Man vs Machine part1 - The West and The Best

TIMESTAMPS BELOW.
Hey everyone, this video is part 1 of a long detailed discussion on Starcraft1 and LoL and the ever reoccurring cycle of the Men vs the Machines.
The video centers on how League of Legends can learn from Starcraft:1. Even if you didn't follow Starcraft1 don't worry, I think you should still be able to enjoy the video. The most common trend throughout the history of some of the largest e-Sports involving Korea has always been the tale of Man vs Machine. We talk about how Korea breeds robots and the unforgiving pattern that occurred in SC1 to birth the demi-god players we saw at the end of the games life. I personally believe heavily that so many things from SC1 translate directly into League, and how League professionals could learn so much from it. The main driving point shall be on how Korea's system produces players and the issues the flaws in the West's system that makes it difficult to rival.
I'm not a historian, nor am I 100% sure about a few of the numbers or time frames I discuss in the video, so if I say anything wrong then just let me know, i appreciate it. This is something I've wanted to do for a while but I just got around to doing it, hope people enjoy it.
Timestamps:
1:50 Beginning of discussion
5:42 General Western players' mentalities
10:32 Starcraft 1 history
13:00 "The Bonjwa's"
14:07 The Era of SlayerS`BoxeR`
16:22 The player who refined the game, [ReD]NaDa
18:00 Machine/Superbug/Tornado analogy/references
23:03 Western Machines/Men, the obsession with money and fame
25:42 Refining the algorithms
29:00 Starcraft1 dark era, the arrival of the cheater terran IloveOOv (www.teamliquid.... Credit to Plexa from TL for a write-up)
34:56 David vs Goliath, when an existing protoss, [OOps]Reach leads the charge against OOv
36:52 No hope vs OOv, Reach stands atop the Protoss
40:27 Players cashing in, "I wanna be the best",
42:42 Korea vs the rest
44:16 The seldom talked about heart to Korea's esports - Korean culture and why the west has never caught up if Korea cared.
50:18 JulyZerg
53:55 League's current state
56:38 KZbin comment on my coaching approach and how even something appearing as random isn't always random.
58:35 Cheap/cheesy wins, no desire to be a machine.
1:01:33 Gold MMR player vs Master MMR player / using Ragnarok Online to describe league's MMR and skill system
1:08:35 You're so bad you're good
1:13:29 Myself as a coach
1:14:43 100% Randomness
1:17:32 The "right" path vs understanding the structure
1:19:47 S class by refining one thing
1:23:40 OOv / Reach / July - Nal_rA, MC and others
1:27:26 From zero to hero, sAviOr saves Zerg - www.teamliquid....
1:34:00 KR vs NA/EU development / "eras"
1:38:21 League skill lvl in 10 years
1:40:03 "Shades of blue"
1:42:42 League's eras + region differences
1:52:38 League's future / direction
1:53:51 Guy flaming in chat
1:56:37 Personal opinion on an ideal staff for a team
2:02:35 Conclusion
Part 2 sometime later on, thanks for watching.
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[@keven444]

I wish there was a part 2 of this video this is one of the most fascinating video about esport history for me!

[@mouseman1234555]

xd

[@mike122344]

This needs a part 2. I've been patiently waiting for months since I listened.

[@LightCrusaderzLoL]

I know it is a small detail, but I really appreciate the fact that you've made timestamps, it's much appreciated, thank you LS and keep up the good work! :D

[@wxrld1]

You are the person who has the biggest knowledge behind the games you play from all people i've ever heard them talk about the games. Every video blows my mind and makes me think about what you say and how i play. Thank you!

[@WetWizardRS]

I've watched about 20 mins of this so far, and i really do love how you speak and explain things. Great job man.

[@davidworthington4023]

Took me over a month to finally find the time to watch this but as always it is stunningly insightful into the history of esports and how it applies to league. Can honestly say this is the best video I've watched.

[@hughjanus87]

Weve been waiting for 8 years, i think its time for a part 2

[@PlagueDoctorJL]

Please do part 2 LS. Really enjoyed listening to this. I'm hugely looking forward to part 2.

[@TheGhostlyfire]

Listening to the first 20 mins and to this day you are way ahead your time

[@eddbro82]

I'm watching this again tomorrow and drinking a shot every time LS says "what ends up happening". Cheers!

