Manchester City’s Alleged FFP Breaches & Chelsea’s Spending Spree | Overlap Fan Debate Part 1

The Overlap is back and we’re in our brand new home, ready for a debate.
We’ve got Gary Neville, Jamie Carragher, and some of the biggest fan channels across the country.
First up we look at Manchester City, and the news surrounding the alleged FFP breaches. We’re joined by Matt Slater & Sam Lee from The Athletic to share insight on the rulings, before diving into Chelsea’s spending spree.
We’ve got Part Two & Three coming out very soon, subscribe now & make sure to turn notifications on.
00:00-25:35 Manchester City’s FFP breaches
25:36-36:50 Chelsea’s spending spree

[@stuartswanton1676]

Great idea getting the journalists involved, adds a lot of information rather than just speculation to these chats.

[@FuncleB]

Matt Walker is a class act. Should get Kieran Maguire on at somepoint too 👍🏻

[@lee97ynwa74]

Football doesn't have much talk about actual Football these days does it?

[@Vss86]

Not a fan ! Should just be fans Or carra neville should have checked all the facts before coming on Otherwise it be full of journos sitting out in front

[@Adsddg]

Only thing to pick at is maybe a bit longer. But yeah much more interactive, great show

[@benhopson95]

Robbie has been relegated

[@aaronconnolly935]

Gary loves the phrase “The next 12-18 months “ 😂

[@rhvon_5813]

🤣

[@Matt-ft2fc]

And “at this moment in time”

[@ImranMalik-xl1iy]

And to be fair

[@leedavies7214]

I wish I played for Liverpool

[@itsagameaboutfindingspace6352]

Harry Kane is gold

[@Moltzenn]

Robbie did well to restrain himself after uttering the name Samir Nasri, thought he was gonna throw hands for a moment there..

[@ravd8082]

sheikh Mansour owes it to the payers of man city his firm ADUG has secretly being funded sponsorship deals on behalf of Etihad airways for the last 10 years

[@andrewking_8]

Let’s goooo! Always a great convo. Thankfully the City news didn’t come out right after this was recorded

[@HitmanKurt]

Fergie winning another PL 10 years after the final whistle in his final game?! …..The ultimate Fergie time.

[@Supersleuth42]

He’s busy paying back the hundreds of thousands in tax that he avoided whilst United manager!

[@lukeoneill513]

😂 You little genius

[@fox2569]

Lmao

[@daquaviousbingleton9763]

Ferguson masterclass he predicted this

[@NOORAHMED-wi8hy]

Few days ago - Pep calls out 9 PL Clubs writing to PL to have City Banned,while Chelsea spend 600M Few days later - PL Sanction City PL not Corrupt?😂

[@1977Suspiria]

Before I watch this, somebody better get Carragher to address his comments about Martinez, he's been ducking the topic for months. 😆

[@TheOverlap]

Stay tuned 👀

[@Parky_1712]

Need to get Howson on here for that!!

[@samknightley4173]

@@TheOverlap get in

[@LoCoAde87]

Do we ignore the United fans majorly screaming at Ten Haag to move him to DM or LB after a couple of games too???

[@Parky_1712]

@@LoCoAde87 Yes, cause they're idiots

[@goofysmp]

This has got to be my favourite football channel rn. Everyone gets a chance to say their peace and they’re all really knowledgeable people

[@natmol1595]

Kiss arse clown world loves you too

[@UvKal_zA]

This was brilliant! Thank you so much for the amazing content 🙏🔥

[@edwardisyagi7888]

Am glad Gary has mentioned the price factors for positions in football...it's hard to make sense. Football agents, press and clubs need to be put to check

[@iam-man]

Football agents are a cancer , surely there's alternatives to these parasites...

[@drep9028]

Agree...I would say that's a better way to attempt to limit a monopoly.

[@thomasrichards3760]

As with anything, it’s not what you know - but who you know. £30-40M worth of player like Ruben Neves move to Wolves in Championship - when every top club in Europe would have taken him for right price.

