The Legendary Pokémon Problem (and How to Fix It)

[@siragon756]

The video in a nutshell : Long ago, the legendaries lived together in harmony Then, everything changed when the Battle Frontiers were built

[@DeltaDiggs796]

Honestly yeah, okay but what if, arceus just copy/pasted new ones for the sake of humans feeling special. No that wouldn't work cuz of the regi's storyline

[@justaotter2085]

@@DeltaDiggs796 yep arceus the goat

[@DeltaDiggs796]

@@justaotter2085 THE GOAT- oop, what if like it is true, also technically solgaleo and lunala are everywhere because they are the sun and moon, so it makes since that they aren't that rare

[@mixmasterisboredlol4376]

this is surprisingly accurate

[@sir.zermaroon3894]

@@DeltaDiggs796 Arceus: "Welp, why is my save file full??" Giratina: "Maybe because you have *100 birds??*

[@abcmegalovania5227]

Pokemon: Is strong, and has a backstory. Micheal: "There is another."

[@charliemcfadden5882]

This took me a minute but goddamn it's an underrated comment

[@Alex-gr9eu]

@@charliemcfadden5882 it wont be underrated if it gets 1 more like

[@dogefan12349]

@@charliemcfadden5882 Not really imo

[@dogefan12349]

"Micheal"

[@Awoken0]

@@charliemcfadden5882 Yet another person who doesn't know what underrated is.

[@nathoghazi5026]

“And when everyone is legendary, nobody will be.” -Syndrome

[@cintronproductions9430]

RIP Syndrome. You were taken away from us way too soon. 😭

[@themostbritishpersonalive868]

Charizard is a legendary now-gamefreak

[@reversehavoc720]

Technically he said Super, not legendary, but point still stands

[@mrgears3045]

@@reversehavoc720 he literally just changed the quote, have you not seen the amount of “when everyone’s___” where super is changed into something to fit the joke?

[@reversehavoc720]

First off, I said the point still stands, second, no, I haven't

[@aaroncallahan119]

I love how the lore about Cosmog boils down to the citizens witnessing a Lunala and Solgaleo getting freaky and making more baby Cosmogs.

[@MegaBebb]

Personally, I would discount any scenario where multiple legendary show up as a result of battle towers/frontiers/factories. They seem to me to only exist as an extra post-game challenge

[@bonkregulator5237]

yes

[@dennisdexter5602]

Yea I think so too

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

But do they exist in universe then?

[@dennisdexter5602]

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 battle frontier is basically an AI PvP simulation for post game fun

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@dennisdexter5602 I mean Annabel pops up in SuMo, so they do exist. And she has Raikou

[@mr.sheeppeehs4204]

Considering Argenta has so many legendaries, she’s probably a main character

[@keylimepython641]

Or she's a hacker

[@mr.sheeppeehs4204]

@@keylimepython641 maybe

[@Xman34washere]

Pokèmon Magenta

[@froaki3dokie72]

Or she’s Tobias’ mother

[@silvergameryair2084]

Probably lmao

[@riol2_]

“That’s not a legend, that’s just questionable corporate activity.” Another amazing quote.

[@NeonWasInUse]

couldn't the same go for Mewtwo as well? Why were they even cloning Mew to the make "Perfect Pokémon" in the first place!?

[@riol2_]

@@NeonWasInUse he explained the difference with mewtwo in the video, and they wanted to make a perfect pokemon because...humanity is stupid or something idk

[@killuazoldyckfan9428]

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[@slevinchannel7589]

Any Idiot knows how to fix most of Gamefreaks Problems. They dont even put as much money as they should into this Important Franchise of theirs, so even the most simple ideas like "Put more money into it" will work. Let alone stuff a 6-Years old can think up. Let alone stuff a 10-Years old can think up. Tutorial-Skip for example? 20 Years ago, games had these already. Way to go, Gamefreak. Not gifting Legendarys, not making them worthless and uninteresting? Yeah, dont defend it: It's objectively a fact that Little Kids know this is not right to do. I even have prove, cause i have seen 6-Years old literally say this - and no, i did not bias them beforehand. Nope.

[@kaytedids6058]

Why are your comments a hour apart like did you watch twice or think of it later?

[@ryane5281]

By these criteria, in Scarlet and Violet, the ruin legendaries are still legendaries but the box legends are now just alternate forms of Cyclizar

[@CrownedRex]

That's exactly what they are lol

[@footman77]

I mean, they're really just strong paradox pokemon

[@macemierisch6363]

They were never legendary. It doesn’t make much sense for cyclizar to go from legendary to normal back to legendary through time. They are only legendary because of their importance in the story.

[@LanzagranadasM79]

Well, yeah. Koraidon/Miraidon are Paradox Pokémon, not legendaries. I mean, Koraidon could have been considered legendary if there were records and stories of it from ancient times. But it's impossible for Miraidon or anything that literally comes from the future to be a legend.

[@jaybee946]

@@macemierisch6363 That part is totally possible. Natural selection could have made them smaller and weaker but more numerous. But then pushed them into a different niche where they're again more rare and more powerful. Evolution has caused plenty of animal species to get smaller and weaker, and then caused them to become larger and stronger again.

[@chrispna3041]

When he said “legendary zoo” all I thought was a legendary Pokémon petting zoo, and there’s a little five year old girl petting the god Pokémon

[@potato1094]

Who's a good God of creation and literally created the universe, you are, you are.

[@sanscipher435]

@@potato1094 *purrs a star to death*

[@jettspunchact6887]

Aw look mommy it's the Pokemon that literally created our universe

[@cosmictoast7615]

i just looked at this comment and saw that it has a funny number of likes

[@runiqe]

Imagine Yveltal being petted, and he likes it so much, that he curls up into an egg.

[@Kirbosmith]

Ok, everyone knows that the only reason that Mewtwo qualifies as a legendary is because nobody is stupid enough to make a second after what happened with the first.

[@nousername191]

Also, you'd have to get your hands on Mew DNA or worse in the original game that was changed, an actual Mew and impregnate it with its clone. Does that mean that technically Mewtwo is the Phione case done through science but stronger?

[@Kirbosmith]

@@nousername191 I guess?

[@urdeadnotbigsuprise7439]

@@Kirbosmith so does that mean Mewtwo is Mew's long lost son?

[@Kirbosmith]

@@urdeadnotbigsuprise7439 uhhhhhhhhhh

[@urdeadnotbigsuprise7439]

@@Kirbosmith what's the matter? I can roll with that

[@gandalfdergraue6005]

I never really thought about it but I think I always instinctively classified the Battle Towers, etc. as non-canon. I mean isn't it just fan service so we can have some awesome fights against Pokémon we usually only encounter once?!

[@theendersmirk5851]

Second option: what if all the Pokemon are simulated?

[@5thar]

Exactly, it also gives Mons past gen 4 an advantage as if gen 5 had a fronter they would totally use the genies and sword of justice😅😅

[@susear5939]

Barry just went fatherless in your thoughts🙁

[@secretlysaber5654]

@@susear5939 just like everyone in pokemon

[@cuddlebug9699]

Yes but they are canon in stuff like the anime and manga right?

[@InquisitorThomas]

I think Scarlet and Violet proves an alternative to this theory, I don’t think the issue with Legendaries isn’t necessarily that there are too many, its that legendaries are kinda Samey, you can only have so many “Stoic embodiments/guardians of the natural world that nobly wait for you to catch them after fighting the villainous team leader for the final time” before it gets old, and man has it gotten old. But I love Miraidon and Koraidon, and recently Ogrepon and heck even the Loyal Three because these legendaries feel like actual character and creatures that I’m invested in instead of a really big not quite dragon thing at the back of a 11 x 7 cave.

[@sheridathompson7091]

Wait the lousy three are legendaries?

[@waningmoo_n]

“We’re having legendaries shoved down our throat” *Me imagining people choking on a Regiggigas*

[@esppupsnkits4560]

😏

[@waningmoo_n]

@@esppupsnkits4560 no

[@ostracostio64]

@@waningmoo_n yes

[@parkhae-il9211]

Regigigas used crush grip! It's a one hit KO! 😂

[@kurtislachance9958]

Don't give R34 ideas

[@A_Random_Rat]

I don’t think the battle frontier is canon. They put some legendaries in there to make it harder for the player.