[@SheWasAlmost18]

Excellent players are often built through communities. A challenger(NA) player that I know plays tekken at a high level. He acknowledges every damage he takes and whether he deserves it. It enlightened me to to the attitude higher level players have. Play to learn, not to win.

[@MaiHead92]

LS i really appreciate you for making these. I find myself watching these detailed discussions rather than a movie. This was very eye opening, thanks! Can't wait for part 2!

[@brianvaniekerk3]

Okay honestly the part about stabbing with a knife and the victim smiling creeped me the fuck out.

[@chronusx877]

As somebody who has only heard about SC1/BW and didn't watch it and hasn't gone to watch it this was really great and I'd love to see more. Also it was a cool look into your mind with how free form it was. I'd be very interested in seeing another video that goes further in the timeline even if it has no relevance to LoL because it will never get there.

[@NoradNoxtus]

The Mickey voice had been mastered long ago, it seems lol

[@Danoriel]

I enjoyed the Starcraft history part, knowing who those players where and what they accomplished explained like this is really interesting.

[@SawyerJungle]

The west and the best

[@alejandroarbelaez7317]

Thanks for uploading the vod, Nick, I missed some parts during your stream, and I really enjoyed listening to this :) ALSO DTR4

[@5uicune]

Solid video .. glad I stumbled upon it. Will be looking out for part 2

[@Clap4TheMoment]

The amount of analysis he has into high level competition is actually insane...

[@martintsanov4341]

No wonder why a lot of west streamers/player/coaches hate him. He played 6/7 games (correct me if I am mistaken) on a very high/competitive level. Even if western team hire him to coach them they won't agree with the growing/improving process. (Sorry for my English, not a native speaker).

[@mati1689]

I admire you, you look like a real smart person and i like a lot your way of talking and explaining things, hope you can do what ever your aspirations you have

[@emilyburkert7061]

i was actually watching this video on stream atm this Video was uploaded to youtube. It's amazing!

[@schrodergambel6987]

Holy shit. This video is seriously amazing. So many great concepts put into words. And also really fucking motivating!

[@BSK6537]

Can you make a part 2 of this soon please, I really enjoyed listening to this

[@sebastianbourbon7129]

prob not going to happen ngl

[@cstevey]

2.5 years later with no p2 ;( Wheres it at m’lord?

[@EpicVideoMaster11]

Going on 5 years

[@257-y8y]

@@EpicVideoMaster11 :(

[@EpicVideoMaster11]

@@257-y8y 6 and counting

[@pittaaaabread]

@@257-y8y Sadge. I will ask about it when he goes live next time also about the streetfighter analogy video.

[@iampavel]

Still waiting

[@whysoserious45691]

This is such incredible personality and great self awarness. I wonder what will you become in next years. You are just machine throwing so much valuable information, not only related to games, but life itself. Tho, tornado thing was a bit boring. But repeating valuable information is always good so listening to you is justified. Keep it up LS, great stuff. And I find my comment pointless yet I had to do it.

[@JamesTsividis]

You do a great job at teaching principles through stories and history. Thanks LS!

[@archer1695]

I love these videos, keep it up man :D

[@HurtCrayon]

More videos like this! Very insightful and perspective changing. Ty!

[@fighisver]

Can't wait for part 2. Any day now.

[@confusednerd3171]

Surely it’s happening 2025

[@BlueElite]

