RUST: Breaking The Meta - House In A Box

[@EvilWurst]

You're making a very good point. If determined enough, Zerg's will overcome most designs. The best approach is to own a base -- or better several bases -- not looking interesting to them while being too difficult for casual groups to raid. Also, the Mega Aggravator was still worth it :D

[@Malonik]

Omg the mega aggravator was 100% definitely worth it! That was one of the craziest raids I've ever been a part of! Lol

[@chileonid]

Wooden honey comb with wooden barricades and other crap you find in boxes on the top, no one wants to raid that.

[@Malonik]

@@chileonid I like it, hiding in plain sight.

[@kaplislemesis4789]

I do have a design that uses this very thinking. Make 6 bases into one, not using TC stack as I dont use mechanics that are considered bugs and will eventually be fixed. Make 6 bases into one base that each cost 20 rockets to get to. De-moralizing your enemy with empty base after empty base is very effective :D Solo player can just make the single version that can be ur starter. Single version is 15 rockets or 1 HQM wall. or 5 garage doors either side. or x2 sheet roof if you will. Totally achievable on medium pop server for even mediocre skill player

[@Malonik]

@@kaplislemesis4789 My 3x3 from hell base build works with that same principal. Just a block of 18 or more totally identical rooms that are completely interchangeable. People have no idea what is where and they waste so many booms on dumb stuff like an rp room with a fireplace and some chairs lol.

[@Jesse0Lucas]

The big take-away of this video is "small groups won't raid anything 30+ rockets" and "if zergs want you dead, no amount of defense is gonna stop them"

[@Malonik]

Yeah pretty much. If people can really drill that into their heads then they can chill with the base builds lol.

[@eiendiaies]

Agree.... we 3 guys built mega base on iceberg. 14 guys spent 17 hours on raid. The thing was we had base in 7 parts and they slowly took 1 by 1. It was really big iceberg base with 30 windmills and turrets

[@matt_planet9498]

small groups can definitely raid anything under 70. There is no point making zergs waste less explosives, may as well make them waste as much as possible to inconvenience them.

[@askeschandorff3266]

@@matt_planet9498 It's made for vanilla

[@matt_planet9498]

@@askeschandorff3266 And?

[@linoo9404]

"if someone wants to raid you, it is only a matter of how much they want to raid you"

[@Malonik]

Yep. If they want in. They're likely coming in lol.

[@CarcorNZ]

This is a sad truth, but our group saw it as a challenge. My friend has a knack for building tough bases. We were a 10, and a rival 12 zerg *really* hated us. They waited until there was only 2 of us online, brought 120 rockets and 10 members. They managed to blow all the way to one small box that had some hazmats in it before running out of boom and losing their m2s on the way out. Was fun :)

[@poppinsmoke8769]

@@CarcorNZ facts bro! I play rust console lmao and I got raided by 8 full metals, ak’s bolties everything. They were barraging my base, i killed half of them and sealed the external then sealed the base and killed them as they ran away lmao

[@frsketchy]

everyone talkin bout how early they are but this vid is game changing

[@Malonik]

Thanks. :)

[@id3ntyd613]

Look I like his attitude but how is this game changing? :D I kind of thought of something really differen and although thats an uncommon design, in the end it is a 2x2 with honeycomb...

[@Malonik]

@@id3ntyd613 It's not about the base design, it's about the mindset and approach to rust. Changing that drastically changed the rust experience.

[@spartonioxD]

@Oliver no, what hes saying, is that not every single decision should be thought about making a base insanely secure, just focus on playing the game itself, have fun, and make it just easy to use. the amount of time people spend to get a super secure base, will mean nothing if someone truly wants toraid you. following what Malonik said, if you find the right point between having a secure base that small groups cant raid, but small enough to not make a zerg have an appeal to raiding it. In general, having a base thats just fun to use, and actually getting out of base to pvp and enjoy the game is what probably best, rather than worrying about being unraidable, and overthinking the base build. I have had so many wipes with the same base build, but when i realised not long ago to just go wild and make things different and mix it up occasionally, all of a sudden the game becomes totally different in the base aspect, and allows you to do so many different things. it really keeps the game more interesting, and allows you to be creative, which i can confirm from personal experience is way more enjoyable than using the same base design / having one thats not convenient, as defence is a priority. as stated, if someone wants to raid you enough... then they will... focus on being creative and different. Meta doesnt = the best option...

[@Plormp]

@@spartonioxD I’ve always played rust like this, and it’s definitely more fun. I have games I sweat on and rust definitely isn’t one of them leading to “roleplayer bases” but I definitely have more fun this way😂

[@squeeeb]

"Don't be afraid to do something different, and move away from the meta" I love this line. I need to remember this. Great content as always; music is very relaxing.

[@Malonik]

Thanks! :)

[@nikitory107]

yeah i loved this line too its mind changing thank you @Malonik

[@kras_mazov]

This is how Rust devs imagine base building.

[@Malonik]

Yeah I would love to get a 1 on 1 interview with helk to discuss what they originally envisioned for the game compared to how they feel about what they've actually done to humanity lol.

