Man Tips Winning Lottery Ticket, Sues to Get It Back (Bad r/legaladvice)

[@LegalEagle]

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[@polyculeman]

Reddit is a beautiful mess.

[@jonathanperry8331]

I don't know if you've already touched on this subject but are you required to roll your window all the way down when you're pulled over? Can you just take your license and registration and just press it up to the window? Is being forced to open the window an illegal search?

[@CptApplestrudl]

Well, I am sure there are some questionable phrases in contracts one could talk about. A customer once send me a contract that had this gem in it: "The artist (that's me) hereby grants all rights in universe and perpetuity to the client." on that note: What about contracts that are plainly selfmade? Like someone went to reddit and copied this and that and put it together in a jumbled mess including varying fonts, typos, wrong dates etc?

[@LucenProject]

Is an engagement ring on a valentines day a gift promise or a contract that they get the ring in exchange for marriage?

[@matstornros7231]

If you do decide to cover more reddit stories you should really be more fair to the subreddit. Based on what you're saying in this video and the comments in the thread, the advice given was basically 100% correct on every single point. Why exactly are you calling it badlegaladvice?

[@Tulku]

"But, I meant to leave you false hope of winnings, not actual winnings."

[@ianmiller6040]

"Your Honor, I never meant for her to actually win!"

[@blacklightredlight2945]

To be fair, considering we're all peasants, it's not that crazy for them to fight for any chance to escape the eternal cycle at the bottom.

[@zogar8526]

@@blacklightredlight2945 maybe it isn't crazy for someone to want to get off the bottom. But it is shitty to do it to someone else down there with you. Especially here. Like bartends live off tips. And this ass hole was only giving lottery tickets. And when she finally wins, he wants in on her tip? This dude is a complete piece of shit.

[@tomifost]

Seriously. Its such a dick move to only leave lottery tickets to min wage employees. Throw it on top of a tip, but something that only has a 1 in 1xxxxxxxx chance of being real $ is a shit move.

[@neolexiousneolexian6079]

@@blacklightredlight2945 If I can't afford to tip, then I can't afford to eat there. Spending money to get drunk and harass a bartender doesn't seem like how you "fight for any chance to escape the eternal cycle at the bottom".

[@Trashley652]

"Noooo I only tipped you with lottery tickets because I thought they would be worthless!!!"

[@ravenshirwood5201]

Pretty much! lol

[@milk_bath]

Hope she counter sues and gets legal fees covered

[@Watsuda]

Yeah, this sums it up in a way that would make anyone understand that she deserves the money. The only value a lottery ticket has is the potential to win. So if you're leaving a lottery ticket as a tip, you're gifting someone the potential to win the lottery. Should the person then win the lottery and you then ask for you money back, they essentially never really had the potential to win, so the tip would have been completely worthless.

[@434444334]

Hahaha reminds me of the episode of bojack horsemen where Todd gives the waitress millions as a tip

[@onceuponadime978]

he don't consider all those times he got my tipping her nothing by giving a loser ticket.

[@rukysgream]

Moral of the story: Don't tell ANYONE when you win the lottery.

[@keathgraham2742]

In some states your identity must be revealed.

[@besacciaesteban]

Specially the IRS XD

[@alainarchambault2331]

I have a sister who would totally get annoying if she found out that I won the lottery.

[@katiechambers1319]

@@keathgraham2742 yes but usually you have a year to come forward so you can get everything in order, set up savings or retirement, get security, etc..

[@nialljohnson5191]

I believe one can set up a trust, sign the ticket over to the trust and have a lawyer collect the winnings for said trust. Either that or turn up cosplaying as Darth Vader.

[@micahbush5397]

Honestly, if I were in her shoes, I'd "settle" with the guy by giving him a lottery scratch ticket. Let's see how he likes receiving an almost certainly worthless piece of paper instead of money.

[@Matty80822]

I like the way you think

[@dskuit]

But wouldn't that then inply that your did in fact owe them something? PS i also like the idea of it.

[@micahbush5397]

@@dskuit Maybe "settle" is the wrong word. Maybe a better term for it is "a token of appreciation."

[@forrest3]

If only the world leaders operated with your mind

[@micahbush5397]

@@forrest3 If you mean to pay off debts, that would probably result in war.

[@randomperson01]

So either, you tip with no money on the ticket, essentially leaving no tip. Or there is money on it, you sue for it trying to get it all, and essentially leaves no tip

[@BrandanLee]

Correct. I had a dude I worked with who did that shit and he was the biggest POS... would do exactly this kinda crap too.

[@edwardmiessner6502]

And no share of the winnings for either one 'cause the legal costs will eat it all up.

[@Arjay404]

I'm sure the server has one 1,2,5 dollars with the scratch off before but overall they likely got nothing 99% of the time, so the patron stiffed the server those times. The server should turn around and countersue him for not leaving a real tip all those other times.

[@clairenollet2389]

Exactly. Leaving a scratcher as a tip is an acknowledgement that you, the customer, believe the ticket will never be a winner. Thus, your real tip should have been $12 in cash, but because you leave behind a $5 scratcher where the top prize is $1 million, you've actually saved yourself $7 on the tip. While also allowing the customer to think that leaving the scratcher makes you look fabulously generous, in spite of the 30-million-to-one chance the waitress will actually win $1 million.

[@lunaticbz3594]

I'm amazed people do this. Its just a terrible idea. Also any servers really need to 86 this crap. If they give you a scratch off next time they show up refuse them service. Or constantly remind them of how they left you no tip. Or whatever passive aggressiveness you can get away with at work.

[@galacticbob1]

When I was a bar manager, we had an elderly regular who would buy tons of scratch-offs, and occasionally use them for tips. His deal was this: he would offer when closing out his tab to give the ticket to his server as a tip. If they accepted, he would have them scratch it there at the table. In the event that they won nothing, he would still always leave a few dollars tip because he was that kind of guy. One time, the server won $500! The man just asked that she cover his meal that night (about $30) in exchange for the ticket. Both parties went home happy. If you're going to do this, do it like this guy. 👍

[@backbeathighway]

And that's exactly what Devin meant by an oral contract. Everything was up front and understood by all parties going going into the little deal. Totally different scenario from someone just giving a scratch-off instead of a real tip and then expecting payment back after the fact. Also he just sounds like a fun customer to have since he's still taking care of the server either way.

[@galacticbob1]

@@backbeathighway I got the impression that he was a pretty lonely guy, and sharing that moment of scratching off a lottery ticket was sort of his social life highlight; a way to get a moment of connection with a relative stranger and a little excitement, in his otherwise mundane retirement. 😅

[@jessicataylor7174]

@@galacticbob1 He sounds like a man who knew he'd get more joy seeing someone else win than having the win for himself. Grandpa material right there! 😊

[@ilovefunnyamv2nd]

@@backbeathighway yeah but years of judge judy has taught me oral contracts mean nothing. written contracts do, even on a napkin. because lets say they changed their mind, now its "he said v she said" and its up to an arbitrator to determine what is fair

[@backbeathighway]

@@ilovefunnyamv2nd Arbitration and legal lawsuits are similar but not the same. Judge Judy is the former done largely for entertainment more than anything, while Devin is talking about actual lawsuits which would open up a lot more methods for gathering evidence and getting witnesses involved than basic arbitration. And it's not going to always be he said, she said because some cases will have a lot more evidence to them. Oral contracts are not all just handshake, there can be other components that support the argument that a contract was in place. If I ask you to paint my fence and hand you a check to do it, but you cash my check and never paint my fence, I'll have the cashed check and not-painted fence as evidence. But yeah, if it's something REALLY important or deals with a lot of money, you'll want it written down.

[@Stephen-Fox]

Imagine not only being shitty enough to tip with lottery tickets, but to sue the unfortunate soul to be tipped with lottery tickets if they win.

[@Dylan-dc2xf]

Ehh, I think 50/50 is reasonable

[@TheKitKatThe]

@@Dylan-dc2xf 50/50 is not reasonable when you're using a lottery ticket as a tip lol

[@hazelangus]

@@Dylan-dc2xf Why would it be reasonable? What is it that leads you to that conclusion?

[@ablasttv]

@@Dylan-dc2xf You have no personal connection to a server just because they served you once. They are essentially a random human to you. The moment you leave their presence its like you never met. You might as well demand 50/50 from any winner anywhere because you have an equal connection to that person as you do said server. You cannot possibly have an agreement with a random person you encountered for a moment.

[@tacticalblank8045]

@@Dylan-dc2xf Unless there is an explicit agreement to split the earnings, if you give someone a lottery ticket, it's theirs, and you should expect to receive absolutely nothing if they happen to win. ESPECIALLY in this case where the lottery ticket is being given as a tip instead of money. If you want the winnings, don't give away your ticket lol

[@cheekyghost2284]

The fact that it's not technically illegal for her boss to give out an employee's personal contact information is more concerning to me than the claim to her winnings. As someone who has worked a lot of customer service jobs, this is how you end up getting stalked & killed.

[@paulputtotum9693]

i'm sorry to hear that ... i'm also impressed that you're posting on youtube from beyond the grave. it gives me hope

[@elperry7733]

@@paulputtotum9693 ? If you're gonna be a dick to someone it should at least make sense as a response to what they said.

[@drpibisback7680]

@@elperry7733 I think the guy you're responding to was pointing out the phrasing at the end of the first comment making it sound like the person had themselves been stalked and killed, thus having firsthand knowledge.

