Male R&B Is Officially Dead

[@brandonf.8360]

R & B/Soul didn't die, the artist aren't getting the same push as before. Also, the radio had people too dependent on what's good or not. There's still great music but a lot of artist aren't being heard.

[@velioskay3924]

Greatest example : Victoria Monét

[@lemaxou2039]

People don’t dig for music anymore. I thought having a bigger access would help to highlights unknown artists but people keep listening to what the playlist serve them … smdh

[@brandonf.8360]

@@lemaxou2039 I was going to say a lot of the good joints are in top playlist but have to get massive attention instead of putting the songs straight out.

[@onekeiway]

The answer exactly - my point each time I discuss this in studio

[@onekeiway]

@@brandonf.8360 she’s fire. Amazing writer and her own music is as well. Additionally she works with producer D. Mile often (Lucky Daye, Silk Sonic, etc)

[@vices1710]

R&B was about experiencing deep emotions it was about singing your heart out while you're crying under the rain No one cares about that anymore People learned to act like they don't have a heart anymore Like love is a cringy thing Good music will comeback when people stop acting like they are to good to have emotions

[@AvecPoesie]

Beautifully said 🥀

[@MarquesTheProducer]

I would agree with this if we were talking about R&B four years ago but since 2020, there's been a balance lyrically. And since 2022, all R&B has been about is emotion...

[@vices1710]

@@MarquesTheProducer emotional about break up and cheating one night stand toxic relationships Its not about finding love Or wish you the best i want you forever type songs Ego alot ego

[@esho758]

Hit the nail right on the head. Everybody too cool to be vulnerable and show feelings now.

[@MarquesTheProducer]

@@vices1710 don’t act like love isn’t a topic … Muni Long, DVSN, Sebastian Mikael, Jvck James, Lianne La Havas, Mac Ayres, Tiana Major9, Cleo Sol, Kehlani (especially with her last album), Ella Mai, Ari Lennox, Lucky Daye, Steve Lacy, Victoria Monét, Andersen Paak, Bruno Mars, SiR, Dijon, Alex Isley, H.E.R… the list goes on.

[@ajtaylor8750]

R&B isn't dead completely but has definitely went away from what it was originally in the past. We went from R&B singers talking about loving a woman to simp level degrees to now R&B singers talking about taking another man's girl and catching a rapper's fade. Chris Brown has definitely taken on more of the pop and even rap sound that sees him make a lot of bubble gum R&B music when in reality he's truly one of the best singers in the game when he delivers sultry R&B cuts and dance/club records.

[@johnwise4341]

R&B artist weren’t simps back then actually. The women back then were a lot more legit. Dudes today are simps cause they do toxic stuff for females that are hoes. They don’t chase good women no more they want crazy chicks that use them. 😫

[@torrijones8434]

Right

[@ljy32swag]

The female artists are on top by far now in R&B. The dudes in the genre ain’t even a factor anymore for the most part. 50% of what the female artist talk about can’t be understood or felt by straight dudes at least and then the female audience isn’t as consistent because the male artists aren’t that good so a lot of the audience isn’t as present as they used to be. And with the rappers singing/melodic flows now then that audience moved over there.

[@lemaxou2039]

R&B is not dead it is not pop anymore that’s it. Plateform has all the music you want you just have to search for it

[@ProphetP11]

🎯🎯

[@Kal-El207]

It’s all about sex, drugs and infidelity now. Used to be about lovemaking, staying together, being loyal or falling in love, being treated better by someone than your last partner treated you. It’s sad af tbh. Goes to show what the goal is. What happened to the Keith Sweats? The Tanks? The Tyreses? The Jodeci’s? The Dru Hills? Etc. what happened to THOSE types of people that made those songs? Hell even Chingy had some hits that I still play to this day, like One Call Away. That brings back so many memories. Music like THAT is what we need these days.

[@ixan3417]

i got the vocals kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqmukKSod7KSkJY

[@angel_of_rust]

tldr hedonism.

[@yvngshaggy2229]

It’s all apart of the elites agenda that’s why

[@aylin2341]

that r&b music is still out there, it’s just shifted in a new way. ella mai, h.e.r, daniel caesar, etc. infidelity and sex are apart of life. you sing of experience. if i look at all genres of music today and all genres of music from the 90s and there was no difference i would be pissed. music is supposed to be constantly evolving. media is never supposed to just stay the same, because that means generations are staying the same. there would be no nostalgia.

[@randomguy8228]

Isn’t sex and lovemaking the same?😂

[@netrambles]

A lack of vulnerability in the music of today's male RNB artists is very present. Even in the 2000s where the hip hop influence was as evident as its ever been, artists could still tap in to their weakest emotions and turn it into a strength in their records. Times do change but that aspect should be a constant.

[@Ms9mmBeretta]

Or R&B male crooners died because the stuff men used to sing about is considered simping now. There aren't that many men willing to beg a woman to stay or apologize for hurting their woman's feelings or sensually pleasing a woman or anything like that, stuff we used to sing about. Now it's "fuk these h*es" and "it's not your girl, it's just your turn" mentality.

[@ixan3417]

i got the vocals kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqmukKSod7KSkJY

[@QueueLewdSphere]

This is a perfect explanation

[@S2hawnn]

This is the one right here

[@sub_zerotv3877]

You didn’t mention Bruno Mars in the conversation. He still making R&B music. And he still getting a lot of spins on the radio.

[@timkruse9912]

bruno is soo overrated tbh, anderson paak is really the star out of two

[@sub_zerotv3877]

@@timkruse9912 he’s not overrated at all. He’s just naturally talented. He’s a great performer. And he’s good at his collaborations.

[@NostalgiCrazy]

@@timkruse9912 How is he overrated? If anything he’s underrated nowadays.

[@eighty2snkrs]

@@timkruse9912 yea paak got way more talent but bruno over rated, hell naw. name ONE bad song from him??

[@Natangwe_Unam]

He didn’t mention Daniel Caesar either

[@2stackjvo]

The Weeknd can go right back into his r&b bag at any given moment though. that’s what makes bro one of the top dawgs in this generation of r&b.

[@landonati6067]

exactly

[@biscaynesupercars]

Big facts!!!

[@Creukelen]

The only thing changing Weeknd music from what it is now to R&B is the beat selection. When you hear his leaks you’ll hear the same lyrics over R&B beats that you hear now on the poppy one.

