Discussion on coaching methods/ideologies w/ OCE ChallengerSeries(?) coach

[@theglobol]

These old videos are golden and still relevant.

[@LegendaryAbysss]

One thing I really like about LS videos is that I listen to them while I play ranked. I seem to do better and win more games. Not because he's teaching me directly, but because I tend to tilt less than when I'm listening to music or talking on skype to others. I can't wait for my own session!

[@zJaguarHD]

+LegendaryAbysss This is so true

[@blazinwind1091]

+LegendaryAbysss How can u concentrate on both things tho?

[@Xfactor3521]

@@blazinwind1091 It's called a selective active listening approach. If he has the game sound on along with the video, he would selectively listen to the video and actively play the game and only focus on the sound queues of pings in-game.

[@WetWizardRS]

I seriously fucking love the way you speak and explain everything.

[@user-zo2li7bd7m]

4 years later and he’s still gold. Feels fucking bad man :(

[@MrBlinxsta]

Hey! i'm from alpha Sydney the team he claimed to coach (blinky) the adc. and he was never a coach. he was just a subpar analyst that barely had any say, so dont affiliate this in any way :)

[@KnivesOfTheRound]

Why isn't Bustfire31 a real coach in Australia? Because he doesn't have the koalafications :D

[@LSXYZ9]

+KnivesOfTheRound omg lol

[@VsixFilms]

KnivesOfTheRound u meant bushfire?

[@burstfirelol745]

nice

[@imyourdaddy8243]

Give this guy a medal

[@edwardbrody551]

you probably dont care but if you guys are stoned like me atm then you can stream pretty much all the new movies on InstaFlixxer. Been streaming with my brother during the lockdown :)

[@xTotalNitemarex]

This guy is not very well spoken, his analogies and responses to yours seem to be confusing and drawn out. He also seems to think the fact he's a coach means he knows what he's talking about. You handled it very well as usual LS.

[@burstfirelol745]

i was 16. fck off.

[@RollerdinoGaming]

@@burstfirelol745 just make some bullshit up, its fine

[@ThatOneKlutz]

Love your videos honestly and even though that guy didn't have a clue what he was talking about and it kinda pissed me off, I learned a lot. (I honestly plan on watching the checkmate rotation part over and over again and make sure I 100% understand it) I get so hyped while watching your videos 'cause I feel like I'm learning a ton and it's helping me understand the game better and at the same time become a better player. Seriously keep up the good work, I'm looking forward to your next videos and take care of that strep throat!

[@honoroller81]

"...I would say that TSM's obviously got the favorable posi-" "TSMs FUCKED" Made me laugh, thank you for this haha

[@jakey5791]

honoroller81 then tsm wins XD

[@alexandermheen-garschke6166]

Hi ls, I really love your videos, and I have personally learned a lot from them. Thank you for this amazing video, I love watching these type of videos (and anything else you upload). I just wanted to say thank you for all you have done and how you have made me happy on so many occasions, Happy New Year!

[@zJaguarHD]

You brought up a really good point about the idea of wanting to get better vs the idea of actually getting better many people continue to play countless amounts of games and never try to actively improve their mistakes as a player, and as a result fail to climb elo. Compared to the player that goes out into custom games and practices csing technique and listens to people's adivce such as your own, in order to improve their basic fundamentals and eventually climb elo as their mechanics and overall skill improve. Btw burstfire301 uploaded his coaching session with the same guy you coached (pink blits) on his youtube channel.

[@LSXYZ9]

+zJaguarHD Yeah I also reached out to pink blits, found out what burstfire said was lies.

[@zJaguarHD]

+lastshadow9 Yeah it doesn't surprise me, his own coaching sessions are extremely hard to follow and what he says seems to be made up and make no sense. I love your channel btw, it would be cool to maybe get coaching from you one day.

[@JinchurikiDemon]

I'm surprised you had the patience to talk to this person for two hours, I would've raged at him so hard.

[@lililillililillililillilil2116]

this was such a classic.