[@Ikajo]

It is super illegal in the EU. GDPR protects all personal information and you can only use it if you've been given express permission

[@contytub]

I've realised this after working for few weeks in customer service ... people are efin weirdos freaks from time to time ... that's why in the call center were only guys . Girls were terrified

[@gr8kat1]

I feel like leaving a lottery ticket as a tip is a dick move in general.

[@locutus94]

Yep, and it's even more so if you demand a cut if the ticket turns out to be a winner. Essentially, he was happy giving scratch tickets solely because it cost him nothing, and more often than not their dogshit. I hope every server he gets from here on out spits in his food.

[@ps.2]

@@locutus94 No, it's worse: the scratch tickets _did_ cost him money. He had to buy them. He could have spent that same money on cash tipping, thus allowing the waitress to decide for herself whether the lotto was a good investment.

[@warron24]

It's really common. To be fair a lot of scratchcards give out small prizes that can be as much as $50 or $100 which are not super rare and are pretty nice if your not the person buying the tickets. (If you are buying them your probably losing more then your getting back).

[@MalzraAirwynn]

Agreed.

[@Hello-pp3hl]

My boss gave them out as a 'Christmas bonus" too...I was like wow thanks for 5$ I will never get

[@condorboss3339]

This is why I never give lottery tickets as gifts: Most of the time, you are giving nothing. On the odd chance it wins, you are wishing you'd kept it.

[@TenaciousToucan]

You have to be totally prepared for them to win if you gift someone a scratch card. Otherwise things about to get nasty.

[@stribika0]

Why would you even buy them?

[@condorboss3339]

@@stribika0 There is no economic rationale for buying lottery tickets (except in very rare cases where the payout odds favor the ticket buyer). However, I occasionally buy a ticket for the fun of it.

[@jablue4329]

@@stribika0 For fun

[@maxmichalik4938]

One more rationale is that one values a lot of money maybe coming all at the same time more than one values the steady money expended. As in, valuing a one to a million odds of getting one million dollars much higher than one dollar, due to the inherent life changing effect, while the actual lottery ticket expense fits comfortably into the budget.

[@medude420024]

"Here is a normally worthless scratch-off as a tip" "WoW i CaN't BeLiEvE yOu WoN't SpLiT tHe WiNnInGs"

[@casusbelli9225]

You just described american boomer mentality.

[@dianebrooks1859]

She messed up on the #1 rule of winning anything lotto related: *DON'T TELL ANYONEEEEEE*

[@Christopher._M]

Exactly!

[@Bob1Mack]

Many decades ago, in Toronto, lottery winners had to accept their winnings in public, thus letting everybody and their uncle know who they were and where they lived. After one big win, reporters from the local tabloid showed up at a lottery winners' house for a "human interest" story. They found the house empty and up for sale, and the winners gone to... somewhere unknown. The reporters, being storyless, went angrily back to the lottery corporation, and told them what happened. The guy from the lotto hq responded, "Whaddaya know! Looks like somebody finally did it right."

[@conscripthornet4430]

@@Bob1Mack That’s actually a really cool story, is there a video about this on youtube?

[@Bob1Mack]

@@conscripthornet4430 No, the story is probably older than the internet. It showed up as a throwaway item in a "cityside" column in one of the local papers, about 45 years ago.

[@Grivian]

The first 20 rules of winning the lottery. Don't tell anyone. Not friends, not your family, not your wife. Invest the money into something good. Don't be a dumbass

[@S1ipperyJim]

In Australia it would definitely be illegal to give an employee's email to a customer

[@Grakkagrunk]

Same here in Sweden

[@Snowshowslow]

@@Grakkagrunk And in the Netherlands. Legal protections for employees are truly a joke in the US...

[@ewarwoowar9938]

@@Snowshowslow And I'm 90% certain it would be in the UK too. I think it would be a violation of the Data Protection Act.

[@NimonoSolenze]

@@Snowshowslow And that's because the US sees employees as disposable robots that serve their every whim, not people! Protection for employees? But that cuts into MY profits, we can't have that!

[@Rapscallion2009]

@@ewarwoowar9938 oh, gosh. Yes, a massive breach of GDPR, too.

[@christineherrmann205]

Yeah, I knew where this was going as soon as she told ANYONE she'd won. People are jerks. It shouldn't be complicated; he gave you the ticket, it's yours, transaction ends there. You don't have to tell anyone anything.

[@ceoatcrystalsoft4942]

I wish people would not be stupid and tell others

[@TowaruTsura]

Depends. Only 11 states allow a lottery winner to remain anonymous and still collect the money. All 39 others, the winner must be officially identified, in order to keep lottery officials honest.

[@pingidjit]

@@TowaruTsura You can remain anonymous if you use a lawyer to collect the ticket on your behalf.

[@Foolish188]

Reminds me of a rancher and a farm hand who took a sample of some funny colored mud to an assayer in San Francisco. It was Silver, the three of them agreed to meet at the assayer's office at noon after buying supplies so they (including the assayer) could stake (with real wooden stakes) claims. And of course not tell anyone. At noon the first race horse was sold so the buyer could try to outrun the huge crowd heading to the strike. 3 people couldn't keep the secret for a couple of hours. Really, if you want to keep a secret, you can't trust anyone, including family.

[@DarkZoma]

@@ceoatcrystalsoft4942 People like to gossip. Maybe it's a need to appear interesting by talking about events happening around you.

[@YetiUprising]

Wouldn't you also say tipping in lottery tickets implies either you want the person to win or you don't believe they will and are just trying to bypass tipping with "useless" paper?

[@EmperorOfMan]

Exactly. No one in their right mind would give out a ticket if they thought it would be a winner. Cheapo way to self justify a $1 tip on your meal.

[@novaiscool1]

@@EmperorOfMan it's even worse than that, the big prize tickets like this cost upwards of $5 meaning that you had $5 that you could have given them instead of a worthless piece of paper.

[@jennw6809]

Precisely, most of the time leaving a lottery ticket is no tip at all!

[@dustyfox6511]

Before discovering the ticket it is a winning ticket, the value of the ticket would only be the price of purchase.

[@warriorwaitress7690]

This thread is restoring some of my faith in humanity, thanks everyone for understanding what a - what's the legal term again? - oh yes, what a d*** move this is. Y'all rock! For anyone else reading through, please don't tip your servers with lottery tickets. We hate that. To us it's like, after spending roughly an hour tending to your every need with a smile, you've just "rewarded" us with a useless piece of paper that can't even go in the recycling bin if it's a scratch off, and then we're expected to say thank you. If you really want to reward good service, please consider tipping in cash. In the age of 90% electronic transactions, we ALL like being tipped with cash and will very likely prioritize regular customers who tip in cash. I have a regular who gives me a $100 bill and a fifth of liquor once a year around the holidays. She leaves 20-25% cash tips the rest of the time. All year round whenever she walks in, I make sure that her usual order is already on the grill before she's even been seated, and her needs always jump to the top of my list over everyone else's in my section. She could even be seated in someone else's section and she still gets top priority from me. BTW, even the restaurant owner likes it when people tip in cash because then they don't have to pay the percentage it costs them for credit card transactions. Even a small restaurant that employs maybe 4 or 5 servers ends up paying tens of thousands of dollars annually just for the credit card fees on gratuities alone, although many restaurant owners pass this cost on to the servers via paycheck deductions.

[@xxllamaborrachaxx9374]

As a non-native English speaker, I just wanna express my appreciation of the fact that this guy actually bothers to clarify the meanings of frequently used abreviatuons, like "irl". It would've been extremely helpful to me back when I was still just starting to learn English if I had encountered more peeps like that.

[@bucket4255]

It can sometimes be confusing for a native speaker when someone busts out with that OUDFJAKSDJFGASDFOUJIFNDSFSD abbreviation.

[@stoningupper]

@@bucket4255 lol there are just way too many these days

[@FlyingTofu]

@@bucket4255 LMAOHDYNKETM😭😭😂😂

[@johncloois3301]

Your English is much better than most who have English as a first language.

[@bucket4255]

@@johncloois3301 That is definitely true.

[@HeartFeathers]

Can we be horrified for a second by how it's legal for an employer to give out personal information to stalkers/abusers?

[@Neurotik51]

What does this have to do with stalkers/abusers? This bar patron is neither according to this story...

[@eddie9753]

@@Neurotik51 what do you even mean? this old creep is a stalker... tracking her work schedule and is 40 years older than her. the person that commented on this is saying in the event someone is an abuser, it's horrifying that giving out an employees personal info can be done without any legal punishment

[@Xineal]

@@Neurotik51 Even if he isn't, theres no way for an employer to tell how the patron might have escalated the situation. It was absolutely inappropriate and should be illegal.

[@DirtyPrancing]

It only is so long as nothing happens. If they gave an employee's schedule or address and something happened, they would absolutely be liable NAL

[@seanbeahn6895]

The saddest part is that the government is reactive not preventative. So it's going to take someone getting hurt/killed for this to change unfortunately.

[@KingoftheJuice18]

Her former manager: "Hmm, should I give out her personal email to someone trying to harass her, or risk losing one customer? Well, in America they say the customer is always right, so...."

[@idontgetthejoke4813]

"What happened to the customer is always right" "Well we were on a really good streak of that until you came along"

[@KingoftheJuice18]

@@idontgetthejoke4813 Much better response.

[@locutus94]

You know who came up with the saying "the customer is always right"? A customer...

[@KingoftheJuice18]

@@locutus94 Or businessmen who put profit ahead of most everything else.