[@thomasrichards3760]

Players and agents now run the market of transfers. All the power is in the hands of the players, and clubs will work with likes of Mendea and Kia Jorabarichshsgan to smooth those costs. Ruben Neves doesn’t end up at Wolves, and Tevez/Mascherano never play for West Ham

[@PLUTOXGOAT]

It's a very socialist type concept, trying to limit the gap between the top and the bottom. It will never work.

[@sibusisokhosa8127]

Great show guys,appreciate the content

[@colinburns9736]

Good watch. Well done to all. Decent debate. Respect. Learning. Great stuff. Do more of this. Enough said.

[@dylancarey7711]

Agreed. Nice work.

[@JanCastellari]

Nice format - looking forward to watching into the future

[@alexunitedstand2210]

"The equivalent of when your gf asks to show your phone and you refuse" LOOOOOOOOL

[@Boyd2ubaikie]

You're basically vindicating City with that point.

[@Dakay22]

these videos just brighten up my day. thank you very much.

[@joncamilleri2172]

I love what this channel is doing, the interviews and supporter debates. Having a home is important, so the studio is a good decision.

[@notafuckingvlogger]

Get a grip

[@joncamilleri2172]

@@notafuckingvlogger Thanks for the comment

[@Ranamon9132]

@@notafuckingvlogger maybe you should? :)

[@andrew13yt]

​@@Ranamon9132 He was probably doing that while he typed with his other hand

[@J1_A1]

Couldn’t agree more with Gary about his view on FFP, it’s just a way to keep the big clubs at the top, nothing fair about it

[@callumw6031]

Gary is bang on the money on FFP and sustainability within football, even though it does serve his best interests at Salford

[@paulmallon9292]

Its a pretty socialist model. It won't ever happen. I'm not saying it shouldn't but it is hugely unlikely.

[@jayjay3334]

And of course he will change once United is bough by a Qatari investor 😁

[@benhopson95]

Robbie has been relegated

[@thinlizzywhiskeyinmejar7484]

I think Chev Neville is against the FFP exactly because of Salford. He said in a interview on Sky Sports that owners should be spend how much they want. Maybe he's changing his tone, because he knows majority are against it. He shifts his stand constanstly.

[@boatymcboatyface]

@@thinlizzywhiskeyinmejar7484 When FFP was pitched, it was to stop clubs from going into administration. If an owner puts up their own money (not debt in the club's name), then it can't hurt the club. FFP was stated to help clubs become sustainable, in reality it's biggest impact was cementing existing hierarchies and increasing inequality between clubs.

[@beatzguy]

Can’t wait for the part where Joe calls out Carragher again! UP THE PADDOCK

[@ab0596]

Gimp

[@samknightley4173]

Same here, wanna see his takes on Liverpool and ask Jamie what his opinion is on Licha now

[@Ladtyuven223]

Is that the half horse, half man ponytail guy that sits through watchalongs looking like he wants to die all the time? “oh, 2-0 cool😔”

[@bluesEvanskro]

Lol United fans always make it about themselves

[@bluesEvanskro]

@@Ladtyuven223wait who’s that he sounds sad poor guy

[@ggates2500]

Great show & great format, cheers for doing this. PLEASE sort out some compression & limiting in the audio level haha

[@mancityscot]

Fair play to Steven, did well. Can't be easy being in a room where 90% of who's there have already made up their mind that city are guilty.

[@Efcdan1878]

99% , City fans are showing selective blindness , they have cheated .... FFP is unfair at times but they bought the Etihad naming rights off Manchester council for £2m and sold them for £300m literally the next day , inflated sponsors to cheat round FFP

[@zofiamayadams8780]

Good to see you back! Get the next parts up quick :)

[@willfraser6385]

Can’t wait to see this live in June !

[@mixitube489]

This is a very good type of football talk show. Getting foorball journalists and football l personalities and experts together in person to discuss. Just come across it and subscribed. Love it.

[@tjfaber3071]

Exactly 💯 💯 what I needed 👏 thanks overlap

[@Manu-ij7hk]

Was waiting for this one 🙂

[@konkerballs1]

Lovely, can't wait for the Dublin show.. Overlap has been well missed...

[@johndoherty6729]

I love the over lap, great show!

[@davidb9059]

Looking forward to watching loads more episodes .