[@eirikandersen272]

i am 110% confused about what this oce guy was talking about

[@TheSpaztictoad]

The OCE coaches name is burstfire301 if you're wondering.

[@burstfirelol745]

ty

[@amitkale4624]

Hey LS! I love the content that you put out, even though I don't play league, and I would never play it for anything more than a life. But I find it fascinating in a terms of thought process and how the same concepts would apply to someone's development in other fields. I would like to get in touch with you.

[@Nytequiller]

This dude went completely silent at 1:01:15 LS caught him on his bs so hard he actually had to take a second to think for the first time in the discussion

[@Coach_Snoupii]

7000 games. wow. gold 5. how.

[@dunlosi1438]

+MAxiHOP Not just any gold 5.. OCE GOLD 5 BOYS.

[@Coach_Snoupii]

LOOL RIGHT

[@FryingBerries]

+Dunlosi LOOOOOOOOL it takes effort to suck that badly xD

[@carlosfernandez5619]

+MAxiHOP it didnt even take me 100 to get to plat...now imagine seven fucking thousand games. 7 point 7 fucking k games. Just marvellous.

[@NekoViper]

+Endtime do you have a source for this? just because I'm curious.

[@pteeto]

Less analogies and this whole matter might've come clear quite a bit faster. What comes to the analysis of the game at the end, I can confidently say that even a platinum player cannot calculate all the facts out of that to get the results for checkmate. Back to grinding for me it seems.

[@KimithaGaming]

I have watched LS for months, And i know i have improved in League A LOT from it... But not just that, I have learned how to take aspects of other game modes to improve my soloQ Games, Such as Aram, Bot and Normal mode games (Yes LS I know you dont like these modes!) I have learned how to become better through these modes because LS Teached me how to become better through common sense and future planning in his videos... He have also thought me how i can look at b.e Faker SoloQ Games and Apply his playstyle into my own and mold it into my fitting (yes i know i am not faker) And improve from watching high Level players play. By Watching LS's Videos and judging by their productive value wich is pretty god damn high, I have increased more rapidly in skill then most People probably have over multiple Seasons... For example, I have only played Ranked for 1 season And i am beating players in Gold and platinum.. While that doesnt mean much at all, since as LS consistently says is "They are all bad" It still shows that by working hard and practicing With the Tools LS have given me, I am able to improve a lot... But i firmly believe that If you want to become better, You would become better simply by wanting it... A lot of People get Coaching because they need the quick fix, or they think they will instantly get better after a session, Personally I Will watch videos untill i get the Whole Message then i will Practice it untill I master it! I have a long way to go before i can Call my self a good LoL player.. But i firmly believe that i am improving faster then most People do because I Accept that i am shit at the game, And LS Tells me in every god damn video i am shit at the game... And i want to prove him that one day i will not be shit at the game.. I'll become a machine!.. LOL wow long post.. I am greatfull to you for calling me shit! it motivates me to get better, hurray

[@EphruzTech]

First time I'm watching this. Happy Anniversary.

[@vorrakedryom6547]

I was about to fall asleep listening this, and then they talked about AP Pantheon. I listened till the end :)

[@leonardomiloslavic7949]

What do you recommend to do when you want to improve your game knoweledge not for climbing ELO but simply better understanding of the game? (play league,read about it, watch reviews...)

[@zctop1048]

Great video, I have no clue how you talked to him that long!

[@MyrkkyTattigaming]

Hello LS, dont know if this has already been mentioned, but would love it if you answered if not so. I personally understand most of the things you talk about and how you got to that thought. But here's the catch; sometimes I, and I'm guessing many others, do understand what you mean, but we cant catch the thought process behind it. I have no examples at the moment, and I do think you voice the "thought process" in most of the cases. It's just that sometimes you leave me baffled. I know the outcome of the sitatuation is excactly correct, but I dont know how your brain managed to end up in the outcome. So do you think it's better to let people figure it out themselves? Or would you perhaps prefer a style of coaching where you teach people how to independently think about the game and strategy more, and perhaps teach the right train of thought when it comes to league and improving?