[@AstraFulminous]

"Assume that the customer is right until it is plain beyond all question he is not."

[@dorothyyoung8231]

Tangentially, thanks for standing up for all the service folks (usually women) who get hit on by customers. You are spot-on, and I appreciate you saying this.

[@obnoxiouslycharming6543]

I have had waiters specifically have to write their number down or tell me they're hitting on me because I refuse to believe a waitress or customer rep was hitting on me lol

[@juliarunn5009]

@OhioStateTexan that would’ve been epic to watch her beat the crap outta that perv. She sounds like an super cool person

[@pas9ify]

@Dorothy Young I could not agree more! It is a scourge in our culture, not just for service people but for women everywhere, that these UTTER PATHETIC LOSERS will not leave them alone & let them walk the streets safely & in peace! Damn it!

[@neondeath07]

I feel keeping tipping fosters the toxic culture those wholes live in. No dude, just because the young female server smiled at your dumb dad joke doesn't mean she wants you. It means she's trying to make this months rent/car payment/Rx. I'm sure if she's interested, **she'd let you know**. I feel so gross hanging around guys that are like that (hanging around by outside force not by choice). I've made comments back trying to show them they were the problem not the woman/customer service person. I'd say more as a patron if I wasn't a short disabled dude.

[@wizardtim8573]

@@neondeath07 That's a good point, actually. Leaving tips may seem like an unspoken agreement between patron and server (solely to the patron). I've already seen one commenter here saying the tip is meant to be a bribe to ensure good service, if that were the case than it would happen *before* the service was given, not after. It's *suppose* to be gratuity, as in "thanks for doing the thing! Here's the voluntarily offered real value of the service!". Now it's in some sort of limbo where it's treated as a required part of the transaction by the manager, as a necessity by the server, and optional by the patron. And now I have to consider it as a potential bribe to the server for "extra services". I hate people. I just give 20% and leave as clean and tidy a table as possible.

[@kismet0819]

I’m gonna go out on a limb and say anyone who tips with a lottery ticket is essentially stiffing the server. They deserve no grace

[@PoochieCollins]

It depends if the cost of the tickets are at least as much as the cash equivalent to what's otherwise tipped (and the quality of service). E.g. if the standard tip for the circumstance was $10, and I was tipped $12 worth of lottery tickets, I wouldn't complain.

[@bobbyfeet2240]

@@PoochieCollins Really? You should. Unless he KNEW she would have bought the lottery tickets anyway, he's not giving her something she was wanting. Cash is liquid, it can be exchanged for all manner of goods and services. Lottery tickets are very specific and unless the recipient wanted them anyway, they're not at all equivalent to cash.

[@PoochieCollins]

@@bobbyfeet2240 : tips are voluntary. Someone who's offended by getting more than the standard cash equivalent tip in lottery tickets should either become a better server so they get better tips, or leave and let someone else who needs the job more take it.

[@mrbonlino]

@@PoochieCollins so, it's fine to work at your current job, and then your boss pays you your wage in lottery tickets, hm?

[@PoochieCollins]

@@mrbonlino : it depends on the EV of the lottery tickets, and what my cash alternative is. Otherwise you glossed over my last post where I said that tips are voluntary.

[@nodsib]

I can't believe an employer would think it's ok to give out contact information without first asking, especially young woman's info to a guy.

[@NuncNuncNuncNunc]

My guess is that the owner was mad because he also did not get any of the money.

[@psyolytesaille]

After hearing that I automatically believed they hate women.

[@TesserId]

And a bar. Seriously, I've met too many turds who hit on bar maids. I wouldn't give him anything without a court order.

[@Thehouseoffail]

@@TesserId I have literally never heard someone use bar maids unironically.

[@willygonutz2032]

@@NuncNuncNuncNunc I'm from Australia, how much $$$ are we talking about roughly. She said 3 months, pretty good wages, prob casual or part time. Any idea?.

[@TheDanaYiShow]

"people don't often write down contracts, which keeps lawyers employed" LOL

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

That was the first thing my first ever private client said to me. He HAD written the contract... but he didn't have a lawyer write it and the dispute became as to whether or not the title was part of the contract, among other minutia.

[@Maninawig]

Even TV judges have admitted this fact.

[@ghaznavid]

I'm an accountant, and a lawyer friend once told me that he'd go out of business if accountants stopped drafting their own legal agreements!

[@iain3482]

Verbal contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on...

[@Maninawig]

@@iain3482 I hope that was a joke, but I am sometimes confused by sarcasm

[@stephwiller9089]

I would say he was harassing her before the lottery ticket, so theoretically he could be a dangerous stalker and her boss just gave him means to continue to harass her.

[@julianakarasawa315]

This

[@RickJaeger]

_Theoretical_ is right.

[@hamtart6572]

@@RickJaeger theoretically, the human organism develops a sense of empathy for their fellow beings around 7 of age. Theoretically...

[@bucket4255]

@@hamtart6572 Theoretically, although sadly in the tundra known as "reality", many human organisms never develop this almost mystical sense of empathy for fellow humans.

[@grahamvandyke]

Imagine being such a crappy person you stiff servers because you're that cheap, and then when they actually get something out of it you sue them.

[@blacklightredlight2945]

Imagine living in a society that worships the dollar so much, they'd do something like this.

[@LucaxCorp]

@@blacklightredlight2945 - Get off your cringe medicine before you overdose ya Joker wannabe.

[@blacklightredlight2945]

@@LucaxCorp Lol

[@TunaBagels]

I think the kind of person who sucks enough to tip in lottery tickets is the kind of person who sucks enough to sue you for winning the lottery

[@kurtpunchesthings2411]

@@TunaBagels honestly

[@ChivesPotato]

Here’s an idea, how about you just tip real cash rather than a most likely worthless lottery ticket

[@itsd0nk]

Missed opportunity to say “here’s a tip:”

[@Techydad]

Of course, better yet, we should pay servers enough that customers don't need to tip at all. Tipping culture needs to go away, but unfortunately it can't until those currently being tipped have their salaries increased.

[@deanfranz]

...or maybe just normalize the business model that doesn't necessitate tips at all. If your employees are working such a low wage that has them dependent upon tips to survive, then your business model quite frankly sucks, and you're only kicking the can down the road that it justifiably deserves to go under with only yourself as the employer to blame.

[@EvilishDem0nic8732WhatItDo]

Lottery ticket can be a free ticket and the ticket that follows is the gold mine

[@WolfgangDoW]

Bonus fun fact: our brains see tips and bribes as basically the same. Tipping culture massively increases bribery culture

[@greekchick104]

"don't mistake their professional courtesy for genuine interest" THANK YOU. As someone who's worked a customer service job and has been hit on while on the clock by customers, this statement is so true! Whether it's a bartender, cashier, waitress, etc, it's literally our job to be nice. Don't think that just because we are being nice and laughing at a joke that probably isn't all that funny we are interested in you.

[@marlond5579]

not that its an excuse, but the alienation inherent in modern society means the two are very often confused.

[@YingofDarkness]

@@marlond5579 It should be common sense though. A person working any customer service job is going to be nice (for the most part) because that is literally part of their job description. You should never interpret it as romantic.

[@theAverageJoe25]

@Yusuf Sanane um repeated unwanted advances Is called sexual harassment, which if you are somehow to dumb to know is a bad thing

[@evarchavex4800]

@Yusuf Sanane Congratulations on outing yourself as most likely an incel.

[@Boby9333]

@Yusuf Sanane No. This kind of behavior shouldn't accepted at work. I had unwanted advances from a female manager, regardless of the fact that she wasn't my type, since she's my manager she have power over me and this is unacceptable in a work environment.

[@evilsharkey8954]

Despite what 80’s movies may tell you, repeatedly asking someone out in the face of “no” is not only not romantic and usually creepy but also sometimes sexual harassment.

[@toshineon]

Isn't asking someone out always considered sexual harassment? Unless it's someone you already know, of course.

[@evilsharkey8954]

@@toshineon, no. By law and most corporate policies, it doesn’t become harassment until you ask repeatedly after they’ve told you they’re not interested and/or asked you to stop. It’s not illegal to ask someone out (though some corporate policies don’t allow intra-office dating to avoid drama and potential harassment accusations), but continuing after someone has made it clear they are not interested crosses into harassment. If someone changes their mind, they’ll let you know.

[@Professional_Youtube_Commenter]

He tipped with scratchcards in the past, most of the times it amounted to nothing, so he didn't pay any tips for ages. Consider that debt repaid.

[@beastwarsFTW]

Actually by that logic if he wants half the lottery money then he owes half the price of those scratchcards he used as tips, not just to the woman he's trying to take money from but everyone he's ever tipped with a scratchcard. Those things are like ten dollars where I live so why did he tip with them?

[@129das]

As it is a scratch card it likely like 10K to 30K could even been like 5K so not big big money

[@Fifa-di4wk]

You never have to tip someone it’s optional

[@Professional_Youtube_Commenter]

@@Fifa-di4wk no, tip is mandatory. in fact loads of restaurants you have to give 15% tip on top of the bill.

[@potato-whiz]

@@Professional_KZbin_Commenter Not in the US. Tips are optional. You're not required to tip.

[@my3dviews]

If you give someone a lottery ticket, you are giving them any money that comes from that ticket winning. You no longer own it.

[@blacklightredlight2945]

In my short stint waitressing, there's a decent chance she actually owes a split to the other workers.