Great video! I never played Brood War so it was an interesting history lesson since you hear people reference it all the time. As far as the overarching discussion, I agree with every single point 100%(outside the no such thing as randomness idea anyway). I have long thought the West needs to stop trying to be Korea, and start coming up with ingenious innovations that have a chance to be even better. We don't have the culture Korea does, therefore can't copy the model, we should be looking for new models that have the chance to be even greater and that are actually possible/sustainable in NA/EU. As far as the ideal coaching staff is concerned, I have always thought teams needed position coaches and analysts. It seems like such a natural idea I am surprised that every team doesn't have them already in place. I watched Dyrus's extended analysis of the new TSM's IEM performance recently and could not help to think what a waste it is that he isn't coaching their top laners now. Having a chess master on the staff is an interesting idea, although i'm not sure it would work, it would have to be an IM at the very least though imo, as I don't think a master at any lower elo would bring in enough value over your average thinking man. I don't know what exactly your plan would be for this position, but I think bringing them in as a consultant from time to time would be an even better idea, as you could potentially nab a GM, or high level poker player interested in LoL. I never really thought about having a "medium" type coach either, but I understand what you were getting at and think it is an interesting thought. As far as utilizing lessons learned from Starcraft, I both agree/disagree. I don't know much about Starcraft, but from what I do know, and from what I learned by watching this video, there are many lessons I'm sure the LoL community could learn by studying it, but I don't think it should be the sole influence. Starcraft is a 1v1 game, while League is a 5v5 game so they are inherently different. In addition I don't think its a good idea for Western teams to base their entire ideologies on another game that Koreans dominated in, and could most likely glean even more from. I think a mixed bag of Starcraft/chess/poker/traditional sports like basketball and football(NOT soccer) would yield the best results. Looking forward to part 2 :)

[@hap-psn]

Man I don't know what it was exactly, but this video changed my entire perspective of League and how badly I've been playing it. I want to thank you for the enlightenment, I'm also very intrigued by you comparing League to chess. Is there perhaps a way you can elaborate or are there any past videos where you mention it?

[@RaytheRulerOriginal]

Can you explain what you mean by "A medium" for staff pieces a League team would need in order to achieve perfect/best chase perfection? I have to agree with your idea though of having each player given a personal coach that is an expert in the role they play as well as having two analysts that specifically only look at the same role and funnel that information into the coach and the player. With a method like that, you're going to turn that player into a true machine for their role. When all 5 players achieve machine status for their role, you have a truly scary team. I feel like SKTT1 was fairly close to that this year; they had 5 players whom were machine-like at playing their singular role to truly refined efficiency. I don't think SKTT1 was a perfect team, but each of their players was basically the best at the time at playing their role on that patch, which resulted in them steam-rolling any other team that challenged them, even teams with superior teamwork. The absolute peak is when you have 5 machine players that know how to solve every problem they'll face in the 1v1 match-up (or 2v2 for bot lane/jungler + top/jungler + mid/etc) AND on top of that all 5 machines work in-sync with an ultra refined machine strategy that trumps or can be molded on the fly to trump any other strategy it might face. It might not be possible though because of the human element but its, as you say, the pursuit of that perfection, in which you can achieve excellence.

[@shokew2241]

Very interesting video, thanks for sharing this.

[@DLLM-]

Even though i dont play League anymore, i find this very fascinating

[@leagueofwhitedrive2092]

I am a simple League player. I see LS postet a new Video -> I press like

[@lionman2802]

Thank you, i may not of known much i may be silver 4 and really bad, i may be what ever but that school example hit me ( going to highschool in a few weeks and i dont know what its worth but that changed me alot more than any content so far that ive seen has) that was long... thanks

[@Zander_45]

For me, I watch LS because that produce to me a braingasm. Really. ASMR. I don't kno why, maybe his voice or the play with the coin of poker (plz don't stop)

[@AWLN3]

You're beautiful. The way you aproach things are so good, and the analogies you make, god they are good, and they make me fkn drop my pants. That one where you said ''You use them to buy your tacobell tonight'' damn it was so good.

[@AsianSwagger3]

great video! Got a question.. WIll you ever make a teemo guide? Now that hurricane is 'nerfed' for teemo do you still buy it and are berserkers better than mpen now?

[@kartirnium]

i was shitting myself every time you hit the table...

[@seoulsim874]

Part 2 waiting room

[@riotdopa5310]

still waiting for part 2

[@victorkim5822]

Very good, except for the constant rattling. Are you stacking poker chips right next to the mic or something?

[@holybruno]

1:39:20 HAHAHAH "disabilities in some way." i died laughing so hard and idk why

[@minecraftfan2087]

Thoorin and Monte always bring up culture influencing success. I'm pretty sure Thoorin has an entire video about how Korean culture makes them the best at every esport they care about, Monte has also mentioned it a lot on summoning insight. Don't really know where you got the idea that no one talks about it. Even the reddit comments talk about dat shit.