[@20undy10]

🎵 Citys going down with a billion in the bank, a billion in the bank 🎵

[@MrMarketingGuy]

City's - as in City is - just love correcting people like you!

[@Eggshells4life]

@@MrMarketingGuy not this time

[@mister3566]

@@MrMarketingGuy penis

[@20undy10]

@@MrMarketingGuy * slow clap *

[@jmacmcfc4662]

WE DO WHAT WE WANT WE DO WHAT WE WANT.... WERE MAN CITY WE DO WHAT WE WANT... CITY CITY

[@MickeyRedNose]

Nice one, just sat down with a cup of tea. Cheers ☕

[@edd1e316]

The City fan is always torture on this.

[@Airyed]

Yeah wish others were given a chance

[@Ricardo-ur5os]

Seriously, he actually thinks he sounds so smart. He words stuff like he thinks he’s sounding so poetic and wise yet he speaks a whole lot of crap 😂

[@Efcdan1878]

Kick em out

[@georgeheaton]

I’m glad Sam Lee from The Athletic is on here he’s great on podcasts out there and a really eloquent bloke who knows his stuff 👍🏻

[@willyt6616]

Love the overlap!

[@mathrockmaniac7643]

Absolutley love Neville even as a City fan, he always has a good point of view most of the times, one of the best pundits out there in my opinion.

[@3bladeninja21]

🤣🤣💀

[@ANGELOFDARKification]

A lot of people wouldn't give him a hard time if he wasn't ex-United imo. They think he has an agenda for rivals even though he's said great things about Liverpool, City and Arsenal. He is definitely biased around United and specifically Ole but you can't throw your boy under the bus 😂

[@3bladeninja21]

@@ANGELOFDARKification Hargreaves is an ex united fan and he is much more level headed. Also doesn't get a hard time. It's not because of the club.

[@ringlora2]

yea not like them liverpool pundits that just slag united off every time they are on, and if it's not united it's united's players.

[@nikonumminen]

As a city fan respect to gary neville👏

[@Killerkwoi13]

Great show, good to see a couple of new faces now from some clubs as well.

[@YouTube]

popcorn is ready 🍿 this'll be a good one.

[@josephrose8723]

Agree with Gary, why should the same so called 'traditional elite clubs' be the only clubs that can win titles!!!!

[@PLUTOXGOAT]

Because that's how football and sports work. The best clubs and the best teams win

[@Smokey_MR2]

Its simple, I see the Overlap I hit like and sit back to enjoy! Always fantastic content, just wish there were more of them!

[@Smokey_MR2]

@@barker1438 Agree with that, so wish it was more often but I guess hard for Gary and Carra with their workloads. Thanks for the comment bud!

[@jimjam_games5783]

Brilliant, love the new studio. Will enjoy this

[@D3athW1ng]

Lol the phone Comment at 14:10 was hilarious 🤣🤣🤣 - spot on

[@peikernchua3850]

Great content ❤

[@AlngBalin]

Well spoken Steve. These rival teams are just jealous. Coming from a Real Madrid fan.

[@Gargamel616]

Jealous of who? We've got more than double their trophies! That goes for Liverpool, Arsenal and Manchester United.

[@TheRobotsWillEatYou]

Jealous? City are about to be relegated, see if we're jealous then lmao

[@TheSaladin777]

Jealous of being at the centre of one of the biggest scandals of English football history? LOL yeah super jealous gronk!

[@abrahamsneo7783]

They're indeed jealous. The premier league elites conspired against City to weaken the club.

[@JohnnyNagaSins]

How can we be jealous of a plastic club, your club was sponsored by the Spanish Royal family for half a century, say no less.

[@theianprender-cast3863]

Fantastic to have the Fan Debates back, love the new studio set-up… but go back to the longer form edit, please. I understand why you’d want to edit for time, but it makes the episodes and the chat a bit clunky. The best format is the one you allow to breathe.

