Margarine From Oil (1940-1949)

[@PLuMUK54]

What some people seem to not realise is that during the war you had a choice of margarine or so little butter that it may as well have been nothing. This "garbage", as one person has called it, made the difference between an empty belly and an almost full one. Few ate it from choice, but when the alternative is hunger, then they were glad it was available.

[@danijel124]

The problem is that the human body doesnt process margarine as far as i know...

[@auntiedough2488]

My mum grew up in Manchester during WWII. Stories about rationing were mostly ignored when we were children but as I got older, I realized how it affected her. She hated food waste and made us clean our plates, she detested foods she associated with rationing, like margarine and she constantly reminded us how we took our good fortune for granted.

[@maxasaurus3008]

@@auntiedough2488 the world could do with far more people like your Mom ❤.

[@endezeichengrimm]

But fasting is good for you. So it's better to eat a little butter and starve the rest of the time.

[@placeholdername0000]

​@@danijel124 The human body can process margarine. The problem occurs when saturated fats are made by hydrogenation. If this is not done carefully, trans fats are produced. These are problematic. But normal fats, and fats made to the right standards are okay.

[@crocodile2006]

I can't believe it's not Hardened Whale Oil...

[@srolesen]

🤣🤣🤣

[@VenturiLife]

That's the luxury stuff reserved for the rich. 100% Whale Oil Margarine.

[@punksintheback7062]

I saw what you did there and it was very clever and funny

[@kcstott]

@@VenturiLife to fry your condor omelets in😁

[@stephenrice4554]

Sadly , having read through the replies it seems to have escaped some that this was a wartime product , dairy was rationed so children had enough to benefit them . Butter was very tightly rationed so an alternative was found for baking , spreading etc . My grandmother's used it happily . Good video 👍🇬🇧

[@cynthiatolman326]

I grew up with margarine, we called it butter, because butter was much more expensive. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it, it's different but not bad. The fats will clog your arteries, but butter does as well.

[@Beezup48]

@@cynthiatolman326 margarine is toxic. Nothing wrong with butter though, it will not clog up your arteries.

[@tilasole3252]

@@Beezup48 both are bad, possibly margarine is worse, but butter is not healthy, just healthier than margarine.

[@tilasole3252]

I wonder if the recipe for margarine has changed over the years. They say the British were the healthiest as a result of the rationing during and a little after the war. If they were eating margarine a lot, wouldn't that countermine the argument, since margarine is now considered bad?

[@johnnybravado7141]

​@@tilasole3252butter is not bad. case closed.

[@Santor-]

I once did process compliance for a Unilever margarine factory in Baltimore, and i can state with certainty they only had one single ingredient as far as fats went, as it came delivered on a single railroad tank car. From that, they made all the different margarines you see in the store; "cant belueve its not butter", country crock, "special margarin", crock-o-sheit and more. Basically ALL the margarines one see in the supermarket in that section, came from that one factory, and from one single basic fat ingredient. 98% of all margarines in a typical US store is from this same one factory. I walked throught the warehouse section and were baffled all the brands i thought of as competing products, not only coming from the same factory, but same single ingredient. Other minor ingredients was added. But since we went through the whole factory process, it was clear that the bulk of the ingredients used, was the oil from the tank, the remainder as little as 1-2% at most.

[@ardas77]

crock-o-sheit is my favourite!

[@antpoo]

Most things are this way. Take diesel for example, it all comes from the same refinery and delivered on big ships. Gets stored in huge tanks, then the brand name petrol stations all come and collect t it to deliver to their respective retail stations. You have factories, then you have retail brands. Each brand could never have its own factory.

[@Brynnium]

The flaking paint on that extruder - wonder where all the paint chips went?

[@squirrelcovers6340]

That's the least toxic ingredient in the mixture.

[@karvast5726]

I think that's not paint but corrosion over time,it'shard to tell in blavk and white,they probably where smarter than putting paint on the extruder i think.

[@LeftIsBest001]

America

[@tilasole3252]

Mmmm... arm hair...

[@avada0]

@@LeftIsBest001 This is "British Pathé"

[@heatherknits124]

I love how, although they had to substitute for economics, they still included fat in the margarine- whale fat! It wasn’t Britain’s intent to starve its people. Knowing meat was in short supply, they created a butter substitute which included the desperately needed fat, barely enough, but enough, which is incredible, considering how many children could have died, given the rations. I don’t know what it was, except God, that gave them the intelligence to include whale fat. Sure, it tasted nothing like butter, but whale fat is rich in vitamins naturally. An excellent choice!

[@FranciscoTyley]

As far as I can see, "margarine' is not generally available in the UK these days. The tubs and blocks in the supermarkets are called "spreads" this is not just because of a marketing exercise , but there is a statutory definition of what margarine is, and its something we do not generally want to eat. Margerine has to be 80 percent or more fat.