[@rollobeatz1671]

I wish he’d give us another house of balloons type album one day

[@remyroland8016]

The Weeknd is a pop artist.

[@honeycombz34]

No one ever gives The Dream his credit. His Love/Hate album is a classic that inspired a lot of artists including The Weeknd. A triple threat that sings, produces and writes songs for himself and other artists

[@Earl_TheSquirrel]

FACTS HE IS LEGIT A LEGEND AND BETTER THAN 95% OF THESE ARTIST

[@tyesmith7201]

Even though I like The dream, but he came and went way too quick, he had a good career for like 3 years and that's it.

[@MONET8iAM]

@@tyesmith7201 incorrect. If you’re speaking of his own solo music, he’s released 4 other projects since those first 3. He was writing and producing way before any of those, and all throughout and to this day he’s written/produced a lot of artists biggest hits. Beyonce???? Rihanna???? Mariah Carey???? Justin Bieber????

[@namenlosNamenlos]

💯💯💯

[@zacmirza6498]

@@MONET8iAM lets be real no one really knows who he is

[@bp2000k]

R&B ain’t dead but like you said „singers raps & rappers sing“. The content is so much based about Sex,Toxicity,Drugs etc. It’s hard to search songs about Love,Relationships,making the Community better and so on. There‘s singers who doesn’t want to train their Vocals & there‘s singer with great vocals who doesn’t get much attention. Again R&B ain’t dead. There‘s great music out there, but it’s broken in many ways.

[@jonsjooh3424]

WoW !!! Couldn’t said better 💯‼️

[@sierra22music]

@@jonsjooh3424 Exactly! As an artist and producer myself i see a lot of artists in my generation that want to act hard and tuff, when in reality its a fassade. Even the songs they want to record with nice vocals and emotional progressions end up being blunt partysongs without any substance.

[@jonsjooh3424]

@@sierra22music yeah it must be hard for you , you are artist and producer so you should have seen or heard and surely know a lot compared to me . Yeah they have to be true to themselves. When you are not what you claim to be , it’s don’t last…For me too, it’s hard , because I want to listen rnb with substance (love, compassion, romance, Sadeness, friendship etc…) I want to feel emotions but what we got is negative subjects (toxic relationship, hookup , sex etc…) some rnb girls seems like they have same tone, we don’t see rnb Collabs. So I go back to classics and underrated classic of this genre I really wants song that make me dream etc… and more modern but it’s seem like in rap. The talented ones with originality get no much attention as they should , it’s too bad. We as the listeners and rnb lover can change that , and put on the light the ones who deserves. And to be honest the only r’b song in my playlist is 80’s-90’s and early 2000’s. Very Few songs 2010’s .

[@jayc5756]

EXACTLY!!!

[@asavelakuse6865]

Some do but it's just those few songs amongst the guys. When singers and rappers started to lookalike and sound alike it bad Hip Hop and R&B become one genre. Even the Nieslan soundscan said so a machine.

[@chazefaulk5008]

I honestly feel like we need a male R&B group to come and bring back that classic sound. Some talented men in their 20s should come together and do that. But unfortunately nobody believe in groups these days

[@aylin2341]

there are plenty but they get dropped from their labels or projects never get pushed because things like that are different being forced into today. make an r&b group and make that classic sound today’s music in the r&b category and they will thrive. look at FLO!!

[@gb.510]

mindless behavior?

[@chazefaulk5008]

@@gb.510 a R&B vocal group

[@ThevelvetundergroundnNico]

Group? Why group solo artists are way better unless its a band not talking about shitty boy bands

[@scoopalexander]

Every great genre of music fragments over time as it evolves. I believe hip hop and R&B are just now reaching that stage of maturity. R&B is not dead it is just built for a different time now.

[@johnwise4341]

Maturity? Music was way more mature back in the day. Artist sung about grown up things that today’s artist can’t even fathom. Artist today make very juvenile songs.

[@malcolmxpanther]

Only person who can save R&B is R. Kelly. Y’all don’t want to say it lol

[@cpt33]

I respect your opinion but you’re so wrong

[@kauswekazilimani3736]

​@@malcolmxpanther How? He became a legacy act.

[@CantdoitWontdoit]

The way hip hop is in 23’ - RnB has a better longevity then rap. Rappers are a dime a dozen and easily forgotten. You’ll remember these ‘musicians’ and ‘singers’ in 10 years. We won’t remember much rappers but the the usual list.

[@GHfan4life]

R&B isn’t dead, it just isn’t as mainstream as it was in the 90s, and early aughts. Every genre has its peaks and valleys like rock/punk. There are great artists out there, just because they’re not dominating the charts, doesn’t mean it’s dead.

[@tacosainteasy]

Nah it's dead at least for now Only a few guys sing there heart out

[@Theraiman616]

name me five artist keepin rnb alive right NOW

[@crispri3919]

That does mean it is dead lol.

[@ThevelvetundergroundnNico]

Which means its dead

[@jonlee580]

I don't think r&b will ever die..it's just the record company wants a certain look and aren't signing the most talented but the most good looking and connected to the industry

[@jonsjooh3424]

📠‼️💯

[@ProphetP11]

It's hella watered down in a shameful way

[@wolfkilla92]

facts

[@Jay-Kay-Buwembo]

This 👆🏿, it still persists underground in adjacent genres like Gospel

[@jonsjooh3424]

@@Jay-Kay-Buwembo Damn !!!

[@justgeeek]

I was having this convo with my friends the other day. R&B, rap, hiphop has been bought out. These big labels realize that artistry doesn’t matter anymore. All they need is a jingle that slaps for 15 seconds. Its a better return on investment for them. I remember a few years ago, the term “industry plant” was seen as something negative. Now? Thats all we got 😭.

[@MrPiccalo3000]

It’s bigger than that. It’s the entertainment industry period. It’s a lack of originality due to the progression of the entire industry, and where it has gone from where it was before. It was about the craft because less people were involved. But as with everything, too many hands in the cookie jar changes the value of the cookie. Lawyers and businessmen are making the creative decisions. Music, sport, movies make more due to streaming and therefore have been bought out

[@thisislenard]

I think R&B needs a 90s/2000s reemergence. Just like how disco and pop-punk had it's revival, I think RnB needs to tap into what made the genre so innovative during those decades

[@XXXtemptation107]

I’m praying on it

[@sam-nc5ou]

Flo is doing that. Idk about the guys though

[@NostalgiCrazy]

@@sam-nc5ou You read my mind! It’s sad that male R&B is almost nowhere in the spotlight.