[@my3dviews]

@@blacklightredlight2945 It would depend on whether or not tips were split before where she worked. The rules vary a fair bit from place to place. They would also probably have to fight it in court if she didn't offer it to them. That could be costly for workers who don't have a lot of money to spend on legal fees.

[@flixs1353]

I would she them to if they got millions but they only got thousands he's cheap

[@my3dviews]

@@flixs1353 Not sure what you are saying.

[@LucaxCorp]

@@my3dviews - He’s saying he’s also a PoS.

[@rileymcphee9429]

Just so we're clear, this man had no intention of giving her any legitimate tip. He only gave her tickets he thought were worthless and demanded them back when they weren't. His behavior also indicates he sees the relationship as a transaction of ownership. The repeated solicitation of romantic encounters after tipping, followed by the assumption that she would return the money he payed her, wreaks of entitlement and misogyny.

[@roflmatol]

*reeks

[@gamestheysubmitted2239]

Yes, or for women, Tuesday.

[@pachidermo]

Welcome to the world of women working in the restaurant business!

[@rafaellima381]

Is anyone even going to poinnt the fact she said "the prize was 3 months of salary" 3 months of salary for a WAITER is way LOWER than any LAWYER will ask to even open the door of his office.... noone will file a lawsuit for a 3 thousand dollars because, TO OPEN A LAWSUIT HAS COSTS. lawyers and even COURT COSTS [yeah you need to pay the justice], also the time you spend in such a waste of time has a cost, being in the courtroom has a cost... soo all this work and costs to MAYBE get 1500 dolars split? only a dumb, with a cousin that recently graduated to law school and has no real work, will file a petition for that. There is a principle of "worth of courtroom"... it is no law is just basic comon sense that noone will file a lawsuit if the total sum of values will be less than the cost of the legal process... In brazil the judge might even reject the case BEFOREHAND if he sees that it wont even pay the costs of his "time" of work so it is normal that a teenager that recently finished the school didn't know about that... but how WOULD A LAWYER WITH AN KZbin CHANNEL AND MAKING FUN OF PEOPLE ON REDDIT DIDN'T EVEN PAY ATTENTION ON THAT? OOOOOO YEAH,,, MAYBE LAWYERS ON KZbin ARE AS GOOD AS CAVEMEN

[@Zoreta]

@@rafaellima381 Small claims court exists

[@katymvt]

So, basically this guy stiffs her in tips for years and then when it finally pays off he wants it back. Who tips in lottery tickets? That's fine if it's extra, but it's not OK in lieu of cash.

[@rachelroyce8494]

Had a regular who worked as the general manager at a movie theater and he would tip in free rain pass tickets instead of cash. He would ask if you preferred cash instead of tickets, but we always took the tickets cause it was an easy $30 value. Tips don’t have to be cash, but they should at least be something of value

[@katymvt]

@@rachelroyce8494 But those passes had value. Lottery tickets don't unless they happen to be winners.

[@isoroxuk]

Tipping is not OK, it provides perverse balance of power where the one with no power (the waitress) is fully at the mercy of the old man. Pay your staff the right amount, charge the right amount, and dont have tips.

[@John-tr5hn]

Classless scumbags, that's who.

[@adde9506]

@@isoroxuk Hun, we'd love that, but it ain't the reality of the situation. The waitress does have power, the customer has no control over what happens to their food before it gets to the table, it you repeatedly stiff the same waitress, you better start getting concerned that something bad is going to happen to your meal. And it doesn't have to be something nasty from a movie, they could have it overcooked, undercooked, way too spicy, let if get cold, straight up the wrong thing, top shelf liquor... and you are stuck paying for it. Be nice to your server or suffer the consequences, whether tipping is a thing or not.

[@TheBlahblah86]

What a weird promise. "If you win, you owe me a truck, even though I could have just kept the ticket and bought myself the truck."

[@fos1451]

He didn’t think he would win but already planning for what if scenario, tbh, I think if he makes it clear that he wants the truck if the one he tips won, I didn’t see anything wrong with giving him the truck

[@jessecarliner7733]

@@fos1451 Impossible to know what was actually said, but apparently he lied about the precondition of getting a truck as part of the winnings as a wedge to claim there was a breach of verbal contract.

[@Warrior_Culture]

@@jessecarliner7733 Unless there was a witness, I highly doubt claiming a verbal contract on a tip is going to fly in court. And i even more seriously doubt that a verbal contract was made, since no waitress in their right mind would actually want tickets as a tip, nor would any man (in their right mind) be trying to romance a waitress by giving her tickets. So while it might be impossible to know what was actually said, every single piece of evidence, context, and "normal behavior' (which is actually taken into account by a court) points to this guy just being a greedy prick.

[@jessecarliner7733]

@@Warrior_Culture I think it was his overall behavior that lost him the case. Even if in reality there was a promise of a truck, going for the millions lost him any credibility.

[@HolidLove]

My Reddit legal advice: should you end up hitting a jackpot on a ticket that was given to you as a tip, and you feel compelled to tell others about your windfall, DO NOT MENTION WHERE YOU GOT THE WINNING TICKET.

[@Ananamitron]

Or just don't tell anyone at all. If I ever won money, no one would know.

[@thexalon]

Yeah, my general advice for people who suddenly get a big pile of cash: 1. Keep yer mouth shut about it. 2. No, really, don't tell anybody. 3. Really, don't tell ANYBODY - not friends, not relatives, maybe your spouse provided they can be trusted to follow rules 1-3 - until you've done the next step. 4. If it's a lot a lot of money, sit down with professionals like a lotto lawyer and/or financial planner to figure out a plan of how you're going to use the money. Most of the time, you should assume that you're not going to get it all at once, and even if you are you shouldn't plan to spend it or give it away all at once. I'd also recommend avoiding being identified in news stories about it, as much as you possibly can.

[@insane_troll]

It wasn't even the jackpot. It was only about 1/4 of a year's wages for a bartender, so not much money at all.

[@jasonmicron]

@@Ananamitron Well this was just a scratch-off. But yea, large jackpots like the Powerball or something - shhhhhhh, never tell anyone. Claim anonymously, and always do the lump sum.

[@cynthiasimpson931]

@@thexalon My dad won a small amount with a lottery ticket (less than $100) and he told me I was the only one he told; he didn't even tell his wife. I know what would have happened if he'd told his wife - she would have told her freeloading daughters about it, and they'd have wanted her to share the money with them. Now, if I win any money, the only one to hear about it will be my husband, who can absolutely be trusted not to blab.

[@VaSoapman]

1:15 A good rule of thumb.... Don't flirt with someone who can't leave.

[@Mecharnie_Dobbs]

Does that include co-workers?

[@harleehall2032]

@@Mecharnie_Dobbs yes if you want to flirt with co-workers do it after their shift. Because doing that on the clock is how you get complaints to HR. I would know guys have tried to do this to me on the clock I can't leave and were working together so it is difficult to respond in a way that lets them know I am 100% not interested.

[@stuff4812]

@@harleehall2032 Lie and tell them your in a relationship and if they continue just murder them (joking, complain is what i meant)

[@harleehall2032]

@@stuff4812 no no I think you had right in the first half (jk)

[@harleehall2032]

@@ichijofestival2576 how so?

[@BboyFlimsy]

With all the losing tickets considered, the man basically never tipped. A winning ticket is just back pay at a certain point. Not legally speaking of course, just making a point at what a jackass the customer was.

[@ChibiHoshiDragon]

Wouldn't the previous wins of the small wins that he never tried to collect half constitute evidence that he never entered into a split agreement?

[@ericaschaidt8588]

Fair point. I hadn’t thought about it that way till I read your comment.

[@Insertia_Nameia]

Exactly what I was thinking.

[@andrewstudley234]

Conversely, if she did give him something out of any previous ticket, that's one of the facts that would make her case a lot more complicated.

[@QUEERVEEART]

Man I feel bad for that bartender. She just trying to live her best life but Brent wants to sue her cause he thinks he's entitled

[@mamluk]

Welcome to America, land of the 'Entitled'

[@TesserId]

Seems to me that leaving lottery tickets for tips is super tacky. ~~ And, then he comes back using legal threats to bully her out a portion of the winnings. ~~ I hope they get sanctioned for a frivolous lawsuit. ~~ OMG, this reply got upvoted within a minute of being posted LOL.

[@joachimschoder]

@@cat-le1hf Hopefully the court orders a kick in the balls with golf shoes.

[@ourgreatsociety4965]

He may be entitled if he has mesothelioma.

[@QUEERVEEART]

@@pasteldonut6454 yea that too. the manager sucks too

[@Scampcam]

It's a tip. How does he think he's owed anything? Would he ask for his change from a tip a week after giving a dollar?

[@chriswedemann8599]

Jusging from his actions as it is, it wouldn't surprise me if he did.

[@kellylyons1038]

He wouldnt tip a dollar in the first place so no

[@soundninja99]

We should split your interest earnings 50/50

[@Scampcam]

@@ichijofestival2576 Sucks for the guy, cuz definition of gift is "a thing given willingly to someone without payment; a present."

[@MrCaptainTea]

@@Scampcam I’m glad he didn’t get it. He obviously didn’t deserve it.

[@Antifrost]

The thing I'm learning today is that apparently some people think it's okay to tip people with lottery tickets like that's a normal thing to do

[@nikos4677]

tipping is not a normal thing to do(never happens)let alone tipping a lottery.

[@ArtemisTaurus]

@@nikos4677 In the U.S. you always tip the servers in the restaurant, they don't usually make minimum wage so tips help them make some more money, it's about 10% sometimes less if the service isn't that great.