[@DomyosYO]

i just love the comparison to variance that you did about poker relative to that gold IV reaching master that is so true.(Sorry bad english)

[@asmonull]

I think the analogy between your styles is like between school teaching and university teaching - in school you first learn basic Newtons equation (F=mg), then universal gravitation equation, then same equation in calculus form, and finally someone mentions general relativity theory. At various steps of the process you can do more things and you can learn about other problems using incorrect/simplified knowledge to approximate how to approach them, but at certain points in time you wouldn't be able to understand some stuff let alone calculate it (like: how does GPS work - this requires general relativity). In university you get all the correct and exact information with the assumption that you'll get to learn how to use it later, or at least be able to get to it on your own, by just knowing that stuff exists and seeing what you lack now making you unable to use it at the moment. Both methods work, second one just requires person willing to do a work and actually solve problems they encounter on the way, otherwise it'll fall flat. First (school-like) is much better for people who can't or don't want to put significant effort into improving on their own.

[@gagecook1912]

Please Correct me if im wrong, but Gold V OCE roughly translates to silver III-V NA right? If so, I couldn't ever imagine me( a silver III Lulu Main) ever trying to tell LS whats what. :/ Also a side note, as an Education Major, i can say that Ls's method is superior, as long as the student is compliant, self-critical and willing to learn. If the student isnt willing to work, the babying from the OCE guys method is technically superior, but what is even the difference between not improving and improving for only one patch? Right? Also i love your vids LS :D Happy New year!

[@d_shi]

+Gage Cook gold V OCE = gold V NA you potato.

[@MakkaP]

I love your comparisons xD

[@mellowman25]

The way he was cut up with the ingame analysis was savage.

[@Soyru]

I know why I enjoy watching lastshadow9 over other coaches is because. The use of certain tactics and over-all strategy is coupled with the fact that Point A. He dump trucks information onto the player. The player will comprehend maybe 1% maybe 100% of it but will forget about it. However, that 1% that will stick with them will resonate through them for the next times. Point B. The rest is up to the player to continue to follow in the foot steps of not necessarily right play, but continuing good choices to help themselves improve. A lot of what the other person's arguments validity are completely moot. He's angry at Lastshadow's blunt style, the use of advanced tactics to someone who is new, the use of being too advanced for some players. As, it really comes down to, "Does human understand information if yes? continue, if no? rephrase and reform idea so that they understand it better." That's it, the rest is up to the player to continue their lonely island improvement plan. Coaches prepare students so that the information is better regimented. Other then that students obtain a certain quality that they will take it isnt' through experience and time will they gain a bit of knowledge and wisdom and put those practices to good use. A lot of what is in this video in my eyes are worthless and should've not been posted. There are thousands of youtube channels 99% of the videos are about cats. 1% of the videos are useful information. Most of the time last shadow's information is that 1% for me. 99% it's just cats. Also, it's your voice that I enjoy the most. If the person has an annoying high pitch voice, too many ums and pauses, and not being confident in what they are saying in a reasonably fluid sentence I skip over it after 3 seconds of listening.

[@YammzFGC]

im fucking dying..when he brought up the 7000 games and the OCE coach was like UGHHH

[@small_dud3]

This kid is wild

[@joshlogan3787]

Oce is obviously way behind most other regions and every other main region but is there a point where oce/ oce teams will ever catch up or start to catch up in your opinion?

[@LSXYZ9]

+Pleb King Honestly given how the region has handled itself / how Riot treats it, I don't see any hope for it sadly :/

[@LSXYZ9]

+lastshadow9 I mean I guess it can produce PLAYERS, but the region has a whole won't ever thrive imo.

[@joshlogan3787]

+lastshadow9 Yeah that's what i honestly think as well but it does suck a lot knowing i'm playing in a region where it's probably not showing my true skill level. Thanks tho!

