susie never had a happy life. Her home life is not ideal and she is envious of a neighboring family and how happy they are. School is no better. Susie is not popular in the slightest. She lacks self confidence and the one time she tried to act on her interests by joining the cheerleader squad, she gets ridiculed and bullied by the very people she hoped to join. Susie’s only positive relationship is to her best friend Julie. There initial meeting was most likely through an art class they shared together. Art and Julie were the only things Susie had in her life. That is until Frank joined the picture. The formation of The Legion gave Susie a sense of belonging. Something she had never felt before and she was willing to do anything to not only fit in but impress her piers. The Legion gave her confidence, confidence to make new designs and masks, confidence to act out on her own, confidence to get even with those who did her wrong, confidence to take what she wants. Susie is a devotee to The Legion. She’s the quiet kid that no one gave any attention to and was picked out as any easy target for abuse. When that kid is given a chance and supported by the wrong people, the quiet kid becomes very dangerous. The horror of Susie’s story is how grounded it is. She’s not some supernatural mass murderer. She’s a kid who got manipulated into a life of blood and debauchery.

[@umbra1948]

I absolutely love that interpretation of Susie’s characterization among this group. Like the whole theme of it is great. 👏

[@pieofchart]

Straight up, and knowing she's the youngest is most definitely even more of a scary thing. Poor girl deserves a lot of hugs, and safer, more caring friends...

[@Peachrocks5]

I think the fact Julie remembers the incident differently is how she imagined or idealised it happened. Frank’s version is likely what really happened. She ultimately deceives herself to cover up her own weakness to herself. It’s a nice detail, whether it’s intended or not, it wouldn’t be hard to justify it in this way. Julie’s version has a lot of idealistic imagery and not how they would react on a kill like this, especially because it happened after she was taken by surprise and it was not premeditated. Whereas Frank’s version is far more likely of how it would go down. Joey stabs the cleaner either out of fear of Frank or desire to appease him knowing the cleaner was dead no matter what he did, Julie acts next out of following in the moment and Susie is forced into it.

[@P0choclo_]

My headcanon is that Tatariu is actually Frank from the Legion. That would explain why his pfp looks so much to him, and why loves Frank the most: because it's him Thanks for coming to my TED Talk

[@wendigomaneiro8892]

Ya know, seeing how some characters that already got a tome story before are getting another one (aka David and Blight), this gives me hope for a Legion Tome V2 where BHVR could explore Susie or/and Joey's character

[@DitisEmile]

I would love this! They ( especially Joey ) are my favorites.

[@scyobiempire4450]

Cashier Bob tomb lore when?

[@slots777]

At the risk of starting a flame war or a bad time argument, since the cinematics are formed from memories, and the base lore is from Frank’s perspective; could it not be argued that the cinematic is more how Julie remembers that night going versus how Frank saw it in base? This isn’t a multiverse argument since these are members of the same group, but people can often remember seeing things differently, and for Julie, she could have remembered stabbing the cleaner after Frank did as some sign of her love for him. Least that’s my hot take on it.

[@Rexvils]

That’s actually a pretty good explanation for the inconsistency. To Frank, Susie hesitating to stab would’ve been more memorable than what he was feeling when attacking. Whereas Julie would be more focused on why Frank defended her like you said.

[@eliasar5051]

Honestly that is what I believe in too. Tome story we have is clearly Julie's interpretation of how things happened.

[@Peachrocks5]

Yeah this is logical. I think Julie's version is idealistic though and Frank's version is what actually happened. If the murder was premeditated it would make sense but it wasn't. She was ambushed and likely blacked out the memory, she 'closes her eyes' after all in Frank's lore. Then after the fact she filled in the blanks herself and deceived herself. The reaction is simply not natural for a first kill whereas the way Frank's lore tells it is much more likely. It could be Frank was embellishing too though and that neither version is accurate.

[@slots777]

@@Peachrocks5 This exactly. Especially since these are teens, they likely are overblowing some of their own memories in order to make themselves look good. I feel like if we ever get tomes for Susie and Joey, we might get even more of the same or a more clear picture. (Either way could work for me since a lot of Susie's cosmetics talk about how she killed or at least injured some people when in the lore we know she was forced to kill the cleaner. With multiverse theory it could make sense, but even then, I want to know more about what she and Joey felt that night.

[@rand9672]

I remember back when the cutscene first released that there was a theory about how the entity was twisting how Julie remembered it. With the inconsistency with the order and how Susie and Joey go from horrified to fine with it in seconds. On top of that there is the sexiness(?) of it all that seems out of place towards the end of the kill.

[@Peachrocks5]

I think this is natural reaction and nothing to do with the entity (for once). Julie hated her weakness in the moment and doesn’t remember it clearly so convinces herself of a lie. This kill was not premeditated and came after Julie was ambushed. It simply doesn’t make sense for her to react that way. The way Frank’s lore tells it is likely what happened.