[@baivulcho]

This is so different and shockingly more natural than what we call margarine today. So much so that it's surprising that the name of the two is the same. This process is basically emulsifying different kinds of oils together with salty water, milk and flavors - no chemical reactions to alter the fat structure. While today they just take whatever vegetable fat and they alter it's chemical structure by hydrogenating it and the output is fats that are similar (not identical, just similar enough to be solid) to animal fats, but are actually not found anywhere in nature. So as weird as the process in the video may seem it's way better than what we have today. Unless there is something really sinister in these flavors, colors and vitamins mixtures.

[@Fridelain]

when they say "hardened ground nut oil" they mean hydrogenated peanut oil.

[@ChemCrafter]

Saturated fats, meaning fats saturated with hydrogen, exist in many different lengths are found in many places throughout nature. Saturating a portion of the fats with hydrogen lowers the overall melting point by removing double bond kinks in the chains that prevent them from packing closely together. As the other comment pointed out, the oils being added were already hydrogenated. It's actually much healthier nowadays as modern methods ensure that trans fats aren't being created in this process.

[@moniquem783]

I had no idea it originally contained whale oil. Makes sense though as whale meat was marketed as an alternative to beef or lamb in wartime leaflets. If they were using the meat, they certainly weren’t going to get rid of the oil with such a critical shortage of fats in the country! Nothing could be wasted. It’s funny though. The line I’ve heard most often from “do-gooder impose my health ideas on others” types is that margarine is only one molecule different to plastic. What a missed opportunity! It contains whale oil would have made far more people cringe and switch back to butter lol.

[@rebeccanater]

The one molecule different arguement is made by ppl that dont know anything about science. Table salt is one molecule from poison.

[@moniquem783]

@@rebeccanater 😂😂😂 I wasn’t aware of that one! I do understand science enough to know that one molecule being different changes things dramatically! I use butter because I like the taste of it, but I do sometimes buy margarine in winter if I get frustrated with butter being difficult to spread when it’s cold. Actually I now have a microwave that doesn’t beep excessively and I haven’t bought margarine since I’ve had that, as it’s far more pleasant to pop the butter in that to soften than in the one I had before it.

[@Perktube1]

viva la difference. that's why we have salt on the table instead of sodium and chlorine gas.

[@moniquem783]

@@Perktube1 sounds much more pleasant!

[@robfut9954]

Wonder how much knuckle hair and white paint ended up in that batch…

[@Wafflepudding]

Mmm! Delicious! My favorite ingredient for food: Flavour!

[@beandipcartography]

Beastly, I say !

[@robfut9954]

Makes it seem a lot less appetizing than I would have thought. Still better than watching hot dogs get made

[@avada0]

Interesting. I'm quite sure much of this does not apply to margarine of the present. No whale oil (the ones I see have only sunflower, rapessed and palm/coconut oils), no milk cultures.

[@nunyabiznes33]

So what's the difference between ground nut and hardened ground nut oil?

[@endezeichengrimm]

One is harder.

[@nunyabiznes33]

@@endezeichengrimm *shocked pikachu face*

[@drewgehringer7813]

"Hardened oil" would be called "hydrogenated" today, its groundnut/peanut oil that's been put in a big tank with a nickel catalyst and had hydrogen bubbled through. What this does is 'fully saturate' the fat: some fat from unprocessed peanut oil is unsaturated fat, it has some chemical 'empty spots' where more hydrogen could be put in (or other chemical elements but this creates off flavors: oxygen filling these empty spots makes the oil taste rancid) Pushing hydrogen into those spots raises the oil's melting point and extends its shelf life (can't oxidize and go rancid very easily if there's fewer empty places oxygen can fit): turning a liquid oil that can go rancid if not stored cool into a spreadable-at-room-temp solid that can last for months, even years stored in a regular unchilled cupboard.

[@kwamenimako4040]

Thanks for the video

[@williamthurmond4940]

I prefer my margarine to have extra whale oil; nothing says “good eating” like the taste of liquid Baleen.

[@TheMichael285]

Were we ever so inoccent. To think that was necessary? I love it.

[@ChemCrafter]

What was the name of the other emulsifier? Lecithin and what?

[@kenirawadi4689]

Very interesting.

[@amrhassan3888]

طريقة صناعة السمن

[@kath5201]

My Father told me of mixing (american) Margarine with a color tablet to turn it yellow during the War. Butter was hard to find, and you didn't g e t much when it was available. Chicken fat, or other fats were often substituted . Margarine now a days is much better, although made with water, so you can't use it on toast. Just cold things.

