MAME .271 is Here! Big Upgrades to Arcade Emulation Incoming!

[@kenr3628]

I absolutely love to see someone cover mame updates. I always look forward to the end of the month!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I cover it when games I enjoy hit. Sometimes that’s not all the time

[@GzegzolkaDA]

There is one channel BobZed or something like that, that shows every new update of mame.

[@ObiKKa]

Yes. And there are two other small channels that cover mame updates in terms of various software and hardware improvements. All three will sometimes show progress in arcade game systems.

[@Rockovissi]

Time Crisis 2 is my favorite Arcade game ever. I got so good at it that I could finish the game on one credit.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s an absolute classic

[@Rockovissi]

@ I need to get a Sinden Lightgun with recoil and a pedal!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Or GUn4IR

[@Rockovissi]

@ Oh yes, I’ll have to check that out.

[@CodaBroda]

@@RockovissiIf you’re on more of a budget, RetroShooter (4 sensors like Gun4IR) has been working awesome for me. Also comes with pedals

[@TheCaffeineKid]

Never seen Rapid River before or even heard of it so thank you for enlightening me. It looks like a 3D update to Toobin' which was also a fun time back in the day.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s def a deep cut for Namco

[@akatsukione2377]

System 23: It's about time, baby!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

You love to see it

[@AquaticMammalOnBicycle]

Crisis Zone is the #1 game I’ve been waiting to play in emulation! Good sign of things to come. The PS2 version has awful color palettes dumbed down to grey while the arcade version has bright beautiful colors.

[@Alucard400]

@@AquaticMammalOnBicycle I've been waiting for a few years now! I'm eager to create an arcade cabinet just for Crisis Zone! Got to figure out which gun would work best with MAME and if there is a mod for a machine gun recoil.

[@shadownet_nft]

My goodness, I remember playing system 23 games at the bowling alley arcade. It was mind blowing.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Second only to Sega in the graphics department

[@edrikhtg]

The moment i saw the Crisis Zone gameplay i legit screamed. I love the Time Crisis series and i love the OG 3 (1, 2, and Crisis Zone). I also always prefer the OG arcade graphics instead of the console versions, mainly maybe it's because of the nostalgia bias lol. Kudos to the MAME devs! And thanks for the vid!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’m glad Namco is getting more 3D love in MAME

[@deadcaliph6414]

I vividly recognize Rapid River and loved playing Crisis Zone

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I played Crisis Zone up in Minnesota at the state fair this summer

[@Mamiya645]

Arcade games sound so more right through the magical 8 ohm speaker. I adored TC2 on the super deluxe standup cabinet with rear projection screens.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

They just always had better and more powerful sound in the cabinets

[@zakuworks000]

Crisis zone is a personal favourite. Played it for hours at a cheap Tokyo arcade in the early 2000’s.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I played it this summer up in Minnesota at an arcade. Fun times

[@beingsupersonic7499]

That Rapid River sound sample was a really nice Chillout tune!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yeah it’s got a good sound and style

[@WhatAboutZoidberg]

I hope one day all light gun games work flawlessly on MAME, thatd be sweet. Point Blank, Time Crisis, Virtua Cop, Area 51/Maximum Force, Police trainer all on Modern big tvs with modern light guns would be a dream.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’ll happen one day

[@g4z-kb7ct]

erm, all those you listed have been working fine for years. Get a Sinden, always use LATEST mame and you can play them on a large TV.

[@WhatAboutZoidberg]

@@g4z-kb7ct tried batocera buold last year & police trainer is still wonky as hell as was one of the others. ill try again as my Sinden is mostly in my closet.