[@_ares_587]

As a Legion Main, specifically Susie, I have a lot of thoughts about their Lore both together and individually. One of my favourite things about Susie is that a lot of her backstory is implied; she's artsy (as seen in her neon cosmetic), clearly shy or socially awkward (her menu animations and her reluctance to kill) and she's obviously a bit of an outcast, being a friend of the Legion (Julie and Frank give me a certain vibe), having dyed hair back in a 90s high school and being willing to commit minor crimes with a friend, typically Joey. My issue though is that Susie's lore is inconsistent. I've seen people defend this by saying everyone "expects her to be uwu innocent soft bean" when she's "probably as bad as the others", but there is a big difference between an inaccurate character reading/fanon interpretation and actively conflicting Lore. The Legion have one confirmed kill, the cleaner. But Susie stabbed a man in the back and left him to die during Lunar New Year. In her artsy neon cosmetic, it sounds like she uses blood for her art like some kind of House That Jack Built type thing. It's something I think all of the Legion suffer from, all these inconsistences. And obviously there's the argument about the multiverse, but why show us two different Susies in one game? I still love Susie, and she's a wonderful character that I personally feel a lot for and is the reason I play in the first place. But it can't be denied that there is no concrete Legion lore, and that SOME characters (cough JOEY cough) don't get enough attention as others to an insane degree. I hope any of that made any sense-

[@eliasar5051]

We really need to see how each member of the Legion sees things. Yet, we have only Frank and Julie, while in the meanwhile, characters that are actually only one person are slowly getting their 2nd tome entries...

[@Rexvils]

I personally headcannon Susie as a child of divorce who is expected to be at high academic success but in an artistic sense. That was fit the “artsy” characteristic of her character. Her Christmas sweater cosmetic says that she hated that her neighbor’s had a nice family Christmas, so being from a divorced family would explain that reasoning and give her a motivation for appearing to be shy and meak but harboring a lot of rage against those she believed thought were above her.

[@_ares_587]

@@Rexvils honestly?? That really really works. There's so much potential for Susie and especially Joey, they could do so many things with them. And I really really hope one or both of them is the focus of their second Tome, should they make one

[@Rexvils]

@@_ares_587 haha glad you enjoyed it! For Joey it’s been established that he’s raised by a single mom in his sweater cosmetic but that Christmas had a “fake” cheer around it. I personally believe that his mom is a bit of an absentee parent for “good” or bad reason and so Joey doesn’t feel close to his mother at all. His motivation for rage can be inferred to be a result of discrimination since he frequently got fired from jobs and for as small as a reason as stealing a candy bar, you could argue he got blamed for the theft because he’s African American. He hates the way the world seems to be against him, a young black man seen as a delinquent from a broken family, so he causes trouble with the other Legion members.

[@jrich436]

Basic psych All 4 kids are disillusioned losers who instead of having faith in the meritocracy (if we push hard we can get out of this small town and make something of ourselves) they feel they are not strong enough to compete with life Being kids of the 80s-90s they would have yuppie or blue collar parents who were working “hard” and believed in the meritocracy Late 90s teens were angsty kids who didn’t believe in their parent’s/grandparent’s BS, were hyper competitive and had little concern about the feelings of people they didn’t like because that’s what society told them was the way to think Kill or be killed, dog eat dog, no one cares if you aren’t a winner Frank had seen more of the world and exhibits the “Dark 3”. He has learned to manipulate weaker minded/less ambitious people Julie also exhibits dark 3 traits but lacks the worldliness of Frank. Her affection with Frank is as close to such as she can muster Her love is transactional. It is about what her connection can do FOR HER when she does something for someone else She is calculating and predatory but lacking money, power, connection or physical size she has to be more crafty This is the difference between her and Frank Frank is jaded and doesn’t care. Julie is getting there but she’s more angry about being bored and feeling owed, more as a general concept of her psychology. Frank was actually abused, Julie was not So Frank is proactive while Julie is manipulative Joe and Susie have weaker personalities because they HAVE weaker personalities They are followers. Plain and simple This is most likely based on abusive patterns from their family. Neglect etc. Their ideals are faced with ridicule when not just ignored and so they just follow stronger personalities that at least acknowledge them First Julie, and then Julie stroking Frank’s ego sets him as alpha and so they now follow both This is…… if they even exist There is the fan theory that Joey and Susie are figments of Frank and Julie’s imagination Manifestations of their own personalities

[@ManicObsevations]

In game susie probably has the most character development (her models grin, and stance) in the lore she's literally just a personified mannequin

[@Alexsim798]

Susie not wanting to stab the janitor, but be perfectly fine with stabbing/hurting others; you could say is Susie choosing to ignore/or simply not see the consequences of her actions. Yes she stabbed a person before, but she didn’t outright kill them. Last time she saw them they were bleeding out, but alive (even if they died later). Witnessing the death of the janitor and being a direct part of it, highlights the consequences of her actions and the true weight of death. Everything she did before she may have seen as victimless (ie the cheerleader(s) deserved whatever she did to them, thus she didn’t see them as victims). This paired with her low confidence you could say made her freak out.

[@hannahbg1852]

Perhaps Susie didn't stab the cheerleader in a way that would kill her on purpose. I think the best theory is that the cheerleader did something that upset Susie and got a reaction from her. This of course doesn't excuse Susie's actions, but it still explains it.

[@Gencinnamon245]

@@hannahbg1852she retaliated because she was bullied. Susie is a nice girl, but if you piss her off, that’s where you cross the line.