[@meeksmonsterminis3143]

@@Malonik i remember an article when this game was in early access. Said something like the the Devs considered the game BEAT when a server made a complete working city. With stone farmers. Food Farmers. House builders. LandLords the whole thing. Im PRETTY sure they let go of that fantasy pretty fast. They wanted a working Government lol.

[@Malonik]

@@meeksmonsterminis3143 Roflmao yeah surely at some point they realized that the thing they'd created was a monster lol. There's no room for a civilized society in rust!

[@IonutzGamesMc]

i doubt that...it wouldn't be so easy to raid people if this is what they imagined. They could have made bases a lot stronger but harder to expand, so you could be safe from most players with little effort while zergs would still nolife and take down your base in an instant. But instead we got a game that reminds me of old rts with extra steps...the normal players are just doing their thing and out of nowhere, 2min(or 1h in rust) into the game you get zerg rushed (or zerg raided in rust...)

[@Subreon]

@@Malonik Actually... Thinking about that. It could be possible when they finally finish making the game. They said that when they get the game to the a point they consider to be "finished" they'll stop wiping servers. They're already transitioning to that by not erasing blueprints on official servers. If people don't have to worry about huge intricate buildings being wiped, then they'll build bigger and bigger stuff, but stuff that would require large amounts of people working together to upkeep. Along with the addition of many specialized paths to create stuff, like someone who makes weapons, armor, vehicles, and farms, a full blown city/civilization could be made. Along with a government started by the person who builds the initial foundation for the city. Recruiting people to be the city's guards, possibly with full time heli patrols scanning the outskirts, hiring people for various tasks for upkeep, and even having a treasury to pay the players who spend all their time farming for the city's different resources. The city's founder could be the scrap farmer, who pays the residents for their contributions. Personally I'd be the town's mechanic with a huge garage to buy fix and sell vehicles. OMG this is beautiful. Some things would have to be added to make this more likely though. Like some kind of city TC that's indestructible and covers a massive area. Only the founder would have access to it to pull resources in or out, which maintain the basic structure of the city, such as the roads and civic buildings. Plots of land could also be marked out for how much building space a person is allowed to build on, and to claim a plot, the founder has to give them a resident TC which can be placed within the boundary of the communal TC. Only the resident, their friends/team and the city founder would have access to that TC. The resident TC wouldn't have an upkeep cost, it's only to mark that plot of land as theirs. Depending on the amount of unique residents who own plots of land in the city, the communal TC can be upgraded to cover an even bigger territory, along with granting bonuses such as building stability is much stronger so skyscrapers can be built, and more vehicles can be marked as city defense vehicles, of which now have higher armor and fuel efficiency. Along with the founder having the ability to place more and stronger city defense turrets, like the outpost has. Important to note that residents can build their building as high as they want and as wide as they want (if they buy plots of land next to each other) and the communal TC's upkeep cost only increases at a flat rate per claimed plot, however the resident of that plot will have to pay a higher tax with a bigger building. None of these rates or costs are preset though, so cities will have to compete with each other on prices to hold more residents and sell more goods on an everlasting bidding war. which may lead to weapon wars against each other with actual city residents hired as military members to defend their country, i mean city. This could make Rust the most amazing game ever tbh. @Malonik please make a video on my idea and get it some traction. Add your own ideas to it too if you want. I'm personally not too sure on how the upkeep costs and taxes and such should work, but I like the base of my idea. a big city TC with little resident TC's to claim plots of land created by the founder, and upgrading the city TC with more residents and gaining better city defense tools and bonuses. Imagine city territories built up and out bigger than monument territories. the potential of it all...

[@darkfangulas]

If you don’t have a base, you can’t get raided. But nah just have a 2x1 with half made honey comb and open parts of the roofs so it looks raided and hopefully no one bothers 😂

[@Malonik]

Just gotta be careful not to draw too much attention to it lol.

[@alexmcaniff6446]

There was someone who did this. Now it actually is decaying... lol

[@Malonik]

@@alexmcaniff6446 Roflmao damn.

[@RealEllenDeGeneres]

The problem is that you'll be constantly leaving and entering, so if someone notices the activity, they're going to realize you're a smart player and be more enticed to take the easier raid.

[@Wally-rr3zt]

Mal I’m so happy to see your success and your channel grow! I still remember you at 250 subs when I was still into rust - I’m not playing it at the moment but as you say I will probably come back. I hope you continue to grow and keep pumping out this great content much love man

[@Malonik]

Aww thanks man!! :)

[@jaredstewmelt]

Looove your reasoning AND just how modular this concept really is. Thanks for the perspective!

[@Malonik]

No worries! Glad you liked it! :)

[@ghijkl94]

What an amazing video, it's a shame it only got to see it now. Would've deffinetly changed a lot for me if I saw it when it came out

[@Claythargic]

This base is still a beauty, and I love that WAAAAAAAAAAY back in March you could still grow crops at the bottom of the ocean.

[@Malonik]

Yeah how times have changed lol.