[@SRC267]

Great update, i personally want to see Jurassic Park 3 working full speed

[@g4z-kb7ct]

JParkIII is Konami Viper hardware (PowerPC 603 + Voodoo3). Not sure there is anyone left on the team who has the knowledge to fix it. In 2024 now mamedev is just a skeleton of its former self.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Viper has seen some fixes recently

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Me too. Me toooo

[@Slonie]

Oh man, System 23 means the time of Downhill Bikers may be upon us at long last!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Definitely in the cards for the future

[@princedizzy3506]

In my younger years I used to gaze in amazement at the Rapid River machine in one of my local arcades (Funland 2)

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It was a fun cab. Kind of adjacent to magical truck adventure from Sega

[@colterknebel]

Glad to see that Crisis Zone is starting to get support. Rather than the graphics, my main issue with the PS2 version is how the music was remixed, as well as the recasting of the voice actors and seeming replacement of character animations. It all seemed so stiff. The original game is good, cheesy fun with great music, wild voice acting, and cool looking motion captured character animations.

[@d34thby1337]

This is crazy, I played Rapid River a long time ago at a Main Event in TX. Also, I noticed you've slowed the delivery of your intro line 😁

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

The deliver is always diff and it’s always intentional haha

[@garethowen9219]

Crisis Zone being playable is awesome! I've got the PS2 version, but the System 23 version being playable is great as it's so nostalgic as the PS1-ish graphics have a charm all of their own. It's also interesting as although the textures have that PS1-style look, the interactivity and destructibility of the scenery and speed with which they're pushed is far beyond anything that would have been possible on PS1. Also nice to see TCII get some improvements, that game is a great blast when you have 30 minutes or so spare!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I love the look of the arcade much better than PS2

[@evoivowner7732]

Great to see these. I share your love for these games and generation 👍

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Happy to make these :) fun times ahead

[@DarthMarino]

The fog effect when you fire in the PS2 version Crisis Zone can easily be removed in PCSX2 with a customer texture.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It can. But I like to reference the original experience when comparing versions

[@ironmaiden5658]

I'm still sitting on 0.258. Might be time to make the change. I've been running MAME in the same cab I have today since 2000. It's come a looooooong way over the years.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Def time for an upgrade

[@SRC267]

At this point you might just not update lol, wait another 10 years

[@AquaticMammalOnBicycle]

WHOA I was thinking of creating a code bounty for Crisis Zone emulation because it seemed hopeless that we would see it in our lifetime. Great news that big progress is being made.

[@Djehuti-85]

Wow, Rapid River looks fantastic with all that stuff (dinosaurs, pyramids etc). never got in touch with System 23 back in the days.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s a fun game that’s def worth checking out

[@Framed_Niner]

There is a Rapid River in Nashua, NH. Fun World is the arcade.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Next time I’m back in VT I’ll try and swing by

[@bryansabater9562]

Finally, Crisis Zone is working at last, and Time Crisis 2 got dramatically improved.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Still needs polish but we are getting there

[@MrGTheSpiritAvenger]

I would def say panic park has become much more playable and even runs at 100% on my high spec PC. Haven’t gotten around to trying rapid river on the new mame version yet but looks like a lot of fun! Also someone in the Gun4IR discord mentioned that they’re working on adding recoil outputs to Time crisis 2 so that’s exciting :)

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes GUN4IR with this will be great

[@MxArgent]

You know, it's funny. I was musing about those '90s-era 3D-oriented arcade system designs earlier. Really impressive stuff, but it was perhaps inevitable that simpler, more servicable consumer hardware-based designs won out in the long run. Same thing that happened to, for instance, SGI or Sun's workstations.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes all this hardware was wildly complex and can be delicate

[@TikTok-ll9wo]

Moto go is awesome now we need Race on

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Hopefully son!

[@Essuez94]

I've been waiting for Motocross Go to be emulated, so excited for this!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s not perfect but it’s def playable

Glad to see the Namco System 23 received a significant upgrade, sure the games still have broken graphics but not that much now and some games boot now but a few doesn't yet or just crashes, still, nice to finally see a big progress. I've been waiting for that to test 500 GP and Panic Park, those 2 games are the ones i was most interested to try. At least i did also enjoyed Motocross Go!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

All improvements are good improvements :)

[@kitestar]

Between you and me, seeing mame go “all in” on previously not working boards makes me wonder if they’ve finally ran out of mahjong, gambling or pinball tables that only has CPU boards for its marquee

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha may very well be

[@arcadeguy781]