[@8innergate]

Love this but for the editors @The Overlap could use some better audio compression or limiting, hard to find a good volume

[@phatbi971]

Wow this new studio is wonderful 🔥

[@no9scrum]

Boelhy's contract model is based on the American sports contract models.... where you have massively long contracts but they have no issues with paying players severance fee's to cut them from the squad if they dont work. I see more and more players being cut than sold on if it doesn't work for them there, alternatively they always seem to have the ability to loan players out

[@Shrewdy1]

Works better in the American model where they have salary caps - so if they tie a key player down to a long term contract, it opens up more room for them to invest in others as the salary cap increases. I just don't see it having the same effect here, in terms of a positive one. Definitely ways it can turn the other way on them

[@no9scrum]

@@Shrewdy1 Not really because you still have the issue of one or 2 players taking up a massive amount of the cap... NFL quarterback salaries take up a huge percentage of the cap on one player... I'd suspect these long term contracts are full of incentives.... so a player will sign a 70k a week contract for 8 years instead of a 140k a week for 4 with the knowledge that each performance marker will result in either a pay out lump sum or a salary increase... If they don't reach the incentives they're stuck on the lower rate of pay which makes it easier to get rid of them if needed to or to simply cut them (although this is unlikely) Mudryk for example would probably be offered almost double what he's on just now but for half the time on the contract were he to have been bought by Utd, City or Madrid

[@asaagdagd]

@@no9scrum Good perspective and valid points!

[@parashit2181]

American sports have no relegation system, once they failed, most teams will tank to pick the best talent available for free. In english football once your experiment failed, you will be stucked and drop to league one just like Sunderland.

[@karabomafa5609]

that is a bad idea..

[@readventurekids]

Love Flav chuckling away with Robbie. Brilliant!

[@Dr.Collins344]

Big credit to Robbie from AFTV giving all these fans their opinion. He started this

[@manutdfanGH]

Give me a dollar each time Neville says: “Independent Regulator”

[@faz1606]

It's getting boring

[@thomasandersen6719]

Or “at this moment in time”

[@fablenumber1fan]

A dollar?

[@MrXaphus]

"absolutely"

[@rayj737]

Independent regulator = arsene wenger, David gill…. STOP THIS RACIST GAME!

[@dblain2729]

Thanks Si for the Chelsea point of view, excellent job explaining how we view things and surviving the barrage of questions from the rival fans about the recruitment tactics. Enjoyed that!

[@bobbythompson6107]

Up the chels

[@FFTsteel]

The way Jamie Caragher says Mudryk gets me all the time. He is even thinking before he says his name 🤣🤣

[@FFTsteel]

@barker143 🤣🤣🤣🤣💥

[@spinynormanbest6410]

If only everyone would think before they spoke 😉😉

[@ZeroTheHeroGOAT]

Let them keep the titles and let them forever be tainted. Relegate them and slap an insanely strict decade long wage and transfer budget limit.

[@GarlicbreadmanOP]

Hope the other parts are released pronto!

[@wriches]

Looking forward to GNev once again doubling down on Arsenal not making the top four!

[@GarlicbreadmanOP]

@@wriches and carra saying something very dumb

[@ottson]

Winston Bogarde lol. Brings back memories

[@OliverPhythian]

It’s brilliant to watch Jamie, Gary and the rest of the panel dodge how much they want to celebrate that this is happening to city after yearssss of slating their financial actions. They’ve got to be waiting for the day it (potentially) comes out to actually celebrate

[@DanReado]

Could listen to matt slater about football finances all day. Great insight 👍

[@VeryIntellijent]

The decision by Chelsea to go down the long-term contract route is all about risk vs reward. Boehly strongly believes football is going to continue experiencing strong growth, particularly on the broadcasting side. For Chelsea to stay aboard the gravy train, they need consistent Champions League football at a bare minimum. With Newcastle back on the rise, we are well on-track to having a big 7. There are only 4 guaranteed Champions League places, and the revenue, exposure, and pulling power of one is crucial to the long-term success of these clubs. Boehly is taking this risk because the alternative is languishing mid-table whilst trying to rebuild over the next 5 or 10 years. Without CL football, and with the revenue gaps between clubs ever-increasing, that rebuild becomes a far more difficult process.

[@asaagdagd]

This is very true

[@Tom-qb1rj]

I mean it’s a one window thing as we can’t do it next window so it’s not really a long term thing

[@toastybutt]

if city is not guilty as they say, why did they pay the 10 mil fine and why didn't they contest it??