[@20awg67]

You can easily use this design as a solo, just make sure you expand when you are confident with your resource flow. Jackhammers in snow and large furnaces make easy work of upkeep.

[@TonyGosu]

this video is a ruse to get noobs to build shitty base designs so that you can raid them easier

[@Malonik]

Roflmao I mean if that was my intention it's pretty genius... :P

[@TonyGosu]

@@Malonik I'm on to you

[@Malonik]

@@TonyGosu Now you've got me thinking of evil stuff I could do... like teach people a circuit for something but make it overly complex so they don't realize I've wired it so there's a secret way to get into their base Roflmao.

[@TonyGosu]

​@@Malonik you bastard!

[@veemie8148]

@@Malonik "now it's very important that all of your doors are hooked up to open with this specific transmitter code"

[@Arthur_CNW]

I've long toyed with the idea of a base within a base, but never got around to testing it out. This is kind of similar :)

[@Malonik]

Should give it a go, what's the worst that happens? You get raided which will probably happen anyway? Lol

[@soul_headshot]

Bro I have been preaching something for so long now it’s unbelievable. There is no point to build a HUGE/expensive base. I (5.9k hours) and my groups (4k-10k hours each) have decided that even thought we get loads of loot each and every wipe, the most IDEAL way to play rust is having a main base which is generally my own custom design or a majorly honeycombed 2x2 expansion from the original wipe base, along with SEVERAL 2x1’s across the map ranging at different monuments. Each 2x1 has a specific layout: wooden door KEY lock on the front door, along with an armored door on the inside, plus garage door if necessary. We generally get enough scrap to put down a tier 2 in every single base along with a box of guns/supplies so we can easily snowball if our main gets offline raided. We spent weeks after weeks staying up til 7, 8, hell 9am sometimes to prevent our salty neighbors/clans from raiding all their loot back from us. We’ve even spent a few wipes legitimately building a whole new main base in a different location at 9 or 10am (after staying up all night) just to prevent the offline that we know is coming. But here’s the thing, we realized that even if our main base gets raided and we lose a portion of our loot, we will always have more bases, we will always have more loot, and when we do get offline raided that just gives us all the more reason to get back on with vengeance. Since we started practicing this strategy we have yet to have a single wipe where more than 1 of our several bases have been offline raided. This is why I think the rust mets is having multiple bases. As long as you have a main base you can defend an online raid from, and side bases you can store loot, you’ll always find a way to work you back up. Good on ya for the vid! Cheers!

[@Malonik]

Loot splitting is by far the best way to go. My team and I always start getting lazy and then all of a sudden we're only really using one base and it's stacked with loot lol.

[@happychappie8601]

I built this layout today, super excited to see how the wipe holds up.

[@Malonik]

Nice! Let me know how it goes!! Also how nice is it being able to chill and see what's happening on your area safely lol.

[@happychappie8601]

Its quite incredible! one guy came past and said he watched a video on this base. he was quite surprised that we both watched your vid. Long story short, We joined together for the duo and I made a new friend.

[@aa-ld5zk]

Can you give an update?

[@happychappie8601]

I built this base on a x3 server. And wipes were a week long. So basically at day 4 everyone had c4 and rockets. I had 1 failed offline raid and defended 1 online raid. Thanks to the great 360° viewing deck. After the online defense that I won, the same clan was quite salty and decided to offline me at the most obsurd hours of the morning going through the honeycombing and not through doors. Also adding that you should add a airlock to all external entrances as I had 2 incedentces where by people got into my viewing area and was only about 3 doors to main loot. All in all this base is way too strong for a solo-trio group to try raid you. But after day 4 you may want to add a couple turrets and upgrade the Centre core to high quality metal and honeycombing of the core to sheet metal.

[@rat341]

@@happychappie8601 lmao imagine failing offline raid AHHAHAHAHAAHAHA NOOB

[@pwnrzero]

Going to build this on wipeday this Thur. Also subbed man. I'm surprised you're not at 1 mill subs considering the amazing quality of your videos.

[@Malonik]

Definitely let me know how it goes! Also aww thanks for the kind words! :)

[@Nickkelz]

Good points, I've noticed the same things. It's good to understand there are two types of raids, profit raids and revenge raids. Best defense against profit raids is to have your base look poor and hence not profitable. If it looks "too meta" it can gain attraction. A non-2x2/3x3 base with stone honeycomb is very unappealing. If you are expecting a revenge raid after, for example, winning fights against a group, you will get raided no matter the cost. Here it is best to mitigate your losses and hide loot in external bases and TCs.

[@jonomoth2581]

RP rooms and traps can help dissuade ongoing profit raids

[@ftniceberg874]

I don't play rust. But you, Evil Wurst, and My Gaming Experience do such a good job at base building and thinking outside the box I just enjoy watching your building vids. Subbed and can't wait to see more clever builds.

[@Malonik]

Aww thanks! :)

[@Virginiareaper]

Since i started playing moose main in larger groups, using fantastic small bases like this are sadly not an option. And frankly, i miss those type of bases. Its either a 5x5 or some bullshit bunker dropdown loot room cancer. Seeing this is refreshing.