[@marvin469]

2000s RnB ?

[@lilaprincess]

Not happening .

[@gonzalezrentalproperty1407]

Thanks!

[@DOUBLEJOE850]

R&B isn’t dead. I think the issue is there are a lot of singers who are either starting to sing the same thing or just coming into the genre for all the wrong reasons. A lot of singers are chasing the fame and wealth instead of the art itself.

[@lowlowseesee]

yep....every art suffers from this. i even see it in sports occasionally. particularly with the rise of the instant gratification of 'likes'

[@mrm9570]

I completely agree! Music should be about the art itself and not just the end goal of getting famous and rich

[@ixan3417]

i got the vocals kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqmukKSod7KSkJY

[@shiivainu9442]

Right there’s just a bunch of old heads in here talkin bout the good ol days and the decline of values lol

[@Boogie1328]

And that means it’s dead

[@27remdog27]

I can see funk being bigger than traditional r&b in the 2020s because Gemini rights, an evening with silk sonic and renaissance were all bigger hits than anything slow or sad. People just seem sick of that vibe

[@Kal-El207]

Slow and Sad can only be so sonically intriguing. We need some vibrational, next level stuff with some different tunes and melodies.

[@sakshamtyagi9652]

Exactly. These artists don't wanna involve and get pissy when people don't fuck with their decade old sound.

[@manniking233]

@@sakshamtyagi9652 R&B is dead. R&B for nerds is what replaced it.

[@ThevelvetundergroundnNico]

@@manniking233r&b is not kpop bro 😭 wym nerd

[@kennethiavail1719]

As a woman R&B Music just doesn’t feel beautiful anymore. I know music evolves, and 2023 music won’t sound like 1994 music, but we don’t have passion anymore. Today they make sex sound so vulgar whereas artists like Boys II Men and Joe made it sound so loving. That could also be because of how society has changed. I just want to hear more smooth sounds and milky voices not struggle vocals.

[@brandonbates9259]

TLC Red light special..A song about sex but like you mentioned that song is beautiful and has passion and not overly vulgar.That's what alot of these comments arent understanding

[@cherishxoxo2738]

Yes I miss old school R&B😩😩 music in general has changed so much.

[@hweheheh]

Man I don't get these complaints. There are so many artists with smooth voices. Jazmine Sullivan, GIVEON, and Daniel Caesar come to mind.

[@Kevinschart]

I wish I could make some playlists for y'all. You just need a little guidance in the right direction

[@assassin8636]

​@@hweheheh finally someone with some common sense

[@nicholas.presljak]

I don’t know how a video can start by saying Chris Brown has struggled to adapt to the change in R&B. Charted at least one song on the hot 100 since 2005 and had a top 10 every year since 2018, 2 of those songs charting 50+ weeks. There was no research put into this video at all

[@RD-zj6vc]

R&B is dead because of these things: 1. Church attendance is down; 2. Streaming encourages shorter songs; 3. Too many songs are too slow; 4. Very little music is made for the purpose of dancing on a dancefloor with other people; 5. Fewer young people know how to play instruments; 6. The structure of Hip-Hop ruined R&B over a period of about 25 years (since the late 90s); 7. Young men only want to rap - very few of them want to be straight ahead singers or instrumentalists.

[@proverbs31university]

I am in love with you list and the fact that number one was church attendance is down is exactly what I’ve been saying!!

[@juicyparsons]

GREAT list!!

[@hweheheh]

4. Is complete nonsense. Have you ever heard of reggaeton? EDM? 7. Is also complete nonsense, there are millions of male singers out there trying to make it big, and plenty that have.

[@RD-zj6vc]

@@hweheheh Reggaeton and EDM are not R&B, the subject of this post and my reply. And most young Black men (and teenaged boys) in the US want to rap, not sing.

[@rucianapollard7098]

R.D., you better preach!!! What you said about church attendance is so true!!! The church choir is where R&B artists learned how to sing!!! These young people aren't going to church anymore, they can't sing anymore!! Guys and girls don't slow dance like we used to!! It's all twerking now, no more slow dancing. And young men and women don't seem to talk about romance, having a crush, falling in love anymore. It's all about hook-ups, one night stands, sex in the back of the club!! Guys think all of the girls are hoes, girls think all of the guys are dogs!! We don't talk about our feelings anymore. R&B is about emotions, love, respect, passion and so much more missing from relationships!! That's why no one wants to get married anymore, it's all about being a baby momma, or a guy having 10 kids by 10 different women!! We don't love each other like we used to RIP R&B

[@yvngxd3xth]

R&B is very nostalgic to me, i remember my mom got me into r&b when I was 6 when she used to blast usher, trey songz, miguel, lloyd, and the weeknd in the car, and I got into frank ocean, brent faiyaz, bryson tiller, and tory lanez during high school, trapsoul and blonde are my favorite r&b albums

[@regularforcesrsa8839]

Brooooooh

[@AT66027]

Well I feel old lol

[@jhalenhanshaw5405]

Eric Bellinger definitely deserves more respect. His catalogue is amazing

[@austins.1102]

How has Chris “struggled to adapt to the change in R&B” when he’s been able to chart atleast one song on the hot 100 since 2005 and has had a top 10 every year since 2018(2 of those songs charted for more than 50+ weeks btw). He also has sold almost 200 million records world wide and tends to have success when it comes to charting with R&B songs. If anything his male peers have struggled to adapt and go on group tours performing their old hits(ex: B2K & Omarion). Now in regards to Breezy doing less successful than his other albums that has a lot more to do with how terribly he promoted it and less to do with him struggling to adapt(he barely did any promo for the album until like the last 2 weeks before it dropped, the entire promo campaign was disorganized, chose a terrible lead single(first single should’ve been “sleep at night”, “warm embrace”, or “call me everyday” not “iffy”, and then acted surprised when it didn’t perform as well as “Indigo” did when the promotion/singles he chose for his last album was leagues better than this one)

[@BangaOfficial]

I literally stopped listening once he said that lol, You can tell he didn’t do no real research. Chris has literally dominated r&b even while being blackballed by the industry.