[@buffywhatever1093]

Great content this, Gaz & Carra knocking it outta the park……and to think we had to tolerate Keys & Gray for so long, can you imagine the set they’d have built, a boys club with dolly birds serving them gin & tonics, babbling on about black boots and foreign players diets!!!

[@inghell]

I disagree with the Man City fan massively. Just because you support the team doesn't mean you can be so blinkered to what's going on. It was almost as if he was trying to play the victim in this situation. As a fan I would be fuming if the club's reputation is potentially going to be dragged through the mud because those in charge have decided they don't want to play by the rules to such a level that Premier League launched an investigation into this.

[@abrahamjames7004]

Nope we're not, they tried to make us successful and that they've done... If it's proven they took illegal means to invest more of their personal money in the club, that's a great sacrifice I'd forever admire... I'm not one for social morality

[@Beyond_Belief534]

Blinkered? Where's the proof that you've been privvy to then? How have you established guilt?

[@TheSaladin777]

@@Beyond_Belief534 delusional

[@pritapp788]

The City fan clearly doesn't understand that "match fixing" and "doping substances" are not the only ways you can rig a level playing field in your favour. Very biased and blinded. Actually, even the term "financial doping" used by Neville and Carragher is a euphemism for the allegations: stating that a business is bringing in more income than it actually does is fraud, pure and simple. In non-football contexts a business doing that would be in serious trouble.

[@KhaledKhaled-ld6nq]

fuming ? all relaxed because i'm sure city innocent dragging city into this right now not a coincidence for sure something fishy going around to put pressure on city and make arsenal in comfort zone winning the title , everybody talking about how city will get punish but forgotten how city will respond and react to this

[@daphnewabule1399]

Matt Slater is my favourite person to listen to talking about football finance

[@jamiesefton2430]

I’m a Liverpool fan and I obviously feel a fierce rivalry with city and an intense hatred of how they’ve obviously (fairly or not) bought their success. However, the fan speaking is how every football fan would defend their team and save their cherished football memories. I think he did a good job articulating his side. Also the football they’ve provided has been incredible and entertaining. There’s just a huge issue with finance in European football as a whole and it needs a complete revolution and new ways of making it as fair as possible.

[@davidhegarty7971]

Very good team but not entertaining. Boring to watch 🥱

[@dxjjw]

@@davidhegarty7971 They’ve become slightly boring while learning to adapt to a proper number 9 but City from 18/19 to 21/22 were amazing to watch

[@zaneplatt3533]

I follow and watch the NFL, NRL, NBA, MLB and Premier League. Of those competitions, the premier league is so much less competitive on average to the point that it is embarassing as a competition. The richest teams win virtually every season and are almost always top 4. The fact that Leicester City was so out of left field is pretty sad to be honest. In the other leagues (even those without a salary cap), you see a vastly superior balance.

[@MCFCTheMadHatter]

@@davidhegarty7971 Pep csnt fox the problems with City team bc he’s effectively the architect of those problems

[@davidhegarty7971]

@@zaneplatt3533 keep your American sports they're rubbish man!

[@seanolusina6058]

I love how they put the 2 culprits at the back of the room 😂

[@martinblomqvist1870]

Why are they culprits?

[@MCFCTheMadHatter]

@@martinblomqvist1870 Bc in his tiny little mind they’re both guilty regardless of what the current facts are. Guaranteed he’s a United, LFC or Arsenal fan and hates the idea of the“nouveau riche” football clubs Chelsea & City competing with against them. Incidentally why many think FFP was really brought into the PL to begin - to ensure the upper class had no new members at the table

[@seanolusina6058]

@@martinblomqvist1870 Sorry mate, I forgot it's 2023 and nobody is allowed to joke about anything anymore. Of course they aren't culprits, I was only fooling around.

[@kieranhardy581]

@@MCFCTheMadHatter someone's fuming.

[@kypl1910]

Love to see the Don!! Robbie being generous letting them all sit in his studio 🙌🙌

[@kurir000]

They need to change their City fan representative

[@briansummers379]

Mate. There's not many out there

[@pritapp788]

What makes you think they'd find a better one?

[@kurir000]

@@pritapp788 there's not a man out there that likes the sound of their voice as much.