[@hannahbg1852]

@@Gencinnamon245 Ong tho

[@Gencinnamon245]

@@hannahbg1852 and Joey is just..Joey

[@hannahbg1852]

@@Gencinnamon245 Joey vibin

[@SpellbindingGames]

I like the feeling that each member of the Legion remembers things subtly differently. Each is practical in their own way and each romanticises certain aspects in their own way. Frank is a foster child, bounced around a lot and the practicalities of getting into trouble probably matter less to him which is why Julie is more practical about avoiding getting caught and having proof. When it comes to the stabbing itself to Frank it's probably more important to keep tabs on everyone performing the act because that is something that binds them together as a group, as a family, that can't just send him away again. To Julie it's probably a romantic notion that Frank offered her the knife and defended her and cemented her view that he is her escape from Ormond. If Julie was asked "Did the others also use the knife? " at the time her opportunistic nature would have noted she was third in line, but thinking back? The impact may have simply been Frank offering her the knife. Just a shame Joey got pushed out of frame for it. Is it weird I really hope they reveal his last name soon?

[@DitisEmile]

The Legion is one of my favorite ( if not my all time favorite ) killer, especially Joey and his cosmetics. His cosmetics tell us a lot about him without much words, and I like that about them. I just wish we got to learn more about his life within text as well.

[@themaccave08]

I would really like to see how BHVR expands on Susie and Joey’s story and character beyond just background like the tome shows us. Especially Joey as he essentially has little to nothing to get with him. Not even a last name.

[@eliasar5051]

Despite the missing information and inconsistencies, I still main and love them, and always will. (I´m kind of guessing what you see that is wrong about them, couldn´t even watch yet) At very least, each member needs a proper tome that would fix some problems. (After watching the video) I really like that you included Tat. What I believe in is, that given Julie´s personality, this might actually be the way she is willing to tell the story. With the manner she acts and actually imagines killing someone while the rest of the Legion is by her side, it really looks that way. But, I truly wish that we could get tome chapters for Joey and Susie, as they might also tell the story in a bit of a different way, perhaps focusing on different times such as Susie getting bullied, snapping and getting her revenge on the cheerleader (as her rift outfit implies), or Joey and the way how he interacts with the rest of members. What I believe in is, that there is much more left untold, and it really is about time for us to get all the puzzle pieces.

[@dr.fiction7]

Gotta say, this is a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. Legion is probably one of my favorite killers, and you did a video on them...and it's perfect! Unfortunately, my girl Susie hasn't gotten the characterization she needs, but that won't stop me and 10 other people from loving her. Thanks Pixel!

[@FinestFantasyVI]

10? More like 10,000. I only see people who like Susie. Frank is my guy tho He needs love Even if he is manipulative piece of shit xD

[@eliasar5051]

@@FinestFantasyVI To be honest, most legion members I play against are Franks. Some are Julie/Susie, and the rarest ones are Joey.

[@FinestFantasyVI]

@@eliasar5051 I assume default Frank. Cuz if its people with no cosmetics. I see people prefering Frank over Julie

[@eliasar5051]

@@FinestFantasyVI usually, but thanks to never stop slashing finally getting in store, number of non-default Franks seems to be a bit higher at least in my matches.

[@FinestFantasyVI]

@@eliasar5051 lol nice xD But yeah Never Stop Slashing. Hoo boy. I had 7k shards and was saving it for a Killer. And all that went down the drain when I saw Never Stop Slashing

[@Lil0toto]

While having intricate and detailed lore is cool and can create very interesting characters, I don't think having lore that's a little more vague is necessarily bad. Leaving some details to peoples' imaginations can work great for some characters. And I think the members of the Legion work really well like that. I think a lot of people cling to a character like Susie because we don't really know a ton about her, but what little we do know about her can be quite relatable; she's timid, lacks confidence, is artsy, and is the youngest in the group, which I can imagine may make her feel like a 3rd wheel a lot of the time. That's not a ton to work with for canon stuff, but I think a lot of people can see themselves in Susie. And the same goes for the other characters as well. It also helps that the 4 Legion members are...for lack of better words, kinda the most "human" killers at the moment. Yes, most of the killers are humans and most of them have things that people can probably relate to, but The Legion is ultimately just a group of teenage delinquents in a small town. They're simple and more relatable by comparison. And there's nothing wrong with that. That's not to say I don't want to see more lore for them, I'd personally love to see a Tome from Joey or Susie's POV, because I think it would be interesting to have insight into how they view someone like Frank suddenly showing up into their circle of friends. And maybe I'm biased, but I feel like a killer that consists of 4 different people at least deserves a second Tome to help flesh out more of their group.

[@faerie7dragon]

Sometimes you really just wanna jam out to your tunes while chasing and stabbing people. I love how the Ultra Rare Mixtape is basically The Entity going like: "You know, these Mixtapes that The Legion uses are fun, I am gonna make my own one!" And the gang was cool with it. Susie is cute and Joey is cool. You do not need anything but that for them to work.