[@nikos4677]

@@ArtemisTaurus i highly doubt that because its illegal and you imply that most employers are violating the law which cleary doesnt happen

[@ArtemisTaurus]

@@nikos4677 In my state people tip the wait staff all the time.

[@extrastuff9463]

@@nikos4677 They do have that weird system out there where in federal law at least tipped employees have a lower minimum wage as exception. Something stupid like $2 per hour if I'm not mistaken, I do hope there are states out there overriding this federal minimum with a more sane amount closer to the normal minimum wage.

[@dangee9]

Every time I listen to stories from workers in America, I appreciate the GDPR and employee rights in Europe so much more.

[@ArDeeMee]

Yup. An employer giving out private information to some rando is all but unheard of here…

[@ShortHax]

“This is what we call in the legal profession a total -- move.” Ah, now I can go to all of my friends and pretend I’m a lawyer

[@Weird04Life]

Why do i see you everywhere

[@badelementofstyle5238]

With the addition of a Rick & Morty reference

[@namelia4439]

😅😂🤣‼️‼️

[@crashandsideburns]

“Objection, your honour!” “On what grounds?” “It’s a dick move.”

[@wesleyoldham-cartoonsandtv1962]

@@crashandsideburns Judge: "Sustained!" Opposing council: "But your honor-" Judge: "I said SUSTAINED! One more word out of you and I'll hold you in contempt." Opposing council: "That would be a dick move."

[@thatonewriter8043]

Suing over the winning just highlights the real reason for tipping lottery tickets: a $5 scratcher is cheaper than a $10 tip, but they can *act* like it's more generous because there's a slight chance that you'll win significantly more. "That might be half a million bucks right there, so remember where it came from if you win, heh heh."

[@DT-dc4br]

Waitress should countersue for all the times the scratcher was a dud!

[@guillermo3564]

@@DT-dc4br she should go a step further and sue him for sexual harassment.

[@e22ddie46]

And because they have a gambling issue, they convince themselves everyone else thinks they have a chance to win.

[@babablacksheepdog]

It is ridiculous for someone to tip with a scratch card or lottery ticket. It's essentially a non-tip and a screw you to the waiter (especially in the US, where wait staff depend on tips to make decent wages). The chance of winning is tiny, so you might as well be tipping with a blank piece of paper. And judging by the reaction of the patron to the waitress winning (a few thousand dollars, as I understand it), he never actually expected her to win anything.

[@Vohlfied]

"We recommend a 20% tip." "I brought Schrodinger's Cat."

[@johnfrancis0063]

I say 50/50

[@jetison333]

"but I brought Schrodinger's Cat but I sealed the box really well so the cats probably dead of asphyxiation anyway"

[@EricK-tb2dn]

"Turns out the cat is alive, I'll take half"

[@haroon420]

50/50 odds? I’ll take that over a scratch ticket!

[@gamestheysubmitted2239]

@@haroon420 If you don't open the box you win by default.

[@heathern6737]

Reminds me of my coworker. I collected losing scratch-offs to turn in the codes for points that I could then turn in for prizes. The coworker (lets call her Pam) started giving me her scratch-offs and made the comment that if any of them were in fact winners we would split them. Apparently she was too lazy to walk the fifteen feet from her register to scan the tickets to see if she won. ANYWAY.... I get a bunch of tickets from her, go home and upload the codes only to find there is a $3 winner among the losers. So the next day I go in, cash the ticket in and go hand her the $1.50 she won. Pam gets all snippy with me wanting to know where the rest of it is. I remind her that we agreed to split any winnings if I found a winner among the losers. She says "No, we didn't!" and gets even more snippy with me. I'm like "Whatever." and walk away. She never speaks to me again but if that's how she acts over a freaking dollar and fifty cents.... I'm better off!

[@pkmnfrk]

Clearly she meant that you would split winnings 99/1. Imagine being that petty smh

[@ArDeeMee]

Dodged a bullet there. It’s her loss, for turning away an honest friend.

[@heathern6737]

@@ArDeeMee You're right. A lesser person would have kept the $3 but I wasn't raised that way. One time I was short about a dollar when buying some stuff and one of my coworkers gave me the dollar. I told her I would give it back to her the next day and she was like "Don't worry about it." The next day, after I clocked in I went and found her and gave her the dollar back. She was like "You really didn't need to do that." but I told her I borrowed a dollar and now I'm returning it.

[@bonononchev634]

The story is double-anger-inducing - first, he stiffing the waitress for tips for years, which is a dick move in itself, and then sues her for winning from a ticket she owns. An unstoppable meme...

[@victoriashevlin8587]

On top of being a total creep for the entire time. Calling up to get her work schedule, even knowing she wasn't interested after being turned down repeatedly? Knowing she couldn't avoid him if he came on during her shift? Doesn't matter that he was 40 years older or not. NONE OF THIS IS OK.

[@eddie9753]

@@victoriashevlin8587 anddd thats why I hate men

[@NaudVanDalen]

If she didn't quit that terrible job, he'd stiff her forever until she quit or he died.

[@kylejohnson3889]

@@eddie9753 not all guys are like that ya know.

[@eddie9753]

@@kylejohnson3889 not shit but men predominantly do this type of predatory behavior, we live in a society that allows this. I don’t literally hate all men

[@MastaDJMax]

Expected a video about how absurd and completely unreasonable it was to expect someone to return a gift, saw a video on how ridiculously nonsensical the American legal system is... Just to point out, if a manager anywhere in EU shared employee's private email address with a customer, they would be in several layers of legal hell.

[@TenaciousToucan]

Yep. Completely ridiculous how an employer giving out your email address when you clearly don't want to is not seen as an outrageous action. You give them your email work not for other uses.

[@MastaDJMax]

@@TenaciousToucan pretty much. My guess is that the employer did that to avoid having to deal with a lawsuit themselves.

[@meneldal]

@Philip L Tite I believe in the US you're most likely to win with the sexual harassment claim, it should be relatively easily to have people corroborate that that guy was always asking out the server, proving a pattern a previous rejected advances.

[@katyungodly]

So he essentially leaves no tip for months, then when it turns out to be worth anything, he wants it back. How about just leaving actual tips instead 🙄

[@lamzaks112]

As a eastern european im confused, why leave tips at all? You order something and you pay for it, why should i hand out money to the waitress? And for what, for doing their job?

[@cl6874]

@@lamzaks112 Restaurants in America are not required to pay their employees a living wage (like $2 an hour), so they have to make up the difference in tips. What tips waiters DO get, also have to be paid out at the end of the night to busboys, bartenders, etc. So if you eat without leaving a tip, the waiter actually might have to pay out even so, so it's an especially shitty move to do that. If you eat out, it's expected you leave a 20% tip.

[@rhov-anion]

@@cl6874 This is why my mom, who managed a restaurant, told us kids "You can work in any job you want, but never, ever, EVER work in the food industry!"

[@Boby9333]

IDK about the US but here in Canada it's common for waitress to earn more money with their wage+tips than busboys, cooks etc. The main argument I see to keep this "tradition" is because you reward "good service" but I think this is bad reasoning on so many level. -First only a minority of "service job" do get tipped. eg: barmaid vs a McDonald cashier, they both serve you your meal/drink yet one get tipped but not the other. -Second, many restaurant employ busboy but don't share tips even if the busboy's job is to prepare the table for the next client allowing the waitress to have more clients. -Third, tips are heavily dependent on the waitress appearance & manner. A costumer can be rude or outright be indecent like harassing or groping a waitress and if she dare to do something about it then it can easily lead to little to no tips. -Fourth, a tip can easily depend on the overall quality of experience, a bad meal can lead to a lower tip and a waitress have no power over the quality of the meal. -Fifth, depending on the restaurant & tip sharing, a waitress can earn more than than cooks which is stupid, this most often occur in medium priced restaurants where cooks are often require to have some education or good experience beforehand. I've never understood the reasoning behind tipping. Exceptionally good service will often result in the client giving a gift/better tip regardless if the industry/job is one where everyone is expected to tip. Teacher will sometime receive gifts because the parents like them, courier/mailman too if the client like them etc. I'm pretty sure if we get away from tipping, regular clients who get the same waiter/waitress will still tip just because they really appreciate the person giving them a service.

[@lelnel6242]

@@lamzaks112 You must live in a non-tourist Eastern European country then. As a Eastern European myself, I can say that I have never met a server who didn't enjoy and complain about tourist season at the same time. They couldn't wait to get a German's pocket exchange (which could buy one lunch or a night out drinking) but still complain about all the work they need to do. While still being paid a normal wage

[@h077y]

In the U.K. I’m pretty certain giving out data like the employee’s email is definitely illegal, especially under the new GDPR law

[@khipksy1888]

Is it still valid in UK? Seeing that its an EU law.

[@aim-to-misbehave5674]

GDPR is still valid in the UK, with some tweaks here and here, but now it's called "UK GDPR" because our government wanted to feel ✨special✨ Specifically, GDPR was implemented in the UK as the Data Protection Act 2018, which is still enforced. The differences between UK-GDPR and EU-GDPR is mostly that the UK is now considered a "third country" for EU-GDPR purposes (I interact tangentially with GDPR through work and got a talk on how it'll change (not much) when we Officially Left in 2021, but I'm probably forgetting some details)

[@nicholasayres3265]

Yes it is illegal still in the UK, but could disappear anytime the Tory "Abuse the People" Party wants to.. Doesn't Brexit suck - lots of excellent stuff comes from the EU and we will no longer get it. Rejoin the EU!