[@Malonik]

It's always bunkers and drop downs... shit gets boring lol.

[@Virginiareaper]

Malonik for me, it's mainly just fucking 5x5s man. gets so boring after a while.

[@Name-bb8wo]

Omg man this intro before the build is just hit the feeling The video cant be better than this keep going im sure one day you gonna hit that 100k subs if you kept this high quilty content 👍💯

[@loka86875]

Agree

[@Malonik]

Aww thanks! Honestly I love making content for you guys. It would be a dream come true and probably my greatest achievement if I can get the 100k some day. Hell when I started the channel I was doubtful I'd get 100 subs lol.

[@Dvinven]

I just like gardening, kayaking, fishing, hunting, etc. I have a small shop with a bbq outside with free food in it, smelters, repair bench, etc for people to use. I kind of became a one stop shop.

[@Malonik]

Rust needs more players like you. Good job! :)

[@TheLolare]

Omg im looking back to this moment and just changed my way to play Rust for a long time 😁 lovely menory hope ur doing fine mell 😁

[@Unh34ler]

Very valid points. But i always get offlined, so no bunker base or base like this will survive. Sick design tho, looks pretty nice, we are gonna give it a try this wipw

[@Malonik]

Yeah that's pretty much unavoidable unless you play a modded server that has offline raid protection but meh it's part of the game. I just make sure they have to work for it if they want my stuff lol. It's a fun base to work out of even just for something different for a wipe or two. :)

[@ryanfreshman2327]

Circling Back.. We did an update to this build this wipe and built 2 house in a box stack on top of eachother... with Ladder hatch in the second you have a very secure mostly hidden loot room that worked very well when a raid occurred! Never got the good stuff. The build was a little over 5 stories tall. EPIC

[@Twig2250]

As some one who went from a naked to having a base with a Sam and a turrets and 42 rockets for a raid solo within 2 days irl I realized I need to do something else with my time

[@Malonik]

Roflmao that is a productive couple of days...

[@theangrybirdgodofthebadlan2583]

Great vid, mate.

[@Malonik]

Thanks! :)

[@piercemorgan9711]

Raided a clan that that used a quadruple bunker base design with everything armoured on a vanilla server. As a zerg it didn't do much when we had 6 sulphur farmers

[@Malonik]

Yep. That's exactly my point. If you come up against a zerg you've already lost. I've only been a part of one for one wipe to help out another content creator but god damn was it a shocking eye opener. Things get done soooooo fast and you end up with full kits and booms everywhere. By the end it didn't even matter if we were profiting or not because we had so much stockpiled lol.

[@jumppy8442]

This vid made me smile you seem like a cool dude

[@wtfbrb]

I do this base design with a stability bunker entryway with shotgun traps and autoturret overhead in the core. Love it. Thanks, Mal.

[@Mrmomm]

You are under heckin rated Broham. Well done and thanks =)

[@Malonik]

Aww thanks! :)

[@bullgarin6674]

nice little concept i will be sure to add some of it's flavour to my 2x1 30 rocket design :D

[@Malonik]

Thanks! :)

[@bradygalati8394]

Awesome commentary man.

[@Malonik]

Thanks! :)

[@actualrat3768]

This one impressed me, you earned the sub

[@Malonik]

Thanks! :)

[@JeffBourke]

Those low walls are awesome idea!!!

[@arghbeee579]

Nice one bro. I have been trying other servers but can’t seem to find many with the pop of rustralasia fortnightly. It’s annoying because their server is still broken as much as I can tell ): keep up the great work brother

[@Malonik]

Omg ArghBeee!!!!! I remember you from the Rustralasia discord lol. They aren't broken, they're just showing up in community rather than official atm. Raz is sorting it out to get back in official.

[@GrandpaRust]

Already subscribed, the content like this makes me keep coming back. Thank

[@Malonik]

Aww thanks! :)

[@Hellstrum]

9:50 Nice vid man.

[@Malonik]

Thanks! :)

[@KyleTrades2]

Very good point

[@Malonik]

Thanks! :)

[@Chaosknightz]

One of my favorite base concepts.

[@Malonik]

Thanks! :)

[@klenzgaming]

the lesson of rust is and will always be; only time matters.

[@Malonik]

Yeah that's fair.

[@bmob6124]

Something i like to do is use the initial honeycomb off the 2by2 to place a tier 2 and furnaces or even shops for storage and more room in the core of the 2by2. it also spreads out the loot and is a good use of space

[@Malonik]

Are you doing the low wall half wall trick to secure the inside walls?

[@ChristopherSloane]

The last base I built on a 5X took 60 rockets and 30 C-4 and inknown amount of HE ammo for three players to get to the TC in 50 minutes. The base was not complete and was 40% stone. The funny thing is there was nothing really worth while in the base beyond what most groups could get in sourcing for 4 to 6 hours. I had 2 rockets in the base. The trick... Triangles, half walls, lots of spaced floor, non symmetrical design, spacing in the base, securing every room.