[@LSXYZ9]

+Nibs It's not talked about nearly as much compared to the infrastructure and team staffs, whereas I believe it to be the strongest factor at its core.

[@pittaaaabread]

+lastshadow9 me to.

[@mobkiller111]

To the part were 88 points is not acceptable: I can agree 100%, Most of the time I get between B and A- in school during all my years and at some poit in like 10th grade (I am at my last year now) this was not good enough anymore, so I put more effort into it as well as changing my mindset. Howerver, some people in my class/ curses were really upset about me being unstatisfid, about only getting a B+ or when i got a A- , because it was not the absolute best. In my opinion all my achivemets don't matter if I know that I didn't put all my effort into it, because i can only assume what happend. The main goal should always be that you do everything you do at your highest possible level and maybe try even aim higher, because there will alawys be someone who is better at certain aspects and ofcourse you can't stay at the top for ever, however whinig about not being able to get there or maybe even to stay their is just ridicoulus. Somone should rather spend their time improving thier own skills.

[@tgamagedon]

I think you are right, that established pros in the west may be to entitled to get to a higher level, but there can be players, who still need to prove themselves and will be willing to try new stuff out. Players, that might not be great at the game in all it's facades, but use more advanced play as "cheese". Split pushing was invented, because teams could not hold up with the teamfighting ability of teams like M5 CLG.EU and frost, so they used a more advanced game approach to cover their weaknesses. Another example is cloud 9, who's players aren't gods, not even to NA standards of 2013, but through far superior understanding of the game and shotcalling dominated the region for 1.5 years. They boosted the region ahead. Just imagine where NA would be without them.

[@ilikemoosic12]

Part 1 is suggestive of being ONLY "Man" and "Machine". Could part 2 be the realization that we're naïve to the possibility of "Outside Influence"? If I could attempt to analogize it would be similar to having an unconscious biasness toward something. I guess I'm asking if we could obtain that "Perfect Build" that counters every possible outcome, would that be through biasness or not? And is biasness ethical?

[@ilikemoosic12]

Also, a response would be super appreciated. I love the analogous/ philosophical work you do.

[@XxClucthxX]

Y does nick do THEESE spurts of str8 content hustle then Long breaks I wish he would be more consistent

[@mistahjellison]

Same :7

[@cstevey]

Sorry for posting on a dead thread :/ Its because he focuses on streaming and rarely do these large topics come up and once they do he posts them so he doesnt have to waste stream time doing it again. He isnt a youtuber, hes a coach then hes a streamer who posts clips, or sessions of large topic discussion such as this. Hope that helps

[@wonshieklim8346]

@LS are you making a second man vs machine? It is a really good video! Thanks for all the starcraft knowledge

[@Rufio-de7ld]

well its really enjoyable to listen to you

[@MasonGoss]

@lastshadow9 hey you talk about the West's transition from the Nada to the Oov era and how for the regions to advance they must take a step back and remake the algorithm. Do you have any ideas as to how to do that? Is it mainly through infrastructure and getting more coaches/analysts? or do you think it has to do with breaking down how they look at the game at a more fundamental level? Or is it something different all together? Would appreciate your thoughts. Thanks for the great video look forward to the next one!

[@knucklepuck7072]

I'm not sure what the constant clicking noise in the background (maybe playing with the mouse - sounds like your playing with poker chips) is but it's very distracting and makes it hard to focus on what you're saying. I had to watch this in multiple pieces it drove me so nuts. Enjoyed the content.

[@CSDragon]

1:05:25 I know this is completely unrelated to the subject of the video, but I've always wondered why you use MSPaint, lol.

[@tashaun8363]

+CSDragon Because it is the best program ever in his eyes xD

[@MrFrezke]

i like the video. but the best thing was the titel :D i dont even know why but i laughed so hart LOL

[@joshlogan3787]

What kind of mindset do you need to be in to achieve a demigod status or as you said a chaser of that status? Cause it becomes harder to creat new meta or be the embodiment of something that changes how you or people think in league.

[@UnskilledR1fl3]

Hi, my name is , I'm ranked and I'm really really bad. For everyone who wants to get better.