I'm so glad Namco System 23 is being worked on. My computer can handle every game that works now except for Crisis Zone (I get 60-70% for that game). Hopefully, they get the inputs fixed for Crisis Zone. I did manage to play Crisis Zone, even with the input issues, and it was still fun.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s always fun to play a not perfect MAME experience because it shows you just how things get done

[@sonicthejetsetbeat7465]

Bro Motocross Go, Rapid River, including Time Crises Zone. They both have my attention. Motocross Go plays just like Cyber Cycles! Only game i remember is Time Crises Zone. But the other 2 also look Fire!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Some of the best games Namco ever made

[@KarlSturmgewher]

Still waiting for: Sega Model 2 Hyper Neo Geo 64 Konami's Fighting Wu-Shu

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

At least some of them do work decently

[@matthewrausch1837]

simply just amazing. I swear these mame devs are such geniuses. I can't wait to see even further improvements. All this progress in just a few weeks is nothing but surreal in the best way possible. Thank god for mame. Can't wait to play all these classics without driving aimlessly to arcade after arcade only to be disappointed to see nothing but redemption games again and again.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Arcades are such a bummer now. Just all ticket machines

[@matthewrausch1837]

@@VideoGameEsoterica its why im so thankful for all the passionate folks working on mame.

[@Emulator_Crossing]

Yes, getting closer to crisis zone...hope someone will find a way to disable time crisis 2 flash effect. in term on the crisis zone ps2 version. you can disable the white fog with a patch.

[@AquaticMammalOnBicycle]

Yes the patch/option/mod to fix the fog flash is included by default in PCSX2. Previously you had to install a little texture pack file, but now it’s as simple as a checkbox option built-in.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

True there is a patch

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It always gives me some odd results

[@miked4377]

i love namco and the time crisis games...i love gun shooter game...mame is so cool..

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s my fav genre

[@miked4377]

@VideoGameEsoterica yes!!👍

[@noahheninger]

Rapid River looks so fun!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s a super fun game

[@g4z-kb7ct]

1:12 SYS23 is very easy to deal with outside of the cab if you know what to do. I've fixed dozens of those boards over the last 15 years. My S23 test harness is wired to jamma, simply plug in and it works fine without anything special.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s not that it’s hard. It’s that it’s massive and you just can’t let it sit out all day haha

[@g4z-kb7ct]

@@VideoGameEsoterica massive? it's smaller than naomi when out of the box....

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Mine is still in the tall variant steel case

[@NeoRocket64]

we have (or had) many cabs of panic park, rapid river, time crisis 2 sd, and crisis zone sd in indonesia, and finally i can atleast try it on mame! (not panic park tho sad) i honestly hope someone take a dabble on standalone emu of namco super system 22/23 so that maybe we can play this on more acceptable performance like supermodel for model 3. the future is good and i hope we have better future for this amazing system

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’m just glad progress is being made

[@astrea555]

I played Time Crisis 2 so much in arcades, not as amazing as Virtua Cop 3 but great game! Emulation is great but the real thing was something else. The gun felt great and the screen was huge!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes there are some things emulation can’t replicate

[@Dmar-ih7kr]

Just use a Wiimote with the Mayflash sensor bar and attach the wiimote to an off brand Wii gun holster 😎

[@joshuakelly9390]

Super exciting!!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’m certainly excited haha

[@victorromero8010]

This is so cool to see. Are Time Crisis 1 and the first two Virtua Cop games for the arcade available to play in Mister FPGA?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Not on the arcade side. Saturn and PSX

[@arcadegamesoldschool9601]

Time Crisis 2 my favorite 👍

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

One of the best in the series

[@MrSmith-gy3pb]

There is less left for the arcade 500 gp to become a reality in mame. I've been waiting for it for centuries

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Hopefully sometime soon

[@falsebaroness]

Heck yeah.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

A fun time indeed

[@RetroT80]

When I run time crisis 2, it seems a bit slow. Was it full speed when you played it? Also which version of MAME software do you use?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s near to full speed for me but I run it on an i9 with an overclock

[@chriszardis8543]

I loved Rapid River and yep haven't seen it in arcades for decades, is this video showing Mame gameplay? If so that's insane. How on earth do the controls work though?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes all MAME gameplay. Controls are on analog inputs