[@smatchimo55]

is it sad that the thing i love about the most, other than being able to create from square one with no BP, is the potential for RP as well lol

[@Malonik]

Eh tbh so long as you're enjoying what you're doing who cares? I mean the whole point of video games is to have fun and you decide what is or isn't fun for you.... I've never really understood the rp hate.. never particularly been one or anything... but I don't have any issues with people who are... that's dumb lol.

[@jeromegluhstrumpf3119]

totally not sad, i am pretty sure 92,9% of rust players arent sadistic murderers in real life...soooo they are just roleplaying (with little fantasie) themself...like in every other (computer) game. i mean the essence of PLAYING a game where you play another charakter then yourself, is infact roleplay

[@coolbeans7349]

im around the 5k hour mark pvp got old, im now a roleplayer, will build gardens on my rooftop, have a stable, garage, ya know roleplay things, its really fun

[@Malonik]

It totally is right lol. Plus if someone tries to fuck with you thinking you're an RP'er you just own em lol.

[@JarOfTruth]

Fire vid keep it up!

[@Malonik]

Thanks! :)

[@DugganWorks2001]

The main purpose of having beefy bases is to defend against online raids. Offline there is nothing you can do to stop raiders but online the longer it takes for the enemy to reach your core, the more chances you have to successfully defend the base.

[@Malonik]

I honestly can't remember the last time I was onlined...

[@playknightboy]

I dont even play Rust, and this is interesting as hell Love your commentary =3

[@Malonik]

Aww thanks! :)

[@colinpearson7584]

I usually build in a sunken rocky area having everything underground with just the "roof" visable, throw down a couple boxes a few walls in jank locations and a visible TC behind a window and everything underground in a suicide style bunker, that way it looks already raided/decaying... never had anyone touch the box's or the TC

[@Malonik]

Totally valid method. If you can convince people it's a waste of time and resources then you win. Until you get that one person who does it anyway just incase lol.

[@colinpearson7584]

@@Malonik aye it's a risk but what looks more enticing a roof "floor" with some walls and empty boxes around or that honey combed 2x2 next door :-P I also even go as far as to damage some of the walls/floors

[@devint9283]

Literally only a minute in but I subbed cause of the way you tell the story is nice and refreshing. Good job man!

[@Malonik]

Aww thanks! :)

[@shame103]

I'm soooooo trying this one. Thanks

[@Malonik]

No worries! :)

[@BaBaBaBlazin]

very awesome

[@Malonik]

Thanks! :)

[@jebesinsane9986]

great base cheap to thank you ! i keep building bases as a solo with 100 hqm 6000 metal and 12000 stone on average just as a solo but i never get raided as well i will have to look into building this one :)

[@Malonik]

Definitely give it a go, could save you some time on the farming. :)

[@jebesinsane9986]

@@Malonik most def man will keep you updated going to try it next wipe love the vids been keeping up for about over a year now :) Thank you

[@Malonik]

@@jebesinsane9986 That is awesome to hear! Thank you! :)

[@jjpp6420]

malonik: Average rust player can't raid with 30 rockets. Me: Solo farming with horse, pure ore tea, saddle bags and jackhammer, Farming 60 rockets per hour.

[@nifLefty]

I am an avarge rust player and i can tell you i would never pull and 30rocket raid... i will a pull a 15c4 raid tho ;^)

[@Malonik]

Should go rockets they're way more fun. :P

[@zzz-zz8ry]

thanks for the rust life story

[@thec7889]

what you are saying is to some extent true on weekly. the reason isnt raid cost thougth, its counterers, only clans that feel confident taking on counterers will raid bases that take so long to raid that people get time to counter

[@Malonik]

True I hadn't thought of that but it definitely makes sense.

[@slameron.]

Another good idea is making your base look raided after day one of the wipe and hiding loot in like a bunker and no one would ever raid you

[@Malonik]

Some of the long timers on rust would be checking your walls and foundations with a hammer to see if you've bunkered. You'd have to find the perfect spot with the perfect dip in the ground and even then some would still check.

[@Good_Mental]

Like the design and philosophy, though I am utterly confused on how you get the conditional model of the roof to look like that

[@DonaldRump.]

This is a older version of rust before hdrp and all those updates

[@matth23e2]

once you get past 25-30 rockets or so you're pretty much not gonna be raided by anyone but zergs unless you make someone really mad. zergs are fine raiding big bases cause they have farmers who are willing to farm 4-8 hours a day just cause they enjoy doing it, if they wanna raid you they will. for me as a solo 24-ish rockets in a small base has always been the sweet spot. usually the bigger the base the more zergs want to raid it, if it's just a simple 2x1 bunker with 1 layer of honeycomb then it's powerful enough to stop small groups from raiding me, but still insignificant enough to make zergs not wanna just randomly target me. also usually as i raid people around me if their base is something cheap to upkeep like a stone 2x2 then just keep it up and leave whatever prim gear and stuff that you don't need inside of it, if you ever get raided at your main base you instantly have another base to fall back on. you can also use it as a respawn point or if you're getting followed after winning a big fight you can go back to one of the bases you raided. if you feel like your main is gonna be raided you can split some loot up, as well.