[@michaelhartzo]

Im actually suprised you stuck this out this long props to you. Kind of sucks that that he literally lies to players. I was just like whaaaatt that doesnt help anything. Welp enjoy your vids i feel like man vs machine approach is so good cause it prepares you to find the things you need to work on work on them till their natural then keep building.

[@Gundam08thMSteam]

I was excited for this topic. I got LS responding to a reddit post.

[@LSXYZ9]

+Gundam08thMSteam Huh?

[@Gundam08thMSteam]

+lastshadow9 the guy sounded like a reddit analyst. dont worry about it

[@FritoSWE]

+Gundam08thMSteam This looked like a thorin vs reddit, it would be fun to watch nick doing that XD

[@lakez5767]

i dont have cash to spend on lessons but ill gladly be the dumby on your videos to learn in return. I have value considering I am new to the game like the fan base and keen to learn

[@YishYosh96]

I got hurt myself and I wasn't the one getting flamed the whole time. :( Shout out to that guy though he is brave and sticks to what he believes which is cool.

[@KRUZAAGaming]

Dude what is all that background noise....

[@MrTonystark55]

I thought the point that the other person was trying to get across was basically: "People learn things the fastest in a different way. As a coach I think you have to approach them differently while keeping the message the same". A personal approach. I agreed with this as people obviously have different thought-processes, but after a while I just wasn't sure what he was trying to say anymore. I think, trying to go with LS's analogies wasn't the best idea; He got lost in them. It made it harder for him to get his message across. The natural selection part killed me.

[@ilililililil3776]

49:35 he just pulled up an einstein quote for the ultimate shut down lmao

[@extradelux8088]

In the vod review, Tsm has vision of dig's top jungle and can see that vi isn't in blue jungle--they also probably know vi isn't top because sivir is solo pushing without flash. Why didn't tsm send maokai to go homeguard to baron instead of holding something that he would probably die for (with vi being bot)? I think Tsm would be able to reciprocate well from the 2-3 tower loss with baron because they have a fairly save comp to avoid getting disorganized in teamfights (spellshields and double heal) and have good siege and pick potential--provided they use their vision of blue side jungle to push with baron buff. If this is not a good move for tsm, then why isn't it a good move?

[@XaladinPalantir]

LS, after watching this video. I have no idea how you kept talking to this guy for this long without going insane.

[@burstfirelol745]

probs the same way ur parents didnt throw u in a bin when u popped out xd rekt kid

[@NekoViper]

God Bless.

[@Edward23409]

What patch was it? Couldn't TSM start a nash since it's spawning in only 5s? Nashor was prety weak on some patch. And if it was one of this patch, they might force it?

[@lakez5767]

what do you gain or learn from playing mord? whats do you look for in a player to recommend a champ like mord?

[@lakez5767]

do I need to have wave control every game? what if I can make successful trades? do I still play the safe route and trade when the time is completely correct?

[@tempname4039]

What he (LS) says about the fundamentals is 100% correct. I just think his delivery confuses many of the students.

[@TheSanDisk]

I like how the OCE coach does and doesn't get it right at the same time. Nicotin patch = quick fix that you have to buy over and over = bad. However, he doesn't realize he's the quick fix guy.

[@XoStefan]

at 01:11:00 actually "telling students 2+3=4 and later on telling them 2+3=5" is a commonly used and well established method i know for a fact that this is how certain concepts are explained in math/physics also it does totally make sense and is very effective! I feel like burstfire301 had a legitimate standpoint but he couldnt advocate properly if you cannot grasp the complex concept in its entirety then learning components of it is essential for your growth in my opinion

[@jincangu]

+Stefan Watt can you give some examples?

[@XoStefan]

Miro Parkkonen im not 100% sure about the specifics but i reckon most of the formulas you learn in school are actually a power series originating from the taylor series and therefore only approximately correct. I think in math derivative would be an example if I remember correctly.

[@SheWasAlmost18]

Can you post your coaching streaming sessions so we know when to tune in ?