[@nosteinnogate7305]

+GeneralZodOne hi my name is freeze i am ranked 1 in challenger in euw and i am really really bad kappa123

[@LiquidSasha]

+rbf rbf I just played on my na account and they suck harder than eu in lower elo, (imo) they are just better at coordinating and communication

[@0xc0ffee_]

+GeneralZodOne Hi, my name is Annie Bot Senpai, I'm ranked Diamond V and I'm really really bad.

[@victorkim5822]

+GeneralZodOne What about region. IMO Plat I in Korea> Diamond II in NA.

[@zerohour8188]

+GeneralZodOne Hi, My name is Zeró Hóur im ranked gold 3 on EUW im really bad

[@yozah888]

why the use of a chess coach in a league team? what sort of input can one from a chess background help with? could you please elaborate

[@secondonthedraw]

Hey are you a fan of Mikhail Tal? I feel like his story and style would be a good addation to your repertoire

[@achoexodia]

when part 2 dropping boss

[@TheVeggiepizza]

Do you coach online poker too or only live poker?

[@KotauFPS]

what about players that are relatively bad with mechanically complicated champions, but thrive on less mechanically-heavy champions and win games, even if they lose their lane? are they more machine or more man-like, and should they look to improve on something?

[@gabrielventer493]

Hey, what would you say is the reason for EU mids being better than the average EU player as a whole? Is there any form of mentaility in Europe that intersects with being a good midlaner? I look at the EU mids, and I see so many good players that could compete internationally compared to EU ADC's or EU* toplaners. Any reason for this, in your mind?

[@yeremylol]

My shout out was cut? How dare you.

[@MineteInc]

Still waiting on part 2

[@sebastianbourbon7129]

same

[@blacksun4268]

LS is just a god at analogy

[@bryce2703]

I wish you talked more about SSBM that game has evolved a lot like Starcraft has.

[@filedotzip]

Great video

[@kingrenlybaratheon8790]

This is amazing

[@christopherholfeld8137]

Do you have adhd i'm just curious i have been watching your more recent videos and i notice your always doing something. this one its the flipping over the poker chips. last one it was spinning random colors in a circle. I kinda know psychology im looking to possibly go major in it so i picked it up.

[@St0rmmmmm]

LS what did you think of Thorins Bonjwa video?!

[@Alexander-tw9fw]

1:47:47 that's an oopsie

[@xtabell5776]

Invictus gaming is "chinese" but they had both rookie and theshy which are both korean. Same with doinb and gimgoon on fpx. SOOOOOOO..... Koreans still won worlds

[@asfaker01]

@@xtabell5776 stfu in both teams there where atleast 2 chinese that in that time dominated there roles jackylove chinese adc ning chinese jung now he sucks but at his prime he was one of the best jungs in the world cringe kid

[@xtcferdifuchs]

And part 2 pls

[@anthonylefebvre9229]

I believe a psychologist would be necesary to complete your perfect team staff. What do you think of that ?

[@LSXYZ9]

+Anthony Lefebvre Oh yes, I entirely forgot this, 100% agree.

[@Ferrari430]

+lastshadow9 Hello. Do you take new students to coach? What is the price list?

[@pittaaaabread]

+lastshadow9 can you coach me im am a diamond 4 mid main my mains are leblanc zed and yasuo i would rlly like some coaching.

[@Ferrari430]

lastshadow9 Why do you ignore me everywhere?

[@shizelee8251]

and concern to chinese, i am a chinese immgrant and i feel what you said was SO FKING DAMN RIGHT. i felt chinese are just so foucsed on refine the skill of mechnics and other details but do not konw the reason why they are doing this. Chinese player usually have insane mechincs but have 0 understanding of how the thing works.i think it was our culture driven us to follow and refine the existing model but to discovery new models. In chinese culture we tend to sat something as a goal and every body will try to follow, but nobody konws why the Hell we sat that goal at first place. Its like every single chinese students work their ass off but when they finally graduate they figured out everything they learned was not useful, and they just get crapy jobs and fked their life up. thank you for the lesson LS, you teached me something useful for rest of my life. And i have a question, if i want to create my own model, how do I start at first place? nobody had teach me how to do that and i hope you could give me some suggestion.