[@magical571]

"Sometimes you really just wanna jam out to your tunes while chasing and stabbing people." I swear this defines my love for legion in game, plus the variety among the personalities and outfits. i don't see much love for julie in the comments, only susie and joey, but i love julie and her burglar gear is 10/10

[@Murky-Murk]

It sucks that Susie in OG lore was painted as near innocent but her new year and cheerleader skins state she would happily hurt people if it suited her. Once to please Frank and the other to stop being bullied. Idk why the janitor is any different

[@eliasar5051]

That is actually easy to answer. None of the wounds she ever caused before were fatal (it is not stated anywhere that she went for a kill), or at least they were never intended that way. Even tome is consitent in this one and states, that she was fine with causing serious injuries. Janitor was the first kill, and with clear intention to kill. That is completely different situation. Also, if she didn´t even kill her cheerleader bully who tormented her, why would she want to kill a janitor that she have nothing to do with, or random person on Lunar new year? Difference between these two is, that unlike the Lunar new year dude who most likely survived, janitor was unlucky to have Frank around to force her into killing.

[@hannahbg1852]

@@eliasar5051 That's true, Susie probably hurts others when they hurt her, which probably happened with the cheerleader. If I remember correctly, her and Joey would purposely cause car accidents but never fatal ones. Susie isn't completely innocent but she's probably the most redeemable.

[@16Vessel]

​@@hannahbg1852 stabs a guy for his jacket, totally in self defense

[@hannahbg1852]

@@16Vessel It didn't kill him, she usually hurt people instead of killing them. That's not an excuse but she's never wanted to kill anyone before the Entity took her.

[@xPixelBeatx]

I think these "making them make sense" videos are my favorite videos you do! It's fun to try and look at what we're given in multiple angles to make them fit

[@vertigoes]

I feel like susie could really use some general nastiness to her - she was perfectly fine with threatening, robbing, and generally petty theft, but murder was where she drew the line. i’d love a tome story about her that goes into how nasty girls can get in high school, combined with what sounds to be an already tense homelife. joey could also be used to show why he might have been friends with and then joined the legion in the first place - was it so he could be more secure in high school as a black teen? a power trip? did he have nothing better to turn to, or was these the only friends he had?

[@hannahbg1852]

Julie, Susie and Joey had known eachother before they met Frank, so I'm pretty sure that Susie and Joey were peer pressured while also having their own mental issues. Susie seems to be a little more innocent, especially before they killed the janitor, and she seems to be more shy than nasty. Julie on the other hand, is a different story.

[@vertigoes]

@@hannahbg1852 yes she has cosemetic descriptions that have her mugging people (the year of the rat one) but it is an interesting character trait nonetheless which i feel like a tome story would clear Up

[@hannahbg1852]

@@vertigoes That's true, but the only person that she has killed before the Entity took her was the janitor. I would really like her and Joey's perspective on the story and other things that the gang has done as well.

[@vertigoes]

@@hannahbg1852 i still stand by what i said - she was fine w/ all of the petty stuff & having a tome story that’s abt her unwillingness to escalate but is still fine w what julie & frank are doing and is parcipating in it would be a great angle to come at bc i feel like it’d show how the legion has stuck togethor as both a group and as a friendship

[@hannahbg1852]

@@vertigoes I agree, but Joey and Susie have clearly been peer pressured. Sure, Susie loves her friends, and in the end she stuck with them, but I don't think she really enjoyed certain moments.

[@RampagingRice]

The Legion's lore (as well as their very beginner friendly gameplay when I was first getting into playing killer) is what really drew me into them. I love reading the little lore bits that are attached to each outfit, the tome that revealed Susie's last name and gave her almost a mini-tome story in her costume and charm descriptions, et cetera. That being said, the tome's cinematic INFURIATES me. I remember seeing it the first time and just being confused - "What? But isn't Joey supposed to go after Frank? Wait, only two of them attacked the cleaner at all.. This doesn't make sense! Surely this wasn't just an oversight?" which eventually grew into frustration as it felt like such an obvious thing to be overlooked. Despite the cinematic being hot trash (although the animation in itself is awesome) I did really like the tome. And with more and more characters receiving additional entries in the tomes, I look forward to a future tome that focuses more heavily on Susie a bit, but ESPECIALLY Joey. He is criminally undercharacterized. I think the most we know about him is his taste in music and (thanks to a very cool bit of info on his Season's Killing sweater) that he has a single mom at home and frequently leaves the house to cause trouble and take his mind off of it. And also that he supposedly is a fan of a video game character named Atlus Flint, so much so that he cosplays as them at a GAMEPLAY EXPO IN A TOWN WITH 6000 PEOPLE. IN THE 80'S. but whatever. cool fit i guess. and P.S. GIVE JOEY AND SUSIE THEIR OWN DAMN VOICES ALREADY SHEESH Great vid as always Pixel.

[@Lusius8879]

here's how I see it: Frank is the instinct of the killer, Julie is the brains of the killer, Susie is the heart of the killer and Joey is the brawn of the killer. it is clear that Frank is leading them on an almost primal level: therefor the instinct; the first impulse that guides. Julie is very observative and streetwise: therefor the brains, because she is more calculating. Susie is shy and more caring, almost putting her feelings in front of everything: therefor the heart, as she seems to be the main pull-back preventing legion from going on a murdering spree. Lastly, Joey, is extremely loyal and willing to clean up the dirty work and the heavy lifting (literally) just to stay on Frank's good side: therefor the brawn, as he does as Frank asks him to do, but has difficulty actually killing (because muscles alone help with killing, but cannot kill without the mind and an impuls to start the act). All four of them together are the killer. and that is why I think as a group, they work so well. they are a 4-piece-puzzle. as soon as 1 puzzle disappears, the puzzle is no longer whole; thus as soon as 1 member disappears, the killer no longer exists.