[@Eric-py8yy]

True

[@DemonPrincessNyri]

Ah so barry has no dad

[@Eric-py8yy]

@@DemonPrincessNyri i mean that the legendary that they have arent cannon

[@mr.preston1632]

@@DemonPrincessNyri makes sense

[@DemonPrincessNyri]

@@Eric-py8yy that would make more sense. I like to think when they use legendary mons its apart of a simulation. Its dumb but pokemon has done worse

[@MetaOSC]

So here’s my theory with Urshifu. In legends Arceus, we had strong style and agile style for moves. Urshifu could be the last modern Pokemon to be able to use these, single strike for strong and rapid strike for agile. Kubfu’s evolution could simply be it mastering the style.

[@robertlupa8273]

That sounds interesting.

[@雪者]

Oooo. I can see that

[@ravenouself4181]

Here, take my Eeve

[@learningwithlp7033]

​@@ravenouself4181 *Eevee

[@donovanfaust3227]

​@@ravenouself4181maybe pokédollars?

[@GamingRabbit17]

The Legendary Criteria present in the video excludes Koraidon and Moraidon - 2 of them in each game - lore pretty much outright states they are past and future forms of a pokemon that is common to the region, and would probably be common themselves in their own time

[@robertlupa8273]

But what if the time machine (that brought the past/future mons to present) isn't what it seems?

[@GamingRabbit17]

@@robertlupa8273 I don't doubt it, we might get more answers in the DLC. personal theory: not past/future, but alternate timelines, perceived as past/future due to the pokemon looking like past/future forms of pokemon we know.

[@-BenGaming-]

Dude how could the box art legendaries not be legendary 😂😂😂😂

[@GamingRabbit17]

@@-BenGaming- Hey, this is all just a theory

[@RetroLiminal99444]

@@-BenGaming-exactly. The Pokémon company says they are legendary so that’s that. Plus it looks like they will get Tera forms or states of some kind (there is a Tera symbol on their Pokédex picture which is the same as Ogerpon’s picture) So these guys have more to offer.

[@kiyanyacoob4181]

“Leon had a kubfu at one point, but couldn’t get to the tower” he got lost on the way didn’t he.

[@Cam-rz4zd]

Underrated comment

[@ultmewtwo]

It might end up with mustard

[@jacobkohr7243]

yup Mustard himself says that's what happened.

[@d.s8679]

He was looking for Mustard/mustard

[@TheBluBlade]

Yessss

[@camillekalaw7627]

But what about the ACTUAL legendary Pokemon: Arcanine 👀 Edit: Omg I didn’t expect this to blow up! To make things a little more clear on why I made this comment: Arcanine’s actual Pokedex entry says it’s the “Legendary Pokemon.” I know that there’s multiple of them and what not 😅

[@whymustyoulookhere7112]

Theres a lot, no lore, not Strong enough.

[@utubeiskaren7796]

@@whymustyoulookhere7112 bUt ThE pOkÉdEx SaYs It Is LeGeNdArY sO iT’s LeGeNdArY

[@wayneaaron4410]

Yeeeesss! I love this. Its all about the true legendary pokemon Arcanine

[@ThatOneRedBoi]

no. the real legendary Pokémon is bidoof

[@ItsYou195]

You all are forgetting Magicarp

[@aydenraine470]

Groudon be like: When in doubt... start the drought Kyogre be like: When it's not beneficial... Start the drizzle Rayquaza be like: When Kyogre and Groudon are being mean... Start the freaking Delta stream

[@aydenraine470]

I made these myself

[@ghassanatalla3201]

underated comment

[@xxunoriginal_edgy_namexx859]

Good job on the original joke

[@shoutmondx8740]

@@aydenraine470 *Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo*

[@edpsgirlfriend207]

30th like

[@Tiagx]

"Poipole's not a Legendary Pokémon, IT'S A *S T A R T E R* !" this lone got me XD

[@bradleighwilliams4527]

Idk why but the delivery of "Poipole's not a legendary Pokemon, it's a starter!" Made me laugh so hard

[@sivaprakasamshanmugam7676]

Man I wonder what are the other starters

[@BeckyBaluga]

@@sivaprakasamshanmugam7676 it could even have a 3rd form in its home world that people on earth can not achieve and the other starters might be other ultra beasts with evaluations that people can not find for the same reason

[@alfawulf3540]

Ngl, i'd love to start with a poipole... would be an interesting challenge to start with a pure poison type rather than a fire/water/grass starter

[@kerrywien6775]

I love calyrex and calyrex is an amazing pokemon and calyrex is a majestic rabbit jackrabbit pokemon but tbh, calyrex looks more like a mythical pokemon rather than a legendary pokemon due to its role as a king pokemon and it’s design and even more, calyrex shares a same typing in psychic/grass with another mythical pokemon and calyrex possesses the time travel/ability to see the past, present and future similar with another mythical pokemon that is the same typing with calyrex, calyrex is obviously planned to be a mythical pokemon, but was made a legendary pokemon instead to add more legendaries in the DLC. And calyrex is among the best legendary pokemons. Like, calyrex is a overpowered pokemon once calyrex is fused with his steeds, you need to run for your life because calyrex will have you & your pokemons for breakfast.

[@yummydragon8533]

Maybe the other starters are grass type and ground type, and their second evolutions add a dragon typing

[@bluekanz9817]

"That's just amateur bird watching." "That's just questionable corporate activity." "That's just a common meet up point." This is the best.

[@Mattropolis97]

I was half expecting him to say “That’s not Pokemon, that’s just slavery with extra steps”

[@randomaccount2880]

Also” An angry magma spider”. 🤣

[@catherineling5437]

I thought he would say for mewtwo before he says he’s legendary That’s not legendary that’s just intense cloning

[@angellexgamer5416]

Heatram an Angry Magma Spider.

[@xiaozhonghe9992]

That was the best MandJTV said EVER

[@waffelz_]

“That’s just amateur bird watching.” Probably one of my favorite quotes along with “That’s not a legend, that’s just questionable corporate activity.”

[@johnsummers2943]

That’s not a legendary pokemon its a starter is a good one too.

[@benjaminrichard4632]

@@johnsummers2943 as somebody who really likes poipole, I really hate that quote

[@Castformsupremacy]

@@benjaminrichard4632 um why do you hate it Poipole really is a starter

[@kingteddieP4]

@@benjaminrichard4632 why? It literally is canonically a starter

[@Sir-gacha-magic.555]

Here is what I keep saying about the one of kubfu and urshifu: That’s not lore of how you came to be, that’s just being kung fu panda

[@crosshair47]

fun fact, there are canonicaly more than one dialga and palkia. in the games it shows arkoos making dialga/palkia eggs.

[@Amelia4111]

*IT'S ARCEUS, NOT F*CKING ARKOOS! SAY IT RIGHT!*

[@crosshair47]

@@Amelia4111 bro calm down its something about the channel jesus

[@crosshair47]

@@Amelia4111 the last 2 comments u poseted were shouting at people in capitals about misspelling why are u hating on so many people for no reason?

[@Idiskjsjsjjsjsjsbhshshshsh]

That is probably because they’re likely an avatar of Palkia and Dialga, in the Legend Arceus games it was revealed that the Arceus you catch is only a part of him (an avatar), I’m betting it’s the same thing for Palkia and Dialga.

[@omarfarah-q6e]

greeting biritish fans

[@maxim_beatbox]

I never considered ultra beasts legendary because they’re just normal Pokémon from another dimension. There are MANY multiples of them in the games and anime. I completely agree with you

[@Chickoboy]

i think that ultra beasts aren't even considered pokemon, they are complerely different beeings

[@championboy4782]

@@Chickoboy #slavery

[@FoxGalahHasMovedToNewAccounts]

Me too

[@Chickoboy]

@@championboy4782 ?

[@srmlkj]

@@Chickoboy nah they can be catch by PokeBalls but only when they reach our universe

[@Jasdenvideos]

"All mythical pokemon fit all the criteria anyway" Meltan, which is definitely not a unique Pokémon to it's home region in any way

[@Archtik]

also a lack of backstory

[@dr.swaggy6962]

And meltan is weak

[@BradKarmour]

What region would that be...?

[@knowhatnot347]

I know some Pokémon are just like this but why do meltan amd melmetal exist

[@knowhatnot347]

Well it is from “unknown origins in Pokémon home in let’s go the go park complex so Kanto and the anime ashes just somehow evolves he didn’t even give it candy so in the anime Alola

[@levismith9572]

Post Scarlet/Violet viewer here. Adding to the list, she have: Ridon duo: Not Legendaries. Are they strong: Yes Are there legends about them: There’s more legends about literal plants (that aren’t even Pokémon) than there are about them. So, no Is there only one per save file: HAHAHAHAHAH! You literally fight, AND catch another. EASILY, the answer is no The Treasures of Ruin: Legendaries Are they strong: Yes Are there legends about them: Yes (also, the teacher is so hot it’s LEGENDARY) Is there only one per save file: Yes (as far as I can tell)

[@jackdavis98]

“How do you have identical people in different places? It’s not real!” Nurse Joy enters the chat.

