Mama Cass's Daughter's Bombshell Book!!! 🤯

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[@ChynnaPhillipsBaldwin]

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[@smokymountainangoras]

Does anyone else know the connection between Orson Welles and Elizabeth Short ???? 🔪

[@dpcaiello]

One thing most ppl don't know is how smart Cass was. Her intelligence was amazing

[@leftofcentermo]

It was very apparent to me. My mother pointed it out (she LOVED Mama Cass and the Mama and Papas) but if you see or read Cass in-depth interviews, you would know it. And that voice…MY GOD COULD SHE SING! I am going to preorder the book of her daughters right now and will be looking into Richard Campbell book as well.

[@richardcampbell9069]

Thank you so much. I hope you will. I would love to hear your feedback too. Richard

[@jaredjlinden]

Agreed. Check out her interviews, like when she was on the Tonight Show. She was witty and intelligent and charming. She came across as well-read and informed on the issues of the day.

[@RawOlympia]

Yes, and she was magnetic. I heard John Lennon was mad for her.

[@jayniekinser7029]

She was crushing on the Beatles.

[@Kare1949]

Wow your Mom Michelle never ages. She is so beautiful and so are you Chyna❤️🙏🙏

[@jude1515]

They both look pretty.

[@benniedonald]

I had to Google Michelle to find out her age. I couldn't believe it but was relieved that she did not have MacKenzie at 10. 😅😅

[@Mo-bn2gy]

One of my most favorite duets was Cass with John Denver…AMAZING ❤

[@richardcampbell9069]

They sang Leavin’ on a Jet Plane !

[@jesseadams8925]

Yes it was the perfect song for John and Cass to sing together. Just Beautiful!!@@richardcampbell9069

[@jayniekinser7029]

My fave song in gradeschool. I had all the words memorized. We all sang that song before going to sleep at a girls overnight.

[@janebrady1389]

Your Mom looks wonderful and that experience of the Mama’s and Papa’s was life changing to all of us who lived through it!!!⭐️👍👏

[@earthkarma7420]

Wow, Elvis and Mama Cass singing gospel. Sure wish I could have been a fly on that wall.

[@Polyphemus47]

I also wish I had been a fly on that wall - AND a record producer. Imagine THAT album!

[@cindland]

Love the relationship you and your Mom have…so open and loving and honest. No reservations or roadblocks to being real with each other. I have 7 children-4 girls-so I didn’t have a chance to have that kind of relationship with my girls. I wish I could go back and do that .

[@shyman99]

I think about how Cass would have fared so much better in today's world due to advancements in medicine, similar to how my dad passed away years ago from a condition that today has a very low mortality rate. My world would have been so much better had both of them lived longer.

[@trujustice8628]

They were needed for God's army and heavenly choir.

[@eileengleeson7851]

​@@trujustice8628That's Beautiful ❤️❤️

[@huckle_berry5081]

My daddy also.

[@heidichristensen7919]

Cass is to this day one of my favorite singers. I am so sorry for your loss Owen, and Chynna

[@MsFredWeasley]

I have been a huge fan of Mama Cass. She has been my hero forever. I wait for Owen's book ❤️❤️

[@jude1515]

Beautiful pictures of Owen and her mother. Looking forward to reading her book.

[@benniedonald]

Mama Cass was a beautiful woman. Voice of an angel and smile that lights up the world. The world lost a star but all of you lost family. Thank you Mama's and the Papas for the music. I grew up on your beautiful music. Helped me make my day better. Helped me find beauty in a world of horror. Oh wow William is so nice nothing like Alex. 😅😅 Thank you Jesus for this wonderful gift of talented people. To entertain us and bring light to our hearts.

[@HollyCranfan]

So glad to hear Owen has written a book about her Mom. So touching. I love listening to your mom. She and Cass had a great friendship.

[@louis8128]

I used to chat with Richard in my webtv days. I was always so obsessed with the Mamas&Papas and always appreciated another enthusiast.

[@richardcampbell9069]

Please get in touch again!

[@asab167]

Its amazing how much Owen sounds like her mom! ❤

[@ChynnaPhillipsBaldwin]

Right???? Crazzyyyy

[@pibly7784]

Yes. I made the same comment.