[@magical571]

i really like this depiction of the legion

[@catboyslim202]

We need Legion equity! I'm not just talking a tome, I'm talking voices too!

[@hollow_indigo1035]

7:10 fourth wall break lol, I love this video it actually really helped me find a new appreciation for the lore!

[@Paddy-if3nd]

I love the Legion. They are probably in my top 3 favorite killers with Plague and Blight. I think I'd order them from favorite to least as Susie, Joey, Frank, then Julie. I feel like each member should get their own tome or at least do a tome where the killer side of it has bite sized stories from the perspective of each member.

[@Bmaster1001]

Just pointing out a bit of a continuity snarl from the Tome and base backstory for the chapter. The final part of SoM imply a that the Legion got its name right before they killed the cleaner. Which forgets another point of The Legion’s story, that Jeff painted the mural at the resort. And said mural was the main reason why Jeff was taken by The Entity. If they came up with the Legion name just before they vandalized the store and killed the cleaner, there would be no time for the mural to be created.

[@possiblychey]

not tat and pixel in the same video! love the content. i can't be bothered to do all of the challenges. so bless you for telling the lore so clearly!

[@BasementDweller_]

I’m excited! I’ve waited so long for a Legion video!

[@Sodsboy]

I'm really hoping that if they ever do go back to Legion lore. They decide to cover more about Susie and Joey. Joey's always been my favourite of the group but it sucks he doesn't get much in terms of story.

[@destindarksoul]

10:49 this is the first time I've ever noticed the legion cast in the Darkness Among Us logo

[@in-ediblecheeseO64]

What I don't like about Legion's lore is Suzie. She clearly lacks any confidence on her own, however, she is the first member of the legion to draw blood. Her cosmetic descriptions of her Lunar New Year skin clearly states that she stabbed a random guy in the back, twice, to impress Frank. Her new cheerleader outfit says that she was bullied and some how got even with the bully. This all happened before the cleaner murder. In terms of in-game item lore Suzie is the most prone to violence of the group. I do think it would be cool if Suzie and Joey got tome lores as well as they are technically unique characters who really don't have any lore on their own.

[@katze9834]

The cosmetics have the excuse of being taken from alternate universes at least, the base lore and tome’s characterizations don’t

[@eliasar5051]

Well, it is fairly possible that the person she stabbed survived as wounds weren´t fatal. And the timeline of the outfits is not implied either. As tome says, Susie had no problems causing some serious injuries eventually. Mostly due to the Frank and Julie´s influence.

[@Rexvils]

@@eliasar5051 the problem is that The Legion were taken hours after the cleaner’s death. There is no timeline to justify fitting in the outfit murders unless Susie took a detour before burying the cleaner’s body on Ormond. The only real explanation for the Lunar New Year description and the Cheerleader Outfit if they were taken from a version of Susie where the Legion’s members already started killing before being taken.

[@eliasar5051]

@@Rexvils It wasn´t directly stated that she killed that cheerleader though. None of the previous wounds caused by attacks of the Legion members were fatal, so I assume that there is at least a day or even more between inventing the name "Legion" and actually raiding that store. Otherwise literally nothing that bears that name including the existence of mural would make any sense at all. All that base lore says is, that Frank convinced Joey to raid the store "that had fired him recently." That could mean pretty much any timeframe in margin of few days.

[@arweeniehutjr]

@@Rexvils There's no way that's possible since they're taken around August of 1996 and The Lunar New Year is months before that point- and the Cheerleader Outfit is probably a year before then in 1995 (since her ID charm in that same tome is 1994-1995). It's possible that Susie drew the line at murder but was okay with hurting people.

[@ericwilford7691]

Tat is in this video??? Let’s go, did you know the legion is a killer in the game dbd

[@IHaveInsomnia333]

Fun fact: Feral frenzy was originally called Deadly rage

[@theGECK042]

Joey and Suzie are definitely Frank and Julie's imaginary friends.

[@joyfulleader5075]

I never liked that theory one bit. It makes little sense for their lore and would just be unnecessary if it turned out Joey and Susie were fake. It's a nice theory, but I don't think it's accurate

[@theGECK042]

@@joyfulleader5075 I completely agree, to be honest.

[@basaltcrust1915]

@@joyfulleader5075 i assumed this comment was a joke, do people actually think this as a theory and not a joke? How do people keeping finding new ways to try and make the equivalent of "it was all a dream" lol?

[@joyfulleader5075]

@@basaltcrust1915 Yep, there's people who believe in it for some reason, even if it makes zero sense and does absolutely nothing for their lore

[@FoxythePirateFox.]