[@leannemayor5755]

I’m sure we don’t use whale oil anymore and thank goodness . I only use butter but mum loved margarine as we got older

[@kcstott]

the reason the recipe is closer to plastic than butter is the lack of whale oil. they had to do something. Butter is by far better for you than anything processed.

[@handsoffmycactus2958]

@@kcstott your comment makes no sense cos butter doesn’t contain whale oil

[@Vehrec]

I love the fact that they went and added little hand-calligraphed labels to everything in the factory, they look so out of place! The whale oil though made me gasp aloud.

[@shirleybalinski4535]

Don't know about whale oil but, the world uses the other oil...palm coconut, saffron, corn, canola, etc.

[@cynthiatolman326]

I don't know what else they do, but it seems wrong to call a margarine plant a creamery. Thankful we don't use whale oil now. Our family never went hungry, but butter was an expensive luxury growing up, so to me, margarine was butter. I buy butter for myself.

[@Kaynos]

It's weird the way he pronounce it. Marge-A-Reen. I prononced it : Marg-A-Reen.

[@jax9999]

wonder how it tasted

[@samtani278]

Hardened Whale oil?!

[@VenturiLife]

Whale Oil Be Fooked!

[@Ghargr18]

I wonder what they use in margarine now... I suspect less whale oil and more sunflower oil! I do wonder if they were expecting this video to encourage people to use marg instead of butter...

[@wayinfront1]

No whale oil! Its use is banned in Western countries, certainly not used in making margarine now.

[@ernstschmidt4725]

afaik margarine's mostly palm oil now. it has become much cheaper in the world markets than coconut and much less illegal than whale oil. but to be honest i guess it depends on the country, americans made crisco which is mostly cottonseed and and peanut oil. russians instead have cheap sunflower oil.

[@avada0]

@@ernstschmidt4725 I think sunflower and rapeseed is the most readily available. These are the first ones always mentioned on packaging. Though they always say in changing ratio, so I guess it depends on which the can acquire most cheaply. I think palm and coconut is only added to improve quality. Those are more expensive.

[@Santor-]

I once did process compliance for a Unilever margarine factory in Baltimore, and i can state with certainty they only had one single ingredient as far as fats went, as it came delivered on a single railroad tank car. From that, they made all the different margarines you see in the store; "cant belueve its not butter", country crock, "special margarin", crock-o-sheit and more. Basically ALL the margarines one see in the supermarket in that section, came from that one factory, and from one single basic fat ingredient. 98% of all margarines in a typical US store is from this same one factory. I walked throught the warehouse section and were baffled all the brands i thought of as competing products, not only coming from the same factory, but same single ingredient.

[@rollandjoeseph]

Nothing like a super over processed procedure with paint peeling machinery to make heart stopping butter like substance ... the amount of effort just in machinery is mind boggling..no wonder heart disease is the leading cause of death

[@FarberBob678]

I can’t believe it’s not hardened whale oil!

[@Fridelain]

Ground nut = peanut?

[@davidspencer4893]

Colouring ????

[@opokuprinceasiedu3892]

Oh wow

[@weerobot]

Nice...

[@tommyguns9008]

Emulsifier ? That’s what kills you.

[@Nadhiyalifestyle]

Emusifer name

[@LeftIsBest001]

Lecithin

[@Nadhiyalifestyle]

@@LeftIsBest001 thank you sir

[@tomweickmann6414]

Loves me some whale oil margarine.

[@MargaretUK]

I'm guessing that being a vegan and nut allergies just hadn't been invented back then!

[@drewgehringer7813]

The ration system did make allowances for vegetarians, but apparently not vegans from what I've read: instead of meat vegetarians could get 2 eggs/week and 75g of cheese/week (compared to some meat, 1 egg, and 50g of cheese for the standard ration)

[@tilasole3252]

So margarine is banned in the US to be put in processed foods, because it is thought as unhealthy. But the British people were the healthiest during rationing and margarine was on the menu, helping to ease the hardship of not having butter or animal fats. Dairy farmers have fought against margarine from the beginning. It was even illegal to color the margarine to make it look like butter. Although they artificially coloured butter as well. I wonder if the ban is more about politics or health. You should not be eating butter either if you are that concerned on health or even processed foods for that matter. Not to mention butter is expensive these days.

[@avada0]

USA is a crapheap of the worst of capitalism. The blatant marketing/PR lies, lobbies, pay-offs, self-interests. Of course any dietary recommendations are based on these.

[@fintimwhimbim]

No, you SHOULD be eating butter. Do some research.

[@tilasole3252]

@@fintimwhimbim I'll stick to extra virgin olive oil

[@antpoo]

I love butter. It’s $7.50 a tub here in Australia. But I won’t go anywhere near margarine. Can’t believe my dad made us eat this when I was a child.