[@kimfrank2417]

She does and is pretty

[@EternalCass]

Even when she first came onto screen and spoke my heart dropped and I just thought Cass, she is so gorgeous and speaks so well just like her mama 💔🥹

[@jayniekinser7029]

Owen’s daughter resembles her too.

[@PS1982SHS]

Love when Owen comes on, shes so interesting! 😊

[@Tab-rh2bz]

I love to here that no matter where Elvis was in his walk with God you always here these stories about him finding peace in praising Jesus!

[@ChynnaPhillipsBaldwin]

Hallelujah and ain't it the truth?!!!! 👼🙏

[@chetyoubetya8565]

Yeah, is that after he downed a bottle of pills.

[@jayniekinser7029]

God knows. Billy Graham gave him a Bible. A short time before he passed away a Christian man who used to sing with him, gave him a Bible as well. Plus, he grew up attending church singing in the choir. That’s all I know for sure.

[@simchascribe9412]

Look up Pastor Bob Joyce here on youtube. I don't mean to sound cray cray, but they say he is Elvis. Seriously. He sings gospel songs in Alabama. He is also sings I can't help falling in love with you.

[@joellemiller3935]

So glad she’s finally writing this book

[@TJ-mu6ud]

Chynna, I just adore your boho hippy style!!! Thank you so much for bringing back the precious memories of The Mamas and The Papas…I am so very grateful to you for sharing these treasures!!! Peace of Christ💞💕

[@ChynnaPhillipsBaldwin]

Thanks love!!! Hippie Christian here ✝️🤍

[@TJ-mu6ud]

@@ChynnaPhillipsBaldwin here, too! Ordered Richard’s book and pre-ordered Owen’s book. I’m SO looking forward to reading them! Thank you so much!!!💕. And Mama Michelle is as beautiful and vibrant as always!💕. I’m clinging to these favorite memories!

[@jayniekinser7029]

So cute!

[@keeptrying5962]

I'm your age Chynna, and the music of TM&TP, Cass Elliot, speaks to me of my childhood. I went on a Cass Elliot binge not long ago and all I could think was WHAT A VOICE. Her sound was so rare, powerful, the kind of music a listener feels in their own lungs, body while hearing (I can't think how else to describe it). I will buy this book. Loved to see your beautiful mama, find her moxie inspiring (typical Michelle Phillips dead-panning re: the 'yeah sometimes it is too late', lolol, that's that no-nonsense moxie right there). Thank you to Owen, Richard, Michelle, and of course Chynna. 🙌🏼

[@trujustice8628]

Those two were kindred spirits.So happy to seeing your mum look so well and beautiful.

[@judewishedhimselfout]

A great memory for me is my mama singing to me along to Mama Cass.

[@ChynnaPhillipsBaldwin]

Awwwwww how beautiful!!!!

[@WillBlindYouWithLight]

Same I didn't know sing your own kind of song was an actual song until I was in my teens. My mom sang it to me very often God bless you❤

[@EternalCass]

Chynna this is my favourite video you have ever posted! I am only 14 and I am English but I am a Mamas and Papas super fan (and especially a Cass fan), I spend most of my time researching, listening to or reading about them, and I love you, Michelle and Owen so much!(I have preordered My mama, Cass) Richard is extremely knowledgeable and a lovely person too! Thank you for making this Chynna

[@richardcampbell9069]

Thank you and Blessings!

[@cocoaorange1]

I am a year older than Chynna, and like many of their tunes.

[@ChynnaPhillipsBaldwin]

Thanks Eliza!!! So awesome that you love Cass. She was a remarkable woman 🥰🤍 Just like you

[@EternalCass]

@@ChynnaPhillipsBaldwin You are so kind! I’m such a fan and literally screamed when I saw you responded! Thank you very much ❤️

[@zibbyzubb]

I could listen to Mama Michelle's stories every day.

[@daylinlott5723]

Richard has given us a landmark book that is the first about TMATP to achieve popular and scholarly significance. Folks will be studying his book forever into the future, as long as there is civilization. He makes us all feel like we're in the center of this Rock royalty story. I can’t wait to read Owen's biography of Cass. I hope all of her wishes come true.