[@maryhoss]

great show ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@marccro8363]

That city fan could talk a glass eye to sleep

[@ANGELOFDARKification]

There's a huge misconception here that before Boehly, every club would pay the full amount for a player in the same window. It has always been split over years. Chelsea just stretched it out over 7/8 years instead of 3/4 on the books

[@danniwilder2198]

ANGELOFDARKification Well said feller. 90% of transfer fees are paid over 3 years. Very few transfers are paid all in one lump sum. One thing.....7 and 8 years? Are you sure the transfer fees are being paid in instalments over that long? I know the player contracts are for 7 and 8 years but I wasn't aware the transfer fees were being paid over that length of time as well. In fact I'd be shocked if that is the case. Also I'm sure the Shakhtar owner said something about 3 yearly instalments (I could be wrong though).

[@ANGELOFDARKification]

@@danniwilder2198 I think for FFP they will account it over that many years. In terms of the actual money being sent over, it would probably depend on the club. For e.g. I think Benfica got a decent amount right now but will get 120mill over the next couple seasons. I dont know if that's due to it being a release clause kind of thing though.

[@scottallan7931]

agreed. Chelsea are playing within thr current rules vs what Man City are accused of. They are spreading the cost of these transfers via amortisation across a larger span of time so end of year accounts look healthier. The risk they take is that some expensive signings are a bust and stuck on long contracts. That said if Enzo is a bust after 2 years and they sell him for 70 mill. In their accounts they won't suffer a 35 mill loss on the 105 they spent. They will have likely paid 40 mill by that time so for that financial year they would actually show a profit on that deal and the losses will be smaller over the following years rather than one hit

[@danniwilder2198]

@@ANGELOFDARKification The problems with Benfica came about when they started to insist on the whole payment straight away in one go. Naturally Chelsea were taken aback by this because that's not how things are usually done, especially when the amount involved is so large. It wasn't like Chelsea were asking for anything out of the ordinary. I am very convinced Chelsea were expecting to pay it over 3 years, as is the norm. The fact of it being a release clause that Chelsea were triggering would make no difference to the payment arrangements. Rui Costa was just trying to be difficult with everything. I'm guessing that was because of how he desperately didn't want to lose the player mid season.

[@danniwilder2198]

@@scottallan7931 If a player on a long contract is a 'bust', as you put it, then just like with any other player the club will sell him on. Whether he's on a 5 yr contract or an 8 yr contract it won't make any difference. Why should being on an 8 yr contract make it any harder to sell that player? I'm sorry but I cannot fathom out your figures & calculations at all. Once a player has left a club & is under a contract with another club he does not figure at all for amortisation purposes of the club he's left. Once a player has left Chelsea there is no more amortisation cost for that player. It stops the moment he signs a contract with his new club. There has been much hysteria & it is out of all proportion with the issue. The difference an 8 yr contract makes with a 5 yr contract in respect to the annual amortisation cost of a player is really quite minimal. I estimate the difference for Enzo Fernandez in year one to be about £6.2m & for Mudryk to be about £8.4m and for Badiashile to be about £2.6m. Those figures are for year one. A player's annual amortisation cost is different each year of his contract. I estimate Chelsea overall amortisation cost to be about £23m less this year to what it would've been had those players signed 5 year contracts instead of 7 and 8 year contracts. I'd love to be able to quote Chelsea total 22/23 amortisation amount but that can't be done without having really credible information on every player's length of contract, annual gross salary, & correct transfer fee including what, if any, transfer fee add-ons have been activated to date. To reduce your total amortisation cost by approx £23m in one year is not to be sniffed at & it all helps with FFP, however, £23m is not an amount that is going to impact the plans of Todd Boehly in any kind of way. I'd be very surprised if the main reason for giving young players 7 & 8 year contracts has anything to do with complying with FFP rules. It may be one factor in the club's thinking but I simply cannot believe FFP is THE reason for giving longer contracts.

[@sonofCW]

Saying football experts and then introducing Carragher absolutely made me lol

[@paulLFC93]

Him and Neville are very knowledgeable. Are you the girl he spat on or something ?

[@fayesouthall6604]

What are you talking about. He played the game for 15 plus years. What are your qualifications?