[@WingburenArcade]

This is great news ♥️♥️ would Time Crisis II be possible to play on two PCs on the same network in order to play two player co-op?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Possibly but I’d have to test it

[@simon41978]

Can't beat Namco in the arcade. This (on PS2) was one of my top reasons to get a PS2.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I still love the arcade versions more than PS2 but that’s me

[@charliefulton4639]

How do you set the controls on rapid River I can move around just not quickly lol

[@g4z-kb7ct]

The controls are a 5k pot for paddles and 5k pot for steering. The steering one is obvious. The paddles move by pushing the pot full left then full right, continually. The same thing applies to Final Furlong for the horse rocking.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Set control calibration in the test menu

[@DoinThatRag]

There are more fixes that didn't make it in the MAME 271 release. They just missed the cutoff, so the 172 release is going to have even more fixes for these games. Awesome. I frickin' love MAME. It is such an important project. It should be government funded in a perfect world.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I mean the govt funds so much dumb crap…lets make it fun this! (Not saying it’s dumb haha…you know what I mean)

[@Mong00se22]

Not used mame since i discovered Mister.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

MAME still has its place

[@Mong00se22]

@@VideoGameEsoterica It lets you play cores not done yet so yes for sure.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’ll take forever to catch up to MAME in FPGA

[@Mong00se22]

@@VideoGameEsoterica Its like opening a Christmas present every day :)

[@SantaAzulCTZN]

I'm told Gunmen Wars is working in MAME now. I was wondering if it's true.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Not sure. Haven’t tried myself

[@n64fan60]

To my eye, Namco System 23 looks somewhere between SEGA Model 2 and 3 in terms of technical capability.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

That’s where I’d slot it in too

[@Zontar82]

Panic park is finally playable!!!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

And that’s awesome

[@hideokojimajr]

I've never really dove into "high end" MAME - you mention wanting to bring as much CPU power as possible. I'm guessing that's single core performance, or does MAME take advantage of multiple cores?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

MAME can use multiple cores but you want the highest single core speed you can get for the higher end 3D games.

[@hideokojimajr]

@@VideoGameEsotericasweet, I’m guessing an overclocked 10900k will do decent

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Should be fine. Intel anything modern i9 should be good

[@pyramidal_ancestors]

VGE do you have any Sega Model HW? I have a mountain of them I'm going to repair once my work gets the proper attachments to the BGA station so I can reball with some proper modern solder 😂

[@pyramidal_ancestors]

The reason I ask is because theyre HUGE

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I have one model 2 board. Weirdly nothing model 3

[@pyramidal_ancestors]

@VideoGameEsoterica If you ever want to make a video on model stuff hit me up!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Email me : videogameesoterica at that Google owned company. Would love to chat

[@brandogg]

Here's the real question: Can you use MAME w/ Groovy MiSTer on a CRT w/ a GunCon 2 (plugged into the PC)? I'm guessing the answer is no

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

No that can’t be done

[@Mr.Phaysan]

​@@VideoGameEsoterica hey, i will get my gun4ir soon. Streaming Groovy on my Naomi nuc is amazing. Love so much CRT tv.

[@BF-Gator]

Where do you get the .271 roms

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Archive

[@espartanoarcade]

Namco rapid River funciona completo?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Not perfect but you can play it

[@espartanoarcade]

@VideoGameEsoterica algún fix o alguna versión modificada de mame 0.271 para poder jugarlo completo?

[@larsandresson3459]

why doesn't time crisis 2 work in retroarch it doesn't upload but it works fine in mame emulator , the picture is a bit dark how do you get it as good as your video ? can you get higher resolution to 4k in Mame? or is it only in Retroarch?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

MAME current in RetroArch is not the current MAME if that makes sense

[@g4z-kb7ct]

@@VideoGameEsoterica yeah Retroarch is using a mame from 2016 iirc. It's pretty pathetic.

[@larsandresson3459]

How do you do to play in 1080p or 4k resolution ?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Internal or post scale?