[@zacmirza6498]

@@BangaOfficial Nothing says blackballed than winning countless awards, having co signs from the industries biggest names, selling out arena tours and having radios play your music. Yeah he's definitely been blackballed

[@missycolson4137]

Sleep at night is my song

[@MINK2393]

@@zacmirza6498 He has been blackballed overall… He’s just been able to fight back and still be a great entertainer

[@ixan3417]

i got the vocals kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqmukKSod7KSkJY

[@colewrld901]

Every genre is dying and it's hip hop's fault. Every decade has a dominate genre of music that affects all genres, and hip hop over the last 15 years has negatively effected the sound of music

[@MrDmoney156]

Hate to say it but i agree 💯 and sometimes i blame people and radio for making that a huge focus over other genres.

[@MikeTallon]

the fact that this video is on a hip hop channel - and rightfully so - just shows how far removed r&b has come

[@rooboatdeer22yu51]

I feel like the longer frank is left alone the more likely we will get Beautiful art , a petal from this mans creative side. maybe we wont but there is plenty of music in the world to listen to rn.

[@SammyOmari254]

personally i always find myself having to listen to the oldschool rnb music cause those who sang did it with lots of conviction and clarity as comapared to what is being sang right now, anyone on their late 20s or 30s & 40s will tell you that they like listening to oldschool hiphop and rnb as compared to what's being released right now

[@UrbanNinja123]

Same here

[@firstlast9846]

*I feel the same with Pop Music* its a genre that’s well and truly soulless… I feel like even The Weeknd (who I love) feels obligated in his albums to throw in the occasional pop song that would appeal to the masses.. Take *After Hours* as an example.. that project is one of my favourites of his - but even then Alone Again, Faith, After Hours, Final Lullaby and Nothing Compared felt like the project he wanted to make.. and Save Your Tears, In your eyes and Blinding Lights were for the radio.

[@theportugueselegend]

Blinding Lights was definitely a song for himself. It's just an intemporal song and one of the greatest recent songs done, so it went viral. But I agree, the first song I've heard from The Weeknd was One of Those Nights and he had a completely different tone from now. It's that "souless" feeling you talk. Unfortunately, Hip Hop is going 11 years on that road and it doesn't show signs of changing

[@firstlast9846]

Joao Albuquerque - I disagree - it was basically there to be another “Can’t feel my face” “Feel it coming” his songs with the 80s influence are for the radio.. but he does it well.

[@tariq6319]

Who cares if it's for the radio as long as the music is good

[@firstlast9846]

Tariq - because it feels like you’re being deprived of an what an album’s meant to be.. or what the creator envisioned… it’s like Post Malone albums - you get a taste for what he COULD BE and what he wants to do - but instead you get 7 tracks of pure filler and throwaways

[@san1883]

I see your point but I also think that sometimes you want to make good sounding music for the sake of good sounding music. As an artist, sometimes I just want to make something visually appealing, without a deep story behind it. A song being soulless isn’t an inherently bad thing, blinding lights is an amazing song regardless. It makes sense for an album to have a mixture of songs with deeper stories and songs that are more lighthearted and more ”shallow”.

[@thablackkat9905]

As an R&B music producer, there is certainly a lot to touch on. Honestly, we just need a system or an outlet strictly for this genre.

[@ingislakur]

Makes zero sense.

[@riseofazrael]

There is no market for a strictly R&B outlet which is why male R&B isn't doing well as it is.

[@sephsantana9477]

Some of the male R&B artists just don’t connect with the fans musically male R&B needs more innovative writers and producers also artist development.To many hip hop producers have to much say in R&B. Male R&B needs more Teddy Riley’s,Dallas Austin’s,Babyface & Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis. Men subject matter in R&B is trash women R&B always going have the advantage cause they can be emotional & vulnerable as women. For some strange men R&B is a whole different vibe to it.

[@thablackkat9905]

@@riseofazrael 💯💯💯

[@ingislakur]

@@riseofazrael Spotify

[@JohnSmith33333]

It’s been dead for some time now. With the exception of Giveon, SZA, & Brent. It’s culturally become a competition of who can act like they care less about love in relationships.

[@Cooljohn760]

R&B isn’t dead. We just don’t hear a lot of R&B music we only hear from certain artists. Everyone wants to be a rapper these days it’s blocking the other music.

[@jordashi]

What annoyed me is when T-Pain spoke on the Chris Brown situation, and was someone that has known Chris for a very long time (and they both we're on the same labels up till maybe 2016,2018). Everyone (mostly CB stans) got pissy mad and called Pain a hater. But the funny thing is he wasn't really lying, Chris Brown has always been a priority at RCA. Even through the Rihanna incident, RCA kept Chris on the radio and pulled all the stops to keep his music profitable. Nobody could actually stop the evolution that R&B was going through, R&B was already evolving by the early 2010's with records like Marvin's Room, 4 AM, Mr. Wrong by Mary J Blige, Thinking about you, and of course most of The Weekend's early albums all connect to what R&B was going to become. But as Trap also became very popular on mainstream radio by 2013, it was evident that both genres would come together. Chris got to benefit from this evolution (whether he wants to admit that or not) by simply adapting to the trends. From his hit record Loyal riding off of the DJ Mustard trend that was big around 2014-2016, to the now "trapsoul" sound that Bryson Tiller is credited on inspiring. All of these different "trends" in R&B led the genre to be in this now slow mellow 808 driven style and Chris has adapted to this trend. But R&B isn't as valuable today as it was 15 or 20 years ago and a lot of R&B acts have had to balance the fine line between being an R&B act, and being an Pop act. It's weird because we live in a genre less culture now, so you have someone like Harry Styles rocking his Bowie, Prince inspired style of music and winning Album Of The Year. You have Bruno who's been jumping from decade to decade in music and I'm sure will arrive in the 2000s sometime soon. And again The Weeknd who's pretty much doing whatever he wants musically and I would not be shocked if he doesn't release a rock album in the near future. The truth of the matter is the R&B market is crowded heavily, and Chris's music though very good and he's always evolving as an artist and adapting to the new trends, his music has become stagnant. His public image does not help either considering how often his name is in some type of "incident", and again adapting to trends. Chris Brown was heralded as baby MJ, he was the first act to actually be able to compete with Usher on the charts and won that battle. All his peers from Omarion, to The Dream, to T-Pain, to Mario etc all have had to watch their careers slowly fade into the background for new stars on the rise, but Chris Brown was the exception. Honestly I just think Chris is finally hitting that point in his career like most artist where the public may be slowly pushing him into the background because they are loosing interest. But he's still a legend among his peers and it should be understood what he has achieved in R&B along side his peers.