[@andrewmartin2103]

Carragher knowledge great.

[@RBernsCarter]

I think that transfer fees should only be the size of the contract that the player has left. Eg if a player has 3 years left on a £100k a week contract, the transfer fee is just a bit over £15mil

[@d_tbrit8439]

IF found guilty the city players and managers should keep there winners medals, but the club should have all Trophies won stripped away null and void, with no declared winner as its too late to just hand them to teams who came runner-up. Deduct 20 points off city this season and another 20 points start of next season. 5 year transfer ban, give their champions league spot to whoever finished 5th place. £500 Million fine to be paid back over the 5 years (£100m Each Year). Pep will leave along with their best players, all this should bring them back to where they was before the cheating began (2009), they can start over but this time play by the rules. Any future offences will mean automatic relegation to English 4th tier (League two).

[@Beyond_Belief534]

Wow you're amazing at wishful thinking 👏

[@stevesalkas9128]

Stuff them they should go soon as guilty 1 billion fine sell more oil they'll be back in 3 years

[@sidbob1215]

So weird haha

[@Davey11]

Love the studio. Fair play to Neville

[@benhopson95]

Robbie has been relegated

[@kristiangoddard5515]

Journalist’s add real depth to an already brilliant format.

[@olivercampion2360]

gary neville speaking facts on ffp

[@ErlingEra]

Big up Steven! Confident City will prevail and beat these claims! CTID🇧🇼

[@FuncleB]

No chance. 115 breaches, it's not just a few. You're deluding yourselves into thinking you'll be okay.

[@philc1773]

There will be no stripping of titles. So let's not even talk about it. Aguero, coming back at Brighton and then against Villa, all titles were won on the field by the players over a 38 game season. Utd spent a fortune, won nothing! In the end, it boils down to an American, power hungry cartel 'old money' group headed by Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal that didn't like the competition from City! They forced FFP after Chelseas spending in the hope that no other club, a Newcastle, an Everton, a Villa could ever follow! Is that fair play? No it isn't. The cartel and the biggest clubs in Europe have been threatened by City, they don't like what City are doing on and off the pitch and that is the issue. The irony lost on other clubs is hilarious! If City lose this, kiss goodbye to ever breaking into the cartel elite and having your own clubs dreams come to fruition through owner investment! Its that serious, so think about that!

[@fearguspowers238]

Fair play to the Chelsea fan, first time I've ever heard one of their fans speak sense and be eloquent

[@unknownuser5548]

Shame he’s a cobham sexual because he actually speaks alot of good

[@CharlieL292]

What about Rory?

[@fearguspowers238]

What about him?

[@ribhvan8599]

Finally a proper fan representing Chelsea! Always felt that the other Chelsea fan reps were either not passionate, or did not want to be bold and back their club, or just had no clue what was happening and would simply nod at Neville and Carragher's distasteful remarks.

[@gregzor2012]

Wish they touched more on Spurs and Arsenal and how unfair it is to those clubs and others like them that try to bring success organically through smart investment.

[@jonwiltsie107]

Oh please

[@AmitShukla008]

Bludd said Topspur 💀

[@M8Michael]

Ngl love the overlap, but I feel everyone should be sitting in front of Gary and Carra, just feels abit weird people sat behind them

[@_Tricky_]

Man City fan at 13:00 “Yeah I’m not worried….” Then gets incredibly emotional when his view that ‘oh we just spent a bit of money’ is challenged. 😂

[@s.c9573]

He's an absolute muppet

[@JosephAdcock.]

I feel the same cause we'll jist spend money again anyway, honestly I don't care, it's 100% something out fans would do is turn up in absolute numbers if we got relegated for this 😅 like yea it's shit but, I've many other things to worry about 😅😅

[@briansummers379]

Interesting how the guy whose arguably benefitted the most from billionaire owners isn’t really interested about his clubs finances… hmmm… I wonder why

[@Trudon]

This guy is a bell end. Waffles on and on.