[@ThetaxDeltax]

can you get mame more accurate almost liek the mister is? Will get back into mame. I found mister right after i was about to. MiSTer seems about ordering stuff.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It’s all dependent on the code

[@zexalsrevenge511]

But there’s one problem. Games won’t f***ing load on my laptop ever since I installed another M.2 SSD to it. I’ve tried uninstalling and reinstalling to no avail. The Reddit community wasn’t much help, it’s been driving me insane. Every time I try to open a game, it gives me the message “Required rom/disk images for the selected system are missing or incorrect. Please acquire the correct files or select a different system.”. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! I PLACED THE FILES RIGHT THERE, I SWEAR! I remapped the folders several times to no avail. I HAVE EVERYTHING NEEDED! WHY WON’T YOU LOAD MY DAMN GAMES?! Has anyone else been dealing with that?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haven’t seen it but def sounds like a file path error

Does anyone know which graphics hardware Namco used for System22.5/23? It rumoured to be based off PowerVR but a lot of these games don't make use of any texture filtering which those processors supported. Also yeah emulating those games make my CPU cry lol

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It was proprietary so it may have had a cut down spec

[@LightGunandRetroRacingLunatics]

Thanks bud Ive shared on our group. Though you are welcome to 😢

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Where is the group again? Haha

[@ZephyrOpus]

CRISIS ZONE????

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yep!

[@KarlEdwards-i1g]

Wonder how long before graphics get better

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

🤷🏻‍♂️

[@kidgruesome407]

THIS MEANS ALL OF OUR ROMS WILL BE OUTDATED! I LOVE WHEN I NEED TO REDOWNLOAD ENTIRE ROMSETS! YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

lol cost of doing MAME business

[@kidgruesome407]

@@VideoGameEsoterica Objectively this a great thing. More roms working is better for everyone I am just being pessimistic guy. My glass is always half but as long as Killer Instinct is always supported, my cup runneth over.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

@kidgruesome407 people do love KI

[@g4z-kb7ct]

Who said the roms have changed? Nothing has changed and I'm the dumper of all of the S23 stuff (and thousands of others).... so....

[@METR0lD]

So what you're saying is that it will no longer maim those games!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

🤣 damn it

[@magnusbronsan2086]

who's gonna design and start selling rapid river and motocross go contollers for home use? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha I’d love to see someone try

[@StillTheVoid]

But can it run...Mortal Kombat 4?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

But would anyone want to? Lol

[@CodaBroda]

Are my comments getting deleted? Only mentioned Rapid River afaik

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

This one isn’t?

[@CodaBroda]

@@VideoGameEsoterica KZbin might’ve sent to your spam list 🤷‍♂️ Most of the time I wouldn’t care, but this one took more time to write than usual; Rapid River memories w/ my bro at Chuck e Cheese and more thoughts on that particular game. No worries though, great video!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’ll take a look tomorrow. See if it’s in held

[@CodaBroda]

@@VideoGameEsoterica Oh man, if you have the time, really appreciate it! I assumed it wasn’t your doing

[@JDVHS]

does it have snow bros??

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Best I can do is snow siblings

[@hanzhovaj4129]

So to play these old a$$ arcade games by Namco I will need an intel icore 23 with a GTX 100800 gpu?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha you just need a good cpu

[@0511224]

Reload!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Gonna hear that a lot

[@SRC267]

​@@VideoGameEsotericaI used to use the German language (at least on the ps1 with TC 1 as the reload version in German sounded cooler)

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’ve never heard that. I’ll have to try it

[@SRC267]

@@VideoGameEsoterica funny thing is the game calls out "aufladen" on ps1, maybe it's different on select regions, but that translates to "charge" not reload. Reload in German is Neu Laden, or herladen in Dutch.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Now I’ve def gotta play it in German haha. Sounds like a good time

[@吸血武福星]

第一！！！

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

You are first!

[@jpc-273]

For when Sega Model 2?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

🤷🏻‍♂️

[@vforillo]

Hard pass.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

On something free that you don’t need to use? Ok then

[@lomaxionpeerixonez2022]

All that's really left now is improvements to cv1000 namely not needing cheats for accurate blitter and sound driver improvements. Although I'm not sure that's possible