[@SpykoXX]

as ls does not seem to have seen this I will answer it as well as I can if you want to create something new I think i is important to understand what already exists and where it's limitations lie then like ls said you have to deconstruct the existing model then reconatruct something that does not have these limitations then after you have refined it you compare it to the current models and if it does not hold up you find it's limitations and reconstruct it so it no longer has these limitationa then you repeat the process until you are satisfied

[@shizelee8251]

thank you sir, so based on your opinion understand the existed limitation is the key to invention, right?

[@davidmuhs4590]

the key to invention basicly comes down to experimenting. lets take jax for example i happen to be a jax main and you have the jax profile pic: seasons 4 and 5 the standard jax build was blade of ruined king triforce then full tank maybe maw. i already reinvented jax by the way so this works out well. people went BOTRK because jax has lots of attack speed synergy and needs attack speed too. triforce is obvious i dont think i need to go over it. heres what you do you 1(optional): look at the standard people figure out why its good at why people use it etc. 2(required) takes mental notes and what the champion needs in order to be useful, in jax's case he needs attack speed. 3: take notes of things that arent completely needed but are too good not to use, like lifesteal/spell vamp on jax. 4: look around and see what options you have for getting whats needed and remember each option even if it doesnt seem good. 5(the big one): experiment and see what you can come up with. 6(and this comes naturally while doing 5): take mental notes on how strong each option is relative to other options and non relative. sheen for example is obviously very nice for jax it stand out more than most other items but make sure you know how much it gives you. it has 1.5 sec cool down and does 100% base ad so depending on the stage of the game it can be a little less than a second auto attack. 7: keep refining and remember certain options require other options to be used. examples: so heres a few example i used whether u agree or not you can still get the idea: shoes on jax: after testing ive found that berserkers greaves on jax are simply better than ninja tabi/merc treds regardless of situation. not going into full details. berserkers greaves over merctreds / tabi when not factoring other items AND skyrockets when factoring other items. attack speed on jax: jax obviously needs this stat and alot of it. he also wants it as soon as possible most people will only think about items for options but we have runes as another option. i wont give my current rune setup but my first one was 29% attack speed rune page. it was flat out better than what other people ran wich i believe at the time was 15 ad rune pages. attack damage on jax: full attack speed builds for any champion (with very few exceptions like azir) still require AD for optimal results . even things like twisted fate adc will want to spend more gold on ad than attack speed for optimal results. my personal favorite on jax is rev hydra but i use more options than just that. using attack speed from shoes and masteries and those runes today would give 69% attack speed which is amazing to have. this style was and still is simply better than the season 4 and 5 setup. it will also open up many more options for items. also jax has to room for certain defense items early while still having very high quality of life. i think thats all im gonna say. good luck with reinventing man and have a good day. :)

[@Shrykull10]

what are your thoughts on the minion wave mechanics' changes?

[@ryantk84]

The biggest thing I see in your coaching sessions is that you often ignore, what I believe is the biggest aspect when it comes to improving an individuals skill, you often set aside the mental aspects of the game in favor of item/stat theorycrafting and mechanical decision making. I believe if you focused more on improving your students' ability to handle the numerous mental obstacles League throws at you, then you may notice the players' natural mechanical skills will improve on their own. Of course, you would have to balance this based on the background of the student. I think you would agree though that at the very highest skill levels of a team based game play, the deciding factor often goes to those who are better prepared mentally rather than mechanically. This is just my opinion though.

[@ryantk84]

+aPersona a I've played all levels in this game and the number one reason players don't improve past their current skill level is their attitude towards their team and how well keep their composure after making mistakes. I guarantee that given the right instruction anyone who is truly willing to improve, must first focus on the correct mind set before mechanics and builds.

[@LiquidSasha]

+Riketz I agree

[@Hackeras13]

Hey LS. Which era are we in now?

[@xtcferdifuchs]

i would maybe switch the chess master with a Go master. I dont know if you know it but i think it translates better.

[@smody121]

How do you think you'd do against Elky in poker? You don't talk about how you land in that scene at this point and I know you've been focused on it for some time now. I always thought with your raw gaming knowledge, poker would be a natural transition for you.

[@LSXYZ9]

+Sumeet M I'd get destroyed lol. I'm not good yet.

[@smody121]

+lastshadow9 Not sure what you're doing to learn, and not to derail this vid, but would be cool to see you stream poker online sometimes to see how you get better. 2+2 forums have a ridiculous amount of good information btw, especially the archives. After black Monday the strategy forums have devolved unfortunately.