[@Thottbotdude]

Okay okay okay okay,, Way to show him how to be pro. You flamed him without saying it.. that was great.

[@jonast8333]

This guy is not dump, he just dont want to understand what LS is saying. I still dont understand the point of this, is he trying to attack your Coaching style ? Or is he talking to you to defend his Choaching style ? Or is he trying to learn something for his Coaching stuff ?

[@Snowiowlplayes]

+Jonas T The difference came through Moral understanding of Humanbeings. That guy wants to help everyone even if that pearson is a complet moron. Then he would lie about some basics in hope that moron would still belistening and then try to improve. He did a bet on the fact of (sorry shitty word choises) People coming back to him for more 'Lessons'. Were he tryed to rebuild the Lie he told (to truths) and telling the Student that 'he lied so the Student would improve'. TL;DR: He tryes so hard to improve people, but he corrupts the basics of the game to Bad knowllege (Lies). His protective complex is to great!

[@jonast8333]

+Snowi Owl This is the worst Coaching style i ever heard of lol

[@Snowiowlplayes]

+Jonas T Yep, good intentions with wrong ideals and wrong tools

[@XxTIDJxX]

Hey mate . Do you think you can become a coach with a level silver / gold? Thank you for all your videos.

[@LSXYZ9]

+Jimmy Leeman I talk about this in this video.

[@lakez5767]

I have sooo many good fucking questions for this guy

[@illiksis]

God bless time stamps

[@Ferret591]

LS, I believe you said somewhere, I'll paraphrase, "If you've played for 2-3 years and you're gold or plat, you can never go pro, except the 0.00001% chance...". Do mean that from a biological standpoint or a mentality one? You mentioned the chess grandmasters having unique brainwaves, do you think that applies to league, and is that something that cannot be trained? I've played League for ~3 years, but I would say for about 2 of them I just played blindly and didn't actually work to improve. This last year I've worked on improving myself as a player with knowledge rather than simply logging games. Do you think a shift in mindsets like that (going from a Call of Duty blind shooting game to a chess-like strategy game) is able to give me the boost I need to make it, not even pro, but at least Master or Challenger, or has my biology forever doomed me to just below high level gameplay in everything I play?

[@octavioavila6548]

he also said "if you are trying to get better you already lost", so because you now have this mindset of "I'm ready to consciously take steps to improve at the game!" you already lost your chances to do so. You were supposed to reach Master, Grandmaster, and/or Challenger during your "Call of Duty, mindless playing phase". The fact that you didn't already means that you won't be able to. As a result, whatever rank (+- 2 tiers) you reached after the 3 years you played League is the MMR range where you belong forever, for the rest of your time playing League and it will never be higher or lower than that no matter how much you practice or learn

[@tomzablee]

I just can't believe he actually understands most of the shit he says. The most shocking thing of all is that he actually thinks he is qualified to coach challengers, and is deluded that just because he has played such an absurd amount of games that somehow he has amazing knowledge of the game

[@kenohadzic]

I can't believe the logic of that gold guy, it is so aggravating. -.-"

[@XaladinPalantir]

Is this guy actually a gold coach with 7k ranked games played? Thats absurd, can someone confirm this

[@Gkario]

It is confirmed after 2 years he is still gold 5 on the worst server of league "burstfire 304" XD

[@ReaperRyan]

Gold 5 wot

[@Hitori06]

moral of the story and TL;DR if you didn't watch it, lastshadow knows what he's talking about

[@AllenIsBored]

These screen shots that were taken, what's the context behind them, was this discussion actually intentional towards the comparison of his and your ideals for what "coaching" is? Or is he actually just messing around and looping around like he's picking at random shit in a party bag?

[@LSXYZ9]

+AllenIsBored He went on to insult me after the talk ended / if you listen to the talk you'll understand their relevancy following the conclusion.