[@Malonik]

All solid advice. Keeping the bases alive also discourages new people from building in the area because it will keep it looking busy.

[@taintedtango2737]

Rustopia official player here, I've been playing for over 2500 hours - My bases are often spindly wizard towers perched on top of rocks/mountains, With no care or concern for meta and rather one for fun. They often come out looking super trashy, Covered in signs with weird compounds (Making fields of spikes is always fun) My take away from playing like this for as long as I have? I almost NEVER get raided, People don't bother... They assume you're not worth it/Profit or they don't know your design as it follows none of the regular logic.

[@OldManPaxusYT]

Exactly right about building tough! Also what Evil Wurst said! This is my conclusion after over 9000 hrs too.. My solo/duo/trio(most often) strategy is just to build multiple tiny bases 😉 (I've made a 2 part video about the many tactics to survive throughout a wipe) - GREAT vid Malonik! 👍 'd #OldManPaxus Rating: ★★★★ ½

[@Malonik]

Absolutely agree! Splitting your loot across multiple bases is definitely the way to go. I included that in one of my super early tips videos too. Subbed to your channel too. Every sub helps!! :)

[@egg1945]

This looks like the typical base I'd see when I played like 2 years ago.

[@Malonik]

I mean I've been playing since legacy so it wouldn't surprise me if I drew from old designs I've seen or used lol.

[@JordanMorrisYT]

I live in armored 2x2s but I have all the honeycomb as wood and leave the outer door as wood. The people who try to raid me are poor and the give up after getting past the wooden door... just try not to bring too much attention to the base and it's a nice little sleeper base.

[@Malonik]

Nice! How much HQ do you pay in your upkeep?

[@odawa123]

I like the message. I always play on 10-30x modded servers, so my perspective is skewed. I am still trying to learn what amount of rocket protection is feasible on most servers (vanilla).

[@Malonik]

Oh wow must be a bit of a shock going from 30x to vanilla? Lol

[@meeksmonsterminis3143]

GEEZ. One stone node would build this whole base.

[@petchlohanut]

I don't see how this can take up to 30 rockets to raid. Assuming a raider goes through walls, they only have to go through the outer honeycombed stone wall, the inner honeycombed sheet metal wall, and the actual wall of your base (let's even assume that is an armored wall). All of that only takes 14 C4s which is equivalent to 22 rockets to get into the core, or did I miss something?

[@Malonik]

Depending on which side they hit and how you lay out the interior you can make them have to go through an additional 2 garage doors or 6 rockets to loot and TC bringing it up to 28 rockets.

[@kiaza7]

How do you get 22 rockets from 14 c4 1 c4 is equal to 2 rockets 14 c4 is 28 rockets alone

[@petchlohanut]

kyle worrall c4 = 2200 sulf, rocket = 1400 sulf

[@allanwebb2985]

Evil Wurst has plenty of base designs which are in the 30 rocket range. As a solo, I've used a lot of them. The other advantage to them is the footprint for most makes them look like an unattractive raid target, even though they have the high density loot room design that Evil uses. A lot of raids are avoided simply from that.

[@emil7163]

Then u get people watchin his vids and knowing best side to raid on

[@Malonik]

Yeah most times I see an evil design I just nope the fuck out of there lol.

[@allanwebb2985]

@@emil7163 I mean, you can reverse the design to deal with some of that. Or use a completely symmetric design where there are two or more entrances and you don't really know which side the TC is on. It at least gives you a coin flip as to whether the raider chooses the right side.

[@Bullminator]

The best base is one in cave. Since it generaly only has one point where people can enter and if you place turrets there...nothing cant enter it. All you have to do is re-inforce the front with high quality to discorage rocket raiding.

[@Malonik]

I've got mixed feelings on cave bases. On one hand they're easily the most secure as you're right and can reinforce the hell out of it... But it also means that you have no way out.... So if they get guys to watch the cave exits then you're trapped. If you set up a little 2x2 or something nearby that you keep kits in it might be better.

[@Bullminator]

I generaly go with those that have 2 exits (normal entrance and bucket exit). I solved camper issue with placing some cameras outside it (cheap bases with 2 doors and nothing inside but one gun to deal with camper). Only issue is that they dont work at night due to lack of sun. Other issue is that not all of them can be wired for power, so you need to learn wich location is best as burning oil to run turrets is just not possible.

[@eiendiaies]

To spend less on tc upkeep, just use external stone walls, roofs and double door frames. 1st floor honeycombs will up with vending machines.

[@Lazy4444]

Well, I as a solo have raid over 30 rockets. Damn once I even raided like 32 rockets on wipe day. And let me tell you that I am under the average skill player, I am just a builder. I always try to make bases with the "over 30 rockets" meta in mind, but I as been thinking that may be more viable, to make several 20+ rockets base and spread your loot, that seem like the way to go these days.