[@mortorchi1884]

The nurse Joy’s and officer Jenny’s are sisters to each other. Go watch the anime!

[@jackdavis98]

@@mortorchi1884 anime’s a slightly different universe, but also…same exact scenario? 😂

[@TheStigHCE09]

@@mortorchi1884 Cousins*

[@mortorchi1884]

@@TheStigHCE09 check your facts before you say something, most of them are sister’s, some of them are cousin’s.

[@mortorchi1884]

@@TheStigHCE09 like I said MOST of them are sisters which is why I said sisters

[@-Retired-]

Honestly I never considered any of the battle frontiers canon... Especially for this reason

[@KaiMCGRPS]

Agreed

[@Zacharieishigh]

I think that the battle frontier isn't canon too, it's just a fun side thing and there are legendaries in it because they are decent pokemon

[@xanderm3890]

Yeah and tbh you CAN’T say the person who created legendary pokemon(regigigas) isn’t legendary

[@justinalicea1590]

If you ignore that Emerald, the game that introduces the Battle Frontier, doesn't treat it as a side gig at all. It's introduced very early on by meeting Scoot right after Wally catches his first Pokémon and he is seen several times throughout the game before finally bringing the player to the Battle Frontier as a reward for becoming the Champion. So the Battle Frontier is in fact a part of the narrative of Emerald. This extends to Platinum, where Barry's father is a Frontier Brain.

[@TommyLaCabra]

@@justinalicea1590 Great point

[@Shokukun]

“ The game series has been there for 25 years” Well.... I’m an old woman.

[@Inconsolable_Weeb]

Zoras live for a long time.... GRANDMA!!! :3

[@jakk9560]

Hi I'm a 21 year old man lol

[@Shokukun]

@@jakk9560 I’m 159

[@realjooj1296]

@@Inconsolable_Weeb ew

[@alleyoliver3315]

As someone born in the year Pokemon first released... I feel you.

[@ayylmaoowatnext6748]

"That would be like someone on an alien world calling Tyrannitar legendary." I guess ten year old me was from an alien world lmao.

[@Amelia4111]

THERE SHOULD BE ONLY ONE N IN TYRANITAR!

[@riol2_]

In my opinion, the battle frontier should not count. I don’t think that they are canonical appearances, just there for cooler battles and game balance.

[@zeroglitch1310]

Yeah, he mentioned that legends like Ho-oh or Lugia appearing in games like Ultra Sun and Moon is more for the players enjoyment and accessibility to them, then actual lore. That's how I feel about the battle frontier and such. It's a cool place to do after the main game. But should not be considered canonical to the story of the videogames. It's just for the player.

[@slevinchannel7589]

Any Idiot knows how to fix most of Gamefreaks Problems. They dont even put as much money as they should into this Important Franchise of theirs, so even the most simple ideas like "Put more money into it" will work. Let alone stuff a 6-Years old can think up. Let alone stuff a 10-Years old can think up. Tutorial-Skip for example? 20 Years ago, games had these already. Way to go, Gamefreak. Not gifting Legendarys, not making them worthless and uninteresting? Yeah, dont defend it: It's objectively a fact that Little Kids know this is not right to do. I even have prove, cause i have seen 6-Years old literally say this - and no, i did not bias them beforehand. Nope.

[@zeroglitch1310]

@@slevinchannel7589 chill. This is at its core. A kids game. And not a directly owned product of Nintendo. It is Game Freak and the Pokemon company. But Nintendo can't shower it with money like they could Metroid or Mario. (One could argue the Metroid point is bad because Metroid Prime 4 but I digress.) This video isn't a debate on fixing Pokemon. But I think Michael has a video about that somewhere.

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@zeroglitch1310 It's naive to say about this whole subject 'Its just a kids game'. It's about people's life already, that's how big it is. People live on it. Fans pay money for it. And whatnot else.

[@MagicalBread]

@@slevinchannel7589 you still need to chill out though. You’re taking this way to seriously.

[@tobi_versace]

The battle frontier is a poor inclusion in cannon. It's a post game "what if" battle challenge

[@xanderm3890]

Yep

[@Arcaninos]

Frontier battle, battle house and the like are not canon, I agree. Use this argument to invalidate Latios and Latias when the Pokédex says this in Emerald about Latias: "They make a small herd of only several members. They rarely make contact with people or other Pokémon. They disappear if they sense enemies." In addition it would make uniqueness to Azelf, Mesprit, Uxie and Regigigas who have no reason not to be unique due to their very strong and important tradition. As much as the Regi have temples in many regions and are just materials that can be reproduced by their creator, as much Regigigas has a high mobility (according to legends he is responsible for continental drift and cannot be recreated). Oh and Entei is canonically not unique according to Argent's Pokedex: "A Pokémon that races across the land. It is said that one is born every time a new volcano appears." Then Heatran is just a gendered beast that haunts volcanoes with no role (certainly not unique).

[@PumpkabooTrainerLiam]

@@Arcaninos Seriously, I've never heard anyone but him try to say that the Battle Frontier is cannon! That's insane! Also, I have to share these thoughts of mine, otherwise I might go crazy! Ahem... This is one of the most painful Poketuber videos I've ever watched... Seriously?! You're using the non cannon battles with the Battle Frontiers to justify why a ton of these Pokemon don't count as Legendaries?! Also, the double standards with stuff like the Legendary Beasts & Legendary Birds make me want to drink bleach! He gets onto the birds case because they don't have much backstory, even though Pokemon just started as a franchise, so you expecting super deep backstory for why something isn't a legendary is petty IMO. And yet the Legendary Beasts don't have much of a backstory ether, since all that happened was that they died and came back to life, they do nothing for the region after that happens! Look, I get that we all have our opinions, but if he has to stretch THIS MUCH to make his arguments, then that's just pathetic in my eyes... 😮‍💨

[@Arcaninos]

@@PumpkabooTrainerLiam In any case Legendary is a title for at least extremely rare Pokémon, sometimes with associated myths (but this point is not mandatory) This means that all the Pokémon in the video are either primary or secondary Legendary Pokémon (with the exception of the Ultra-Beast which are common in their world and not recognized as Legendary on The Pokemon Company's communication, although the codes make them specials close to secondary legendaries, probably for balancing reasons as they have high stats and are inspired by invasive species but pushed to the interdimensional) That said, some of them are still unique whether by logic in their lore and function, or because nothing implies that there are more than one. This is the case for Mewtwo, Ho-Oh, Lugia, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Dialga, Palkia, Regigigas, Giratina, Cobalion, Terrakion, Virizion, Tornadus, Thundurus, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, Landorus, Xerneas, Yveltal, Zygarde-Complete, Tapu Koko, Tapu Lele, Tapa Bulu, Tapu Fini, Necrozma, Zacian, Zamazenta, Eternatus, Calyrex and Enamorus. Calyrex's mounts may be questionable, but I don't think they are unique, especially since there is no unique horse in the canon, it seems to be interchangeable and taking on the same function. It's not like duos like Palkia and Dialga who each have a different function and are not mutually exclusive. And maybe Cresselia ? Special mention for Solgaleo and Lunala, even if they are not unique on a world scale, are special cases because they can literally travel at the speed of light and transcend dimensions. I mean, if we assume that all planets that could support life in the universe were to be terraformed by a Weather Trio, there would be several (but not on Earth), the difference being that they don't travel at the speed of light and don't change dimensions. As Solgaleo and Lunala are light regulators (one is the embodiment of sunlight and changes night into day and the other is the embodiment of moonlight and can change day into night), there will be as many as there are worlds and there are billions of stars in the universe (not to mention other universes). Cosmog (nebula) -> Cosmoem (proto-star) -> Solgaleo/Lunala (star/solar system), this is just symbolically the formation of the stars. They're just a reflection of something as complex and vast as themselves unlike the other legends.

[@Ashlevon]

Battle Frontier, apart from it just existing, shouldn't be counted as canon in any way. Its roster of possible pokemon are largely the same as the player's. If legendaries appear there, then no pokemon is unique, because you can link battle with someone else that also has a legendary. Oh, you think that Mewtwo is unique? Well, my friend has one, and so do I, and you can catch one too, and we can all battle each other. Not a very unique pokemon anymore, is it? So yeah, arguments in favor of the Battle Frontier being canon doesn't track well. The entire Battle Frontier concept is basically just competitive pokemon battling in singleplayer mode.