[@Legio__X]

+lastshadow9 This was great from you. Do you not desire to coach at the professional level anymore? I would love to see it happen again. I would be a big supporter 😊

[@lakez5767]

what if he gets the upper hand in lane? I ofc have to respect it but how do I get on a mutual playing field again asap? what are the opportunities I should be looking for when im behind

[@youthinkyourcoolhuh]

What is the best way to contact LS for coaching. I don't want to just randomly hit his Skype... unless that is the way to do it?

[@wonshieklim8346]

You always want the most optimal play just as LS says because if you let them have a chance if you don't I also let LS coaching style

[@davidmuhs4590]

"the way you can avoid him dying is at the start say hey dont worry keep drinking keep drinking because evenutally he'll relize ooh i actually dont like drinking ill stop so he stops because he doesnt like it not because its bad for him" .___. wow LS idk why u would keep talking to him but i know im done. have a good day.

[@Seimons1]

I see you like shuffiling poker chips. Is it for stress/meditation purposes? Have you tried chinese meditation balls? They got the same idea you should try em out if you havent.

[@tempname4039]

OCE guy makes a good point when he says most people can't stomach all the facts at once. It is like how teachers teach basic maths first then reveal 'more correct' variations of algebra later on. I don't like how LS tries to belittle and sort of bully the OCE guy. The OCE guy isn't a con artist - he clearly means well and from the sound of it, gets results.

[@LSXYZ9]

+Temp Name Yeah you didn't watch the video.

[@tempname4039]

lastshadow9 I watched the whole thing. Dude, I like your content but sometimes I think you make people nervous because they don't want you to make them look dumb. Some of the students for example, they agree to stuff they clearly didn't understand. I'm not saying to dumb what you say down but maybe bear it in mind?

[@LSXYZ9]

+Temp Name "Clearly means well" -> Acknowledges that he lies/will continue to lie to players and thinks that a "win is a win" even if you could've "won" better. > Openly states he has no problem with the money-making scheme > Actually thinks its normal to have 7k games played and be as low as he is. The thing about not being able to stomach everything at once is rubbish. I broke that apart within the first 30minutes.

[@johnston4417]

What are some adcs to pick up to learn the game from the adc position? I used to play graves, but with his changes i don't think he is good for beginners in the adc role.

[@GarbageGust]

Jinx, miss fortune, lucian, Caitlyn, sivir. They're all fairly basic and not too hard to play.

[@Legio__X]

Ls I think after the first hour you were wasting your time. Some people just aren't going to get it unfortunately. You made your points crystal clear and he still had no fucking clue.

[@gusramirez5647]

There was almost nothing gained from this conversation, it was obscure analogies that never really panned to mean anything meaningful (from both speakers) On several occasion they switched metaphors to the point where I couldn't tell which part of the metaphor the speak is supposed to be. I am a huge fan of LS but I believe calling the other coach a fraud wasn't the correct way to handle the situation especially considering how open minded the other guy was coming into it. EDIT: It's hardly making him a fake, for example my older brother is a GM in sc2 and was giving me lessons because he wanted me to be semi decent (I'm plat which is shitter elo). He didn't spam everything I could need to know about sx2 in my face at the same time he started off in bite sized increments, ie vision, reading builds, macro. I believe this is similar to what the OCE coach is doing, selective teaching based on their current skill level, comprehension ability.

[@LiquidSasha]

I know its not that sort of channel but it would be really nice if you uploaded a smurfing video where you explain your thought process, I know it will probably never happen though.

[@lakez5767]

whats the reason behind the some of the decisions you tell us to make in game

[@SukkMyScope]