[@chom15]

i dont even play rust but this was still a really great video :)

[@Malonik]

Aww thanks! :)

[@Kraxt0n]

all this is about to change again. GREAT point with those half walls btw

[@Malonik]

Thanks! Yeah I'm really excited about the triangle ladder hatches. I've wanted them for so damn long lol.

[@feidhlimharrington2275]

1:07 "We didnt end up needing to get revenge on anyone" 8:21 "We ended up with this design because we kept getting doorcamped" lmao

[@Malonik]

Lol fair but the door campers didn't actually get out stuff so we didn't need revenge on them. Hell if anything they kept giving us free db's lol.

[@feidhlimharrington2275]

@@Malonik love the leeching dbs off doorcampers, my second favourite strategy. My first is jumping off a cliff and fucking dying :)

[@Malonik]

Lol

[@atraioiztherat9063]

Make you base all doors simple

[@busmasterrust45]

nice base!

[@Malonik]

Thanks! :)

[@rustvidz9072]

A note, this build no longer works. Roof placements no longer act the way they do in this video.

[@thousand1183]

Oh man I came across a raided shell of this house and took it over like two weeks before finding this vid!

[@Crustyislooking]

Been soloing for months, realized this a while ago and it’s very freeing

[@Malonik]

I find it way more exciting and intense.

[@zayn1172]

🧡

[@metaleater9]

The reason base design and raiding is so wonky in rust is that walls are not significantly tougher than doors to the point that they are guaranteed to be a more reliable and cheaper path to loot. If walls were stronger and it was practically impossible to make a door path that matched the wall path to loot then bases would be more free-form on the inside and traps would actually work.

[@Malonik]

Yeah I'd be totally okay with walls being way stronger. That being said it would make bunkers super OP.

[@rallboii]

Okay so i have over 2k hours on rust and i play with around 4-8 people. the thing too look in a base or your compound is the amount of bases people wont raid compounds with multiple bases towers and similear bases. if you have one massive base its gonna be raided

[@Malonik]

Yeah for sure, loot splitting across bases is the best way to secure your loot.

[@obamaball390]

this makes me want to play rust again. i stopped because i worried too much about base design

[@Malonik]

Oh man definitely give it another go! :)

[@тралльилитный-ь7я]

Next up: making up designs on the spot is the new meta

[@Malonik]

To be honest my favourite builds are the ones where we just wing it and come up with ridiculous shit that makes no sense. Nowhere near as secure as using one of the few meta builds but way more fun lol.

[@themonkinizer7236]

Can you do an evolution of rust base designs?

[@Malonik]

To properly do that I'd have to start way back to legacy when you could throw down the complete 2x1's and you had to decide whether to build in wood or metal roflmao. It's crazy how much the game and the various aspects of it have changed over the years.

[@animespaghetti5420]

honestly its good the bigger the box to scare the enemy away

[@Malonik]

That can work against you though because people will think you've got heaps of stuff lol.

[@ghostwolfsniperpackleader2832]

love it!!!

[@Malonik]

Thanks! :)

[@Blu.1]

Can you make a video about how can you expand this base

[@juelzpoole3190]

Very good like you said its big and decently expandable but also not very attractive to large groups

[@Malonik]

Yeah has worked out well the last 4 or 5 wipes we've used it. Each wipe we've tried different and weird things lol.

[@BuldMully]

I find as a solo one of the best ways to not be raided, while also maintaining a low cost base is to make it look raided. How I do this personally is by adding a fake airlock to the side made of sheet metal,(implying my base is made out of stone), adding a sign on the side saying something like “ez raid” or “told you we would raid you pussy” , something toxic yk. Then the final touch before I get off is to go outside and out a ladder covering the door. I believe this is full proof and have never gotten off-lined since using this.

[@YouLoseWeWin1]

I know It would probably be cheaper to raid but couldn't you also do this with a large furnace base? and make it an absolute beast of a defender with turrets and the Ramp peaks

[@maxwellhunterr]

I need this song for a sleep playlist though.

[@Malonik]

Lol it's such a chill track, I love it. I've been trying to figure out where I got it from for a while. It's called For Study Documentary and I'm pretty sure I either got it off Audio Jungle or Epidemic Sound. That being said I can't for the life of me find it on either of them. So the artist may have stopped selling it or something I'm not sure.

[@TheNickF]

@@Malonik Hey man, nice video. But the song super chill vibe, any posibilities to get it?

[@spazzo3187]

Sorry to ask but what’s the song in the background?

[@flexyhaug]

does this not work anymore as i cant get my first roofs to work like the, the low walls stick out

[@Malonik]

The low walls will stick out a tiny bit but if you upgrade them to metal you'll be fine.

[@RealSymplixity]

the warehouse part XD

[@Malonik]

I mean I'm not wrong... lol

[@Amann0407]

I usually just build evil wurst starter bases for my duo and sometimes trio group. My favorite design right now is a variation of the Leech 2 design kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqGUgGqkhq2mqLc The tour of the base with some added improvements (yes it increases costs but it works quite well and is a pain in the ass to raid) I often will build auxiliary bases like the minifort design and the thrifty scot and distribute some loot, and store my explosives in a armored 1x1 box (with drop boxes and a spawn point and drop chest on the outside of the base. This little base bolthole is generally hidden in a deep hole rock formation and the outside base part is stone so it looks poverty like to not draw massive raids.

