Manuka Henare discusses He Wakaputanga 1835 and Te Tiriti o Waitangi

[@jonathantepairi2664]

No man gives up his lands or his rights to a stranger end of story

[@chairmybowl835]

Rest in peace Matua me nga Aroha wairua, Haere ,Haere ,Haere atu Ra. (Hawaiiki)

[@djpomare]

In 1831 Northern rangatira sent a letter to William IV asking him to do something about lawless Pākehā. My tipuna Pōmare signed He Whakaputanga 28.10.1835. By 1840 Māori wanted 21-year-old Victoria to finally keep her Pākehā under control. Māori would govern themselves and Vicky could govern and control her lawless Pākehā. My tipuna Pōmare signed Te Tiriti 17.2.1840.

[@1Ma9iN8tive]

A great man with whom I had the privilege to work with.

[@tingtingshiney1477]

so, on this note, asides Manuka making some fantastic points and parting some truths and the realities of our colonized days ( still happening ) ...we all need to start meeting at port waikato in APRIL every year.... waitangi grounds in feb is a circus waste of time and for show ponies and tv1.

[@waitiwaita6993]

Thank you for sharing your knowledge

[@wikitoriawiringi7191]

Informative and inspiring, thank you matua

[@jordinakokiri8077]

Thank you, for your korero matua😊

[@jossaha]

Great interview, thank you.

[@FXUFreeExpressionOfUnity]

We have just sent a dialog to Ngapuhi Rununga re.... In January 2023 I attended the hui hosted by Ngati Rehia at Te Rau Aroha Treaty Grounds for Ngapuhi to address the Stage 2 Paparahi O Te Raki Report Omission of Treaty Crime since 1840, namely the exchange process from the Tribunal to Ngapuhi and also for the discussion of the 2023 Waitangi Panui. I approached this after being re-affirmed to the Tepu in 2022 since 2015 by the Taumata and the collective of the Wakaminenga 3rd -6th February. Following the Whakatau of the Panel, I addressed the floor suggesting terms and conditions as follows: - The first treaty breach on the day of signing by raising the British Flag of the Union Jack be addressed by restoring 1835 Te Kara to the top of the Treaty Grounds Flag Mast. - That the property of the Waitangi Copthorn Hotel be returned to the Papakainga owners of 1930. - That the Far North District Council be wound down for the Whare Paramata Maori to reconvene by registered Maori Land Owners listed in the Maori Land Court. - The Wai 1 Claim of Ngati Whatua be honored by the winding down of Auckland City Council. With out warning the meeting was closed by Pita Tipene and the panel of Ngati Rehia. When questioning the legal counsel of Ngati Rehia after the Whakamutunga it was explained my suggestions were for government not Ngapuhi. Unfortunately because of this careless mistake by closing the meeting immediately after interrupting me, I was unable to korero to the 2023 Waitangi Panui regarding a proposed 2023 PATHWAY TO INDEPENDENCE PANUI. The conversation calls for one encompassing Powhiri of the nation as a whole, as big as the 2021 Powhiri from Toa Rangatira entrance. The logic is... - to stop the outrage of Ngati Rahiri being drained of all energy by excessive Powhiri and copious issue's of Manuhiri. - to stop all ranks and divisions of Government Parties, Crown, Corporate NZ, Foreign and National Dignitaries, Tribes, Churches, etc... - to provide the space for listed Maori Land Court Beneficiary Owners to assemble as Hereditary Chiefs and reconvene the Whare Paramata Maori.

[@MonicaEastickMRSD]

I love this korero Monica Eastick

[@GS-wz1ud]

@ 0:12 - 1:50, interesting, the TOW was a continuation of strenthening ties between maori and the Crown which started in the 1820 with the letter, the flag, the doi, and the Treaty.

[@drdamsnation]

clear, factual, honest

[@heminuiraho9990]

Thank you Matua

[@sompong2482]

Great explanation Sir !!!

[@gregg7617]

TRUTH and JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL 😛😛😛

[@arnoldtrotter806]

following the spider to the fly thinking they agreed to waitangi then dishonoured the same which led to our founding docuement as a dominion and under which we function today

[@StGammon77]

1000s of opinions too many cooks have spoilt the broth just understand Maori were baptised unto Tikanga Christianity Covenanted with God and surrendered Authority to the Monarchy the Mana at the Treaty thats it,😢 confirmed in Kohimarama Conference records its clear. To imagine you know any other take than the Chiefs is outrageous!