[@jasonhatt4295]

That’s crazy! Who tips with a lottery ticket!? If you do, stop doing that and just give cash instead, it saves you the trouble of buying a lottery ticket that you aren’t gonna keep

[@MuttFitness]

Lottery ticket is probably cheaper than the tip he should have given

[@bigmike-]

@@MuttFitness This is really why these sorts of folks do it.

[@ameliecarre4783]

It's tipping cheap but feeling better about himself for the fighting chance the ticket might be a winning one, 'xept if it is he'll come back for it. What's the psychology here? It's as interesting to study as the legal implications.

[@paulsieben9718]

Is that just a US thing? Does someone know more? I’ve never heard of tipping with lottery tickets and wanted to find out more about this hilariously dumb practice , but google just gives me articles from *cough* quality news outlets titled „bartender wins “

[@MuttFitness]

@@paulsieben9718 it's a jerk thing

[@ericaschner3283]

So give someone no tip for months, then when you accidentally leave a $10k you demand half of it or threaten to sue them causing them to spend the entire amount on lawyers and keep nothing. Cool guy.

[@pierregibson6699]

While trying to date her😂

[@seansmagee]

That’ll convince her to go out with him!

[@RandomMage675]

They could end up with a date in court.

[@thegorgon7063]

Well I'd say the guy was expecting the winning card story would have a "happy ending" or a date at least.

[@ejonp]

Not that she ever would have gone out with this tool, but leaving lottery tickets instead of money certainly didn't help his case. Jeez!

[@ktvindicare]

Eh it depends. I don't like getting tipped in lottery tickets either but the main reason I don't is because we always pool our tips in house and if there's lottery tickets involved we tend to just ignore them and treat them as worthless. If one of us did get tipped a big winner like this it would be so tricky to figure out how that would be shared or if it should even be shared at all. So the main reason I don't like lottery ticket tips is because they needlessly complicate our in house pooling system which otherwise works fine.

[@ejonp]

@@ktvindicare Like he said in the video, pooled tips can really complicate the lottery thing. Probably best to have a written policy about it, in the unlikely event something like this happens :)

[@ktvindicare]

@@ejonp Yea I know. The point is, if i was working in an unpooled environment like it sounds like this bartender was then I'd probably me more ok with them. Still wouldn't prefer them but still. I like the idea of a pooled house anyway, it's much more fair to everyone so I always look to work at spots that pool tips in the first place.

[@ktvindicare]

@Patrick J Mims The place I worked at had 5-8 bartenders working over the course of a busy Friday or Saturday. 2 openers 3 closers 2-3 swing shift bartenders. Slower nights like Mondays would have usually 4 people on. 2 openers 2 closers. For us it only made sense to pool tips. We worked the entire bar, did our own barbacking, ran our own food, opened and closed the place ourselves. There was never any animosity about who was going to serve customers and who was going to rack glassware because it was the shared role we all had. In other restaurants. The bartender gets tipped out from the servers because a large part of the bill ends up being from the bar and requires the bartender's time and energy to work. Pooled tips, also reduces animosity between staff members over which shifts they get. If I'm opening the bar, I'm going to make sure the closing shift has everything they need because the more money they make the more I make. Having worked in this environment for as many years as I did, I love it. It makes for a more enjoyable work atmosphere, the bar runs better because people arent sacrificing their coworkers to chase a tip and it makes the customers happier because they get better service as well.

[@Boby9333]

@Patrick J Mims It depend on the restaurant. If there are busboy working & cleaning your table just so you, the waitress can get more costumer it would be unfair to not share tips with them. After all they're cleaning your table which give you more time to serve more table/costumers and thus get more tips. There's also the point ktvindicare bring. Sharing tips in this instance mean the opening shift will help the closing shift so both can get better tips. Personally I don't like the tipping tradition we have here in North America for various reason.

[@TheTheawesomeguy35]

If this dude was tipping exclusively in *LOSING* lottery tickets for 3 years, then the one that actually won probably just makes up for the rest of the tips tbh lmao

[@enochbooher6509]

LegalEagle: Don’t take legal advice from free internet sources Me (watching a free video that talks about law): Mhhh the irony

[@koro_kokoro]

Well unlike Reddit, he is a real lawyer

[@S1ipperyJim]

@@koro_kokoro and lawyers have never given bad legal advice ever

[@koro_kokoro]

@@S1ipperyJim better then the average idiot

[@devinpm]

He also specifically says that this isn't legal advice.

[@koro_kokoro]

@@devinpm true, but hes also a someone who actually understands the law more then people who would actually believe the myth that if you ask an undercover cop if they are a cop they have to say yes

[@seraphimvalkyrin4543]

The most disturbing part about this is the "probably about forty years my senior". As she is a bartender and just finishing school (most likely talking about college) I would assume she is in her 20's and that would make him in his 60's.....yeah, very creepy. And judging by the way he interacts with her a bit stalker-ish too.

[@pas9ify]

Do not agree that age has much to do with it -- same behavior from a younger man is not just creepy but scarier

[@vaiapatta8313]

I do hope that by "school" she means college; otherwise the creepy guy has MUCH more to worry about than the scratch ticket winnings...

[@pas9ify]

@@vaiapatta8313 No, she works in a bar and is in grade school. Doofus

[@vaiapatta8313]

@@pas9ify I obviously meant she could be 17 and finishing high school... not finishing grade school... the level of intelligence around here...

[@idontneedaname318]

@@vaiapatta8313 1) high school is considered grade school and 2) yea a 17 year old is working in a bar. doofus

[@lubintasevski5985]

lesson learned, if you receive a tip, accept it an never talk about the tip and subsequent uses of such tips. This is a case of saying to much to the wrong person gets you in legal trouble.

[@CuulX]

That is true if you suddenly gain a large sum of money by any means. If you win big on the lottery then stay silent, anonymous and hire a lawyer as quickly as you can without alerting anyone or it will ruin/destroy/kill you, your relationships and all the ones you care for...

[@EclecticFruit]

@@CuulX this is why I don't participate in lotteries. Well, I mean, besides it being a complete farce and waste of money.

[@rifwann]

Yeah.. any sum of money.. silence is golden after all.. what i used to hear is when people announce their big sum on their pension.. well, it never ended well for the big talker..

[@rickvath]

"This is what we call in the legal profession a 'total **** move'. It's also the same in bird culture" almost made me choke on my water. Well done, Sir.

[@jliller]

First, tipping or gifting lottery tickets is a terrible practice. I would rather you give me the dollar you spent on it because the vast majority of the time you've given me a worthless scrap of paper. Second, if you tip someone with cash and they invest that cash into the stock market or a business venture or purchasing their own lotto ticket would the tipper have legal right to any profit from said investment? The answering being obviously no, tipping with a lotto ticket would likewise have no legal right to any profit said ticket might produce. This lawsuit should be dismissed with prejudice and the person filing it, if accurately described, deserves...well, I'll plead the Fifth on that part.

[@teoteo3966]

"Sanctions"

[@Werrf1]

First, tipping -or gifting lottery tickets- is a terrible practice. FTFY.

[@wolphin732]

I totally agree with you on that! I never would tip a lottery ticket! I would hate to have a winning ticket and give it away... but I'm not stupid enough to think that a gift should entitle me to something that they got from the gift!

[@AbsoluteGorbSupreme]

They tip tickets because they are about 1 through like 5 dollars so it is a cheaper than a regular tip

[@anthonynorman7545]

@@Werrf1 we're in the system together, so individuals not tipping only causes the servers to suffer.

[@Restilia_ch]

This is about as reasonable as demanding a regular cash tip back after the server has spent it on a car payment. Not happening buddy.

[@EgyptinPrinssi]

Some days I am very happy to live in Finland. This is one of them. This could just never happen. From the giving away of their contact information (would never happen. Not only is it illegal, no one would ever do it. That's just weird imho. There are some instances where I can see it happen, but very rare and far between.) to suing for the scratch card winnings. None of it would fly.

[@macks2337]

it IS very rare and far between for any of this to happen anywhere

[@davidjorgensen877]

@@macks2337 You mean like the rarity of actually winning the lottery compared with the other 99.99999% who keep playing anyway?

[@macks2337]

@@davidjorgensen877 Yea

[@casusbelli9225]

In pretty much every country - from Canada to Russia, I believe, that old fart would be ridiculed and laughed at for the mere thought of suing for lottery ticket.

[@nathanisaac8172]

“Where large sums of money are concerned, it is advisable to trust nobody.” -Agatha Christie

[@LTCloud9]

"It is advisable to trust nobody" - Tha Stie

quick question. This bar patron is making threats and has acquired an email address, I am worried for this waitress. At what point would filing a restraining order be practical/sensible? because as this video shows, similar situations have escalated to dangerous levels before. If I were in her place I suspect I would be considering a restraining order (but I have never been in that situation so I don't really know)

[@naurrr]

I had this exact thought. scary. like what else could the manager have shared with this creepy customer?

[@matstornros7231]

What is described in the post isn't really anywhere near enough to get a restraining order. Block his email, block his phone number, and then if he shows up at her home multiple times she could try to get one.

[@feliz1443]

Had a guy threaten to slash my ties and it wasn't enough for one sadly

[@MicraHakkinen]

@@feliz1443 I hope he doesn't try to slash your ties while you're wearing them at least ;)

[@feliz1443]

@@MicraHakkinen lmao there goes the main piece for my Avril Lavigne Halloween costume...