[@unknownspeeds]

This

[@mauricegray5007]

This was perfect Chris is a legend

[@michaelfedna6067]

Man stfu u don’t know what tf u talking about he have a song charting top 15 as we speak be fr and sit down

[@milesvstheworld]

WELL SAID. I LOVE YOUR PERSPECTIVE 🤘🏽

[@yingkouzen]

Well said 👍

[@stephonkerr641]

I just hate the term “R&B is dead” when they’re artists making great R&B. CleoSol, Yaya Bey, Lucky Daye, Joyce Wrice, Kelela,Brent Fayiaz, Steve Lacy etc. R&B isn’t dead quality wise it’s very strong and diverse in sound right now. As you said towards the end R&B artists are experimenting not only with sound but also with their vocals.

[@slimnationmusic8416]

R&b too slow… no songs to make you dance ain’t nobody dancing no more no energy at all

[@nameisamine]

‘R&B entertainers’ are what has died. That’s what Chris was talking about at the beginning of the video. There nobody to carry on his and Usher’s form of artistry.

[@VividManify]

I will give them a listen

[@mandem2362]

​@@slimnationmusic8416 bro doesn't know RnB

[@manniking233]

R&B is dead. It got replaced by R&B for nerds.

[@derrickwatsonjr.661]

I think one thing that people don't think about when it comes to this whole rnb is dead conversation is how much we as an audience have trained to prefer a certain type of sound. We have these unrealistic expectation that artists will have the same sound throughout their entire career. Usher will never make an album that sounds like confessions. Alicia keys will never make another record like songs in A minor. They are called artists for a reason. However, due to how the industry has used music and other forms of art for profit, we as an audience tend to engage with art more like a product than as a body of work. We do the same thing with artists as well. We say that if they don't make a record that has the same sound as what made us fall in love with their music, that they fell off or they're trash. I have noticed that seems to especially be an issue in black music. Black artists just like most artists don't want to be put in a box. I can't tell you how many of the most influential artists have said this. If we want R&B music to thrive, and if we say that we don't want to be typecast or or put in a box as a culture, I think we should give the same grace to those that have contributed so much to our culture. If it wasn't for artists like Michael, Prince, and Sade, there would be no Maxwell, D'angelo, or Eykah badu. The same can be said For artists like Miguel, Frank Ocean, the Weeknd, who opened the door for R&B artists to not only have success in the mainstream but also make quality material that aligns with their vision and creativity. Without them, I doubt artists like steve lacy, daniel Cesar, H.E.R., SZA, kehlani, and others would have a lane at all. Just for that, I think we should support them and not put them in the same box that the industry for so long as done to us as a culture.

[@shalackma]

Always got to stop what I'm doing when I see another one from HipHopMadness!! Thank you! Keep bringing the heat!

[@MotebangMokoena]

I believe the likes of Daniel Cezar, Bruno Mars, SIR and Anderson Paak deserved atleast a mention😏. This was abit shallow for my liking.

[@Likhumcy]

Exactly .

[@tiny10110]

The common thing missed in this conversation is that a lot of great artists (who aren’t mentioned here) like Partynextdoor or Dream will stagnate their performance career whil still writing the best music we hear

[@Denizzz.tripleZ]

Just wanna wish HipHop Madness all the best for such a great content ❤

[@hiphopmadness]

Appreciate that 🙏

[@taureanmay7480]

​@@hiphopmadness you are ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤.

[@life.is.shorts]

R&B isn't dead, what consumers would recognize as R&B is now rebranded as "Pop Music"

[@jesusurdiano3235]

Just because it isn't in the spotlight doesn't mean R&B is dead. It is alive and thriving, you just have to dig for it. A few of my favorites: Gallant, Dijon, K. Roosevelt, Lucky Daye, Q, JMSN, Chiiild, Sunni Colon, Kyle Dion, Berhana, Love Mansuy, Omar Apollo, HeyDeon, Elhae, Xavior Omar, Reggie Becton, dvsn, Dende, SiR, Dylan Sinclair

[@stephonkerr641]

So true I think said this a couple days ago R&B has been amazing the last couple years. It’s so diverse each artist has their own style and sound. Just because it isn’t permeating culture which R&B hasn’t probably since the early 2000s doesn’t mean it’s dead when it’s so much quality.

[@Djacedeuce]

The thing is almost a third of the artists you’ve named could be classified as “alternative” artists rather than pure R&B artists.

[@Whoosh12345]

Great list

[@jesusurdiano3235]

@@Djacedeuce I see your point but like all music, R&B has evolved. Some may not sound like pure R&B artist but I think they still carry the essence of what R&B is

[@TheNewgreatlife]

It's definitely alive and there are many artists still making it like you pointed out....but if it's not touching the mainstream, you can't say that it's thriving. The genre has very little relevance at the moment and is struggling.

[@Rosierootoyou]

Chris brown cannot be slept on. He is bigger now than he was before, just cause the media have it out for him & twitter doesn't like him doesnt affect his sales.. Plus the fact he doesn't do interviews or promo and still sells. He had a whole tour sell out in under 3 minutes. 6 of those dates were the o2 at 20k seats, so he sold 120k seats in London alone not including the other cities and parts of Europe he sold out and added extra dates to. CB is versatile, not just does he sing and dance but he gives the visuals showing the artistic side to his creativity in his music videos and shows. Plus has many talents outside of just music alone.

[@ilechukwulotanna3389]

Fact

[@T.H.E.O.R.Y.]

That's not true. Sadly, like real hip hop, much of it's gone underground. Xavier Omar, Sango, Alex Isley, Baby Rose, and so many others just don't get the credit they're due because they're still on the rise and get shine through venues like KZbin. Edit: Honestly, I'd throw in Robert Glasper, who I'm ashamed to say I've just learned about last summer. He's not underground now, but damn it, there's no way I should've learned about him a year ago when he's worked with so many greats on what seems like all his projects.

[@colewrld901]

Which means.....it's dying lol

[@monsieur_beau1917]

Mainstream ain’t looking so good but we’ve been blessed otherwise. Masego just dropped a fire album last week.

[@MarquesTheProducer]

My point. The music is out there. At some point, we have to blame the audience.