[@honahwikeepa2115]

My Iwi watched the refugee boat peoples' arrive from Raiatea and England. They left us out of their treaty.

[@heminuiraho9990]

always one of you fgn space cadets in the comments, like they picked four words out of a nz brochure and try to make fantastics statements which are actually just incoherent ramblings which they deem is representitive of what I a native NZ Maori would claim. see these shills all over youtube.

[@toast47624]

I think its time we just accept that NZ is a multi cultural place. It should be governed with equal rights for all. In no way should the government be funding anything maori. Maori are there own entity and should be self funding like any other corporation. I'm tired of the conversation and no longer care. So long as I do give one cent to a maori entity I'm happy. Its time to cut maori free and move on. the maori I know well could careless about all this crap.

[@iosefaandrews2351]

Whay did sir apirana ngata say? I mean the great man was closer to events than anyone of us were and we are now creating a fantasy of what might have meant or could have been? Come on.

[@evanokeroa4877]

Open minded rather than have a prefer because this that

[@WhaiaRay77]

We look at the Māori version first because we are the sovereign people of this nation. Not the British. They are simply partners.

[@enumeratenz]

In legal terms the preamble of the treaty is legally non-binding. It cannot be construed as giving rise to enforceable rights and obligations. The Treaty of Waitangi is an agreement between Maori Chiefs and Victoria and cedes sovereignty over New Zealand to Victoria (the "Sovereign"). "The Crown" did not exist, the Treaty is not a plebiscite of Maori intention. The Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties - Article 33: 1. When a treaty has been authenticated in two or more languages, the text is equally authoritative in each language, unless the treaty provides or the parties agree that, in case of divergence, a particular text shall prevail. 2. A version of the treaty in a language other than one of those in which the text was authenticated shall be considered an authentic text only if the treaty so provides or the parties so agree. 3. The terms of the treaty are presumed to have the same meaning in each authentic text. 4. Except where a particular text prevails in accordance with paragraph 1, when a comparison of the authentic texts discloses a difference of meaning which the application of articles 31 and 32 does not remove, the meaning which best reconciles the texts, having regard to the object and purpose of the treaty, shall be adopted. Point 1 contradicts the notion that the English version is subservient to the Maori translation. Britain authenticated the English language version. Point 2 weakens the primacy of the Maori text, further. The meaning of "ceding sovereignty" is the English meaning. Britain annexed New Zealand later in 1840 based on the ceded sovereignty for the North Island and by right of discovery for the South Island. Hence for point 4, the Treaty of Waitangi was the formal basis for the British to annex New Zealand's North Island.

[@jinnyjinjin4338]

❤

[@rikadarren9388]

Hi my baby's luv dad an mum.

[@TheRastalockz]

Try this one whanau…..Digging your dead up loved ones up n taunting the Hapu/iwi with it towing it around on a hoiho. Ne? Tuff eooww. You know what was coming next, aye?

[@davidboyd8113]

The phrase unfortunately you use would only be useful for one tribe because there was seven different dialects of New Zealand the tribes would not understand it

[@Huck77721]

Hes wrong about the "new zealanders" part

[@danwalker4064]

Ngā mihi mō ōu pūkenga matua

[@berniefynn6623]

this 1835 thing has NO legal standing what so ever,

[@TheNesianscribe]

It absolutely does. It's issued in the language of the native ppl, and it's a constitutional document. It was recognized by the British. It's the first lawful constitution in the land, and it pre-empts the Tiiriti. When Maaori choose to assert it again, they have the power to come away from the paakeehaa government because both in the Maaori version of the treaty and this document, we are recognized as sovereign ppl.