[@richardcampbell9069]

Thank you so much!

[@ButterflyLullabyLtd]

I have subscribed from the UK 🇬🇧. So sad Mama Cass died in London. I feel so sad for her daughter 😢. I grew up thinking Mama Cass died from choking on a ham sandwich, so thank you for putting that fake story to rest. Good luck to her daughter with her new book. I hope it's out on audio, as I love listening to stories when doing hum drum stuff in the kitchen. What a fantastic artistic career you and your mum have had. Thanks for sharing. 😊 Godbless🙏. I can relate to Mama Cass with regards to our daughter. Our Melody healed my broken.💔♥️ Heart. And I'm so glad Melody has a stable family life so she feels like a whole person. Family and real love is everything. ♥️

[@CocoCash]

Chynna, You should write a book. You have so much to tell. You’ve told us stories that make us laugh, cry and well, all the feels. Anyway, . Owen seems like an amazing girl. I’m so sorry she grew up without a mom. Terrible. I will definitely be reading her book, 🩵🌻💝

[@richardcampbell9069]

I agree!

[@Tears77529]

You really get a feel for Cass and her brilliance of mind in a snippet /clip of her on John Denver's old television show. She was well spoken and concise; so much so, that it threw John Denver off his preconceived dialogue. Chynna, you obviously have a sweet sweet Spirit dwelling. Talk about refreshing and a rare thing in your profession! Keep the Faith! Don't get discouraged!!!!

[@lorihoop3831]

I loved their duet Leaving On a Jet Airplane. So beautiful it almost makes you tear up. Can't WAIT for this book, love the Mama's and the Papa's

[@Tears77529]

It's one the the finest renditions/duets of the song ever done. I have to imagine that John was supremely happy with what Cass did with it.

[@SmoBoo]

Love your mother I could listen to her tell her life stories all day. Amazing job Richard has done.

[@richardcampbell9069]

Thank you!

[@trujustice8628]

God Bless both authors bards of those special folks of melody of extraordinary times.

[@richardcampbell9069]

So kind of you! Thank you. Richard

[@Silenceisgolden-o9o]

Love your beautiful voice Owen, just like your beautiful mama’s😊

[@ninagaz7085]

Aww when you were listing mama Michelle’s accomplishments and she added and I was Chynna Philips mom.❤️

[@ChynnaPhillipsBaldwin]

😢 right? Love her!

[@deedeesnicks]

It's so amazing how much Owen sound like Cass, well duh she's her daughter. Love this, Jesus will forever be my rock.

[@ChynnaPhillipsBaldwin]

Forever !!!!!

[@richardcampbell9069]

Amen!

[@timb444]

Thanks Chynna for another great video ❤

[@daleclark8872]

Great video…love seeing your mom, you, and Billy! 🙏❤️

[@princessofarchetypes3870]

Thank you for your uplifting videos. Today, I’m on the verge of tears. Crying. Your content is full of love. Thank you.

[@ChynnaPhillipsBaldwin]

Thank you angel!!!! I'm praying for you NOW!!!

[@princessofarchetypes3870]

@@ChynnaPhillipsBaldwin I appreciate it greatly Ms. Chynna. Thank you and God Bless you.

[@jchow5966]

Can’t wait to read Owens’ book!!!!!!!!!

[@kimfrank2417]

Chynna love your hairstyle. Chynna thanks for having Owen on it’s always a joy can’t wait for the book. I am happy to see your mom on she looks great !