[@OthEdden]

Theory: the battle factory uses dittos to make it's rentals. They are just pre-transforming them to what was ordered. Argenta is rich and has influence so can rent whatever she wants.This includes research grants to Pokemon professors, data from Bill's box system and Slyphco's pokeball technology

[@MysteriousMagick]

yes. so they get the exact pokemon and force the dittos to transform.

[@Mas-cm6cy]

you know, that makes a lot of sense

[@tesladrew2608]

It IS called a factory

[@harrisonschannelofeverythi6229]

Everything he's saying is true

[@ocemagnus6553]

@@harrisonschannelofeverythi6229 nope

[@tylerubben479]

Battle Frontiers should not count as canon. Sure they have characters with lore, but the pokemon they use within the confines are just there for a challenge in battle. Especially in the instance of the Regis. I wholly believe the only reason there aren't multiples of regidrago and regieleci is the lack of a battle frontier in Galar

[@PhineasOyna]

As an amateur bird watcher, I can confirm that I see flying Pokémon every time

[@DHC189]

XD

[@inovotny1412]

Hmm, yes you do

[@guyvingelli9046]

I see, someone taking their time to spy on government drones. Noble work. Also that’s a pretty nice amount of likes. Whoops not anymore.

[@xcoyotezetax4636]

Aw just show me

[@RyzenLine]

XD 🗿

[@thatmtgnerd]

I wouldn't count the battle frontier personally, it seems like a what of scenario where you can go once regular trainers in the world are not strong enough and you can get a challange.

[@aurelgel]

Yeah, same

[@AlfredAAwe]

Yea. Frontier is more like lategame content for fun. Shouldn't count

[@justinhutchins3335]

Yeah like an area where you could imagine the other trainers as legitimate trainers who’ve completed the game same as you. So they would have encountered the legends on their play through. I picture it was an idea of battle frontier trainers were previous players who’ve beat the game.

[@silentprotagonist3786]

Anything battle that doesn't give Pokémon Currency (hence Battle Frontier, or the similar stuff in the later games such as Battle Tree of Sun and Moon) don't count as "canon" battles, and hence their teams don't count as well

[@xtrem5428]

Same. Plus it makes little sense to have so many trainers stronger than the Champion. I just see it as non-canon post game content.

[@colinhobbs7265]

I've always seen the battle frontiers as being non-canon, or at least a game/simulation. The fact that pokemon are artificially locked to a certain max level and don't gain xp locks it away as something other than the "real world" part of the game in my eyes

[@XxSpyroKetchumxX]

I think the battle frontier just serves as the equivalent of secret bosses from other games that don’t follow the same rules as main story.

[@Lefom]

Battle frontiers are definitely not canon, it's just a post game area for tougher fights and an extra challenge, If u stop playing before it u don't miss any plot

[@Arkx919]

@@Lefom That makes them optional, not non-canon. Canonicity means they exist in-universe, and those facilities definitely exist in-universe as evidenced by us meeting people like Caitlin and Anabel outside of said facilities.

[@Lefom]

@@Arkx919 The battle frontier makes the pokémon league a joke, the legendary pokémon a joke, the lore itself a mess. It's a place where there are more than hundred trainers stronger than the Champion, and a lot of them got legendary pkm that are unique in the lore, like Raikou/Entei/Suicune, that in my eyes exists only one of each, since the burned tower event and Ho-Oh reviving them happened once and they can't breed. OFC they put some little plot there, like Palmer being Barry's father, but the place itself makes no sense with the rest of the lore

[@henrikswanstrom9218]

Battle frontier and the battle tower has nothing to do with the lore or story of the games. They're just there for competetive players who enjoy battling. What's going on there is in its own universe. Random trainers that are far stronger than the Elite4 or Pokemon league champions et.c. The reason trainers in the frontier have legendery pokemon is because legendary pokemon are strong and they're supposed to be a challenge. No other reason.

[@KailenOsborn]

fun fact: the 3 type: nulls have already been shown in game: 1. with gladion 2. sun and moon player 3. sword and shield player

[@jordanisthor2524]

Yes

[@the_godbodor7026]

Mikey: “That’s like someone from another world calling Tyranitar a legendary” My brain: “Shove as many Garbodor through portals to other worlds as possible”

[@silasmeinardus9831]

Garbodor is my favorite legendary by far

[@arajesh5]

@@silasmeinardus9831 lol

[@connormoffat7348]

Ultra beasts(besides poipole) are pseudo legendary pokemon and thats it

[@connormoffat7348]

My brain: snom

[@connormoffat7348]

But yes garbodor

[@jameshoppe1417]

There is a Birdkeeper who mentions three illusionary birds in Gen 1 and that he bets they're birds of prey. Also according to Entei's Pokedex entry from Gen 2 a new Entei born when a new volcano is created. So in that case more than 1 Entei is likely to exist

[@jeremycocciolone9223]

Id say the entei case is reincarnation. As if how Ho-oh gives them the immortality. Should an Entei die, a volcano is just created and an entei is shot out?

[@julianzarco6403]

But it's the Pokédex, the same one that says that Gardevoir creates black holes and that Magcargo is hotter than the damn sun. So I wouldn't pay much attention to the Dex

[@antagonistdan95]

His reasoning for why the 3 beasts are legends makes no sense. Where the Battle Frontier is located has no connection to whether or not there are more than 1. If there's 1 in Johto and 1 in Sinnoh there's still multiple of them, making them not legendary.

[@ipacklunches]

@@julianzarco6403 The black hole thing could be Gardevoir using Shadow Ball and who recorded the info is just slightly incompetent Edit. Just realized that pretty much furthers proves your point lol

[@moxie7650]

@@antagonistdan95 Then none are legendary because every legendary is in the crown tundra and usum

[@deoxysoverlord8710]

I like how in Sun and Moon, you just casually travel to an alternate universe. Edit: For those who don't know what I'm talking about, I'm talking about how on Pokemon Sun/Moon or USUM, you travel through a portal found in the Altar of Sunne/Moone, and you end up in an alternate version of Alola. The region is almost exactly the same, and you can even talk to all of the NPCs, and your mom, as if nothing ever happened. Although technically those are alternate versions of the characters, and that is an alternate version of your mom. And the game stays like that until you travel back through the portal. (But if you're like me and you forget to travel back, then you'll be living in an alternate version of Alola forever.) And the reason I say you "casually" travel to that alternate universe, is because it's so subtle, and literally no one talks about it. But it's very interesting to think that you're in an alternate reality now. Especially with those like me who are fans of the Mandela Effect, and alternate realities.

[@hoopynaena3]

“Oh these are some pretty cool banana- AAAAAahHhH”

[@eriklazo5499]

man that really killed legendary's for me instead of going to a temple and having a mini adventure were you will able to find the legendary pokemon (like mewtwo in pokemon fire red) all you have to do is go to a alternate universe and walk a straight path

[@kerrywien6775]

I have a fun fact for You:I 💯% believe that necrozma is a dragon 🐉 and its base form has a torso of a dragon’s head 🐉 and that’s why its torso predicts the ultra burst 💥 form of ultra necrozma but necrozma should’ve been a dragon type in all of its forms because it is the third legendary pokemon of generation 7 and every single third legendary pokemon is a dragon 🐉 type in all of their forms except for regular necrozma but once again, regular form necrozma is a dragon 🐉 but just the dragon’s head and torso and why it’s still pure psychic type until necrozma has enough light to return to its original form and becomes the original dragon 🐉 of light 💡 ultra necrozma. This to me makes necrozma my favorite dragon 🐉 type pokemon and yes, necrozma is a dragon 🐉. I also like how necrozma gave light 💡 to alola and creates the islands of alola and ultra necrozma has a cool badass design and it’s easily one of my favorite dragon 🐉 type pokemons and I also love how ultra necrozma saves poipole and poipole’s world from a meteorite and that’s something heroic a legendary pokemon would do.

[@robertoriveragierbolini7068]

Sun and Moon: *Dimension Hopping* This is fine.

[@Splatoob]

Just a casual day at the office

[@invertedLOL]

Paldea: Koraidon, Miraidon and the other paradox pokemon don’t count The chaos quartet or whatever does count Don’t know if anyone thinks this but Gholdengo definitely doesn’t count Ogerpon does count The loyal three do count Terapagos counts I think pecharunt is mythical so he doesn’t count

[@lordkroak9468]

Regeileki/Regidrago: Yes!! We made it into Legendary status! The other Regie’s: *B O I*

[@dragonfireforever2749]

Then regigigas makes more to just so they are no longer legendary

[@Airkong423]

*Regidrago

[@lordkroak9468]

@@Airkong423 Ok thanks I will edit it

[@a_random_lizard]

Remember, Regigigas only build the dragon head for Regidrago cause he ran out of materials, so that means Regidrago is the one AND ONLY

[@rocketeer9183]

Regigigas making more regis and not finishing them is such strange lore lol. Did it get sealed away before the galar regis could be finished?