[@Malonik]

Evil is exceptional at creating infuriating bases lol.

[@ryanfreshman2327]

Per the Farming video... this base is built and awesome!

[@Malonik]

Nice! :)

[@ryanfreshman2327]

@@Malonik Sorry for the lengthy bombardment but really diggin the concept. Comments / Ideas in regards to the build. We jumped into fresh wipe with 152 people on the server as a 2 man and off we went. 2x2 down safe, honeycomb down fast enough and then picked up trouble with a couple rival area groups. We survived but with some door campers and others fighting for territory we noticed how easy it is for people to identify and memorize where the physical front door is. Suggestions for maybe an updated video? #1 We added door frames and garage doors as the interior walkway honey comb... auto mate them so when you are in the base they are all open and when you leave the base or flip a switch they are all down. Our server is a minimally modded 3x server but it has the /remove feature so with 4 exterior base exits we rotate the front door of the 2x2 every hour or so and have hqm in replacement of the airlock door. It works really slick but 4 sides look like the front door when the window walkway has all the garage doors up. #2 we added a heart beat sensor and 1 exterior door left open. When the person walks in the doors close and we have 1 Tesla coil to slowly kill them and take their loot. This helps the early game build when people are too curious and becoming a pain... we typically set up a scrap piano and play music while they die haha. #3 On Floor 2 we set up 4 corners of automated garage doors with turrets for passerby's. We are debating if it would be better to have a front gate and wall and to have the Turrets on the 3rd floor. Other random thoughts. Could you build it 5 stories and have 2 full 2x2 houses enclosed haha. Could you build a square border around the outside of the base and HQM it.... like a 10x10 that is only a border to enclose it... as you can tell we have too much time. Thanks again for the solid build.

[@Malonik]

@@ryanfreshman2327 Oh man I'm absolutely thrilled that you're taking the concept and making it your own with all sorts of awesome upgrades! I'd personally reconsider the switch to lock down. As nice as the convenience is if raiders get there they can unlock a big chunk of your base.

[@ryanfreshman2327]

@@Malonik Yea that's a good point. We usually run all of our electricity out of a 3rd story room and keep most switches to our stuff there like a utility room... but you're right. We usually keep a Large battery visible to a window on a 3rd floor so raiders will shoot it and think they have killed our supply only to be killed by the turrets. As you well know if someone really wants to raid you and or offline you its only a matter of time and farm before its possible regardless of the build. I will circle back and let you know how we held up. Tonight is the Breezeway to Fish and Farm house. I will be sure to grab some screen shots for ya.

[@dmasiodnmiod]

you don't have to be dedicated to farm up 20k Metal. it can be done in like 1 hour only lol. Make a 2x2 farm base in the snow, fill up 4 large boxes with Metal Ore and Stone. it'll take about 30 minutes to have every single box slot full. Swap 30k Stone for Wood at the Outpost then smelt it all while chillin AFK :3

[@Malonik]

I totally agree, I just see a lot of the content creators operating out of small bases and only ever doing these tiny farms and thinking it's huge which to a farm bot like me is nothing lol. Didn't want to say it was super easy and then have people that hate farming sad about it.

[@dmasiodnmiod]

@@Malonik haha! yep :P I farm that before breakfast >] nice video though!

[@Malonik]

@@dmasiodnmiod thanks! :)

[@memes5440]

Bro thanks i needed this but i gotta ask my uncles friend to help me

[@Malonik]

Lol no worries! I'm confused though why do you need your uncle's friends help?

[@TylerDurden-dd1tq]

Not to be that guy...I watch a lot of these... I would not hesitate to go through a window and hit interior garage doors.... this doesn't look very secure for the amount of upkeep...You can see inside and know the design footprint is fairly small to deal with. In comparison doing segmented one by one garage doors every 1x1 with honeycombing would be WAY more secure and beginner friendly. Its a nightmare to raid and most group raiders will generally give up long before they get tc. Not to mention the garage doors are stronger than the windows and there is garage door skins where you can see through them lol. ez gg.

[@Malonik]

Lol this video really wasn't about the base design but more the idea of changing your mindset on base building somewhat.

[@alanway5]

im trying to visualize what you just said, lol but i cant.

[@jun0games]

I feel cozy asf in this base

[@Malonik]

Lol nice! Glad you're enjoying it. :)

[@multiqueaioyt5968]

I don’t watch tutorials on bases to build so I can build them, I watch them to make improvements to raid strategies and defense strategies. For example, if I know how a base is build, I can pick the most efficient route to the TC and storage. I can also find the weakest points and effectively make them stronger or think of an improved version of the build and build something else with that improved version. P.S. if you want to build what the tutorials tell you to build, just be ready to be raided by me or other people with the same strategy.

[@Dvinven]

Yeah except I built this base on a no raid server so good luck with that.