[@ntelamomutenda1713]

Brent

[@AskHopes]

What's so crazy about this is labels are buying up more and more promo for R&B and signing more "R&B" artists...something is coming and they are spending lots of money for it

[@TeddyStrongBear]

male R&B artists who sing, dance and like girls are considered soft by the younger generation!

[@jonasgray6408]

Yeah the generation that loves bs like lil uzi and other shitty rap artist. I could care less what they think. They have no taste

[@ThevelvetundergroundnNico]

Dancing is cool and all but i want artist to be an artist not a performer… make your own music and be artistic not someone like Brittney spears where shes a performer not an artist

[@brocklee394]

Male R&B isn’t dead. Dvsn does not get as much recognition as they should and it’s sad. Because they have put their whole foot into lyrics and production in their past albums and if y’all haven’t listened, you’re missing out. Go stream them and then come back to this conversation.

[@TheSnoozeFox]

Hip Hop damaged R&B, you can't be a Black entertanier but also be vunerable /emotional anymore, people call you corny/soft/gay etc, this was never an issue in the 90s.

[@nameisamine]

I don’t think people really how much Hip-Hop/Rap cannibalised R&B/Soul. By the end of the 2010’s R&B was a shell of its former glory.

[@sidearmsalpha]

At work, what gets played the most is toxic, vulgar rap music. That's what most young guys (and women) are listening to. It promotes toxicity in relationships. This is why hook up culture is a thing now where women are sleeping with lots more men than before. Romance is dead. Why sing about romance when there isn't even an audience for it?! I grew up listening to a lot of R&B in the 80s and 90s and still do but today's music is so toxic. I don't think it's going to get better since society is so screwed up. Dating is pretty much dead. Social media and dating sites have only "empowered" women to think they can all have unrealistic expectations for men to be with. Even fat women think they're catches. 😱🤣

[@mtk2fitness208]

Music and art in general is subjective. Being that I'm 38 now, the r&b I grew up on and listened to into my early adulthood will always be the standard to me and I'm sure can be said for those that are in my age bracket. But for the younger audience, that's not the case. Steve lacey and cbreezy (not Chris brown because he changed his style up when he started calling himself that) are the standards for r&b.

[@melvinslaughter7685]

I like Steve Lacy, but his album was just ok..the Single were awesome tho

[@nyakeishajones9564]

Talk about being serious,,.selfish and ignorant about sexuality,,,,just because it’s good to see people being honest and happy

[@drewtube6838]

R&B has been Stronger in 2023 than it has been in a long time... What are we on? Kali Album is Good, the Blaxt EP was tight, Musiq Soulchild x Hit-Boy was good, Daniel Ceasar and 6lack are about to drop. I know I am forgetting a bunch too. R&B in 2023 is better than Hip Hop in 2023.

[@MrDmoney156]

You sure it isn't a mixture of rap in there?

[@stereoheartsrnb]

They are good but forgettable, not great

[@velioskay3924]

Lets not forget : FLO is coming up !!!

[@tobi6750]

True!!!!

[@drewtube6838]

@@MrDmoney156 No, the only one you can kind of say that about is 6lack, and this video covers Chris Brown; you ever hear Look at me Now amung other songs where he is rapping lol. Usher also just dropped a new single last night. R&B is thriving.

[@Musicscoutbm3]

R&B is dead from the perspective of commercial appealing songs. Because popularity comes in so many different ways due to social media. The need to top the charts isn’t necessary for Artist. The love isn’t there in music general. It’s a business more than ever. Because the industry is the internet it’s a content driven business. R&B lost its touch when artist don’t chase the goal to be the best.

[@VersaceVyper]

Agreed. They don't make them like they used to. You had Joe, Marquez Houston, Pretty Ricky, Jagged Edge, Usher, Mario Winams, Kevin Little. Who you got these days? Joe should of been so much more famous and successful than he is, that man is a genius songwriter and storyteller.

[@theportugueselegend]

I agree! But you have a lot of good artists. The message is just wrong, and they get stuck in it

[@MrDmoney156]

Raheem DeVaughn is another good one too that deserves recongition too but like Joe his music don't get played that often sadly even less than joe.

[@VersaceVyper]

@@theportugueselegend Totally agree brother, think the artistry is quite lost nowdays on the contrary, maybe it's us being biased because some of us grew up on it and it clouds our judgment with these new artists?

[@VersaceVyper]

@@MrDmoney156 Its a shame all those artists don't get the recognition they deserve, nowdays you get these random pop DJs that nobody has ever heard that copy their entire songs, put a dance Beat on it and people think it's the song of the year. They did it to baby bash and it just sucked, yet the new generation have never heard the great original songs.

[@theportugueselegend]

@@VersaceVyper I don't think so 🤣 Hip Hop and RnB lost the art and appeal it had in the 90's and early 2000's, and I think producers and writers have a lot of blame in that. You had Mario Winans saying he doesn't want to know that his girl cheats on him because he loves her so much, but now you have guys saying they are cheating their girl with the whole neighborhood and proud of that 🤣🤣🤣

[@o13sweetboy]

What American music is missing is creating music that makes people wanna dance, today its just dead no soul.

[@datboyrains5657]

chris is the only one guy who is still standing look at his followers and monthly listeners

[@Emerald_Forge]

Unfortunate that he's the only one actually finding real success and still finds the urge to beat up a woman in public at least once a year

[@johnwise4341]

I don’t think r&b will be good until originality and a certain level of maturity is brought back. Everybody wants to act selfish and compete with each other over gender. And everybody wants to be weird as well. Artist today could never create the level of depth in their music that 90s and 00s had. They’re too stupid and self absorbed.

[@frostmo1432]

@@Emerald_Forge that is just simply not true that he beats up a woman at least once a year, a lot of the allegations especially ones in recent years were never proven true and instead proven false

[@garlentzjean2457]

@@Emerald_Forge every year those allegations have been proven false 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@Pretty_Mess]

Yes club/party music not quality R&B. He is McDonalds, popular but not good especially when compared to his predecessors.