[@yoboikaydenyt3893]

"It is possible that the galarian birds are just seprate and got their names because of the resemblance" Thats exactly what it is

[@TomasM30]

Didn't he say himself before that they aren't the same and the galarian birds are completely different

[@insanitycrafter8553]

I thought it was official in the pokedex.

[@BearWith_You]

The Dex entries state how they got their name. That's it. If you name a Spot and I name a dog Spot, that looks similar to your Spot, it could be the same breed of dog, that's how genetics work. They could be brothers. But if they AREN'T the same species, than what makes every other regional form the same species? Especially when Kantonian Meowth can't become Purrserker. And Kantonian Mr Mime can't become Mr Rime. I look at it that maybe these birds came to Galar and changed like any other regional variant. Maybe they were granted new forms from those berries. Then humans found them, and may not of heard of the Kantonian ones, also came up with the names

[@adrianmcbride1666]

@@BearWith_You common ancestry but innabbility to interbreed usually means seperate species.

[@cocomon3403]

The pokedex says they are different

[@bradwyant2993]

Micheal: all mythics are legendary anyway. Meltan: *nervous laugh*

[@ChomperkaGregnant]

Zarude: *climbs a tree*

[@joestarjester6011]

Type null:legendary.exe has stoped2 working

[@plushytv5295]

Mew: *Teleports away* Because you can get one for 20$

[@mew2921]

@@plushytv5295 there were tons of them before they turned into every other pokemon

[@weirdoticmakekrookodileimp4160]

Arceus: covers self with arms

[@greninjamariokartpokemonfan]

17:12 Yveltal actually turns into a cocoon.

[@WaterKirby1994]

Regigigas:"When I am finally finished updating, I will resume my quest to create more children out of whatever I have access to!" Several years later, "I have created 3 Rock Children, 3 Ice Children, & 3 Metal Children, I wonder what else I can create?" Ancient People seal away Regigigas before he can make Electric & Dragon children.

[@MisterLG08]

Regigigias: Nooooooo I want to create more children.

[@cromwellthesecond9079]

Definitely shouldn't have discounted pokemon based on battle frontier usage. I feel Regigigas canonically is only one. It doesn't make sense if the regis were made by multiple regigigases

[@annylara3336]

Yeah

[@jamieroden5748]

ASSES

[@PajamaCat4]

regigigi

[@deanmiller5770]

Yeah

[@animalhalo5984]

Like multiple regis i can understand but not the main regigigas

[@SiddharthShenoy]

The Non-Legendary Legendary Pokémon: **exist** Everyone: *"We will watch your career with great disappointment."*

[@slevinchannel7589]

Any Idiot knows how to fix most of Gamefreaks Problems. They dont even put as much money as they should into this Important Franchise of theirs, so even the most simple ideas like "Put more money into it" will work. Let alone stuff a 6-Years old can think up. Let alone stuff a 10-Years old can think up. Tutorial-Skip for example? 20 Years ago, games had these already. Way to go, Gamefreak. Not gifting Legendarys, not making them worthless and uninteresting? Yeah, dont defend it: It's objectively a fact that Little Kids know this is not right to do. I even have prove, cause i have seen 6-Years old literally say this - and no, i did not bias them beforehand. Nope.

[@SiddharthShenoy]

@@slevinchannel7589 Agreed.

[@Unknown_user6969]

This video makes a lot more sense now with the past paradox Pokemon in Scarlet and Violet. It's highly possible that many of these legendary Pokemon are simply members of ancient species that survived until the modern day and is far stronger than most modern Pokemon as a result.

[@Kalebed]

Zygarde: Has 99 siblings. Michael: You are a Legend.

[@claine89]

They are one of a whole though. Zygarde Cell isn't technically considered a Pokemon.

[@Runedrace]

@@claine89 there are 5 zygarde cores though and the cores think differently if you go by what the anime showed us. while the 5 cores in the sun moon game only teaches zygarde special moves and help make power construct zygarde

[@atommidas2002]

Let’s just talk about the legendary on your profile pic icy wind

[@Kalebed]

@@atommidas2002 Haha yes! Vanilluxe is the best legend, It's strong and unique!

[@atommidas2002]

@@Kalebed mean to be fair it is the only evolutionary line that are ice cream so they kind of are.

[@floqui3300]

"that's just amateur bird watching!" the now birds: oh okay.....

[@phyrexiannewborn7104]

Cubone's Mom is Legendary.

[@feliperivas1382]

How is marowak a legendary?

[@benjaminwu100]

@@feliperivas1382 It's a joke.

[@hachinkun2220]

It's a joke because that Marowak fits all three of the criteria.

[@benjaminwu100]

@@hachinkun2220 To expand on that: 1. It's strong 2. Lore behind the skull 3. There's only one because you cant find it in the wild except for the skull Also, the reason why it is a joke is because when you hatch a Cubone egg, it already has the skull of it's mother.

[@UselessAccountt]

Press (X) to doubt @@feliperivas1382

[@_RedRightHand_]

Here's the thing: Legendary and Mythical Pokémon are assigned primarily based on marketability. So, they're whatever makes Game Freak cash with the flashy new "rare" Pokémon. Meanwhile, them appearing in the teams of NPCs is entirely non-canon. And - while this is just head-canon - I would argue that when a Mythical or Legendary Pokémon is caught, that is not actually the Pokémon. It is just a small piece of the Pokémon that this God or demi-God allowed you to use and see, with them purposely restraining themselves as to not completely destroy everything.

[@Ace-in8qr]

I feel like there's a running theme in regards to Pokemon not being unique, and that's the Battle Frontier. I feel like for the Regis and the Lake Trio, their lore insinuates that there's only one of each. That's why I definitely think the battle frontier teams are exclusively there for gameplay purposes and are non-canonical. Also let's consider the fact that it doesn't make any sense for there to be multiple copies of the Lake Trio and the Regis. Especially Regigigas.

[@KyogresHideout_Vegito2121]

Exactly

[@runiqe]

Okay, the prume Regi example: Og regies: not legendary Weather trio: three buff dudes who fly and can control weather (Rain Dance, Sandstorm, and Sunny Day exist) are, of course, legendary

[@Fernandanatac]

I can accept that all the Regis beside Regigigas are not legendary, just rare. I can imagine Regigigas creating multiple of them across the eras. But Regigigas should be unique. The Lake Trio also should be unique, 100% agree with you.

[@courtney4919]

The thing is, there a lot of things that exist solely for gameplay but don't make sense, lore-wise (starting with 'hi i'm a 10 yo from an irrelevant town and I captured the God of Time, Space, Antimattier, Land, Sea, Sky and the creator of universe in balls that now obey to me and battle against Youngsters and their Rattatas under my orders just like that random Zigzagoon I got solely for the Pokedex and fill my team on route 1 used to do! :)'). So I definitely agree with this.

[@FlamezOFate]

I think it makes sense for there to be multiple regis with the exception of regigigas since he's the creator- after all the regular regis have their own caves and rooms dedicated to them multiple regions like hoenn, unova, and now in galar

[@sonjapotter474]

Why dont we just take the battle frontier, AND PUSH IT SOMEWHERE ELSE

[@kishiberohan4038]

i have a better question why dont we just take a potato chip AND EAT IT

[@Carbonara_17]

@@kishiberohan4038 "I understood the refference"

[@liketrainslol420funni]

No, Patrick,No!

[@stead1100]

I can't see my forehead>:c

[@PearlDrummerFTW]

@@kishiberohan4038 apples are pretty... juicy

[@nikoashgallala2271]

My main way to go to tell if it's a legendary is: "Is this pokemon immortal?"

[@skaionex]

Ash is legendary confirmed

[@silverdemon1530]

@@skaionex fax👏

[@zarnox3071]

I'd base my definition on how notable they are in their society, such as if a member of their species has done something in the past that made people regard it as a being of legend? If they are literally spoken of in legends and myths, they are fitting of the title. But really that's all it is: just a title. They're living creatures just like any other pokémon (or human). They may be stronger, or have strange abilities, but they are just as much a part of the ecosystem as any other creature.

[@lasercraft32]

I just wish they didn't feel the need to give us EVERY LEGENDARY in EVERY SINGLE new game/DLC... Like, can't you just take a break for a generation or two? Its not quite as exciting as it used to be when they announce we'll be able to catch every legendary _again._ :/

[@jahdeel]

Fun fact : The third Type Null is in the Battle Tower of Galar.