[@dreddator]

Must be a tough pill to swallow huh berniefynn6623

[@tingtingshiney1477]

thinking it is going to be a tough pill for many @@dreddator

[@Nelson-o8i2i]

I read the book crie the wounded land powerful rip matua

[@getmrfleet]

@@berniefynn6623 Funny if true since it's the basis of Te Tireti and therefore the present govmint so that means lux and co have no legal standing...🤣 That suits us in Tuhoe let's get back to commerce pay your rates or move to Aussie 😁

[@evanokeroa4877]

Yeah,look back at the devastation in their wack

[@epihakete3983]

So what was 1834... He say nothing.. Let alone.. 1823...

[@whakakai-wanangaongapuhi7396]

Tena rawa koe e kara,tukua nga korero kia rere, hei painga mo ngai tatou e noho ana ki Niu Tireni.#maoriwhenua

[@jamzlds04]

Colonisation ended when???

[@StuartMcmahon308]

1959 Hawaii

[@nedKelly-x3z]

Beggar me, so to believe Maori wisdom today that the very infinite meaning of a newly written language be it in its infancy means something different today as most Maori Academics would have us believe.

[@kingfillins4117]

This is pure nonsense. It’s very clear in the reo version. The preamble and the First and main overarching article cedes government “over their lands”. They in return get property rights by law and rights of other British subjects, creating one people under the crown. Maori organising Maori tribal issues, not as the government. As it were, councils. There can’t be two governments over “their land”. The treaty reo version, says “ Government being established over all parts of this land and (adjoining) islands4 and also because there are many of her subjects already living on this land and others yet to come. So the Queen desires to establish a government” “Yet yo come.” Mairi knew that this was just the beginning of arrivals. Maori society was stratified with elite, commoners and slaves. They knew what government was. The elite was the government. Read the account of the chief who told others not to sign. He points out it will be signing into serfdom. Read the words… sovrihnty was ceded. Government was granted. “ considers it just to appoint an administrator3 one who will negotiate with the people of New Zealand to the end that their chiefs will agree to the Queen's Government being established over all parts of this land and (adjoining) islands4 and also because there are many of her subjects already living on this land and others yet to come. So the Queen desires to establish a government so that no evil will come to Māori and European living in a state of lawlessness. So the Queen has appointed 'me, William Hobson a Captain' in the Royal Navy to be Governor for all parts of New Zealand (both those) shortly to be received by the Queen and (those) to be received hereafter and presents5 to the chiefs of the Confederation chiefs of the subtribes of New Zealand and other chiefs these laws set out here. The first The Chiefs of the Confederation and all the Chiefs who have not joined that Confederation give absolutely to the Queen of England for ever the complete government6 over their land.”. “… complete government6 over their land.”. It’s not ambiguous.

[@toast47624]

No one dares argue with you because they know you speak the truth. Thank you for taking the time to post your comment.

[@heminuiraho9990]

i believe you fulla shit...

[@joskempbaker831]

Tautoko, we were the New Zealanders, settlers were just that, new settlers. When the settlers understood that, they realised that Iwi were the sovereign peoples so they set about creating a caste system whereby settlers became "known" as the sovereign people and Iwi were deminished to "Natives" and then to this thing called "Maori". And the rest is our country's ugly history.

[@tingtingshiney1477]

that still happens.. kiwi is a bloodline now. some folks going crazy for that title upon arrival

[@ReiSpitz]

Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast from the Cook Islands during the 13th century as weaker primitive Neolithic people by later waves of Polynesians (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Polynesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger more advanced groups arriving from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated to the North East Coast of NZ driven by the South Equatorial Current and were stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede sovereignty completely and become citizens of Great Britain - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life including 10 species of Moa and 46 other bird species, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of mixed-race imposters fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits. 'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, "A Savage Country" Professor Paul Moon 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'Anthropology In The South Seas' - H D Skinner

[@DaParty3473]

WTAF are you rambling about???

[@ReiSpitz]

@@DaParty3473 what?

[@TheNesianscribe]

This is textbook white supremacism. How humorous! Not only is this debunked by far smarter ppl than you, and some of them paakeehaa, but also it's absolute eurocentric rubbish. Have fun eating yourself alive with your bitterness and hate, mate.

[@hendonstephens4551]

What a load of 💩. I don’t know whose resource you’ve twisted but your opinion is very ignorant and stupid. Please stop!!