[@stable-shadow]

Your such an amazing wonderful human being! Love ya looking great, and of course love Billy.... Be Well Thursday 🕊️

[@heidia6270]

I can’t wait for the book to come out! I’ve always loved Mamma Cass. I’m same generation as Chynna and Owen, so we grew up listening to Mammas and Pappas. I appreciate it so much more now at 57 yo! Great video here! Billy seriously always makes me laugh! Love the fun you guys have!! Merry Christmas to your family!! 🎄🎅🏻❤️

[@elizabethbowie9753]

😢 That title is So sweet, I'm already in tears !! 💗💗💗

[@annemcguigan1739]

Hi Chynna! Thanks for this wonderful video ❤ it was so very interesting 😊 also it was great seeing you all ! I still play the Mamas&the Papas music 🎶 it will never grow old ! Such great memories 😍 God bless you all 🙏sending love light and peace 💙💙☮️☮️🇦🇺🇦🇺🦘🦘🦘

[@ellenolmstead5026]

I can not wait to read Owen's book. I remember the music. I am grateful to the mama's and papa's for being in my childhoods many happy radio memories. Chynna you are also blessed with the gift of good voice. Merry Chrismas and Very Happy New Years.

[@Purplenpinkk]

Such good content. Love Mama Cass, love your mom, love you. Always keeping it real. You’re both beautiful.

[@Nan-59]

Stories like these never, EVER get old!❤❤❤❤❤

[@patricialavallee8286]

Love this video! Cass was a legend. What a voice she had! Great seeing your momma; she still so beautiful! I can see where you got your looks from! Nice seeing Cass daughter. Ive heard her sing , fantastic voice alot lije her mom! Definitely going to read her book! Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you all!

[@marilynmay8375]

I have pre-ordered the book and can't wait for the release. Thank you Owen.

[@kimfrank2417]

Where can you pre order it?

[@enlightenfawn]

Michelle's story's are Wonderful to hear!! Mama Cass's Hair is so Beautiful!! Shine Bright, shire far ~ You are a Star*s I hope that "back-up singer" didn't cause her death! She died so young... how well did she know that "back-up singer"? Prayer's of Blessing's & Protection

[@crystalneel748]

Michelle is always captivating!💖

[@stevetaylor5046]

She really is!

[@dapdne4916]

Mama Cass was one of the most charming, appealing & brliant rock and pop performers of her own and any time. I am very sad that Owen did not have the opportunity to spend much more time with her phenomenal mother. I am interested in the book, of course.

[@stevegoldin6676]

Just an awesome show Chynna, just awesome. God bless you and your entire “Paris subway” family!

[@thejonijones72]

China, you got me excited 6 months too early! Glad it got you a view! I've been waiting to hear Owen's story forever!

[@jimbrown4990]

I loved Cass Elliott's voice! The Mama's and the Papa's sound was magically soothing. 💙

[@Amberszone]

My Mama, Cass....BriLlianT!! I've always been a silent cheerleader of Owen awhile now, I'm the same age & remember when cass died & somehow I knew she had a daughter & I wanted her to have my mom too because I knew she didn't have one now. Thank God for the internet so I could see she's ok starting with MySpace 😝 Xxo

[@geoffreyedwards8227]

Mama Michelle still beautiful inside and out after all these years.

[@ChynnaPhillipsBaldwin]

Yes! She is 🤍🌸🤍🌸🤍

[@carolgarza9422]

A couple of nights ago WORDS OF LOVE came to my mind as I was getting ready for bed What a beautiful voice MAMA CASS had!! just beautiful !♥️💕♥️

[@kflybye]

This is going to be an amazing interview… Thank you Owen thank you Richard . Thank you Chynna!!! I remember the 60s so well and these kind of books are just icing on the cake for the era that was beyond believable to be living in again thank you so so much for all you do Chiynna! You’re helping to keep the flame alive along with your incredible love for our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ… It’s a win-win

[@richardcampbell9069]

Thank you!

[@kflybye]

I just bought your book as well, Richard … Thank you so very very much!

[@richardcampbell9069]

Philemon 4-7! Kflybye!

[@kflybye]

I love Philemon!!! Thank you Richard for keeping the flame alive.

[@jbt6007]

One of my earliest musical memories was my mom play Mama Cass, Mama's Big Ones. It was her greatest hits ....on 8-track. Loved all the songs and learned every word. Mama Cass was such a great singer, such deep emotional connection and a wise soul.

[@conserv2thecore]

Chyna, you and your mom are so blessed to have each other. Love your videos.

[@ElizabethPoet]

Fourth time to say you are a gifted interviewer, Chynna

[@ChynnaPhillipsBaldwin]

Thank you 🙏!!!!!