@lastshadow9 Please read, you may find it helpful. The dude discussing with lastshadow9 is making me cringe pretty hard. I only watched like half of the video before making this comment but anyways: He started the video basically by saying his "problem" with lastshadows coaching, and then slowly drifted towards talking about how lastshadows way of coaching was just a "way of coaching that doesn't work for everyone" The problem with this is, lastshadow KNOWS his coaching doesn't work for everyone, so it's not a problem. Because the people that lastshadows coaching DOES work for, are the people who will find the most success and the only people who (also in my opinion) are worth coaching. Also I'd like to just clear something up that the reason you guys got stuck on the nicotine patch analogy for a while is because it simply doesn't fit correctly into the discussion lol. So we established that the nicotine patch is a quicker solution than the sessions of therapy. But the nicotine patch was the equivalent to lastshadows coaching while the sessions were the equivalent to the other guys coaching. When in reality the other guy is the one teaching the meta and is the one that is giving the "quick fix". While even though last shadows coaching may only be one session, if you apply the knowledge, it's a much longer fix and will lead to less backsliding during meta shifts than the other guys coaching. Which means in this analogy lastshadow would actually be the sessions of therapy and not the nicotine patch. But overall just a shitty analogy to bring into the discussion lol. Overall throughout this entire video lastshadow was right in the sense that: Learning the fundementals is the only way to reach the highest level of success in league over the course of many metas. Therefore teaching it is the most effective way of coaching. Lastshadow never states that his coaching will work for everyone, but he does state that for anyone that applies his coaching CORRECTLY will see the best results. And that it's not his problem if they cannot apply it correctly, because the only people he is concerned with are the people that can apply it correctly. The only critique i can give to last shadow is that there are less advance but still FUNDAMENTAL lessons that you can teach. For example, you go on a lot about very advanced lane positioning, which IS fundamentals. But you could also talk about little tips and tricks for lower elo players involving how to cs more efficiently, which would still fall into the category of fundamentals. So basically my point is, something that neither of you touched on is that you STILL COULD teach bronze - gold players fundamentals by teaching them little tips to cs better such as "keep an eye on the caster minions auto attack flying through the air to know when the minion will die and to hit it right before it does". So tips like these would allow you to teach lower elo players without having to give them meta - reliant tips that would serve as the "bandaid" you described that you wanted to avoid giving them.

[@zoucrane]

The salt at the end Damn

[@mavelol]

so... that was sad.. do you plan on making more of these with people who actually know what they're talking about?

[@jasonsidequest]

I wish you were a teacher at my school >_

[@oOD1ROSEOo]

lastsavage9

[@avlad94]

do you have to make that clipping sound all the time?

[@RedSnail98]

Burstfire301 is not a coach and will never be. Fact

[@ACloseOne]

Why ?

[@LebronMike]

@@burstfirelol745 2+2=5 btw gold player thousands of games btw

[@pspsora]

i think u use a shit ton of metaphors instead of walking through concepts. i think even u will agree that u will bring up a point throw down an example then say "you know" i think that's one of the biggest things that this guy should bring up. but at the same time breaking it down is kinda irrelevant. id like to see when to bring up these tatics or when these do apply or even attachign them to champs or roles

[@SunnyDNintendoGamer]

LS this doesn't have anything to do with the argument on coaching but more on the part where Creationism was used as an argument to prove another point. I agree with you on the coaching standpoint for the most part at least. But specifically, I really would urge you to look at evidence for both sides of the Christian religion debate if you already haven't. From the way that you talk I am assuming that you are more self-aware than most people. But in accordance with the fact that I used to be a strong atheist, and therefore I was not biased initially. After spending countless hours researching I currently believe otherwise. Not saying my mind can't be changed because only a fool disregards new evidence. Not really needing a response but just want to make sure you truly look at the situation. I suggest Carm for a purely logic based argument.

[@ByOmniscient]

ending was worth the 2 hours. rekt

[@khaledsuleman8394]

I know this is kind of off topic but how can I play on Korea if I dont live there?

[@ljaquos]

I feel a little silly because I haven't watched yet, but what is a November Coach?

[@LSXYZ9]

+ljaquos A November Coach is someone who decides to coach because they like the idea of being someone in the scene, and are attempting to do so through the outlet/option of becoming a coach. In November 2014 Riot made it an official requirement for teams to have a coach, and thus the job was made through this rule. I coined the term "November Coachs" to describe the people who aren't suited for coaching/don't actually want to coach, but just rather want to fill the role. I believe they do more harm than good to players in the long run and it's extremely disingenuous that people would willingly opt to fill a slot they're not (yet) qualified for. Similar to January Analysts (Janalysts or Janitor analysts) who've entered the scene during season 6 because now all teams are on board with such roles.