[@Fley1965]

Well, that's the US. In Europe, email adresses are considered personal data, which may not be shared.

[@yukikitsune7366]

Every day I find more and more reasons to move to Europe.

[@Fley1965]

@@yukikitsune7366 Maybe you are not alone in these, the tickets at 12:06 are from Germany. :-)

[@doomse150]

@@Fley1965 Yup, even though I think that we sometimes overshoot the marks for protecting data by quite a bit (especially Germany), I'm still glad that it is such a well regulated topic

[@awrebyawe]

GDPR?

[@yukikitsune7366]

@@awrebyawe General Data Protection Regulation

[@stephenday2342]

This is why I just tip $10M instead of a cheap lottery ticket.

[@rrian8376]

Same

[@GastNdorf]

Conclusion: don't tip with lottery tickets, ever. That's stupid in the first place and worst case scenario you'll miss on a fortune

[@IronIsKing]

He tipped in lottery tickets because he was romantically interested in the waitress and basically wanted to make himself look so nice to give a ticket that gives you a chance to win thousands of dollars

[@Nictusempra]

@@IronIsKing and usually gives you a chance to win nothing at all, lol, so that saves money, dude was trying to be a cheapskate and it backfired

[@christineherrmann205]

What I got out of this: NEVER join a lottery pool.

[@genzo454]

And if you do, put it on paper

[@ceoatcrystalsoft4942]

You can but make sure to write who is involved

[@jessicataylor7174]

@@ceoatcrystalsoft4942 Nope, you make sure you're the one buying the tickets and ready to do a runner...he got 18m the rest of the group got a share of 20m 😲

[@robertjarman3703]

Maybe don´t do the lottery. It´s called a tax on those who are bad at math for a reason.

[@jessicataylor7174]

@@robertjarman3703 That makes sense on a very superficial level, but the lottery is not based on maths alone, but also on psychology and situation. The main purchasers of lottery tickets are those caught in the poverty trap (where saving is penalized but winning a large lump sum would get you out). The second largest purchaser is syndicates which plays on the fear of being left out. The UK's 'Postcode Lottery' literally bases its entire model on this. How would you feel if everyone in your street or everyone in your workplace won a lump sum and you were the only one with nothing to celebrate? For a few quid you can ensure you can prevent exclusion in that unlikely, but possible, event.

[@bensonprice4027]

Thank you for mentioning making analogous connections to previous court cases. I get the impression that 90% of cases are determined by some precedent before it and how well a lawyer can convince a judge or jury that this case is very similar to an earlier case.

[@Colopty]

Reminds me of that dude who decided to pay his employees in bitcoin, then once he realized those bitcoins had multiplied in value tried to demand them back and give the employees an amount of money equal to the bitcoins original value instead.

[@seansmagee]

Why was this dude paying his employers?

[@Colopty]

@@seansmagee Because E and R are next to each other on the keyboard and my hand coordination is shit.

[@GrumpyOldFart2]

@@Colopty 😂😂😂

[@Riku-zv5dk]

@@Colopty that will do it

[@melTiceTiger]

This is why it makes me nervous to get lotto tickets as christmas presents. The most I've ever won was $20, but there's a (very small) chance that it could be thousands/millions. If that was the case, if I decided to keep the full amount and not share with relatives, it could destroy the family if one of them feels entitled to any of the winnings. People don't think about lotto tickets before they give them away, and that worries me.

[@Romanticoutlaw]

what an absolute charmer; haranguing the bartender with unwanted advances, tipping in lotto tickets which will usually pay out with nothing, and then wanting his tip back when she wins the lotto. Is there precedent for trying to sue for a tip you gave? I feel like someone's probably overtipped in an attempt to flirt and then tried to get it back when they were turned down by now.

[@BCMSi]

^ I've seen this a few times, and once where after the guy screamed about it until the server was in tears he then went to the manager and attempted to claim the server had stolen the money from him and should be fired on the spot

[@pas9ify]

My roommate is an extremely nice person who would not hurt a fly. She works as a bartender & server different nights. On one occasion, a loud drinker who was with a group & buying drinks all around asked her for her number. The guy was there for maybe 2 hours, and oh yeah sure, here's my number, duh? Anyway, when she looked at the check, the large tip was scratched out & a smaller one substituted. IDK if maybe the American tipping system itself is broken, but also, and I have heard this from foreign women, the American male may be mostly broken.

[@pas9ify]

@@neondeath07 "Should" and "do" are 2 different things. I don't know you, but it sounds like a) you've never worked a service job and/or b) you are justifying either poverty or being a cheapskate. Servers work for tips in this country.

[@TouchTheStars]

@@pas9ify Dude read the whole post, the first few sentences can give the wrong idea but the person goes on to explain how they always tip no matter what they do

[@vituperation]

@@neondeath07 It's a little misleading to say that they get paid below minimum wage. If a server gets little or no tips, the employer is required to pay the difference to meet full minimum wage. But to be sure, the problem is that it moves the responsibility of ensuring fair pay is given to the employee who now has to verify and contest any discrepancies. I personally think tipping is a bad system that makes pay both unpredictable and difficult to monitor. But you'll be hard-pressed to find a tipped worker who would rather take regular minimum wage since tips allow them to earn above minimum (and you know they're underreporting tips in their taxes). The real solution is paying a livable wage. As for passing that cost to consumers? It already is. Directly. Through our arbitrary tip subsidies. Besides, we went from 15% being acceptable to 20% being the norm. How about that for inflation?

[@sisuguillam5109]

Me sitting in Europe safe in the knowledge that giving out contact details of staff is illegal...

[@Clone683]

Also we pay staff in the service industry a livable wage so they don't need tips in the first place

[@militustoica]

@@Clone683 I really wish we did both of these things. It’s a broken service culture. Sometimes, some employers take tips for the employees in a pool and use it to offset the amount they pay for a period so everyone makes bare minimum wage. It’s illegal, but common.

[@AjarTadpole7202]

I know where I'm going now

[@sisuguillam5109]

@@AjarTadpole7202 your welcome!

[@militustoica]

@@AjarTadpole7202 Seems like most of the Western world is in an anti-immigration backlash, sadly.

[@teoteo3966]

If you've ever worked in a bar or a restaurant you should know that anything you tell one person will eventually be known by all

[@terryedwards171]

Including the frequent customers.

[@kefkaZZZ]

And you have to ask how a longtime bartender did not know or appreciate this fact! Kitchens are high school with more knives and less supervision.

[@teoteo3966]

@@kefkaZZZ and bars are like preschools. There's always someone yelling for no reason, someone crying, half the people arent toilet trained, and there's puke in random places

[@carelsby]

A good thing to keep in mind (according to what I was told by my dad's former lawyer) never, ever EVER tell ANYONE you won money in the lottery, especially not someone that controls your income (i.e. your boss) Only tell someone if you share an income with them. like your spouse.

[@ironman2885]

Yeah I wouldn't tell my boss unless I was going to follow it up with "I quit" and a fairly lengthy explanation of how I really feel about him and why...

[@Bhargos]

Objection: Winning a meritless case by default seems like a really stupid law.

[@Robert_McGarry_Poems]

Welcome to the legal system, where pontification is more important than human life...

[@jmr5125]

I believe it is *possible* for a judge to dismiss a meritless case even the f the defendant fails to present a defense -- but it's much less likely.

[@hiimjustin8826]

not really

[@VoltCruelerz]

I think it's theoretically possible for the judge to dismiss it themselves, but without a defense explaining why the suit is nonsense, it's far less likely to happen.

[@freddy04123]

@@hiimjustin8826 what do you mean not really? It's absolutely insane to think that someone can win a MERITLESS lawsuit just because the other person didn't feel the need to defend themselves against said MERITLESS lawsuit. Again key here is MERITLESS meaning there's no legitimate basis for the lawsuit. Meaning if you win said lawsuit that's just insane because you have no basis for your claim.

[@nixon2tube]

Objection: The mans actions implied that he was paying the tickets for a service. As lots of others have mentioned, knowing that 99.9999% of the time, the tickets are worthless paper, he's already stiffing the bar tender. But to come back and demand winnings in the event that a ticket wasn't worthless flies in the face of his previous conduct of paying the ticket for the service rendered. This would be as if I went to a store and paid money for a product or service, and because I paid them twice what the product was worth, they were obligated to pay me half that money back just because I found out the store made a profit. I guess that's not so absurd as I've seen this mentality in action more than once.

[@lucasstalley2308]

But "Tips" are never a required part of the bill. the way I see it at least in American society you can give some money directly to the server for good work. You are never required to tip someone as payment for a good or service it's just something extra on top of the bill you had already paid. I don't the legal definition of tips when it comes to paying a bill but I doubt it is part of the good or service payment that you agree to pay when ordering food

[@nixon2tube]

@@lucasstalley2308 Tips are not required. But they are for a service provided. Not for the food, but for the wait staff to serve it to you. Just because you are not beholden to pay it doesn't change the meaning of why you do. The food vendor pays a small part, and then the diner pays the rest, theoretically based on the quality of that service. Are you aware that TIP= To insure proper service. Aka, the idea is you you tipped to get good (or better) service. I used to go to lunch with an older guy many years ago that would always pay his tip ahead of time. Guess he took that seriously.

[@sammykenny]

@@lucasstalley2308 It’s not really for “good work” and you should always tip, because tipped workers get paid much, much less on the premise that the tips will make up for the difference. Gotta save those corporations cash

[@Mallory-Malkovich]

When you leave someone a lottery ticket as a tip, you're basically leaving your server nothing at all most of the time. Ever thus to deadbeats.