[@marycook1644]

🎄 🎶 👼🏼 Great segment everyone ! Love learning even more about Mama Cass and The Mama’s And Papa’s. Cute story about Orson Welles ! Chynna has so much self confidence, she knew that her and her buddies would make it as Wilson Phillips !!! Even with hardly being prepared ! Merry Christmas to everyone on this video and all the lovely subscribers ! 🌟 🐫 Blessings from Orange County ! 🌟 🐑

[@phyllisd.5640]

I loved it... 'it's never too late, Mama'! response, ''yes, it is'! lolol....

[@blessedbowmanmichelle]

I just love your videos..

[@jphwife]

I just preordered! Looking forward to it. Cass Elliot was an incredible talent.

[@itsurgirlnic6901]

I pre-ordered the book as soon as Owen announced it. I am so incredibly excited to read it! ❤

[@taomarisaquamarine3569]

I definitely want to read it.

[@blessedbowmanmichelle]

Yes I loved knots landing in high school...loved Michelle Phillips character

[@l.a.f.4421]

Looking forvvard to this Memoir. You kept the vvorking Title. Good for you. Trust your gut. - Love and Thanks, Portland, Oregon.

[@lisachandlervideos]

Fun to see you Owen now that we're all grown up!

[@anndjohnson7255]

Oh! Michelle! You look fabulous❤

[@auntmaryspals7978]

That's so cool. I have to read that book. ❤❤

[@sallyjaynes2433]

Lovely warmth & good connection conversations amongst your mom, "Mr. Historian 😉" & to valued Mama Cass's daughter plus books coming out ..... ☮️🤞

[@richardcampbell9069]

@sallyjaynes2433

[@teresahall7781]

Wow, what an amazing video . Good memories of the mamas and the papas music. Great to see owen on here, will be looking for that book. Richard was great, and your mom michelle, is so beautiful , just like you Chynna. Always good to see billy too. Blessings. Peace Of Christ 💕 🙏 😊 💕 ✨️ ✌️.

[@richardcampbell9069]

Thank you.

[@teresahall7781]

​@@richardcampbell9069Your so welcome. GB 🙏 😊 💕 .

[@JenniferRice]

This memoir was an incredible experience. I really felt like it gave me insight into the person Cass was outside of her stage presence. I also felt I got to know Owen just as much. I realize I will never REALLY know either women,but I really appreciate Owen writing this precious book and giving us a sample of her and her mother's essence.

[@louisb5563]

Sherman Andrus! I remember him from Andrus, Blackwood & Company! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ I like the "Mr. Bill" behind Owen! 😉👌🏼 Always good to see Mama Michelle! ❤ Chynna is so cool, I really like her vibe, she reminds me of my friends I had back in high school and in bible school! 🙏🏼

[@ChynnaPhillipsBaldwin]

Awwww thank you 🙏

[@louisb5563]

@@ChynnaPhillipsBaldwin 👨🏻‍🦱Right On, Class of '83 🤘🏻😎

[@richardcampbell9069]

Sherman’s wife took the photos of Cass and Elvis in 1973

[@FloridaNativeKatie]

Just need yall to know that when people are introduced, I clap too.😂👏🏻 love you all, such inspiring humans

[@trudyramgren8817]

I was a huge fan of knots landing!!! I was so sad when it ended. I still miss it! Love you Michelle and Cynna!❤❤

[@michaelrochester48]

…you know I love the episodes that are interviews… the amount I always learn from these interviews is enough to keep me listening to the very end❤

[@kflybye]

Pre order DONE!! Thank you!

[@ChynnaPhillipsBaldwin]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@UdoraHogge]

Hi Richard!!! Hi Chy! Great to see y’all together!

[@richardcampbell9069]

Hey Udora!

[@ChynnaPhillipsBaldwin]

Love you Udora ! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻💗

[@amyyoshikawa7698]

Hi Chynna so sorry I was late to watch. I just tuned into your vlog. It’s good to see your beautiful mother and your friend Richard. I am going to church now to pray. I remember when Mama Cass passed away. She was also a beautiful and talented singer. Her daughter is beautiful too. You are all beautiful. May God Bless you all🙏👍

[@puckgold4956]

Cass had a beautiful voice. Who cares about her weight? Only shallow people!