[@tilasole3252]

@@antpoo he didn't know any better. Then again some people still do not know or more to the point care, that the food they are eating is not only killing themselves, but helping to destroy the planet faster.

[@Tarik360]

It's all oil?

[@oscargomez4970]

I has always been worse that regular butter. Way more harmful

[@tilasole3252]

Mediterranean diet uses a lot of oil. Healthy oil like olive oil, but oil none the less. The British people were the healthiest they had ever been during the rationing phase. And they were rationed margarine, because butter and animal fats were heavily restricted. So unless ingredients changed over time, something is not adding up. Dairy producers have always been against margarine and it has nothing to do with people's health. Otherwise they would stop selling dairy products to consume. Something "healthier" doesn't make it healthy.

[@Jerrynyc424]

@@tilasole3252 olive oils have zero omega 6’s fats Omega 6’s fats cause inflammation and cancer and heart disease. Plus seed oil is not natural. 100 years ago, they were used to lube machines, now we drink them? They use diesel fuels to clean these seed oils.. I will never drink seed oils

[@Jerrynyc424]

@@tilasole3252 all oils are not created equal.. saturated fats like butter, we can digest... unsatisfied fats like seeds, coat our cells and inflate our bodies...

[@avada0]

And water. Cheap margarines are 20% oil around here. :) But at least they're healthier, because of less saturated fats. And they fit for the purpose, which is to lubricate bread (which is also not natural).

[@LiftOffLife]

Engine oil.

[@GabGotti3]

Food in Britain is closer to food in the States rather than Continental Europe. Very very low regulations.

[@richardlove4287]

And this was the beginning of the cancer epidemic.

[@ابوعلي-ظ9ع5ح]

🌇🏚️🎩💐⚖️🧚💙💚

[@buxvan]

Whale oil Beef Oct.

[@mastad7876]

植物油って言ってるけど。

[@Highland_Moo]

Foul stuff. Good for greasing stiff wheel nuts, but not for eating. Butter is far healthier - natural and tastes heavenly.

[@avada0]

It isn't, it's just saturated fat, of no nutritional value other than energy. And it's main use is to make bread more slippery. Also neither butter (or margarin), nor bread are part of the natural human diet. Obviously nothing made from milk that's supposed to be consumed by calves are even candidates. Nor anything cereal based, which humans are physiologically incapable of consuming, and even after much processing it rots our teeth away.

[@Subvenio]

Agreed, I always ask for no butter when I get a bacon sandwich at Greggs or any cafe because 95% of the time it ain’t butter.

[@romansmusic09]

All of the factor migrants are dead now This is life

[@mindjob]

Cleanliness? Next time they should wear gloves

[@stefanspett7790]

Don´t you know there's a war on!

[@ronfisher4965]

Then they tell us it’s good for eating! WOW!

[@woodstocknun]

how to make 'death'

[@craigmignone2863]

People actually ate that so the Soviets could oil their boots with butter while FDR and Churchill gave them half of Europe.....

[@Fridelain]

Bare hands on the margarine before packing... All that fecal bacteria 🤢🤮

[@antpoo]

Only if he did a messy wipe and didn’t wash his hands. Little bit of fecal material. 😋

[@markward6076]

Whale 🐳 oil ! Are you kidding me? I can't think of anything more inhumane as to harvest Whale oil 🛢 for margarine. Humans are some of the worst things that have ever happened to this world.

[@mercyln6646]

The beginning of prosperity but also of doom in our health...over processed mass produced foods

[@squirrelcovers6340]

I can't believe people eat that garbage.

[@thammachonhawsiwalai3125]

Yeah lol

[@tilasole3252]

The British people were the healthiest they had ever been during the rationing phase. And they were rationed margarine, because butter and animal fats were heavily restricted. So unless ingredients changed over time, something is not adding up. Dairy producers have always been against margarine and it has nothing to do with people's health. Otherwise they would stop selling dairy products to consume. Something "healthier" doesn't make it healthy.

[@Jerrynyc424]

@@tilasole3252 stick to your margarine that uses diesel and acetone to extract the oil from these seeds and has 17 steps. You’re margarine Is made from seed oils... it’s a nasty business extracting these oils. It the same steps like gasoline. You got blast margarine with hydrogen too. I’ll stick to My butter.. ONE ingredient AND I can make it at HOME.

[@tilasole3252]

@@Jerrynyc424 again, the British people were better off eating less butter and more margarine. I eat neither butter nor margarine so I am set either way.

[@avada0]

Butter. Yeah, it's sad.

[@martincook318]

Had I lived in those days I would sooner starve than eat that Muck:as it Probably was as disgusting as sounds

[@wilsonflood4393]

Oh, would ye big man?

[@klasstenmo2726]

Pure poison!