[@PuniuRiverCuz]

Mate you weren't around back then. I don't think it was as you say

[@TheRastalockz]

Imagine Ngapuhi still cooking you all in Hangi pits? Tuff.

[@kingfillins4117]

He says the Maori population dropped from 100,000 to 40,000. This is incorrect. The Maori population dropped from 100,000 to 80,000 after the musket wars killed 20,000, with another 30,000 wounded. How many of the wounded survived longer than a few years? Half the Māori population was either killed wounded by Other Māori. But he does not even mention this. Why? He’s telling stories? Making up narratives?

[@PuniuRiverCuz]

Maybe you haven't taken into account new diseases among Maori?

[@kingfillins4117]

@@PuniuRiverCuz Im not saying that the population didnt drop further after the musket wars. Just that the Musket wars had a big impact. on the population decline. Yes new by diseases etc unfortunately.

[@patneho6684]

😢

[@patneho6684]

Behave yourself girl

[@taliaware1110]

Read the book musket wars it's just a summery of the wars... Read the letters that some chiefs wrote or had written in there behalf... Very interesting and educational

[@evanokeroa4877]

Implicit deceit,damn

[@davidboyd8113]

You seem to have forgotten the musket wars Murray were not unified in any shape or form they were divided through the law which was revenge and Pillage is the only law 95% of land was bought by the colonists from Māori because without colonisation you would not be sitting in the chair you’re now wearing the clothes you wear now in the house that you live now on the street that you live now the car that you drive now

[@JRTIGER07]

4th months later and still not " *One like* " 😂😅😂

[@TheRastalockz]

Maori we’re the land of Te Utu n Blood feuds before the Pakeha n Tau iwi turned up on thurr ships with Germy Ratts. Ha

[@1meanmaorimean1]

Hmm, whats not said in here is, King William the conqueror around 1086 gave sovereignty to New Zealand after realising no one had conquered this part of the world at the time he conquered England, The He Wahaputanga flag came about when Maori, were trying to trade without a flag, So King William the IV and James Busby who oversee the Declaration of Independence in 1835, along with 25 chiefs signed that flag in the North Island, giving it a 21 gun solute with the King ship there the Rattle snake, So why did maori leaders move us away from that flag and lose our sovereignty??

[@TheNesianscribe]

We haven't lost our sovereignty. It's there for us to assert, but it takes courage to stand against our colonizers. Economically, we hapuu need to pool our resources and come out of the paakeehaa systems, which are failing even their own ppl now. The Maaori nation has awoken now that treaty is under threat, and ppl are learning much more about He Whakaputanga.

[@iliketurtles4463]

​​@@TheNesianscribe who are the colonizers you need to stand against? 5th or more generation white folk like myself who just happened to have been born here? What grievance do you have with the current population of New Zealanders that needs to be "stood against"? Yeah. It doesn't sound reasonable or logical yet but I'm sure you can make it both of those things...

[@TheNesianscribe]

@@iliketurtles4463 Listen: if you've lived your life on our lands, why are you still ignorant of who colonizers are? There's literally hundreds, if not thousands of books and documentaries about the British and the damage they've done around the world. Your fragile emotions are not my responsibility, nor is your education. Stop requiring natives to give up their lands and sovereignty to you as well as assuage your anger at our lack of gratitude plus educate you. It's too much. Go away and learn before engaging w us on SM. Good luck.

[@TheNesianscribe]

@@iliketurtles4463 Go back to sleep. This korero doesn't involve you but it sure seems to be about you if you get triggered by the fact we have an obviously racist govt who are gunning for Māori. Have you been in the wharepaku while the marches of thousands have happened all over the country? Meh, waste my time to reply to you.

[@Troy13]

​@iliketurtles4463 those colonizers who try to dehumanize maori with racist ideologies and rhetoric. The ones that try to do this under the guise of "equality for all". Those that try to strip maori of our customs, culture, and language. If you cannot see that, then open your eyes. Because we are here. And we will not be moved.

[@jamesbroughton4706]

where is this maori text that was sign can it be proven

[@elvismiki9121]

How can waste land be called 🤔 waste land when Maori live on it 🤔 maybe be why I'm seeing house's on land where they shouldn't even be and wondering how that happen to be shady dealing going on with the land 🙄 🤔 😒