[@ayoonine]

Nah Frank came up when the industry was the last of the industry. Writing for Beyonce, Brandi, etc and stamped by Hov and Kanye by being on watch the throne. He benefited off the end of the superstar era

[@bless1984]

No one else is going to admit it so I will. Men killed R&B because the romance is gone. All it's about is the club, fucking, ego, anger, getting high, baby mama drama and other negativities

[@ToeStankin]

Both men and women killed it. I dont hear any of these women putting it down like Labelle, Baker, etc. The laziness is on both sides

[@LadyRia91]

"Theres no R&B without The R" He told yall lol

[@meatymateo705]

LMAOOO THEY CENSORED R KELLY’S NAME 💀💀💀

[@mayozay5810]

Lol they are probably gonna get demonitized if they didn’t

[@KhapitaL]

Idgaf who don't like it, that man is the greatest R&B artist of all time...

[@Uncleleonard7]

We failed to mention other R&B artists, Jhené Aiko is fire. I think some of the women are still carrying the genre

[@nellym46664]

I love Jhené but I do feel that she missed on her last project. Apart from a few songs, most just felt like they were made for the radio.

[@Crypto2638]

One thing to point out. Same with Techno and House music. There are great artists but they’re more a niche like Raw Techno. Some artist aren’t looking for make the most money because most of times it isn’t compatible with doing what you love.

[@allenandrews2380]

Ive noticed. This is happening everywhere. In all genres for 1 simple reason....the destruction of the fourth wall. The internet desteoyed the mystique of so many.

[@tvariuness]

your first mistake was starting this video with chris brown who is sooo ignorant of who and what's happening in rnb, he didn't even know who robert glasper was/is. smfh. if that's who you're using as the representative for your argument, you've already lost.

[@T.H.E.O.R.Y.]

Agreed. I had to go back and edit my comment bc Glasper doesn't get the credit he's due, which I say bc I just learned about him last year and pride myself on knowing my stuff about R&B acts.

[@Max-jn7gz]

Who cares 🙄

[@Dee--Jay]

To me, R&B isn't dead. The radio and the industry are pushin a different music which makes some potential R&B singers not even try. I mean look at Chris Brown. One of the greatest singers ever, over the past decade... Even he isn't even doing R&B. Its leaning more "Pop" ish kinda music or a blend between rap, r&b. But the Chris we known of the first half of his career, its gone!

[@ToeStankin]

I found that you gotta look beyond the mainstream to find quality artists

[@KyleVolt]

R&B has been going crazy for the last 9 months Sir, Rini, Jvck James, Jozzy, Daniel Caesar, Q, Kyle Lux, DVSN. I didn’t even name the heavy hitters!!!! People never shine light on the new artist…

[@cozzyono]

They don’t shine light then complain how it’s dead. It makes no sense. People rely on being spoon fed art but everything so accessible now that there is no excuse to not find what you want to listen to.

[@Kevinschart]

Yeah he's also forgetting that a lot of acts lost momentum during covid. tours are just now getting back in full swing within the last few months

[@MelloDeeBeats]

Great video.

[@nameisamine]

Where have the larger-than-life r&b entertainers gone?! Chris Brown is 33, Usher 44, Justin Timberlake 42, Bieber is 29, as an R&B leaning Pop artist but he’s never been much of an entertainer, he has two left feet! Micheal’s gone. 🕊️ Where are the young, hungry confident & charismatic male entertainers who can sing and dance? Even if we count Jason Derulo, 33 and Bruno Mars, 37. Where’s the next generation?😟 Today’s new r&b stars lack polish and showmanship. It’s arguable whether to even call them ‘stars’ since they keep such a low profile. There must be some gen-Z males inspired by MJ, Usher or Chris that want to entertain? Where are they? 😐

[@AXFN_]

Where are all the r&b party records? Where are the r&b club bangers? Everything’s just a low-key vibe now…

[@tevincollins2869]

Bieber is pop bro

[@nameisamine]

@@tevincollins2869 I did actually say bieber was a pop artist who releases R&B cuts sometimes as does Ariana Grande on the female side.

[@jaimerodriguez1550]

Rnb requires singing and vulnerability. Not many can do that well today, and society is not very accepting of it. Plus everyone is ready for the next song, why sing when you can rap.

[@friedrichnietzsche2557]

This biggest problem with RnB is the association with hip hop and Pop music. Genre must keep away from rap or hip hop and keep the way he is. Damm i miss the 90s and 2000s RnB

[@bempodre2140]

is it normal that, since I watched this video 2 months ago, ive been addicted to R&B, a genre that, before, I couldnt really distinguish from Pop/Hip Hop. Really appreciated how this video opened my vision on music and musis genres

[@djchekoblaster]

Like everything else, it begins to blend and morph into something new, sharing roots from R&B’s vocals and 808’s, this music has branched out its own way. It’s koo how Brent ain’t making it a mission to stay relevant and be categorized, at the end of the day, nostalgic sounds will be unique to its time. Not a bad thing in my opinion.

[@manager4409]

Neo "Closer" is my fav all time. Kinda dark and melancholy with the guitar and he's talking about the woman he can't quit. Such a beautiful song.

[@bmbpets4861]

Ella Mai is my favorite R&B artist right now. If you don’t know much of her music and like R&B, go check her out

[@suchafknladyyy]

I just can't get past her attitude 😫😩

[@kaykay_2]

R&B isn’t dead at all, the problem is that the majority only want what’s popular instead of what the actually like. Many popular albums have real slow jams but most underground artists have the REAL R&B music.

[@quiquemejiatejeda5254]

Whoever say that R&B is dead has no clue bout music, cause rnb just as hip hop, alternative rock, trap and every other music genre of course will not sound exactly the same as it sounded 20 years ago, music and music genres evolve and will keep evolving

[@dominicpastorelle6967]

Alternative r&b from artists like Dijon is that incredible - this style is still very much alive

[@demijo2227]

As a black woman in her 40s, let me tell you what happened... They all cheated or abused women! We don't believe in thier music anymore and we are the ones who need to be impressed. Now, that was definitely a broad stroke that needs to be dissected, but does sums it up. Rnb died when social media opened the door for "options". Rnb can only survive by my age group of women. We are exhausted by being lied to by our men and won't pursue or purchase the music.

[@saintkevinofficial]

Damn, tell us how you really feel...😔

[@jfraz1992]

& the reason why r&b is done is everybody started leaning towards rap blurring it with autotune & nobody is talking about love anymore, everything has turned into drill or trap, there’s no more originality anymore

[@hweheheh]

Love songs are still the absolute most popular topic in music, stop talking out of your ass.

[@stickman1373]

I was just telling my dad about this literally the other day... Hip Hop rules the world now I personally miss r@b and good music.