@@joyfulleader5075 it's a joke about how Julie and Frank are in the spotlight and Joey and Susie have basically no depth or lore

[@SOBEKCrocodileGod]

I’m just out here waiting for more Joey lore and cosmetics Also one thing that always bugged me was that they were taken in the 90s but all dress like they’re from the late 2000s (Susie’s scene/emo/pop punk style fashion) or the late 2010s (Joey’s techwear fashion) Also I will not stand for that Wesker slander lol

[@DestinyKiller]

Legion is such a weird killer to me. Why would the Entity want them? Yeah, the were clearly headed down a dark road but the Entity usually seems to show more forethought, I guess. When he's got badasses like The Hag, The Nurse, The Hillbilly all under its domain why in Earth would it want 4 dumb teenagers?

[@dragonbornexpress5650]

Simple: The Entity simply wants killers.

[@Hebleh]

Reminder the DBDleaks twitter is a huge Joey fan! Every Legion member is loved somewhere :D

[@aleciosun1060]

Almost all killers suffer from inconsistencies in lore. It's at a point that you just have to choose which cannon you like the most.

[@arweeniehutjr]

An interesting thing to note about Susie in particular is that her character model is the only character in The Legion that's smiling/showing emotion- but she is also the only one with clouded eyes. If you look at all the other legion members, their pupil color is black but hers is gray indicating The Entity possibly mind controlled her to do its bidding. The only explanation I could ever come up with for the inconsistencies making her violent (despite the original lore suggesting otherwise) is made up memories by The Entity to sway Susie into believing she's always enjoyed killing or harming others. Either that, or the possibility of perhaps after all being groomed into a life of crime by Frank (Not confirmed/canon but a dev did have the idea in a Samination stream that Susie killed because she loved Frank) and since her ID charm suggests she's known Frank since she was a freshman/The Legion was formed back then (1993-1994, when she's a sophomore in 1996) she possibly was groomed into a life of crime because she's insecure and doesn't have anything else to lay back on. This would also make more sense since they're presumably taken around August of 1996 and the Lunar New Year was in January of that year. The only thing I can make sense of (if the cosmetics are indeed canon) is that maybe she really drew the line at killing, maybe taking a life was more dangerous and scary to her than just stabbing someone- it's never stated she actually killed the man she just left him to bleed out. I'm pretty sure that Angsty Artist is more of a Julie skin considering they got the two mixed up (even the outfit has Julie's face under it) because it also states painting canvases when Susie is more of an arts and crafts enjoyer. As for her newest 'Stolen Cheer' skin, which is definitely from her Freshman year if it's connected to the ID, it's possible around that time she was still trying to figure herself out and who she wanted to hang around. It never does state she killed the cheerleader, simply stole her shit and maybe threatened the girl as well- or perhaps The Legion as a whole beat the girl up or bullied her much harder in return (It is stated in their original lore that their weekend activities included bullying.) It's clear though that Susie did have plans outside of The Legion in her original outfits, describing applying for college down the line and volunteering for her credits. As complex and sad as Susie is, I think the reason people like her so much is because you can really relate to someone who's never felt like they fit in anywhere they went- even with The Legion being the only family she has she's always been the shy and quiet one and only tags along so she feels like she has someone. So here's to hoping that BHVR gives her more lore and elaborates on her character, same with Joey who is just as important and interesting.

[@IHaveInsomnia333]

As a leigon main this is kind of true I wish they made lore for Joey and susie:Edit something funny is my sisters name is Julie so that's pretty cool

[@HelterSeltzer_the_one]

Oh wow! Pixle Bush Legion fact? 9:19 The crossover IS complete! On another note, Joey's outfits are my favorite and I look forward to his tome. Whenever that may be

[@JazzSicaa]

As a Susie fan, she is my favorite because I'm also a insecure and introvert girl. Not so many characters in the game I find relatable to me, especially killers, so when I found about Susie and as a main killer I loved her. And I really like her sense of fashion too kek.

[@Mroziukz]

She is a merciless killer

[@arkady116]

Everytime I see Frank I think of the voice he has in Samination's Dead by daylight parodies.

[@alexmarchi5239]

Maybe instead of the Tomes depicting what happened at the Store, it's depicting what they wished happened (there own retelling of the story to another person). It could be cool to see Joey maybe stab the cashier first instead of Frank or Susie maybe "being sick" during the killing or being the one that was saved.

[@Got_Issues]

Maybe but if no one knows, clearly they didn't communicate that properly which is bad story telling.

[@davinpaz1871]

Waiting with baited breath for the dredge episode

[@poissonsumac7922]

Oh boy, can't wait to see what insights you'll dredge up next video!!

[@ezergilechimekazikura6855]

I like Susie because of what she represents the most out of the group in OG lore (not taking skins into consideration because their stories also conflict with the OG story): the corruption of potential of the ill-spirited. As rightfully mentioned, she is 16 at the time of the Legion entering the Fog, and that scene in their OG lore shows greatly how person having no willpower to oppose evil intent and deeds sucumbs to it. It is no coincidence that Frank, not Julie, forces her hand to finish a job of taking a life, as he is the leader, spearheading his followers into the dark pit of hellscape itself, as Susie is the follower. In that moment of hesitation her fate had been sealed and her choice was made. And, as Johny Blaze in the first Ghost Racer movie said, if You are not making the choice, the choice is made for you. Susie, being the last person to land a blow, and showing doubt and unwillingness to do so, could've been the one to oppose the Legion, had she the strenght of will and courage to object, when her doom hour struck. But, not being steadfast in her judgement, already conscripted with the Legion, she hesitates, and evil, by Frank's hand, ties Susie to itself, by the blood of a life she inadvertantly took. And, more fittingly, she then becomes an Entity's agent, once more inflicting suffering on others in her act of submission and servitude to evil too great for her to oppose, which warps her to the point where violence towards outsiders is the only language she is able to communicate by, showing, that evil can only be opposed with determination, and a person with lack there of is but a vessel to be filled by it.