[@randomaccount2880]

I bet the chairman went to the alola for a vacation and then brought it back to galar to just give it to a random trainer.

[@sincere3712]

No Macro Cosmos copied Aether Foundation stuff and made a new one

[@Gojifan-]

That’s the type null I have in my box right now

[@donbeedrill]

@@sincere3712 more corporate espionage

[@GcubePlayer8]

Yeah it's pretty fun being trapped in a tiny ball and only seeing day when they have to fight to the death and being sent to the hospital 20 times a day

[@stijnburgers719]

I agree with almost everything and your reasoning is always justifiable. However I feel like that if you make 2 regi's legendary, all of them should be legendary.

[@narxmagee727]

Yeah it's weird that 2 of the 6 regis including their LEADER are legendary. I think his explanation is kinda flimsy.

[@slightlyuseless157]

The other regi had multiples so many in fact that you could hire them but regigiggas pardon my spelling doesn't considering he created the Regis while the other two Regis were the only one he created with no multiples ik its confusing

[@stephanieburkinshaw]

I think the logic makes sense. Let's say I drew a rose. And then I drew a rose and a lily. The lily is one of a kind but the rose is not.

[@stijnburgers719]

@@stephanieburkinshaw That doesnt make any sense, cause Rigigigas LITERALLY created the other regis.

[@narxmagee727]

@@stephanieburkinshaw Yeah but how can these two be legends but the guy that controls them isn't.

[@nch2711]

“It’s not a legendary pokemon, it’s a starter!!” That had me laughing.

[@Amber_Scarlet]

What's the difference?

[@sparecreeper1580]

@@Amber_Scarlet legendarys break out of every ultra ball you throw at them, while starters do not

[@Amber_Scarlet]

@@sparecreeper1580 Ah, I see. So that Bulbasaur was a legendary then.

[@kingj8748]

@@sparecreeper1580 Ah ok so that's why I couldn't capture Joey's ratata he must have a barrier protecting him

[@killersugar6816]

In Gen 1 & 2, I always considered all the Pokémon you could catch only one of, as legendary. This included Snorlax, Lapras, Hitmonchan, Hitmonlee, and the two fossil Pokémon.

[@PogChimp]

but you can catch two snorlaxes? the one blocking cycling road and the one blocking the routes south of lavender town

[@Raytheharbinger0]

Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee as well as Lapras and Snorlax aren't legendaries. Way too many exist in the world sam with the fossil pokemon.

[@noahleon9650]

I think what this video proved was that battle frontiers aren't really cannon in terms of legendaries, and are perhaps used as a challenge to the player. As all of these pokemon (other than the odd one) are intended to be unique and singular

[@MegaJSK123]

Damn, Argenta... You may be the one trainer that could actually beat Tobias!

[@yaboipktendo]

We only know 2 Pokemon of Tobias right? He could have more Legendarys than we know

[@Kelarys]

@@yaboipktendo I have never had any doubt that he had a full team of them.

[@diobrando3685]

If that’s the case is Ash’s Pikachu, Sceptile, and Charizard are sub legendary?

[@Kelarys]

@@diobrando3685 no, only his Infernape. And only that one Infernape, who is best boi

[@boyokiller-679]

He probably has Arceus

[@tribalewok2485]

You're forgetting Fire Red's Entai dex entry "A Pokémon that races across the land. It is said that one is born every time a new volcano appears." A new one every time a volcano appears? Sounds like there's a good chance there is more than one

[@ElHarmonyV]

I wouldn't put too much faith in Pokedex entries considering it states that Magcargo is hotter than the surface of the sun, Shedinja stealing your soul if you look at it's back (which you always do when you have one in battle), Gardevoir creating black holes, etc.

[@tribalewok2485]

@@ElHarmonyV True, but they ARE considered lore

[@notvex3987]

@@tribalewok2485 yeah. But tbh i dont think most pokedex entries should count Otherwise everyone on earth would be fucking dead

[@prasannabhat1997]

@@tribalewok2485 Pokedex data is written by 10 year old children so that is not always accurate

[@KGuy00700]

It means that they are like one time use teleportation spots pretty much entei could be like I wanna be in alola and boom! he disappears and alola gets their volcano and entei come sprouting out like a shooting star!

[@lasercraft32]

I would also like to note that Buzzwole's Pokedex entry literally says its COMMON in the world its from. And in Ultra Plant (the world where you catch Xurkitree) you can see a ton of large Xurkitree in the background harvesting electricity as just part of the scenery. Needless to say, they aren't rare enough to be legendary in their home worlds.

[@Jerry_Best_Boi]

I just wanted to share when Micheal started talking about the regi's and how they're rental Pokemon I thought what if when the player got their regi they unlocked a tomb far away that just had thousands of them lined up like clay soldiers and when the player caught the one that the player found, they ended up awakening them all and that thought alone was too cool not to share.

[@kilo3989]

Ooh, that'd be rad!

[@tarkus1056]

Maybe there are thousands dormant and every time a Regi is caught or escapes from its cave another one is awakened to fill its spot.

[@kerrywien6775]

I love calyrex and calyrex is an amazing pokemon and calyrex is a majestic rabbit jackrabbit pokemon but tbh, calyrex looks more like a mythical pokemon rather than a legendary pokemon due to its role as a king pokemon and it’s design and even more, calyrex shares a same typing in psychic/grass with another mythical pokemon and calyrex possesses the time travel/ability to see the past, present and future similar with another mythical pokemon that is the same typing with calyrex, calyrex is obviously planned to be a mythical pokemon, but was made a legendary pokemon instead to add more legendaries in the DLC. And calyrex is among the best legendary pokemons. Like, calyrex is a overpowered pokemon once calyrex is fused with his steeds, you need to run for your life because calyrex will have you & your pokemons for breakfast.

[@zacdixon-fleming2173]

Pokémon: is about to be legendary Amateur bird watchers: hello there

[@slevinchannel7589]

Any Idiot knows how to fix most of Gamefreaks Problems. They dont even put as much money as they should into this Important Franchise of theirs, so even the most simple ideas like "Put more money into it" will work. Let alone stuff a 6-Years old can think up. Let alone stuff a 10-Years old can think up. Tutorial-Skip for example? 20 Years ago, games had these already. Way to go, Gamefreak. Not gifting Legendarys, not making them worthless and uninteresting? Yeah, dont defend it: It's objectively a fact that Little Kids know this is not right to do. I even have prove, cause i have seen 6-Years old literally say this - and no, i did not bias them beforehand. Nope.

[@Hmmm777]

Obi wan kenobi?

[@wiskful1558]

@@slevinchannel7589 What are you going on about

[@dyjhjfrtt6607]

Bonjour

[@theatomicbob9067]

@@wiskful1558 A lot of what Gamefreak does is stupid.

[@anthonytv7311]

"Not Articuno" Thumbnail Twice in a row.... . My Brain: "Not ArticDos"

[@anthonytv7311]

ArticTres

[@camazimi8591]

@@anthonytv7311 lol

[@camazimi8591]

@@anthonytv7311 Articquanto

[@AlphaDumb]

@@anthonytv7311 Articinco

[@Jskamarycz]

That lost pun

[@DogIsCat-Kitten]

This is how I say all of the legendary Pokémon groups: The Legendary Kanto Birds - The Legendary Birbs The Legendary Beasts - The Legendary Doggos Ho-Oh and Lugia - The Johto Birbs (I know Lugia’s not a bird) The Regi Trio - The Regis Latinos and Latias - AIRPLANES The Weather Trio - Land, Sea, and Sky The Lake Trio - Weird Floaty Things The Creation Trio - Minerals (Because Diamond, Pearl and Platinum) The Swords of Justice - SPEAR OF JUSTICE (IDK why, I just like that Undertale song a lot) The Forces of Nature - The Genies The Tao Trio - I Forgot They Existed The Aura Trio - TREE, EGG, AND SNEK The Island Guardians - Weird Wooden Things The Ultra Beasts - Aliens The Light Trio - Stronger Aliens The Darkest Day Trio - Good Boys and Weird Looking Dragon Then Everything In Between

[@dr.trousers6101]

“How do you have two identical things, in two different places” Good design baby. They got the right engineers and contractors in

[@robertlupa8273]

What about the people in there? Cloning?

[@randalldutton7824]

@@robertlupa8273 Actors that's how. Ok not really, but that would be hilarious. More likely they just move locations occasionally, and you just happen opon them while at the specific locations you go to.