[@AlDumbrava]

+lastshadow9 what are you focusing on? Sng cash hu mtts? I would assume you're not doing all of them at once.

[@davidmuhs4590]

didnt watch the vid yet but i can say struggle and adversity breeds strength. when i played smash bros brawl i used 'training weights' i would play vs lvl 9's and play the game on double speed things like that. my first half year of playing the game i played at a friends house my second half year i borrowed it and i could see the game frame by frame with ease. sadly i never entered tournements becuase i asumed people would be many times better than me cuz i only played the game for a year......

[@BrandonGraphicz]

What are the fundamentals of league? I must know, I think it's more satisfying knowing you're trying to improve and lose elo doing it.

[@ricccc4028]

nice video, thanks ls =)

[@KimithaGaming]

I want a coaching video that lasts for 6 months... that would be fantastic... But i also want a Challenger account so i can beat my self against better players and have a 0/100 lose record but still improve because i am adapting to their skill, seems too good to be true o.O

[@PhilNEvo]

How is Heartstone more luck based than forexample Poker? Not that I'm too familiar with each of those-- But they both seem to involve a certain amount of luck, which can be overcome in the long run. And since poker is successful, if there is enough similarity, why wouldn't heartstone be worth it? :b Not saying the coaches was wrong, just curious :b

[@Bringolf]

+PhilNEvo i'm no expert but poker you can fold bad hands and bluffing can cause a worse hand to beat a better hand. hearthstone being 5 game series and each deck being knocked out, one lucky draw or rng can lose you 1/3 or 1/5 of the series where as in poker you only lose blind or what you invested into the hand and can gain what you lost playing your "lucky" hands better then your opponent

[@Kamishi845]

Hearthstone has literal RNG mechanics into the game which became the most apparent when Yogg-Saron was a great card pick into any spell deck, since it did a random spell based on each spell you cast in that game. Emphasis on random. It could make or break a game but impossible to predict the outcome. That's not good game design. Poker in comparison isn't random because there are only a limited number of cards in a deck and a limited number of copies of a certain card in that deck. It means that you can make very educated predictions on what the next hand will contain whereas in Hearthstone you cannot predict whether Yogg-Saron will heal you to full HP or actually kill you.

[@vulpine2677]

6 years later no pt2

[@MarcmasterM]

I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times. Bruce Lee Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.” Bruce Lee

[@TaylorChristy]

Where's part 2?

[@thecoolesteva6]

ragrock? Runescape had the same type of xp deal but it took more like 3-5 months to get 99 if you did it the most efficient way non stop. And there were over 28 skills

[@XxClucthxX]

Watched the whole video

[@roton6472]

I just realized how right he was as last year it seemed like NA and EU had finally gotten better but then korea still beat them

[@FullMoonUmbreon]

When is part 2 coming out?

[@sigururf6534]

this video inspired me

[@davidmuhs4590]

whats the title for the part 2?

[@christopherholfeld8137]

Whats banjou mean? i know more of the Japanese versions of the words. Is it like 10dan in something like chess or go. so for Korea id be would 9p in baduk

[@LucRio448]

I think he refers to a famous SC2 Player, whose name is "Bonjwa"

[@christopherholfeld8137]

hmm i reconize the word tho. Its something like ultimate strength.

[@LucRio448]

+Christopher Holfeld Well, can't tell which meaning he refered to - but maybe Bonjwa did chose his name because of the meaning too^^

[@christopherholfeld8137]

+Jake X I could also been miss hearing the word as well.

[@XaladinPalantir]

I think im one of those Bonjwas you were talking about

[@caveman931]

But wasn't Jaedong at the top for like two years? How is that not an era D:

[@LSXYZ9]

+caveman931 Hey man, excellent point. Jaedong and Flash share the same era, with FlaSh being the star of it, but Jaedong would definitely get a ton of talk in part 2 and I was going to bring this up along with the "6 Dragons" and why FlaSh's era was by far the most difficult to remain steadfast. FlaSh's was without a doubt the most challenged era in the history of eSports probably.

[@lifenote1943]

banger video

[@realbddy1921]

Well its not truly random but still not predictable