[@danielfialaatwork8652]

lol that was the most jarring transition i've watched, which i commend as a creative decision

[@DitisEmile]

I always kind of interpreted the moment in the cinematic as to be how Julie herself interpreted the moment.

[@Kcg8rGaming]

YES! THE VIDEO I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR!

[@ja_cow_ski]

MULTIPLE STAB WOUNDS

[@Hypersceneskeet]

Go!go! legion-frenzy!

[@titaniumbat7820]

Joey And Susie are my favourites, I wish we got more of them because right now it’s the Frank and Julie show

[@Pootis-Spencer]

Since dbd is in for making second tomes for the characters, I'm gonna sit and wait for the Joey tome with some coffee

[@kilowyatt1107]

BVHR wrote them selves into a wall with the legion as now they have to write lore for 4 characters

[@dragonbornexpress5650]

Not necessarily.

[@ghostfaced4893]

Frank - a Charles Manson type figure, leading the other three through his ideals and some type of rage due to how his childhood was. Joey is a classic follower, trying to simply impress the group and will do so through any means possible Julie, as stated in this video, sees frank as a ticket out of Ormond and is madly inlove with him. Susie, the shy gal, was forced into stabbing the doood. Just a good girl in a bad group. Oh, and if we wanna talk about how she looks the most insane of the group, i blame the Entity for that! Since we know it already doesn't care about forcing killers to work for it (look at trapper, guy apparently fought against the Entity at one point only to get tortured and is more like a beast than man). So I think The Entity made Susie more insane, because there's NO WAY she would willingly just stab people to death after literally trying to get away from stabbing the janitor.

[@Benny_Blu]

That comparison to Macbeth was genius. *Chef's kiss*

[@BabaYhin]

I feel like Susie as a character of legion herself, after being forced so many times to kill, would eventually start to crave it and excel in it eventually without franks help, eventually pushing him on the edge of her thoughts every time she hunts. She'd go from shy, nervous, thrill seeker....to a ravenous thrill seeker who can't wait to dig her knife into her neck victim. Although I feel like this would cause some moments of fractures within Susie and Frank would have to help her from regretting what she's done.

[@StalkyBoi]

The large amount of morbin it must have taken to make this video... One shudders to think of it

[@ashtmslf2315]

"yes please i'm running out of material" - Ever writer, scriptwriter or comedian when somebody asks them if they want to take a break

[@dnsisksn]

STOP MY JAW LITERALLY DROPPED WHEN I HEARD TAT OH MYYYY

[@lrgamer1224]

Legion Slander let’s goooooo

[@iamsasorii8487]

love that subtle Dance Gavin Dance joke lol

[@RoisterDoister11]

Did not expect a Shakespeare comparison when I clicked on this video! I love it but a minor correction, while MacDuff does in fact kill MacBeth. Malcom, Duncan's son and named heir takes the throne at the end of the play.

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

Joey: come on, BHVR! I still don't have a last name?! Susie got hers!

[@pandasDBD]

tatariu the god with an appearance man i love u homie keep up the great content legion is love legion is life

[@Six_Corrupted]

Tat coming in defending my boi Frank. Drake

[@LordRazer3]

Funny thing is that Julie is the only one smiling under that mask and one that screams maniac

[@LusisNaturae44]

To this day I'm still thinking about how angry it made me with how misleading the legion trailer felt, making me think it was gonna have some murder mystery mechanic to it

[@miketrapper0464]

7:27 fourth wall break inside a fourth wall break that’s like sixteen walls

[@stevencavanagh7990]

I watched a relay good Vid on KZbin of theory's, it suggested that Joey & Suzie don't actually exist, and are figments of Frank & Julies imagination. which would make the scene in there tomb make sense, in there minds Joey did stab the Cleaner as Joey is Franks inner desire to please and be a better person. Joey & Susie mirror Frank & Julie in a lot of ways.

[@Frank-qs7gp]

What if the base lore is how killers would describe their self and their backstory if you were to ask them and the tome stories and cutscenes are what really what happened. Like it makes sense that the base lore of the Legion would be told by Frank in his perspective because he's the face of the Legion and would probably be the one to tell you who they're if you ask. A good example of this would be Nurses lore. In her base lore she is described as this caring kind person who because of the horrors of the mental facility she worked in went insane and killed people, but her tome story and cut scene show a completely different story. Just a thought

[@KagekiriRenma]

With how Joey and Susie kinda fade into the background of the story.. I feel like the original concept for the Legion mightve just been Frank and Julie and that maybe Joey and Susie were added later on to sell cool cosmetics that may not have fit Frank and Julie thematically and to give them an excuse to vandalize that store (Joey being fired) to set up them being taken by the Entity

[@notgabriel8624]

Legion fact: Tat is the most based member of the Legion

[@joshzilla8947]

Susie Best Girl. The cinematic is blasphemy against Susie. Saying Susie is a one dimensional piece of paper is also blasphemy against Susie.