[@dr.trousers6101]

@@robertlupa8273 just a bunch of Dittos g. Easy fix

[@markhurlbut8772]

“That’s not lore or backstory.... That’s just amateur Bird watching.” - Quotes Mikey 2020 Mikey 10 minutes later........ “ Oh there was a red or blue Pokemon spotted.... Which is amateur bird watching!” - More quotes Mikey, 2020

[@itz_creativeangel1993]

I readed this during that moments :o

[@jarl_jake2329]

Yea, it doesn’t make sense that Regigigas can be the creator of the Regi’s, and theres more than one of him.

[@markhurlbut8772]

@@jarl_jake2329 ikr

[@Ucatty2]

@@jarl_jake2329 It takes two humans to make another one. Maybe The Regigigai(?) have to be a team to make more Regi's of different types.

[@jarl_jake2329]

Ucatty2 Well all the regi’s are genderless so breeding wouldn’t really work. Also theres no mention of it taking two regigigis’s to make the regi’s in any lore. I think its easier to dismiss the battle frontier as non cannon than to create new backstory for the regi’s to justify them appearing there.

[@adityashrungarpure9778]

Zapdos, Articuno and Moltres: KNEEL IN FRONT OF US!!! Michael: Yeah about that...

[@adityashrungarpure9778]

AMATEUR BIRD WATCHING!!!!

[@yoseifkifele3174]

Hail yeah

[@adityashrungarpure9778]

@@yoseifkifele3174 HAIL YEAH!

[@mraxolotldoesstuff]

Also, I don’t think legendaries should evolve. Their point is a unique strong Pokémon, and having them evolve defeats the purpose.

[@gddisplay_name_error7150]

“Are they found only once?” *Laughs in resets.*

[@kointoss]

It's also funny how your pfp is sans from undertale with resets being a very important part of the storyline

[@RSA91]

Well the timeline and everything also reset so it is still one pokemon

[@cometcal7387]

@@kointoss lmao

[@TadpoleTail]

Ribbit!

[@wet0wl]

*Laughs in trading from other save files*

[@albertwheeler7627]

I wish "amateur bird watching" became a meme for this channel

[@swidball_yt2191]

Amateur meme spotting

[@Sage_Of_Death]

Albert Wheeler used wish .

[@Jemar_Blount-Golden]

Oh, how right you are... 🤔

[@kerrywien6775]

I have a fun fact for You:I 💯% believe that necrozma is a dragon 🐉 and its base form has a torso of a dragon’s head 🐉 and that’s why its torso predicts the ultra burst 💥 form of ultra necrozma but necrozma should’ve been a dragon type in all of its forms because it is the third legendary pokemon of generation 7 and every single third legendary pokemon is a dragon 🐉 type in all of their forms except for regular necrozma but once again, regular form necrozma is a dragon 🐉 but just the dragon’s head and torso and why it’s still pure psychic type until necrozma has enough light to return to its original form and becomes the original dragon 🐉 of light 💡 ultra necrozma. This to me makes necrozma my favorite dragon 🐉 type pokemon and yes, necrozma is a dragon 🐉. I also like how necrozma gave light 💡 to alola and creates the islands of alola and ultra necrozma has a cool badass design and it’s easily one of my favorite dragon 🐉 type pokemons and I also love how ultra necrozma saves poipole and poipole’s world from a meteorite and that’s something heroic a legendary pokemon would do.

[@helloworld-od3im]

@@kerrywien6775 too much emogis: lie

[@gabrielberrios6500]

"Poipole's not a legendary pokemon.... It's a starter!!" 😂🤣😂🤣 his expression was lit

[@thegogglesfam352]

maybe it has a secret 3rd evolution that we can only access in that dimension

[@vishwenreddy8869]

@@thegogglesfam352 maybe

[@m.hisyam982]

A poison type starter huh? That's interesting

[@Iggikbz]

Venusaur: Am I A Joke To You.

[@ignisardenti2486]

@@Iggikbz to be fair, hes part grass

[@robertsteffler5155]

I also think another good way to determine whether a Pokemon should be considered a legendary is how we refer to its name. If we treat it like a proper noun, or like an individual, then it's a legendary -- the idea being that if it's legendary, there should only be one of them. You aren't catching *a* Kyogre, you're catching *the* Kyogre. As in there's only one, and you're catching it. That's also how a lot of in-game characters talk about legendaries. They tell stories about how Groudon *made* land way long ago, not about how *the Groudons* made land *together* in the past. Like, Unown and Manaphy aren't legendary because you can catch AN Unown, or breed yourself A Manaphy. I think the difference here is that with one, you're talking about a specific creature -- the one that made space or whatever. With the other, you're talking about a *kind* of Pokemon that's out there. Not the specific one you have, but them as a category. Which also means that if you've ever nicknamed a Legendary something silly, then in a manner of speaking, you just effectively gave a god a nickname.

[@corporaldoge815]

Argenta is basically a Legendary Zoo Keeper

[@laserninja5462]

Y E S

[@ajsimpson6038]

I did not see the royal green green orange white yellow green white

[@detrilogue3174]

“Poipole is a starter Pokémon” was *not* what I expected to hear going into this.

[@sparkyplayz8578]

no its not

[@Yitewewoteli-dQw4w9WgXcQ]

@@sparkyplayz8578 It is. In it's home world, it's used as a starter. It says that in one of its pokedex entries.

[@jami_holmes]

@ detrilogue It says it’s a optional Pokémon from the sword & shield games

[@creeperkiller5689]

Theory: All those “legendary Pokémon” at the battle frontier/castle are just dittos. We did it guys, we solved the case. Now MandJTV can put those legendaries cheated out of their status back where they belong.

[@Hamzter1234]

Except they are god dittos so they don’t have 5 pp for every move

[@jgray1831]

@@Hamzter1234 and have matching stats

[@insanitycrafter8553]

I think they're machine fabrications.

[@creeperkiller5689]

See these are just op dittos

[@creeperkiller5689]

@Insanity hmm... the plot thickens

[@tscream80]

MandJ: "There's a [third] Type: Null out there somewhere. Those who've played Sword & Shield: "Yeah, it apparently ended up in Galar..."

[@Draytherion]

“Heatran is just an angry magma spider that lives in a volcano” XD it’s so true! Heatran: HEY! Don’t touch my rock! Lmao

[@loseftheman9474]

Drinking game: take a shot every time Mikey says “plenty strong enough”

[@jeffrenjr]

I'm almost drunk

[@Robbnlinzi]

Or battle frontier

[@teabag2288]

JK don’t do that cuz that will result in death

[@DanicZilla15]

Your so stupid they are rare

[@crazyweirdgirl4488]

That's almost the amount of how much time you say "Honor!".

[@tomaszwojciula]

25:27 "Leon, apparentaly had a Kubfu at some point but could not evolve it because he couldn't find a right tower" It's Leon. What did you expect?

[@mranima748]

True

[@assassinsrumble6781]

True

[@KnakuanaRka]

Leon is pants with directions. 🤪 😵‍💫

[@rayyaninspookymonth1630]

Kracka

[@sethporter9066]

So, by this logic, you could say that in Scarlet and Violet, Koraidon and Miraidon are not legendaries either. Test #2: Their backstory is that they came from the future/past. Sure there are the stories in the Scarlet/Violet Books, but they also describe the Paradox Pokemon which, in a similar situation as the Ultra Beasts, are just versions of present day Pokemon from the past or future! Heck, even Arven and/or Professor Sada/Turo (forget who said it) remarks that Koraidon/Miraidon looks like a prehistoric/futuristic Cyclizar, a common Pokemon in Paldea! Test #3: Following the line of thinking above, there are definitely more than one of each. The second Koraidon/Miraidon that injures the first one we encountered. We even fight the second one at the end of the game and can catch it post-game! Koraidon and Miraidon are not legendary, just Cyclizars from different time periods.

[@SkaiaSkull]

Great video! I'm glad someone tried to trim down the absurd amount of legends to something more manageable. However, I personally disagree with two of the points you made. 1) I believe that the Battle Frontier/Mason/Hall/Tower/Trees should not count as canon. To me, they're meta content for the player, not canonical battles that the characters go through. 2) I think there should have been an asterisk after "There has to be only one." This primarily is meant to back my previous point, but I think lore should play a more important role in Legendary classification. What do I mean by that? Well I think the rule should be "There can only be one* (*as long as the lore supports it)" For instance: The six Regi's. The legends tell of a titan that towed around the continents with ropes and created golems out of special ice, clay, and magma in its own image. I read this and I believe it implies that the OG Regi-Trio can very well have more than one of each (even if they don't necessarily), so I think your reclassification holds true. However, it does say "It is said to have made Pokémon that look like *itself*..." Which to me says that Regigigas is the one and only. This asterisk would also help reinforce Regidrago's categorization. The lore explicitly states that Regigigas ran out of material and therefore could not compete Regidrago's full body. If he couldn't finish one body, how could there be more than one? Thank you for coming to my TEDTalk

[@SuperPlacido1]

*Original not OG

[@kyleanderson1435]

Nice explanation

[@thegameguardian7812]

Okay the battle frontier doesn’t count they could be just Dittos

[@xo3phatom3ox]

True, true

[@thegameguardian7812]

Wow I wasn’t expecting this comment to get so popular thank you

[@jeffreygao3956]

@DarkM3tal87_ Someone's been seeing Detective Pikachu.