[@MrDmoney156]

And it's what lead to people like 6ix9ine and lil pump, tayjay, etc.. corny dudes easily getting into the business cuz people eats up all that dogshit music.

[@taureanmay7480]

Nice 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅.

[@jrob4795]

Hip hop doesn't exist anymore.

[@cozzyono]

@@jrob4795 So what exist now?

[@ben.lebron]

Maybe if the most popular and successful male R&B singers weren’t also notorious for abusing and assaulting people the genre might stand a better chance. R Kelly, Chris Brown, Trey Songz, Tory Lanez, Michael Jackson the list goes on

[@cookingwitchefzayy8830]

We need that frank album though 🗣🗣 it's some great underground R&B music but male R&B needs to get to talking about love and some slow songs no more rapping and doing girls dirty

[@minfamous5841]

Breezy was a CLASSIC. Loved that album

[@seanthornton726]

R&B lost it soul. Once about a time R&B was so powerful it conceived a generation. It was called baby making music. At the shows Girls were fainting, crying and throwing their panties on stage. You was on some real playa shit pulling up on a girl bumping some Luther Vandross or Silk in the ride.

[@L0veCami]

Great music comes with time. Genres come and go. Let’s be thankful for what we have 🙏🏼. Luckily music has no time.

[@allcap504]

Chris Brown will have the greatest Greatest Hits album ever. "Don't believe me, just watch" Shout to Trinidad James

[@MichelleNgome]

Great video. I would have like to hear your take on Trey Songz. But other notable artists worth mentioning is Sir, 6lack, maybe DVSN.

[@yvngxd3xth]

They've already done a video on trey songz kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJfKkJiZrrajmJY&feature=share

[@G_____]

Just because something isn’t mainstream anymore doesn’t mean it’s dead.

[@geezjunior]

Joji, Brent,sonder, lucky daye, H.E.R, WS Boogie, giveon, mahlia, toosi R&B ain’t dead & won’t die it’s hidden in a hiatus

[@joineejones4935]

No one separate the artist from the art anymore. If you’re not a good person, no one wants to hear it. We had Rkelly for years and we don’t want another. So even the slightest grievance.. it’s a wrap

[@matthewmontes9036]

R&B is just so infused into other genres like pop and rap and alternative music that it's hard to find pure R&B, Does not necessarily mean its a bad thing.

[@RRDB92]

conventional r&b may not be popular today like before. but r&b as a whole genre is not dead. the music we hear now.. ppl call it trap soul or alternative r&b. just like back in rhe 90s alternative rock & depressing rock music took over from regular rock & metal music. its abt rhe same thing here. its like r&b is going in the alternative direction. mixing r&b soul with electronica, ambient music & even smooth jazz like ella mai. &:most of the lyrics today are abt drugs & toxic relationships and depression just like the lyrics of most alternative rock & grunge songs back then.

[@TrillFiger713]

So Anderson Paak, Cleo Sol, bLAck pARty, Sir, & Snoh Aalegra and many other current artist alike don’t exist? Ight… 🤦🏾‍♂️ Y’all add more to the list cuz it’s a whole lot of dope traditional R&B artist out right now doing they thing 💯

[@eanrobertson3689]

This creator listens at the top 50 charts too much it seems

[@jcdx87]

@@eanrobertson3689 None of them are on the same level as the female R&B singers he named.

[@manniking233]

All of whom are alt R&B scum.

[@rellyrelishes]

Can't mention modern r&b without mentioning SiR. He's been making lovely laid back r&b for several years now

[@A92CB7]

I'm surprised y'all didn't bring up Trey Songs, Mario or Lloyd, they was 🔥 in the days they were making songs and doing features

[@ZeLuJ]

I don’t think so. As an artist myself I’m determined to bring it back.

[@trevorryder9732]

Frank Ocean is unlike any of those others there. But yea, the problem is - he doesn’t want that level of fame and doesn’t want to just drop music of feature on other peoples songs unless he really feels it. Still his music is timeless like Micheal Jackson

[@Jayjay28285]

Great video. I honestly had all of these thoughts for years. Glad to hear and read other RnB fans perspectives.

[@user-xv3fg3ii2k]

Frank, Miguel, Party were a whole mood for me 10 years ago. The Weeknd continued being interesting for me, but for the others I go back to the old stuff, mostly for nostalgia

[@stereoheartsrnb]

It's wild that was 10 years ago. It seemed so exciting and futuristic at the time, and still is. It's crazy that nobody built and expanded on their waves they were starting.

[@user-xv3fg3ii2k]

@@stereoheartsrnb Completely agree. I didn't grow up listening to R&B outside of what was on the radio, so to me these sounds were exceptionally fresh, and I'd say they have aged really well for me

[@endrykperez412]

The weekend is pop not RnB 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@advanced8998]

The Weeknd is not making R&B lmao...y'all be just saying anything on here

[@advanced8998]

@@endrykperez412 he's so dumb lmao

[@brandonkeys4349]

It’s really not that complicated. The 70’s R and B sound (Temptations, Isley Brothers, Earth Wind and Fire) was killed by 80’s R and B sound (Rick James, Prince, M.Jackson) which was killed by the 90’s r and b sound (R Kelly, Usher, 112) which was killed by the 2000 R and B sound (The Dream, T-Pain, C,Bown). If anything the biggest difference between the past and present is for the first time in history the genre is mostly female lead and that’s not a bad thing just something to get use to.Also in the past male toxicity and bravado was high af so alot if dudes liked R and B to tamp down the overwhelming amount of violent tough guy music that dominate the charts. Now let’s be real rap is sensitive af so that need for something softer ain’t quite there 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@ScottThePisces]

Listen to Hip Hop / RnB productions now compared to the 2000s, its mostly the same simplified formulas. There's no unique productions on radio like a Keri Hilson - Knock You Down, or a Kelis - Caught Out There. It's the same repeated 808 beats, drums and chords.

[@androyd87tv]

Basically the plan to divid black women and men worked. We are coming to a generation where trust is void and everybody for themselves. That means nobody wants to hear nothing about love and sticking together. They wanna hear f**k that ni**a and f**k that b*tch. Rap has taken over the slow melodies. We are now entering the land of the lost. It’s gone get to a point when you have to include a categories on is this song about a woman or trans. It’s getting to be to much. I’m glad I was able to witness a some what normal state of music. This new stuff wild.