[@athonsmoker5437]

I never clicked so fast on a video

[@Dinker27]

Forgive my ignorance, but what does it mean to get Freddied? That would be to get nerfed so hard it's difficult to play?

[@jaymatsu2367]

He meant by changing their power entirely, hence the word Freddied due to Freddy's power has been reworked entirely

[@Dinker27]

@@jaymatsu2367 Thanks.

[@niepenosprytny6038]

O MA GAH TATARIU!11!1!1!2!2! Biggest collab ever

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

In the end, Julie was the pants of the Legion.

[@TheNamesFrank]

Nice Evil Dead poster in your background.

[@P0choclo_]

"Susie on release with the Darkness among us DLC is a 16 y/o girl" Me, a 17 y/o that started playing her since I was 15: I don't see the problem Now fr, I feel that Susie needs her own tome now, since with David and future Blight tomes we can see that some killers are going to have more tomes in the future, I want to see one about Susie to explore her character. I mean, she is one of the most inconsistent members of The Legion, and I say it not only for the cutscene tome, but for her cosmetics Here is an example from one of the Susie outfits, "New year shoplifter", the weapond "Sparkling Knife": "She snatched a gem-embedded knife and followed the man outside. She chased him down an alley. Wanting to impress Frank, she stabbed the man in the back, twice. He stopped and stumbled while Susie snatched his waller. She left him in the cold street, bleeding" This weapong description is literally telling us that Susie killed a man for money and so she could impress Frank at the sime time, stabbing him twice. That makes literally 0 sence, since the base lore told us about an insecure and shy Susie, not a girld that wants to hurt people. And the latest outfit that she got from the rift, "Stolen Cheer", told us about a Susie that was bullied by a cheerleador at school, and that presumably she killed, and then vandalized the uniform of that cheerleader...and that is not the Susie that we know about (this outfit even has a "Doll knife" as a weapond, and the last part of the desciption about this weapond says "a twisted riposte to those who caused her so much pain") Even with all this, she is my favourite member of the four, but I think that she needs a tome lore too (and also, her own voice. Joey and Susie have the same voice as Frank and Julie). And that concludes my problem with my favourite member of the Legion :)

[@MoldSac]

Omfg i love dgd they’re my favorite band thank you for using their song lmao

[@ashtmslf2315]

wasn't expecting a macbeth comparison in a Dbd video... But I'm also not suprised

[@x-ray2k1]

Yooo legion vid and Tat is in it One little thing I wish is all the separate legion members had their own voices instead of just female and male voice

[@jinx1987]

I honestly like Legion as the most “grounded” killer. I always respect the grounded characters in a series like Stryker from Mortal Kombat.

[@tsil8214]

I believe that the tome and the original lore can be correct at the same time if you look at it from another perspective. What if they were the stories of the group from two different perspectives, Frank and Julies,. Frank being the charismatic one could have read the situation in a way that leads to the original characterization, and the tome shows how Julie remembers the events. Since details about events are always different depending on which person you ask I'd say that it's actually good writing to have a discrepancy between the cinematic and the original story.

[@Eclipsed_Embers]

ultimately my answer to the tome cinematic is that the cinematic is shown how Julie remembers it. Joey and Susie aren't important to Julie's recolection of the event, therefore they're put into the background, for her the only important things in that moment were herself, Frank, and the fact that they were killing a guy. then again I'm not exactly an ultra legion fan and am basically pulling this expaination out with only stuff learned from this video. it's entirely possible that I'm just completely wrong.

[@deadbunny2938]

Julie Kostenko, Susie Lavoie, and Joey. *Just Joey.*

[@Preppy_Hearts1]

''Frank Morrison''

[@iannations2543]

Maybe tome 13 could explore Susie or Joey with their relationships? Granted, we'll have to go through Blight the third and conceptual mess Jonah, but the most we can do is pray that both stories make _those_ characters better.

[@acehealer4212]

I do find the simplicity of the Legion compelling. Just some close buds who like to cause trouble. Running around the map stabbing everyone in sight. That said, I would really like to see more from them. Joey in particular has the coolest look to me, but I want to know more about who he is and what his relationship to the group is.

[@themiller3940]

Susie is still inexplicably my favorite legion member.

[@Josewatchesvids]

Lmao the dance gavin dance part

[@TheRedarm75]

looking forward to dredge Ive been dying for a malformed body horror killer for years

[@SuperStar-ss1pn]

14:02 Hell almost makes you wonder why they didn't ACTULLY put them in the game

[@butterbrien2374]

Can also see the difference in the cinematic as being told by the difference views of who is talking and giving an unreliable narrative

[@Alex-2.01]

I like Joey the most, mainly because of the Expo skin, the one with the red eye

[@notaspider4084]

what's important is that they have *drip*

[@czardeaner7713]

It's cute the way you thought they were going to rework the twins before first reworking the other 28 killers. It hurts too T.T