[@3allz]

He literally spoke over everyone as soon as they countered his point 🤣

[@robertclarkefeltham5112]

It's "not an idea that no-one has ever thought of before", when we signed Kepa we literally amortized the cost over 7 years

[@AshknFX]

"EPL is the best league", While breaking rules every other season like crazy

[@pritapp788]

If Italian clubs did a fraction of what City is being accused they'd all end up in Serie B or with points penalties ranging from -15 to -30. One country clearly puts its football interests above the rules, and that is not Italy.

[@Efcdan1878]

@@pritapp788 Italian clubs invented corruption

[@williamross6227]

That City fan, is such a City fan

[@Efcdan1878]

They all hate us 😢😢 ....you cheated accept it

[@nivvy19]

thanks for this but the volume levels were all over the place. please fix

[@redplague]

That Man City would talk throughout the entire show if nobody stopped him.

[@kennethkkoech]

it was a discussion about city

[@kennethkkoech]

and he was the only city fan there

[@redplague]

@@kennethkkoech Yeah but he has a habit of babbling on and on and repeats the same things again and again. Even Jamie remarked about it on another Overlap episode.

[@leevanahmed888]

13:50 love how Robbie said "Submit the papers" and the City fan had no reply

[@Mag88909]

You ignored Matt Slater's point then that City would argue the Premier League were on a fishing expedition. Robbie is not an expert on football finance and, like Carragher, his opinion is irrelevant as there is little knowledge to back it up. In litigation, parties don't just open their documents of everything to the other party

[@leevanahmed888]

@@Mag88909is it a fishing expedition when City have been repeat offenders?

[@Mag88909]

@@leevanahmed888 UEFA 2020 case found not guilty. This is the first Prem Lge case so not a repeat offender. Point still stands by Matt Slater re. Fishing expedition

[@leevanahmed888]

@@Mag88909the UEFA case didn't prove that Man City weren't guilty. They got that case overturned because most of the breaches were "time-barred" or had a statute of limitations on it. If you weren't guilty then why'd you have to pay the fine of 30 million?

[@michaelgrasso100]

@@leevanahmed888 The fine was for not cooperating, nothing to do with the charges

[@Paul-yj1ij]

Poor city fan is very much in the denial stage of grief

[@kennethkkoech]

nothing to deny. FFP was meant to stop city

[@benplank434]

Well done Simon Phillips. 💪🏻💪🏻

[@RapierTL]

@9:22 Good one Baz!

[@dangling-donk]

Gary's jacket 😂😂

[@Grossphp]

There's a difference between "keeping up with everyone" and "total domination" for a decade. Its called cheating.

[@Beyond_Belief534]

How have you established cheating? Where's the proof?

[@abrahamsneo7783]

The elite clubs hate to be challenged by a little guy.

[@gershwincharles5347]

AMEN 🙏 SO INSPIRATIONAL 😊

[@breathefitness]

The Man City fan started how he left off, non stop talking. Great to see it back and having journalists there too

[@azucarspacehead442]

The Everton lad is so funny the best part of the show 😂

[@ChrisSpinney]

The two scousers are great, both are always dropping a good line or two.

[@mcfcaguerooo5697]

FFP was implemented to ensure that the biggest clubs will stay at the top forever. What happened with Blackburn, Chelsea and City will never be allowed to happen again. If City are found guilty then be prepared for the EPL to become like the German league or like Scotland. These fans hoping that City get punished should be careful what they wish for.

[@tswelopeleseleka9641]

really love the new setting

[@Ewaja2000]

Honestly the presentator is so good at asking the right questions at the right time with great responses and doesn’t interrupt and lets everyone speak thought this needs to be said thanks for the great show!

[@ryanwbl5157]

The City fan like a cat on a hot-tin roof sidestepping and making excuses. Love to see it.

[@arnisonxxvi]

He's a proper gimp

[@Beyond_Belief534]

I don't particularly like Steven, but he was spot on here. There's no excuses, there's no reason for him to doubt the club yet. Oh and he's right about biased rivals like you that are assuming guilt without the proof.

[@KellysHeroes777]

100% just made a bunch of random excuses to explain why they cheated

[@fiveminus411]

@@Beyond_Belief534 he literally said he would be the same if it was Utd, there's no need to play victim. These are rival clubs, it happens.

[@lesliegrace8360]

He is defo waffling to save skin

[@dothecapback]

good to see our guy joe smith in the mix