[@ljaquos]

+lastshadow9 Ah, okay. Thanks LS!

[@ljaquos]

I know I'm not LS, but in my opinion one of the most important things to know is the psychological mindset of each individual player on your team. Know what type of stimuli that particular player responds to, and that's something that I felt went very wrong with TSM when Regi took over for Loco. Especially with Dyrus. I know everything is fine now, but from where I sat, Dyrus was very depressed and felt his voice wouldn't be heard or simply was being ignored, so he didn't want to do it anymore. And that's one of the worst mindsets a player can ever be in. But that's just my thoughts, and I'm definitely not a coach.*****

[@ljaquos]

Well in terms of what you have to do, it seems like you have to show up and show a basic knowledge of the game. As for what one SHOULD do, you should understand what's good, why it's good, how to improve a player, etc etc etc. It's very involved and requires a lot of refreshing.*****

[@octavioavila6548]

@@LSXYZ9 Haha our whole society is filled with people like this! We even get November Presidents every now and then

[@IamSteda91]

Im not through the video yet... but with the comparison of coaching styles, i'm surprised the "give a man a fish he will be fed for a day but learn a man to fish and he will be fed for a livetime" isn't used. With the OCE coach style I don't how his style would fit in this? He wants to give him fishes even though he explained how to fish with a rod? This doesn't make any sense... Also the OCE person his analogies are so bad... He contradicts himself constantly but he doesn't notice it, because he doesn't understand his own analogies.

[@LSXYZ9]

+IamSteda91 I use a similar analogy with the "You're criticizing me for teaching them how to get a job, rather than give them $20"

[@Legio__X]

+lastshadow9 You having only 44k subs on YT seems almost criminal. I don't understand. Your content is so good man.

[@gangsterholla179]

+J Gibbs people who watch KZbin videos don't want to watch a video a 2 hour long video. Most just want the quick 5 min meta answer.

[@CraynRotMG]

CS as in challenger series or counter strike?

[@Kingkumar1999]

The use of remainders is a perfect example of what he is doing, you tell someone to keep the stuff they cant devide on the side because the dont have the level to devide things under 0 yet. Even tho remainders aren't correct in the rest of math

[@WaghRules]

What is a november coach?

[@lakez5767]

what are my priorities and why

[@lakez5767]

do I prioritize infernal drag over a tower?

[@lakez5767]

should I 1v1 someone that is a higher level then me but is behind an item (given the mechanical skill level is equal)

[@angglenn530]

+lastshadow9 , i hope u got paid for this 2 hours

[@jakobrosslin5081]

+jason dead jennifer It's a discussion.. Not a session.

[@angglenn530]

***** man he wasted 2 hours talking to some one with below 90 iq , make a wish coming true bogan 4 life

[@MrPablo385]

53:16 LS triggered, his soraka jung counterganks were dope

[@lakez5767]

why do you tell people to play annie

[@lakez5767]

he tells you what to do... but not why I hate it

[@Tahmid]

What's causing that sound you are consistently making like some plastic chips??

[@lakez5767]

what is it you will gain from it

[@asian1599]

he is in gold?

[@togaedcrown58]

Barely. Gold 5 with 0 points lol

[@yrgamer1249]

hey ls what are good basic champs for each role

[@dfsakmojndsfakoj]

Annie and malphite.

[@Bezmenov93]

+hi im poppy perfect!

[@NekoViper]

Tryndamere is the perfect champion. play him everywhere.

[@MegaJimjam1234]

Woa nonono, is this burst fire301? He isn't even a coach, he was an analyst for a challenger team, whom recently got banned for his challenger community, due to him being completely and utterly rude and condescending, he is also extremely arrogant, and as I said, due to this natural attitude of rudeness etc. he got banned from his challenger community, so LS he isn't even a challenger coach.