[@ericaschaidt8588]

Though at least the lottery ticket *may* have some value. So they’re a lot better than when customers leave this religious tracts that look like money. 🤮

[@NRB10ful]

He was tipping a lotto ticket to be cheap. And it's not like she won that much, she said about three months pay so as a bartender I'd imagine it be anywhere from 1 to 3 grand.

[@nexinex5918]

Thats 6 month pay for me and i m in IT

[@ariellelillian8644]

Depends on where you're working. Those are Vegas prices. Midwest would be half that

[@bernlin2000]

That about how much I guessed...and they also mentioned this dude is much older than them. So why is 65+ year old wasting waning days fighting over what will likely end up being 5k or so after taxes. I make far less than 60K per year, and I wouldn't want to spend potentially years in litigation for such a paltry amount.

[@IronIsKing]

@@bernlin2000 they said 3 months pay after taxes

[@DragorElite]

That's two years pay for me wtf

[@macrussell78]

I know it's not exactly a note worthy case but that dude outted himself as a total POS.

[@gamerofstrategy]

The TL/DR is amazing

[@steveaustin2686]

I was Soo sad that LE didn't read it out. 😂

[@Kuolonen]

I'll never understand people who feel the need to tell people they've won the lottery. Might as well paint a bullseye on your back.

[@christineherrmann205]

This. If you win, tell NO one.

[@brothertaddeus]

Many states publicly announce the winners. This is actually one of the primary reasons why, if you were to win the lottery, you should consult with a lottery attorney. There may be ways to collect your winnings without your name being publicly announced, but the how varies from state to state.

[@psyolytesaille]

@@brothertaddeus This. Some states have no loopholes and in that case I hope the person wasn't too fond of their birth name if it's somewhat unique.

[@pierregibson6699]

@@brothertaddeus they turn it into a trust fund and the lawyer picks it up for the trust fund, I saw this a few months ago, group of co workers from Michigan did it their Lawyer accepted that big ass check on stage on BEHALF of the spartan something trust fund

[@GrumpyOldFart2]

@@brothertaddeus There’s something called a blind trust which allows winners to keep their identity hidden, but sometimes even that’s not allowed. ☹️ From a legal website: “Right now only seven states allow lottery winners to maintain their anonymity: Delaware, Kansas, Maryland, North Dakota, Texas, Ohio and South Carolina. And six states also allow people to form a trust to claim prize money anonymously. California entirely forbids lottery winners to remain anonymous.”

[@Voxelize]

The parts about emails reminds me of when my wife did a website for a lawyer a couple years ago. He demanded more work than agreed for without paying his invoice so she turned over what was done and refused to work. For Christmas he sent us un-notarized (and un-filed) small claims form making it look like he was suing us. I offered to finish the work for him for free as a generous customer service offer. He replied by sending another un-notarized and un-filed small claims form raised to the max amount (double what he’d paid for the website). I wrote him back pointing out that he had forgotten to file the suit and asked for him to send a copy of the contract with the breaches highlighted so we could make him whole. Except I knew there was no written contract for him to point out the breaches. We never heard from him again.

[@GunmadMadman]

Wait, the Article says kidnapping. Are we not gonna talk about the kidnapping?

[@jenndoesstuff]

Apparently, her ex-husband kidnapped her and she ended up shooting him.

[@grimbereft]

Wuttt

[@koro_kokoro]

Kidnapping and lottery wins are not new, it’s actually quite disturbingly common

[@Stupidtalkspointlessthoughts]

Dude: leaves waitress a scratch off as a "tip" knowing they're mostly worthless. Bartender: wins actual money with scratch off Dude: Is for me?

[@GrayBlood1331]

5:47 I thought you were going to say "they all got $50,000 each and the lawyers got the rest of it" 😂

[@WindrunnerB4]

I wish the first one was a simple making sense as “he gave it to her, it was hers.”

[@fisch37]

03:00 In the EU that would be total bs

[@Spawn7586]

GDPR. I thank whoever did that since it can literally protect us form this bs.

[@fisch37]

@@Spawn7586 Yup, not having others disclose any data about you is fun

[@Islacrusez]

Oh yah, GDPR would rip them a new one and rightly so.

[@Cheepchipsable]

Usually it's said in jest that "I get half!", when you give someone a lottery ticket as a gift, because you know it's will probably never win.

[@lost4468yt]

Why would you buy someone a lottery ticket as a gift?

[@LTCloud9]

@@lost4468yt To sue them when they win.

[@xzonia1]

I love how happy Devin is in this video discussing law. He clearly loves what he does. :)

[@llenidelbloque]

I’m a 1L right now and this channel makes me feel like I’m doing so well when I recognize some of the legal terms ☺️

[@Joshua_Shadow_Manriguez]

From what we know, the bar patron seems like the kind of weirdo who'd continuously make jokes like "If you ever win big on those, make sure to share it with me." and gets an eye roll in response, but still feels entitled to a promise that wasn't actually made.

[@steveg7066]

There really should be some kind of law against an employer sharing an employee's personal information with a customer. Someone should look into introducing that

[@Surdeigt]

Welcome to Europe 😉

[@scoopitywoop]

In Europe it's called GDPR, and every employee on the continent is forced to take a short course about it

[@ChileandRamen]

I know in California you're not allowed to give out an employees schedule or phone numbers to a customer. I'm not sure, but it would also probably cover e-mails.

[@jesse113553]

Come to Australia lol it’s a fireable offense here

[@austinshoupe3003]

A) such a law limits/complicates a fair amount of business functionings. This is America. We value businesses above people here. B) most managers aren't this stupid. It immediately opens him up to liability if 'Brent' does something violent.

[@Dasgewt1]

What kind of garbage person tips in lottery tickets, an overwhelming majority of the time, the server is being tripped in garbage, then when a win does happen it always leads to this nonsense. Just stop, the result is never positive.

[@christineherrmann205]

Apparently the same type of garbage person that then sues for a cut if they win.

[@TesserId]

It's worse than a direct insult considering the lottery is a tax on those who are bad at math.

[@TimHoff85]

The worst part of this is that the lottery winnings weren't an exorbitant amount and if the patron does file a lawsuit, the bartender could actually lose money in legal fees.

[@jacobbroe5279]

Question: how can the suing patron actually prove that he provided the winning ticket. She could have found it in her letterbox, per say.

[@usul573]

Presumably there is a record of him buying it?

[@fos1451]

CCTV, witnesses, bystander, co-worker testimony, etc. it’s much much better to just tell the truth

[@candice_ecidnac]

FYI it's "per se" not "per say".

[@fos1451]

@@candice_ecidnac if you want to be more picky. it’s also a wrong use of “per se”, the right word would be “for example/instance”, that would have fit more

[@candice_ecidnac]

@@fos1451 not being picky or even critical. It was presented as an FYI, not a lecture or a dressing down.

[@FedorablePenguin]

About the sharing the email: Suppose the patron starts sending lots of emails to the point it is clearly harassment. Could the bartender potentially sue the manager/owner for damages?

[@iriswaldenburger2315]

Point is the manager was being a real dick sharing the email... thank god this stuff is taken serious in Europe

[@Boby9333]

@notfiveo Because creating a new email is hard right? Dick person are dick and if they want to harass, having you main email blocked won't prevent them to make a new email and continue harassing the person.

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

Yes

[@DavidPlass]

"It's also the same in bird culture" killed me!

[@christopherhorton821]

The lottery ticket was a tip, or considered a gift. Once you give a gift or tip you lose all rights to it.

[@TheWetToaster]

“It is also called this in bird culture” I understood that reference

[@donkeyhobo34]

I love you

[@LostInTech3D]

future interdimensional cable gets lawyered vid? Maybe?

[@wesleyoldham-cartoonsandtv1962]

I did a double take when Devin said that. Did he write that joke, or did someone write it for him?

[@TheWetToaster]

@@wesleyoldham-cartoonsandtv1962 I know, he’s the closest to being on the fence between zoomer and boomer I’ve ever seen

[@vituperation]

@@TheWetToaster So... culturally aware Gen X or 90% of Millennials?

[@mallorystrom7511]

pretty sure giving an employee’s email to a man who has been sexually harassing her for p much her entire tenure is offensive and dangerous.

[@Duiker36]

But legal. Welcome to America.

[@hablo_papøl]

Wdym sexaully harassed her? He asked her out several times, not cool, but definitely NOT sexual harassment.

[@yosoyysoyyo]

@@hablo_papøl If you badger someone about going out with you after repeated denials, it can qualify legally as sexual harassment (and it's morally harassment regardless...no means no, dude)

[@kellycowley3535]

+SebTheGoat There is also the fact he is doing it on her work shift. She can't just leave her job or overly express any negative emotions to the customer because it could get her in trouble at work (and even get her fired). So whether the man knows it or not he is both trapping her and limiting what she can say/do is response.

[@fos1451]

The problem is that he’s asking her email for the lottery ticket, not to stalk her, that’s why it’s legal If They change the scenario to make it that he’s doing it to stalk her, it’s obviously illegal

[@ejonp]

Thanks for calling out the damage done by rom coms! How many women have had to put up with some doofus playing a boom box on their front lawn, or something equivalent, because it worked for John Cusack in Say Anything?

[@Khronogi]

That clip where the guy is singing to a girl outside of her house with his friends and then her boyfriend comes out and he starts crying while singing.