[@bradendonahue8285]

Everything is a ditto

[@landonplays4194]

Alright call the ditto police HES a ditto

[@Gray_On_Pawz]

Xerneas:I keep the balance of the world/earth. Zygarde:I go on a rampage when the balance is gone. Yveltal:Am a evil egg

[@Bosssnurp]

An*

[@Gray_On_Pawz]

@@Bosssnurp No It's misspelled for funny reasons.

[@redeyber]

no xerneas gives life yveltal gives death thats a balance when something disrupts the balance; zygarde gets mad

[@YvngDuckSauce]

Yveltal: kills one two many Pokémon Zygarde: “Hold up. Wait a minute. Something ain’t right”

[@Gooberger5336]

@@YvngDuckSauce zygarde has obtained Za Belto

[@Metrion77]

I always assumed that the battle frontiers were not canon. Like, it's a videogame inside the pokemon world. The same way you can have trade a second mewtwo into your game.

[@pllinkinator6904]

I feel like the quote ‘That’s not a legend, that’s just questionable corporate activity’ has much potential.

[@darksoul1004]

Wow, Unova and Johto are the only regions which was able to keep all their Legendaries as Legendaries!

[@physicsbiology9756]

And once the The Tao trio was only one Pokemon.

[@Monkey-081hs]

Kalos too.

[@kerrywien6775]

Hey, I love calyrex and calyrex is an amazing pokemon and calyrex is a majestic rabbit jackrabbit pokemon but tbh, calyrex looks more like a mythical pokemon rather than a legendary pokemon due to its role as a king pokemon and it’s design and even more, calyrex shares a same typing in psychic/grass with another mythical pokemon and calyrex possesses the time travel/ability to see the past, present and future similar with another mythical pokemon that is the same typing with calyrex, calyrex is obviously planned to be a mythical pokemon, but was made a legendary pokemon instead to add more legendaries in the DLC. And calyrex is among the best legendary pokemons. Like, calyrex is a overpowered pokemon once calyrex is fused with his steeds, you need to run for your life because calyrex will have you & your pokemons for breakfast.

[@gamingcreatesworlddd2425]

@@physicsbiology9756 one cool dragon

[@brightbound3309]

Rayquaza Kyogre Groudon ring any bells

[@LukaLaurent]

I think the criteria are definitely pretty solid, however I think using the Battle Frontier and similar places to rule Pokemon out of contention is a bit pedantic. They're really a bit out of place with the journey you've just taken. But hey, your video, so your rules! At least you stuck to your guns.

[@slicedoxy8048]

Today I learn what the word pedantic means

[@abubakartariq88]

love your profile pic used to be my ps4 one

[@angeloa.lapizar8139]

But he missed the biggest and most important part of being a legendary, which is representing something, or embodying something, like sea, land, space, time, emotions, intellect, philosophy, technology, ideologies, mischief and etc you get the point

[@angeloa.lapizar8139]

All legendaries represent something in the pokemon family tree

[@matthewbarabas3052]

he didnt. he pretended it didnt exist in johto.

[@the_real_sans15]

4:16 i absolutely HATE the fact that PEOPLE keep making fun of PHIONE bc of it just being a COPY of MANAPHY!!! phione literally is the one who saved me from getting my butt kicked by giritina in pokemon lengends arceus and for that ONE reason it is SUPER special to me and will always remain a legendary moment in my heart ❤

[@yayanow44]

But it’s phione

[@the_real_sans15]

@@yayanow44 oh yeah I forgot one key detail! every single one of my pokemon kept missing and dying to giritina it literally took over 200 hours to beat giritina and then phione GOT A CRITICAL HIT ON GIRITINA AND FINISHED HIM OFF!!!!!!!!!! that will forever be the most legendary moment in my heart ♥

[@yayanow44]

@@the_real_sans15 but it’s phione

[@the_real_sans15]

@@yayanow44 grrrrrrrrr

[@aimarruizmunoz9201]

​@@the_real_sans15I understand you. When I was little I was obsessed over a Mon from another game that was the lowest rank possible but helped me defeat the final boss. It is very exciting

[@falconunlimited4505]

I never thought that there only had to be one of each legendary Pokémon. Their populations may have been abundant at one time and have since dwindled. Their classification as “legendary” comes from their prehistoric appearance, rarity, and the folklore developed as a result and handed down through the generations (predating the Pokémon universe as we know it). Their strength is only relative to their place in the evolutionary cycle; having been larger and stronger when competing with other species of the time that were also typically large and strong. Mythical Pokémon, on the other hand, are the ones who are considered to have ethereal powers & capabilities. It would make more sense in that context that there would be only one of each mythical Pokémon.

[@malimaui2802]

I agree. I compare legendaries, mythicals, and ultra beast as folktale creatures, and aliens. There can be multiple aliens, big foots, plessie etc; it’s just that we don’t know about their existence.

[@pokemontradingcardgamecoll5934]

You aren't making any sense when you say that mythical/legendary pokemon are folklore, even though they actually exist in the game.

[@gembem9430]

Palkia dialga and giratina are all godlike cosmic beings that led to the reality we know and there legends they should not have more then one as they are ...well ...gods

[@N3RD-13]

@@pokemontradingcardgamecoll5934 folklore can be based off true stories my guy folklore doesn't have to be fictional for example there's folk lore of gorge Washington chopping down a cherry tree while the story itself is fictional gorge Washington is still a real dude soooo legendary Pokemon can be subjects of folklore and still be existing pokemon

[@nkyfong]

Makes sense.

[@jamwichgaming2548]

I’d say the Battle Frontier takes as many liberties as the anime when it comes to legendaries. If they mentioned in game how they got their legendaries would be a different story but, they don’t. So personally, I wouldn’t count any Pokémon in the Battle Frontier for not being legendary.

[@pizzathegamingking9596]

I agree because even if the battle frontier is a real thing its still mostly for the fun of it and they put the legendaries to make it more intristing I can understand the lore bhiend them if they have none but not the battle frontier

[@OmegaTheMyth]

I always liked to think Brandon got his Regis from Kanto, since his remaining team is the Legendary Birds.

[@propandapower7633]

Sinjoh cave: exists Sinjoh Frontier: exists Conclusion: Arkoos duplicated it

[@PinkGoldAbby]

Sinjoh. Let that sink in.

[@AranVibesWithStuff]

@@PinkGoldAbby it is Sinnoh and Johto combination

[@stutinnarasimhan5328]

Arkoos😁🤣🤣🤣 I'm dying

[@AngelChimeremnma]

Stutin Narasimhan I see you're new

[@silent_soul7597]

Auto Correct did it

[@YujinH]

There used to be an idea a few generations back that pokemon were decided into 4 groups. 1. Legendary (all the box legends) 2. Mythic (Mew, celebi, jerachi, etc.) 3. Rare (all the other legendary mons like heatran, the regis, deyoxis, the birds, etc.) and lastly 4. Common or just everything else. I agree that there is a legend problem in 2024 but even then, I think instead of letting us get all legends just keeping it to all ‘rare’ mons in the current games would be cool. If you want legendary level mons either buy the game, trade, or maybe let us find them in world like Lugia and hooh

[@liamdell6319]

Type:Null can be easily 3D printed in a lab, Mewtwo destroyed his lab and all the data used to make him.

[@voidtectonic]

Give Type:Null some time, they too can destroy their lab. Especially if Gladian is involved.

[@gogeta5303]

It's Pokédex entry confirms this.

[@1080Frostbite]

In that case, let's reverse engineer Mewtwo. We already have a base, being Mew, and an end result to aim for, being Mewtwo. Perhaps the equipment used to create Type: Null can be modified into creating Mewthree?

[@cwalshy6527]

I love how you said "Type: Null can easily be 3D printed"

[@bhagathsre96]

@@cwalshy6527 Arceus can create more Pokemon which can control time and control space. So basically some pokemon aGodly while others arent,even in legendaries.