[@jjbooker65]

I Loved this Podcast, Merry Christmas Chynna!

[@trujustice8628]

I would love to see your mum and Wilson Phillips do a Gospel flavored album with songs based on Psalms.

[@SamanthaJade-se1gd]

That would be a great idea!!!😊

[@WillBlindYouWithLight]

YAS But not only limited to one book.. perhaps old gospel hymns. And a few new songs ❤

[@ridwaanmohamed869]

The loss of Cass so early in her career is a tragedy that deserves rememberance on a historical scale. Really, her career was so brief, and yet her influence is so lasting. Really, the message of her music is one that resonates so much with what the world is craving today; the hope that everything will be okay. She was a martyr for an honorable cause. She wanted to make the world better for Owen, as she mentioned in interviews, but consequently made it a better place for all of us. The title "Mama," is beyond her affilation with the Mamas and the Papas, and really fits the maternal role she filled in every song she sang.

[@slate49]

I grew up believing the ham sandwich was how Mamma Cass passed away. It wasn’t until I heard Owen a few years back explaining the cause. I had to re-educate my parents cause it was their generation that held this belief.

[@poorthing]

True, I am in my early 70s & only heard the ham sandwich story.

[@kelliquinn1342]

I just wanted to be the first one to leave a comment 😊 Much love to all ❤

[@JP-gq8is]

I love your Hollywood guests who just happen to be related to you or very close friends. I love how you shared how you cherish your past memories about your father and how Owen is honoring the memory of her incredible mother. My mom passed when I was 13. I understand. I try to remember everything. It gives me pleasure. You are such a great friend and sister. Keep it up. Still love you Chynna 😍 Janet Palazzolo. Peace of Christ 🙏

[@nothingness9296]

Mom looks great!!! Love this! Preordering immediately

[@shyman99]

All of my favorite people in one video, plus Billy. (just kidding Billy!) 😁

[@richardcampbell9069]

Thank you!

[@stephanypasnin1474]

I was so addicted to watching Knots Landing. I saw a show the other day with Donna Mills. Blew my mind seeing her . She looks the same. 80 plus and she dont have a wrinkle. Amazing

[@cocoaorange1]

I watched Knots for a few years as a young person. Good show.

[@Mike-rk8px]

Donna just turned 83 on December 11, and it’s amazing how good she looks. Of course, no sane person would except an 83 year old not to have wrinkles and sagging, and she does, but nowhere near what most women her age have. Even if she’s had some type of cosmetic surgery it wouldn’t hold up that well at 83 anyhow. She’s obviously lived a very healthy life, for a very long time. She living proof that eating right, exercise, not smoking, not taking drugs can do for your looks and health. I would hope I look that good at 83!

[@gwae48]

LOVELIEST VOICE EVER. CARRIED THE GROUP.

[@blessedbowmanmichelle]

God bless Michelle Phillips the last mama and papa..God had and has a plan..praise God...

[@29Marathons]

Chynna, thank you so much for this video!! I love it & also found it really uplifting to me when you begin "Jesus is my Rock & That's how I roll" in the beginning of your clips. I am saddened that your mother's beloved "Mama's & Papa's" bandmate & friend, Cass Elliott, has passed away in her early 30s back in 1974. Cass has plenty of special talent to offer in show business, especially with her singing (as well as your mother, Michelle). I hope you had a Merry Christmas with your family, especially with your beloved mother, Mama Michelle. As long as your mother is doing well, she will help keep the California Dreamin' alive & well!! Happy Year in 2024 & God Bless!!

[@Swampzoid]

If y'all want to be completely wowed, check out Cass Elliot singing Didn't Want To Have To Do It.

[@kimfrank2417]

Merry Christmas chynna and family also to Owen and family

[@chrismiles8822]

Okay, I give up. Don't want MamaMichelle to sign a picture. MERRY CHRISTMAS and God bless❤

[@anj3595]

I love your relationship with your Mom.

[@reyj1022]

I was addicted to Knots Landing from the first episode!

[@rogerdsmith]

The Imperials are a legendary southern gospel group.